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I took it as no one in the NFL should be surprised if OBJ is picked before Evans. That statement could be read about 4 different ways. Vic was smart, since being right is the most important thing and he's covering his bases with that tweet.
The original comment was:
Vic Tafur added the ">> should be" comment at the end of the original posting on Twitter.
He'll be their #1 receiver... Vick will be throwing him the ball. Absolutely not.
Geno is the proclaimed starter in NYJ, not Vick. It shouldn't matter much but thought I'd say it.
These players have additional value because of what they offer as kick returners. This give additional value to players like Beckham, Watkins, Cooks, Dri Archer for NFL teams but depending on your scoring rules that may or may not add value for these players in fantasy. It is part of my consideration for Beckham, Watkins and Cooks though. I do not see Archer as being close to them as WR but does have value because of his return potential. I think he is a closer prospect to Ginn (worst case) or Austin (best case).
Yeah I suppose in some leagues you might prefer your top WR to not be involved on kicking plays.
What does this even mean? Sanchez was the starter until he got hurt, then he wasn't the starter anymore.
I'm saying Sanchise wasn't proclaimed the starter from the end of the '12 season, after Geno was drafted, and up until the preseason game where he was hurt. He was playing better (see: less worse) than Geno all preseason, but he wasn't hard to beat. Sanchise was certainly going to start the season as the starter, but IIRC he was never named the starting QB.
I'm a homer that doesn't even particularly like Geno Smith (or at least I'm not willing to think the team is set at QB), but I'm not sure why people want to assume that a young QB couldn't get better. I know I'm replying to your post, and that you didn't actually say that, but making a general statement towards the line of thinking that a WR automatically loses value if he goes to the Jets. The same can be said about Buffalo - some people think way too short term about their rookie picks. Things change quickly in the NFL - for all we know Geno Smith or EJ Manuel will be talked about as top 5 dynasty QBs by the end of next season.
I agree totally with your first sentence and have said so myself in another thread a few weeks back. I want to love Cooks but his tape is "meh" to me. His production and combine metrics scream future stud WR but he just doesn't seem very fluid and I don't see exceptional field vision or moves. He seems like purely a straight liner which concerns me. This is probably one of those players who I will miss out on and regret but my eyes are right most of the time and my eyes don't see "special"on the field.
teams to be honest. I don't see Beckham doing a ton as a rookie that's for sure.
That's pretty much how I feel. I really like Beckham but I just don't know what to make of the Giants landing spot. I think Eli will continue to digress and he is the epitome of "great talent, meh situation" to me.I thought all of the wideouts went to
I know this is a Beckham thread, but what makes youI thought all of the wideouts went to
about Cooks to New Orleans?
If Beckham is being brought in to replace Nicks................I like where he's going but we'll see how the other players and positions turn out.That's pretty much how I feel. I really like Beckham but I just don't know what to make of the Giants landing spot. I think Eli will continue to digress and he is the epitome of "great talent, meh situation" to me.I thought all of the wideouts went to
that's the problem when judging receivers on speed alone. esp a track guy like ginn that probably didn't even know what a Receiver was because he could never quite grasp the concept. That's like butter with no peanut butter, he's a great example of speed and football skill... Speed helps but it sure isn't the end all be all.. As for Tavon he is a far better wr then Ginn, I would liken him more towards Desean/harvin then Ginn. He was also a rook last year so way to early to start saying the Tavon pick was garbage.
215 catches his last two years in college for Tavon vs. 110 for Ginn.
Doubtful, if I had to bet I think OBJ is going to come in and start directly opposite of Cruz. I'm not actually sure it takes 1-2 poor games from Randle to be overtaken by OBJ. I think all it will take is a really good camp by OBJ.
I agree completely. Everything they are saying and doing this off-season suggests they are not happy with Randle. OBJ will start week one.
It's lack of context comments like this from the press that tells me they still don't get FF.
A rookie wide receiver doesn't often produce enough to serve as a reliable start in fantasy, according to history. They often have very up and down seasons posing a great risk of getting you tons of points on your bench but few when you actually start them. Cordarrelle Patteson and Tavon Austin may have helped you last year if you had known exactly when to put them in - but most fantasy players probably didn't.
Go read some of the posts in the rookie WR thread right below this one. History may tell us rookies don't produce consistently, but the last 5 years show us most of the rookies taken in the 1st round produce at a low end WR3 to WR2 values.
So I looked at the thread, noticing mediocrity outside of AJ Green and Julio Jones. For all of those receivers in your post #10, compare the first year to the second year. Almost all of them improved significantly. Case in point, last season you were better off with second year guys Michael Floyd and and Kendall Wright than with any of the rookies.
