Ray Barboni
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Yep, 2.4 was were I got him - middle of June was our draft.Got him 2.2 a few weeks ago.
First half of round 2 sounds fairly typical.
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Yep, 2.4 was were I got him - middle of June was our draft.Got him 2.2 a few weeks ago.
First half of round 2 sounds fairly typical.
So Foster for free. Nice.I got him yesterday in a trade. Gave up Tevin Coleman & Markus Wheaton for Arian Foster/Phillip Dorsett & a 2016 2nd rd pick. Its redemption for passing on him in my rookie dr
aft when I took David Johnson.
At first Mike Adams wasn’t buying. Fast? That’s all anyone talked about with this kid. He’s fast. Really fast. But Adams knows fast. He’s been an NFL safety for 11 years. He practices against T.Y. Hilton every day. This kid, this rookie out of Miami, that everyone was gushing over? Nothing special, Adams figured. Nothing he hadn’t seen before.
“When I first saw him on tape, I was like, ‘No, he’s not that fast,’” Adams said. “I honestly said that.”
Then he saw Phillip Dorsett run through a drill at practice. Then he changed his mind.
“I was like…” Adams says. Then he tells you turn off your recorder.
“When I saw him open up, I said, ‘(Expletive)!’ ”
Now Adams buys it. Now he sees the Colts’ first-round pick churning out that jaw-dropping, 4.2 speed every day in training camp. It’s what makes Phillip Dorsett another tantalizing talent in an already well-stocked offensive cupboard. As Dorsett likes to say, you can’t teach speed.
A sobering reminder: Dorsett is just a week into his NFL career. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
But talent is talent. All the wide receiver out of Miami has done since arriving in May as the Colts’ somewhat-stunning first-round pick (defensive line, anyone?) is impress. He impressed in rookie camp. He impressed in minicamp. Now he’s impressing in training camp.
Much like the University of Miami brethren he worked out with in the offseason, Andre Johnson and Frank Gore, Dorsett is a man of few words. (Wise move, rookie.) His play speaks louder. His speed speaks louder. He has future star written all over him.
“You have to really focus on him to see him,” Colts offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton says of Dorsett. “Because a lot of times he’s running so fast it’s hard to keep up with.”
Take Saturday afternoon. After slipping past cornerback D’Joun Smith and safety Dwight Lowery, Dorsett swiped a 60-yard bomb from quarterback Andrew Luck out of the sky, hauling in the football just over his shoulder. Colts fans are bound to see one or two — or three or four — of those types of plays this season. Count on it.
Why? It’s darn near impossible for a defender to keep Dorsett in front of him.
“He can fly,” defensive coordinator Greg Manusky said. “He can take the top off defenses.”
Adams knows. He saw that catch.
“The first thing I said was, ‘He’s ready. He’s arrived,’ ” Adams said.
This is Week 1, remember.
Adding Dorsett’s skill set to this Colts’ offense — tops in the league last year in passing yards — is akin to a car collector adding a Lamborghini to a garage that already includes a Maserati, a Porsche and two Bentleys. You can never have too many toys, it seems.
But painting Dorsett as T.Y. Hilton 2.0 — both are 5-9, 180-pound South Florida boys who can run like the wind — is ambitious at this stage. Hilton has earned his reputation as one of the league’s top wideouts. He’s a Pro Bowler with more receiving yards (3,289) in his first three seasons than any player in Colts history. That’s more than Marvin Harrison. That’s more than Reggie Wayne. That tells you something.
Dorsett, meanwhile, has yet to play an NFL game.
And to hear Adams tell it, there are differences in their game, subtle as they may be. He starts with their speed.
“When T.Y. runs fast, you can see it,” Adams said. “When Phillip runs, you can’t really see it. It’s a smooth fast. It’s effortless. It’s gliding. The way he gets out of his breaks, it’s so smooth. I haven’t seen that in a long time. I haven’t seen guys run routes like him in a while. I can’t even describe it.”
Dorsett’s speed being what it is — rare — he still has to learn the Colts’ playbook. He still has to master the complexities that come with the different receiver positions (a must in Hamilton’s system). He considers himself lucky, then, that he was drafted into a wide receiver’s room that already included the likes of Andre Johnson (13,597 career yards to his name), Hilton (a budding star) and Donte Moncrief (who is coming off a promising rookie campaign). Dorsett just makes them deeper.
He has listened and he has learned. He takes notes from Hilton (“How to be crafty out there,” Dorsett says) and from Johnson (“The way to work.”) He’ll undoubtedly absorb more as the seasons wear on.
There’s also Luck, now more veteran than NFL youngster. Dorsett’s good fortune took him from catching passes from a freshman quarterback his senior year at Miami to Indianapolis, home to a three-time Pro Bowler and the QB free agents are drooling to play with.
“Night and day,” Dorsett said, comparing the two. “Andrew has total control of the offense. He helps you. Doesn’t get on you too hard. If you mess up, he’ll correct you and you’ll get it right after practice.”
So far in training camp Hamilton has lined up Dorsett all over the offense — a peek into just how creative the coordinator might be with his new Lamborghini. While Dorsett’s skillset screams slot position (name a linebacker than can keep up with him), the Colts’ formations will be so fluid with personnel he could line up in any of three or four spots come Sundays.
What Dorsett must do now, amidst the dog days of training camp, is prove to Luck he knows where to be.
“He’s a guy that our quarterback is starting to trust,” Hamilton said. “The more and more reps that he gets with Andrew, the more he will be able to contribute in our offense.”
It’s a slow process for most rookies. Phillip Dorsett just likes doing things faster.
LITTLE FEET, BIG SHOES
It’s unlikely given the Colts’ talent at receiver but Phillip Dorsett has the opportunity to follow in impressive (if small) footsteps. Since the Colts moved to Indianapolis in 1984, they have produced three of the 10 most successful rookie receivers 6-feet, 190 pounds or smaller:
Name, Year, Team, Rec, Yards, TDs
Bill Brooks, 1986, Ind, 65, 1,132, 8
Ernest Givins, 1986, Hou, 61, 1,062, 3
Eddie Royal, 2008, Den, 91, 980, 5
Eddie Brown, 1985, Cin, 53, 942, 8
Gary Clark, 1985, Was, 72, 926, 5
DeSean Jackson, 2008, Phi, 62, 912, 2
Anthony Armstrong, 2010, Was, 44, 871, 3
T.Y. Hilton, 2012, Ind, 50, 861, 7
Louis Lipps, 1984, Pit, 45, 860, 9
Marvin Harrison, 1996, Ind, 64, 836, 8
MFL adp data from just the month of August and he's going 18th, behind both QBs and Eric Kendricks. Given that non-IDP leagues are included, there's a decent chance Stephone Anthony (22nd) and Vic Beasley (24th) are going ahead of him as well.Is going in the 2nd round of dynasty drafts? If yes, that's hard to believe. I don't care who is in front of him because he was totally underutilized at Miami. He's going to be a star!
I tried to warn you... This kids a blur. Silly fast.Wow, he's so fast you can't see him?
Moncrief is going to be the odd man out. Maybe next year, but by 2017. It will be Dorsett and Hilton as the starters and Carter will be the 3rd receiver.So who is he pushing to the bench?
Don't you dare Soulfly. I am heavily invested in this kid.Good lord this kid is gonna be special.
This is something he will learn with time. Cosel said it best last week when he noted, "Dorsett plays to his speed." He's a difference maker and I look forward to the conversation surrounding him this time next year.Kids gotta learn to create space on the sideline for his 9 route. CB was playing clear outside technique and he never even tried to press his inside shoulder or move him form that spot. Just tried to run staging around him to the sideline and got pinched, perfectly, by the CB.
He should take note from Miles Austin who did it perfect just a few drives later. You can't just run by guys in the NFL even with all that speed.
He's looks pretty dang good still.
I was on the clock in a rookie draft today with the 2.02 (traded down from the 2.12). Funchess (who I really like) and Dorsett were still on the board. I ended up trading the 2.09 and 2.12 for the 2.03 and a 2016 3rd. Ended up taking Funchess at 2.02 and Dorsett at 2.03. Feel real good about it. I love these late drafts. Last year I drafted Evans at the 1.04 and OBJ at 2.04. I went from finishing 9th in 2013 to winning the league in 2014. Draft below.Is going in the 2nd round of dynasty drafts? If yes, that's hard to believe. I don't care who is in front of him because he was totally underutilized at Miami. He's going to be a star!
I assume the White pick was made after his surgery announcement?I was on the clock in a rookie draft today with the 2.02 (traded down from the 2.12). Funchess (who I really like) and Dorsett were still on the board. I ended up trading the 2.09 and 2.12 for the 2.03 and a 2016 3rd. Ended up taking Funchess at 2.02 and Dorsett at 2.03. Feel real good about it. I love these late drafts. Last year I drafted Evans at the 1.04 and OBJ at 2.04. I went from finishing 9th in 2013 to winning the league in 2014. Draft below.1.01 Gordon, Melvin SDC RBIs going in the 2nd round of dynasty drafts? If yes, that's hard to believe. I don't care who is in front of him because he was totally underutilized at Miami. He's going to be a star!
1.02 Cooper, Amari OAK WR
1.03 Gurley, Todd STL RB
1.04 Abdullah, Ameer DET RB
1.05 Agholor, Nelson PHI
1.06 White, Kevin CHI WR
1.07 Yeldon, T.J. JAC RB
1.08 Parker, DeVante MIA WR
1.09 Coleman, Tevin ATL RB
1.10 Perriman, Breshad BAL WR
1.11 Green-Beckham, Dorial TEN WR
1.12 Johnson, Duke CLE RB
2.01 Johnson, David ARI RB
2.02 Funchess, Devin CAR WR
2.03 Dorsett, Phillip IND WR
2.04 Mariota, Marcus TEN QB
And Gordon went first? Interesting.Yes. The draft started yesterday.
Shocked me too. And David Johnson going at 2.01.And Gordon went first? Interesting.Yes. The draft started yesterday.
Very good point. He's moving up my rookie draft boards into that mid 1st if the next two preseason games are similar to yesterday.Evan Silva @evansilva 7h7 hours ago
What stood out to me in Phillip Dorsett's preseason debut was his route diversity. Wasnt just out there running 9s. There's your #Colts WR3.
He was running more than 9 routes, but that doesn't mean he was running his routes well. Heck, he didn't even run his 9 route well. He's got a lot of polish to put on but he looks the part IMO.Very good point. He's moving up my rookie draft boards into that mid 1st if the next two preseason games are similar to yesterday.Evan Silva @evansilva 7h7 hours ago
What stood out to me in Phillip Dorsett's preseason debut was his route diversity. Wasnt just out there running 9s. There's your #Colts WR3.
He wasn't running crisp routes but he still was producing which bodes well especially for a rookie.He was running more than 9 routes, but that doesn't mean he was running his routes well. Heck, he didn't even run his 9 route well.He's got a lot of polish to put on but he looks the part IMO.Very good point. He's moving up my rookie draft boards into that mid 1st if the next two preseason games are similar to yesterday.Evan Silva @evansilva 7h7 hours ago
What stood out to me in Phillip Dorsett's preseason debut was his route diversity. Wasnt just out there running 9s. There's your #Colts WR3.
Exactly. If you put him in the category that he wasn't running good routes then I'd hate to see what he does when running crisp routes and he polishes his game. 4 for 51 isn't bad for first action.He wasn't running crisp routes but he still was producing which bodes well especially for a rookie.He was running more than 9 routes, but that doesn't mean he was running his routes well. Heck, he didn't even run his 9 route well.He's got a lot of polish to put on but he looks the part IMO.Very good point. He's moving up my rookie draft boards into that mid 1st if the next two preseason games are similar to yesterday.Evan Silva @evansilva 7h7 hours ago
What stood out to me in Phillip Dorsett's preseason debut was his route diversity. Wasnt just out there running 9s. There's your #Colts WR3.
This year he could produce 'decent' numbers while learning on the job. Next year he could really take off.
Jesus. That's around where John Brown, a similar prospect that was almost three years older, drafted multiple rounds later, and into a much worse situation, was drafted last year in rookie drafts.Got him at 3.11 in our draft back in early May. It's heavy IDP scoring so there were more players taken than average leagues but still a great deal
I was fortunate enough to see him live at the combine. I thought his routes weren't perfect, but his shiftiness made up for it. He seemed to catch everything and I could easily see him running crossing routes or going deep with ease. If Welker or Edelman can do it, I say Dorsett can do it but faster.
Same here. I expect big things in 2016 and beyond
Happily drafted Dorsett at 16 overall yesterday in my non-ppr dyno. Took him over Funchess, Lockett, and Strong.
dorsett and luck were FLYING in preseason1 out of 6 targets?
I realize most were deeper routes and that wasn't working against the Jets, but I've read a couple places this dude is just lost. Not on the same page as Luck and not running good routes ATM.
ORLYdorsett and luck were FLYING in preseason1 out of 6 targets?
I realize most were deeper routes and that wasn't working against the Jets, but I've read a couple places this dude is just lost. Not on the same page as Luck and not running good routes ATM.
doubt that they're "lost"
71 Phillip Dorsett IND WR 7 72 10.3 24.0 20 0
Phillip Dorsett caught 2-of-3 targets for seven yards in the Colts' Week 4 win over the Jaguars.
Dorsett was limited to four-wide sets, but outplayed Andre Johnson for the second straight week. The Colts didnt attempt any passes downfield with Matt Hasselbeck starting. Dorsett should push for a bigger role if Johnson's struggles continue. With Andrew Luck's status up in the air, Dorsett isn't a Week 5 fantasy option.
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