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WR Randall Cobb: Really worth a first round pick? (1 Viewer)

SSOG - great points all around, excellent post. My league mates have been debating talent vs opportunity the past couple weeks, and you've done a great job of illustrating why talent matters AND how to properly set expectations for that talent.

One piece that I think you've missed (or underplayed) - whether intentionally or unintentionally - is "relative acquisition cost." The cost to acquire Cobb right now (particularly if he's a 1st rd pick) is quite high vs near-term expectations for performance. Not all Cobb owners will have the same long-term perspective....I would argue that most FF GMs are very near-term focused.....so a smart GM can pass up Cobb this year, select someone else who is more likely to produce (Greg Little for example?), and then trade for Cobb later this year when his owner is disappointed by lack of production.

In other words, his "relative acquisition cost" will be lower later this year than it is today. Probably by a meaningful amount.

Just food for thought. Again, thanks for a great post.
I think you would find few people that would take him over Little. Looks like eak would, but he is probably in the minority. In my 3 rookie drafts he went earliest at the 9th pick and as late as the 16th. Very few picks in that range will pan out anyway, so usually best IMO to just pick the best player in that range, without putting too much weight on situation. Certainly Little would rarely be found in that range.
FWIW, I decided right before the draft that I loved Cobb and ranked him 6th on my board so I traded the 4th pick for the 6th and 8th picks. I liked Little as well and once I saw how hyped he was immediately post draft, I decided to take him 6th in my rookie draft and grab Cobb 8th. Worked out well. Sometimes you draft differently looking at ADP than you do looking purely at your own rankings. Not sure I can describe why I fell for Cobb. Just a combination of versatility, maturity and excellence on tape. I agree that he may be a guy who is better as an NFL player than a fantasy player. However if in 3 years he turns out to be the 8th best WR but the 13th best fantasy WR, I think I'll still be pretty happy.

 
Anybody listen to Nathan Zegura's "Fantasy Consultant" show on Sirius/XM? He interviewed a Packers beat writer today (forgot his name, sorry) and the guy said that in 14 years of covering the team, Cobb is easily the most amazing rookie he's seen. He made jaw-dropping plays in camp day after day, as if he is 6-4 instead of being 5-10. That PLUS having electric moves.

 
Can't believe I'll be able to start him this year. There's no way they keep this toy in the box.
Ehhhhh... he's obviously very talented, but there are too many chefs in this kitchen.There will be weeks where he doesn't even show up on the stat sheet. I'll let the other guys in my league get into a bidding war for him.

 
He is no revelation to many diehard UK football fans. I assume a few were like me and stashed him on our rosters as a late round flyer. C-A-T-S CATS CATS CATS!!!!! :D :D

 
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I meant as a fill in or wr3. But they have so many weapons, you're right he won't be consistent. I think you'll be able to say that about most of the gb receivers

 
Sitting at the top of the WW.... worth losing WW position to snag him?
Maybe at best. Talent undeniable but so is gb receiving depth. No slouches in front of him.
James Jones is only one notch above a slouch. There is no way Jones holds Cobb off for long. And though Driver can still play, he is really getting old. Nelson is ideally a slot receiver. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cobb starting by the end of the year. In dynasty, no one is prying Cobb from my hands.
 
Sitting at the top of the WW.... worth losing WW position to snag him?
Maybe at best. Talent undeniable but so is gb receiving depth. No slouches in front of him.
James Jones is only one notch above a slouch. There is no way Jones holds Cobb off for long. And though Driver can still play, he is really getting old. Nelson is ideally a slot receiver. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cobb starting by the end of the year. In dynasty, no one is prying Cobb from my hands.
And what makes you say that?
 
Anybody listen to Nathan Zegura's "Fantasy Consultant" show on Sirius/XM? He interviewed a Packers beat writer today (forgot his name, sorry) and the guy said that in 14 years of covering the team, Cobb is easily the most amazing rookie he's seen. He made jaw-dropping plays in camp day after day, as if he is 6-4 instead of being 5-10. That PLUS having electric moves.
We've heard nothing like this before today.................at least I didn't and I keep up with the rooks fairly well. :mellow:
 
Anybody listen to Nathan Zegura's "Fantasy Consultant" show on Sirius/XM? He interviewed a Packers beat writer today (forgot his name, sorry) and the guy said that in 14 years of covering the team, Cobb is easily the most amazing rookie he's seen. He made jaw-dropping plays in camp day after day, as if he is 6-4 instead of being 5-10. That PLUS having electric moves.
We've heard nothing like this before today.................at least I didn't and I keep up with the rooks fairly well. :mellow:
I had heard stories similar to this. There was consistent positive news about Cobb all camp.
 
Anybody listen to Nathan Zegura's "Fantasy Consultant" show on Sirius/XM? He interviewed a Packers beat writer today (forgot his name, sorry) and the guy said that in 14 years of covering the team, Cobb is easily the most amazing rookie he's seen. He made jaw-dropping plays in camp day after day, as if he is 6-4 instead of being 5-10. That PLUS having electric moves.
We've heard nothing like this before today.................at least I didn't and I keep up with the rooks fairly well. :mellow:
I had heard stories similar to this. There was consistent positive news about Cobb all camp.
I think BigTex was clowning me. I didn't read the first page of the thread, so apologies if that kind of praise had already been noted.
 
James Jones is only one notch above a slouch. There is no way Jones holds Cobb off for long. And though Driver can still play, he is really getting old. Nelson is ideally a slot receiver. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cobb starting by the end of the year. In dynasty, no one is prying Cobb from my hands.
Agree with most of the above. But to be clear, Cobb is the slot receiver. He should eventually replace Driver in the slot, not Nelson.
 
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Anybody listen to Nathan Zegura's "Fantasy Consultant" show on Sirius/XM? He interviewed a Packers beat writer today (forgot his name, sorry) and the guy said that in 14 years of covering the team, Cobb is easily the most amazing rookie he's seen. He made jaw-dropping plays in camp day after day, as if he is 6-4 instead of being 5-10. That PLUS having electric moves.
We've heard nothing like this before today.................at least I didn't and I keep up with the rooks fairly well. :mellow:
I think you're being sarcastic but it's a swing and a miss on me this time BT.I love Cobb. Tonight was step one. Good luck to him beating out the WRs ahead of him. It seems almost impossible, but I don't feel comfy doubting Cobb. RN re 5-10 6-4 comment, if Cobb runs to a spot and has to wait (too long) on occasion his explosive leap has knocked some DBs helmets back as they were towering over him, he just busted through like a rocket shedding it's takeoff ground assembly. It's kinda funny when ya see it.
 
Sitting at the top of the WW.... worth losing WW position to snag him?
Maybe at best. Talent undeniable but so is gb receiving depth. No slouches in front of him.
James Jones is only one notch above a slouch. There is no way Jones holds Cobb off for long. And though Driver can still play, he is really getting old. Nelson is ideally a slot receiver. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cobb starting by the end of the year. In dynasty, no one is prying Cobb from my hands.
Hmmm. Now that would make you think that? The guy has great hands, good size and dominates outside when given the targets. But somehow he "looks" like a slot receiver....
 
Hmmm. Now that would make you think that? The guy has great hands, good size and dominates outside when given the targets. But somehow he "looks" like a slot receiver....
To me, he looks like a deceptively fast, blue-collar fan favorite. You know- a tough, gritty possession receiver. Someone in the Eddie McCaffrey/Wayne Chrebet/Joe Jurevicius/Matt Jones/Brandon Stokley type of mold.
 
Hmmm. Now that would make you think that? The guy has great hands, good size and dominates outside when given the targets. But somehow he "looks" like a slot receiver....
To me, he looks like a deceptively fast, blue-collar fan favorite. You know- a tough, gritty possession receiver. Someone in the Eddie McCaffrey/Wayne Chrebet/Joe Jurevicius/Matt Jones/Brandon Stokley type of mold.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
Hmmm. Now that would make you think that? The guy has great hands, good size and dominates outside when given the targets. But somehow he "looks" like a slot receiver....
To me, he looks like a deceptively fast, blue-collar fan favorite. You know- a tough, gritty possession receiver. Someone in the Eddie McCaffrey/Wayne Chrebet/Joe Jurevicius/Matt Jones/Brandon Stokley type of mold.
I think he's more like the Austin Collie/Ricky Proehl/Brian Finneran type.
 
Hmmm. Now that would make you think that? The guy has great hands, good size and dominates outside when given the targets. But somehow he "looks" like a slot receiver....
To me, he looks like a deceptively fast, blue-collar fan favorite. You know- a tough, gritty possession receiver. Someone in the Eddie McCaffrey/Wayne Chrebet/Joe Jurevicius/Matt Jones/Brandon Stokley type of mold.
I think he's more like the Austin Collie/Ricky Proehl/Brian Finneran type.
Surely we can all agree that Jordy Nelson is the Mike Alstott of wide receivers.
 
Hmmm. Now that would make you think that? The guy has great hands, good size and dominates outside when given the targets. But somehow he "looks" like a slot receiver....
To me, he looks like a deceptively fast, blue-collar fan favorite. You know- a tough, gritty possession receiver. Someone in the Eddie McCaffrey/Wayne Chrebet/Joe Jurevicius/Matt Jones/Brandon Stokley type of mold.
I think he's more like the Austin Collie/Ricky Proehl/Brian Finneran type.
Surely we can all agree that Jordy Nelson is the Mike Alstott of wide receivers.
:no:More like a cross between Matt Suhey and Crash Jensen.
 
Cobb is the ultimate do everything reciever, grant it im a huge Kentucky fan and he was my favorite player while at UK, but he looked faster than everyone on the field and is a great run after the catch option, especially on his TD reception when he juked the Saints defender to get into the endzone.

 
Anybody listen to Nathan Zegura's "Fantasy Consultant" show on Sirius/XM? He interviewed a Packers beat writer today (forgot his name, sorry) and the guy said that in 14 years of covering the team, Cobb is easily the most amazing rookie he's seen. He made jaw-dropping plays in camp day after day, as if he is 6-4 instead of being 5-10. That PLUS having electric moves.
We've heard nothing like this before today.................at least I didn't and I keep up with the rooks fairly well. :mellow:
I had heard stories similar to this. There was consistent positive news about Cobb all camp.
I've been blogging about that every other day since mid-July.
 
Bucci-grass Interviewing Cobb on SC right now. He was instructed not to run out any kicks deeper than 5 yards, and says he won't do that again this year. He also said he thought he was going down and would have if Kuhn hadn't held him up.

Also on his TD he screwed up the play. He was supposed to be running a drag route and instead ran a slant. Luckily AR saw that he was running a different route and still threw it to him for the TD.

Interesting, and shows the small nuances of this game. 2 'mistakes' that if not for the intelligence/headiness of a few vets in GB (rogers/kuhn) could have actually pushed him down the depth chart for either not following coaches orders, not knowing the playbook.assignments, end up being his two best plays and the ones that people here are using to justify his pathway to stardom. Such a game of inches...

 
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Hmmm. Now that would make you think that? The guy has great hands, good size and dominates outside when given the targets. But somehow he "looks" like a slot receiver....
To me, he looks like a deceptively fast, blue-collar fan favorite. You know- a tough, gritty possession receiver. Someone in the Eddie McCaffrey/Wayne Chrebet/Joe Jurevicius/Matt Jones/Brandon Stokley type of mold.
wait a minute...cobb is white?????
 
'Hipple said:
Bucci-grass Interviewing Cobb on SC right now. He was instructed not to run out any kicks deeper than 5 yards, and says he won't do that again this year. He also said he thought he was going down and would have if Kuhn hadn't held him up.Also on his TD he screwed up the play. He was supposed to be running a drag route and instead ran a slant. Luckily AR saw that he was running a different route and still threw it to him for the TD.Interesting, and shows the small nuances of this game. 2 'mistakes' that if not for the intelligence/headiness of a few vets in GB (rogers/kuhn) could have actually pushed him down the depth chart for either not following coaches orders, not knowing the playbook.assignments, end up being his two best plays and the ones that people here are using to justify his pathway to stardom. Such a game of inches...
I take this as a sign of his humility and deference. And also, great players make great plays, even if the play goes unscripted. Average players make average plays, and when the play goes unscripted, they usually make bad plays.
 
'Matt Waldman said:
'az_prof said:
'BigTex said:
Anybody listen to Nathan Zegura's "Fantasy Consultant" show on Sirius/XM? He interviewed a Packers beat writer today (forgot his name, sorry) and the guy said that in 14 years of covering the team, Cobb is easily the most amazing rookie he's seen. He made jaw-dropping plays in camp day after day, as if he is 6-4 instead of being 5-10. That PLUS having electric moves.
We've heard nothing like this before today.................at least I didn't and I keep up with the rooks fairly well. :mellow:
I had heard stories similar to this. There was consistent positive news about Cobb all camp.
I've been blogging about that every other day since mid-July.
Seriously like "second-coming of Jerry Rice" tweets from every single blogger and beat writer covering the packers, and all over rookie threads here. Really don't see how you could have completely missed the fact that he was one of if not THE most impressive rookie in the entire league.
 
'Matt Waldman said:
'az_prof said:
'BigTex said:
Anybody listen to Nathan Zegura's "Fantasy Consultant" show on Sirius/XM? He interviewed a Packers beat writer today (forgot his name, sorry) and the guy said that in 14 years of covering the team, Cobb is easily the most amazing rookie he's seen. He made jaw-dropping plays in camp day after day, as if he is 6-4 instead of being 5-10. That PLUS having electric moves.
We've heard nothing like this before today.................at least I didn't and I keep up with the rooks fairly well. :mellow:
I had heard stories similar to this. There was consistent positive news about Cobb all camp.
I've been blogging about that every other day since mid-July.
Seriously like "second-coming of Jerry Rice" tweets from every single blogger and beat writer covering the packers, and all over rookie threads here. Really don't see how you could have completely missed the fact that he was one of if not THE most impressive rookie in the entire league.
You get a big old gold star, buddy. I simply posted what the Packers beat writer said on the radio that day. I'll keep it to myself next time.
 
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'SSOG said:
'bigunreal said:
Hmmm. Now that would make you think that? The guy has great hands, good size and dominates outside when given the targets. But somehow he "looks" like a slot receiver....
To me, he looks like a deceptively fast, blue-collar fan favorite. You know- a tough, gritty possession receiver. Someone in the Eddie McCaffrey/Wayne Chrebet/Joe Jurevicius/Matt Jones/Brandon Stokley type of mold.
I think he's more like the Austin Collie/Ricky Proehl/Brian Finneran type.
Percy Harvin type.
 
Cobb's quote on his kickoff return: "I was just trusting in God. He told me to bring it out. I'm not supposed to bring that out. I'm not. Some things are logical and some things are just the power of God and that definitely was the power of God telling me to bring that out."

 
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Cobb's quote on his kickoff return: "I was just trusting in God. He told me to bring it out. I'm not supposed to bring that out. I'm not. Some things are logical and some things are just the power of God and that definitely was the power of God telling me to bring that out."
I'd downgrade him based on that quote.
 
Cobb is going to be scary good in a year or two. If you are in dynasty, this guys is a must have. Trade for him right now, especially if the team that owns him is in a win now mode.

He really has no idea what he is doing yet and he is already making explosive plays.

But the reality is that there are a ton of weapons on Green Bay, and he'll have plenty of weeks where his inexperience keeps him out of the box score.

But as soon as he "gets it", watch out.

Physically he's there, but his TD's both came on mistakes! Geez what a talent.

 
Cobb has some definite talent, but he's only relevant in dynasty leagues barring a few major injuries to the GB receiving corps.

 
Cobb's quote on his kickoff return: "I was just trusting in God. He told me to bring it out. I'm not supposed to bring that out. I'm not. Some things are logical and some things are just the power of God and that definitely was the power of God telling me to bring that out."
Oh jeez.
 
In redraft people would rather own Nelson I assume, but in dynasty who would you rather own? Nelson or Cobb?
This really has nothing to do with your question, but it got me to wondering how many white WR's Chris Wesseling had ranked on his Top 300 Dynasty Players list. By my count, his list contains 119 WR's - 8 of those are white. They include:WelkerCollieJ. NelsonAmendolaRiley CooperEdelmanK. WalterHartlineYes, I am bored! ;)
 
Cobb has some definite talent, but he's only relevant in dynasty leagues barring a few major injuries to the GB receiving corps.
Injuries to who? He already appears to be even with Driver and James Jones.
Doesn't matter if he's even, he won't get enough looks on a weekly basis to be reliable with all those WR's getting snaps. Need to get some of them off the field.
 
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