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WR Mike Williams, NYJ (1 Viewer)
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Shane Falco
Footballguy
3rd time is a charm?
Brandon Will
Footballguy
I have 2 picks in the top 4 this year. Seriously considering Dalvin Cook and Mike Williams.
Outside Mike Williams who do you see that's close? Corey Davis? JuJu?
Outside Mike Williams who do you see that's close? Corey Davis? JuJu?
coachbobbyfinstock
Footballguy
Dural and Dupree from LSU have to be up there, though im not sure either is a better prospect.
Sutton from SMU as well.
Sutton from SMU as well.
coachbobbyfinstock
Footballguy
forgot about John Ross from Washington as well.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Both have been disappointing this year neither lived up to expectations. Could have been do to a mediocre QB!?!?!?
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I have Mike Williams and JuJu on my Devy squad. I would trade either for Davis.
Cook and Davis is the answer here.
Tex
Brandon Will
Footballguy
Would you also consider which ever WR goes to Tennessee? Mariota needs a WR1
Far from ideal. He has #1 WR talent. Stinkston is locked in on Mike Evans. He doesn't show much ability to look elsewhere as we can see from the # of targets Evans gets. It would require an injury to make him worth a 1st round FF pick. It would be the same as if he went to ATL.
That and Fournette. They are a running team. Only twice did the attempt 30 passes.
Yes because the #1 is actually the TE and he's really old.
Brandon Will
Footballguy
Some saying he's a hybrid of Watkins, Hopkins, Bryant. Some say he isn't all that. Having 2 top 4 picks this year, rebuilding, I am not sure what to do.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
steelers1080
Footballguy
If he has a good showing against Bama, that would probably cement him as the #1 WR.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
So they are saying he will be supremely talented but will have Watkins propensity to get hurt and Bryant's penchant for off field issues?
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Weak school, weak schedule, weak conference. In 2016, of the 3 big 10 schools he faced he had less than 100 yards receiving. In 2015 he had a 3 game stretch where the most yards he had was 52 in any one game and only one of those schools were big 10 (OSU). However, he did have 154 yards against MSU in the opener. In 2014 he had less than 50 yards against the only Big 10 school he faced (Purdue). Now he could be like Jerry Rice from Miss Valley St, but these are red flags IMO and the reason why I would take Mike Williams over Davis. I don't see him dominating against better competition for the most part and in most cases he flat out was bad or average against good Big 10 competition.BigTex said:
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Aznflyer14
Footballguy
I think this is a bit flawed argument. Let wait until each prospect completes the NFL combine and what team being drafted into. I still think Corey Davis is the best WR propsect. I'm sure he had faced double (or even triple) coverage and still produced last year. While MIke Williams is on a very talent team with great supporting cast, leading by arguably one of top 5 QBs in Power 5 conferences.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Corey Davis faced inferior competition and when he did face better competition he didn't fare well in 3 years except in one game against Mich St. That isn't a flawed argument in my book. While CD may be talented, so is Mike Williams and in my book has a better resume, even after a horrible injury two years ago.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Davis plays angry like T.O but with a better attitude and better hands. I already have Williams and was just curious as to why you'd take Williams over Davis. I don't totally agree with it but that's why we play this game.
Tex
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Can you unpack this for me? Looking at his game logs I do not see any games where his production is particularly egregious
Opp
Rec
Yds
TDs
2016
Northwestern
7
70
0
Illinois
4
97
0
Wisconsin
6
73
1
2015
Michigan State
10
154
1
Ohio State
6
42
0
2014
Purdue
4
46
1
Air Force
8
176
3
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Brandon Will
Footballguy
No i believe they were talking about his on field football skillsFaust said:
JohnnyU
Footballguy
His games against good competition over 3 years of games (except for the MSU game, which I already pointed out), did not particularly look that great and did look very pedestrian. He dominated weak teams to amass his stats. While Mike Williams played against better competition and I do put value on that.
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Milkman
Footballguy
Last 7 games Mike Williams played with passing yards allowed ranking and the game he had against them
NC State - 92nd /12-146-1
Florida State - 64th/7-70
Syracuse - 114th/6-106-1
Pittsburgh - 122nd/15-202-1
Wake Forest - 42nd/6-58-1
South Carolina - 30th/6-100-3
Virgina Tech - 38th/5-57
Mike Williams averaged 8-105-1 his last 7 games. He definitely surged down the stretch.
Don't have an overall opinion on him yet. I will say that my initial reaction to watching some plays in the Florida State game on Draft Breakdown is Williams looks a little slow off the line and he should have had 8-77-1 in the game because Watson missed him on a 7 yard TD. I need to see him at the combine to see what's under the hood though because he might just be a long strider that looks a little slow but puts up a good 40 time. Anything in the 4.5's is fine.
NC State - 92nd /12-146-1
Florida State - 64th/7-70
Syracuse - 114th/6-106-1
Pittsburgh - 122nd/15-202-1
Wake Forest - 42nd/6-58-1
South Carolina - 30th/6-100-3
Virgina Tech - 38th/5-57
Mike Williams averaged 8-105-1 his last 7 games. He definitely surged down the stretch.
Don't have an overall opinion on him yet. I will say that my initial reaction to watching some plays in the Florida State game on Draft Breakdown is Williams looks a little slow off the line and he should have had 8-77-1 in the game because Watson missed him on a 7 yard TD. I need to see him at the combine to see what's under the hood though because he might just be a long strider that looks a little slow but puts up a good 40 time. Anything in the 4.5's is fine.
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DropKick
Footballguy
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not but we had to qualify the first Mike Williams as "Tampa Mike Williams". I don't know if I can handle "the second Tampa Mike".
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I am not advocating Davis over Williams but your response "did not particularly look that great and did look very pedestrian" seems subjective looking at the stats. Maybe a little context is needed here. I play in ppr format and the only game I see that looks pedestrian is the game against Ohio St, which is completely understandable given the talent disparity.
The danger of using level of competition as a main criteria is that you will then miss on players like Randy Moss, David Johnson or Carson Wentz. I prefer to wait until I see their combine numbers and who drafts nthem. For example, say that Davis and Williams have relatively similar combine numbers but Williams goes to the 9ers and Davis goes to the Eagles. Who would you prefer?
Brandon Will
Footballguy
I'm liking Davis. Hoping Davis goes to Tennessee
ZWK
Footballguy
From 2014-16, Corey Davis played 10 games against opponents that had an above average defense (according to DSRS). Mike Williams played 19. On average, Davis's 10 opponents were 5.9 ppg better than average in points allowed and Williams's 19 opponents were 5.5 ppg better than average. Their average statline in those games:
Corey Davis: 6.3/90.7/1.0
Mike Williams: 5.4/83.9/0.6
Corey Davis
SRS Year Opponent Rec Yd TD
14.28 2015 Ohio State 6 42 0
13.18 2016 Wisconsin 6 73 1
10.87 2015 Michigan State 10 154 1
6.32 2015 Toledo 6 139 2
4.99 2016 Northwestern 7 70 0
3.29 2015 Central Michigan 6 45 1
3.14 2015 Georgia Southern 2 16 0
1.38 2016 Ohio 8 144 1
0.99 2014 Air Force 8 176 3
0.54 2015 Ohio 4 48 1
Mike Williams
SRS Year Opponent Rec Yd TD
15.02 2016 Ohio State 6 96 0
12.91 2016 Auburn 9 174 0
7.96 2014 Georgia 3 88 0
7.47 2016 Boston College 2 59 1
6.68 2016 North Carolina State 12 146 1
6.64 2016 Virginia Tech 5 57 0
5.41 2016 Florida State 7 70 0
4.92 2016 Wake Forest 6 58 1
4.90 2016 South Carolina 6 100 3
4.79 2014 Louisville 1 23 0
4.23 2014 Oklahoma 9 112 1
3.90 2014 Florida State 2 72 0
3.89 2014 Boston College 8 128 0
3.88 2014 Syracuse 5 72 0
3.73 2016 Georgia Tech 6 61 1
2.95 2016 Louisville 5 70 1
2.61 2014 North Carolina State 6 155 2
2.37 2016 Troy 2 24 0
0.86 2014 Wake Forest 3 29 0
Corey Davis: 6.3/90.7/1.0
Mike Williams: 5.4/83.9/0.6
Corey Davis
SRS Year Opponent Rec Yd TD
14.28 2015 Ohio State 6 42 0
13.18 2016 Wisconsin 6 73 1
10.87 2015 Michigan State 10 154 1
6.32 2015 Toledo 6 139 2
4.99 2016 Northwestern 7 70 0
3.29 2015 Central Michigan 6 45 1
3.14 2015 Georgia Southern 2 16 0
1.38 2016 Ohio 8 144 1
0.99 2014 Air Force 8 176 3
0.54 2015 Ohio 4 48 1
Mike Williams
SRS Year Opponent Rec Yd TD
15.02 2016 Ohio State 6 96 0
12.91 2016 Auburn 9 174 0
7.96 2014 Georgia 3 88 0
7.47 2016 Boston College 2 59 1
6.68 2016 North Carolina State 12 146 1
6.64 2016 Virginia Tech 5 57 0
5.41 2016 Florida State 7 70 0
4.92 2016 Wake Forest 6 58 1
4.90 2016 South Carolina 6 100 3
4.79 2014 Louisville 1 23 0
4.23 2014 Oklahoma 9 112 1
3.90 2014 Florida State 2 72 0
3.89 2014 Boston College 8 128 0
3.88 2014 Syracuse 5 72 0
3.73 2016 Georgia Tech 6 61 1
2.95 2016 Louisville 5 70 1
2.61 2014 North Carolina State 6 155 2
2.37 2016 Troy 2 24 0
0.86 2014 Wake Forest 3 29 0
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
The competition arguments can really twist things around if you're not careful. They have merit, but you have to be careful not to dig too deep, to the point where you're looking past the skill-set and forgetting that this is all about projecting traits to the NFL.
Remember that the biggest knock on OBJ was his production vs. SEC schools, and that he'd fade against the best competition.
Remember that the biggest knock on OBJ was his production vs. SEC schools, and that he'd fade against the best competition.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
It was somewhat tongue in cheek. Tampa fans wanted the original Big Mike when he came out. Then we had Tampa Mike who looked like a steal until the nose candy did him in.
3rd time is a charm?
Personally, I prefer Corey Davis, but if Jason Licht likes Clemson Mike then I'm on board. I can get past the name thing. Tampa needs a WR in the worst way, but so do several teams picking in front of them. I keep seeing Ross mocked to them. No thanks.
I kind of hope they just sign Alshon.
Brandon Will
Footballguy
Ended up having 1.1, 1.2, 1.6, 1.7 & 13
Now what lol Fournette/Cook? Or trade down? Both 3&4 teams need a RB bad.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Brandon Will
Footballguy
Thanks - seems the right choice. I also have Henry waiting in the wings... needing WRS bad
Still draft Fournette and Cook.
RBs tend to start producing faster than WRs, so if your WR need remains unfilled, you'll be able to flip one for a proven WR much quicker than you'd be able to flip Williams or Davis for a proven RB next season.
