WR Rashee Rice, KC (2 Viewers)

[menobrown]

Also, a little frustrating reading all the legal expert takes saying this was going to be delayed until after the season and now we get this. Are the legal takes just educated guesses?

Personally I have no use for legal experts when it comes to trying to forecast NFL suspensions. Truly never tells me anything because NFL suspensions are more based in PR then law.

The only thing surprising in this case was the verdict was handed down because I thought he was not close to having a criminal trial yet.

Also I think people are trying to hard to read into why the verdict was handed down. Don't think it has anything to do with contract or health.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

DId Toney die last night ?

Accidentally landed on page 1 of this topic & saw this blast from the past. lol

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Don't think it has anything to do with contract or health.

I believe they try to be expedient regardless of any peripherals. IIRC he plead guilty - from there it’s relatively easy to hand down a sentence. Probably in everyone’s best interest to get it done quickly.

 

[JohnnyU]

5 years probation AND 30 days jail time? Could be a decent suspension coming down from the NFL. Certainly 4 - 6 I would think at least.

If you read the article his 30 days can be served at any time during the 5 years, AND if it is determined that he’s serving his probation adequately the 30 days can be waived.

He’s unlikely to serve a single day in jail.

He’ll probably get 2-4 game suspension. I’m sticking with my original 4 reduced to 3 on appeal.

He should have to pickup trash along the interstate at least 8 hours a week for a year. Fans can waive at him.

 

[menobrown]

Now we see how his ADP changes accordingly. He was creeping up too high, now will he be a value spending on timing of suspension?

I believe the suspension was already baked into his ADP. I landed him as my WR3 at 4.09 in a 12-team start-up.

Without this hanging over him he’s likely a 2nd round pick.

I don't think the suspension was baked in myself. His ADP in FFPC is the 2/3 turn, I expect that to now drop into round 4 at least.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

From our Footballguys Legal Guy Drew Davenport:

https://x.com/DrewDavenportFF/status/1945884075220431120

My off-the-cuff take on Rashee Rice is that he likely gets 2-4 games, but 4 feels right to me.

As for the case finishing this quickly with no knowledge of an open case - the most likely explanation is something I have alluded to before - there was a Diversion opportunity or a pre-indictment deal worked out (pleading to a Bill of Information).

The fact that no media was aware of a case and no case number showed up on the website points to one of those outcomes.However, the fact that if he complies his case gets dismissed says this is Diversion. I just don’t know if I can trust Schefter’s language to be precise but that’s what this says to me.

That’s the best I can do before I have to be back in court in 30 minutes. I’ll give a full #FFLegalUpdate as soon as I can.

I hope he’s right. IIRC Mr Davenport was driving the “unlikely to be suspended in 2025” bus.

But I also expect around 4 games. No one died, and they can’t prove DUI or possession or any of the other stuff alleged. More than 4 would be a little unusual IMO.

 

[Scoresman]

Now we see how his ADP changes accordingly. He was creeping up too high, now will he be a value spending on timing of suspension?

I believe the suspension was already baked into his ADP. I landed him as my WR3 at 4.09 in a 12-team start-up.

Without this hanging over him he’s likely a 2nd round pick.

I thought he was already starting to creep into the 2nd round on some sites.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Now we see how his ADP changes accordingly. He was creeping up too high, now will he be a value spending on timing of suspension?

I believe the suspension was already baked into his ADP. I landed him as my WR3 at 4.09 in a 12-team start-up.

Without this hanging over him he’s likely a 2nd round pick.

I don't think the suspension was baked in myself. His ADP in FFPC is the 2/3 turn, I expect that to now drop into round 4 at least.

Maybe I’m looking at startup and you’re looking at redraft?

For startup SF he was pick 40 (33-49)

 

[menobrown]

Now we see how his ADP changes accordingly. He was creeping up too high, now will he be a value spending on timing of suspension?

I believe the suspension was already baked into his ADP. I landed him as my WR3 at 4.09 in a 12-team start-up.

Without this hanging over him he’s likely a 2nd round pick.

I thought he was already starting to creep into the 2nd round on some sites.

21 in Underdog and 25 in FFPC for drafts over the past few weeks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Now we see how his ADP changes accordingly. He was creeping up too high, now will he be a value spending on timing of suspension?

I believe the suspension was already baked into his ADP. I landed him as my WR3 at 4.09 in a 12-team start-up.

Without this hanging over him he’s likely a 2nd round pick.

I thought he was already starting to creep into the 2nd round on some sites.

Redraft. We’re talking apples to oranges. Apologies for the confusion - I’m in the middle of a start-up draft so that’s the ADP I’ve been focused on.

He did rise to like 22 for a brief window in redraft ADP - I believe I posted that here.

 

[menobrown]

Now we see how his ADP changes accordingly. He was creeping up too high, now will he be a value spending on timing of suspension?

I believe the suspension was already baked into his ADP. I landed him as my WR3 at 4.09 in a 12-team start-up.

Without this hanging over him he’s likely a 2nd round pick.

I don't think the suspension was baked in myself. His ADP in FFPC is the 2/3 turn, I expect that to now drop into round 4 at least.

Maybe I’m looking at startup and you’re looking at redraft?

For startup SF he was pick 40 (33-49)

Yes but the difference is not redraft vs dynasty as any suspension in dynasty is borderline irrelevant.

The difference is SF vs not.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He should have to pickup trash along the interstate at least 8 hours a week for a year. Fans can waive at him.

On this one we are in full agreement.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yes but the difference is not redraft vs dynasty as any suspension in dynasty is borderline irrelevant.

The difference is SF vs not.

Disagree here. I believe a suspension is far more relevant to redraft than dynasty. 4-ish games out of 17 is significantly more impactful than 4-ish games out of his entire career regardless of format.

 

[menobrown]

Yes but the difference is not redraft vs dynasty as any suspension in dynasty is borderline irrelevant.

The difference is SF vs not.

Disagree here. I believe a suspension is far more relevant to redraft than dynasty. 4-ish games out of 17 is significantly more impactful than 4-ish games out of his entire career regardless of format.

This is what I said.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yes but the difference is not redraft vs dynasty as any suspension in dynasty is borderline irrelevant.

The difference is SF vs not.

Disagree here. I believe a suspension is far more relevant to redraft than dynasty. 4-ish games out of 17 is significantly more impactful than 4-ish games out of his entire career regardless of format.

This is what I said.

You said you didn’t think redraft vs dynasty was relevant but that it was about SF vs 1 QB.


Re-reading your post maybe I misunderstood, or it was poorly phrased. All good - we’re not too far apart on this one it seems.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It’s actually kind of nice to finally have some closure on this one. Hopefully we find out the suspension details just as quickly.

 

[menobrown]

Yes but the difference is not redraft vs dynasty as any suspension in dynasty is borderline irrelevant.

The difference is SF vs not.

Disagree here. I believe a suspension is far more relevant to redraft than dynasty. 4-ish games out of 17 is significantly more impactful than 4-ish games out of his entire career regardless of format.

This is what I said.

You said you didn’t think redraft vs dynasty was relevant but that it was about SF vs 1 QB.

Please read the bolded.

 

[menobrown]

or it was poorly phrased.

Not really, lol.

 

[Scoresman]

How long does NFL typically take to dole out suspensions? Will we know before most redraft drafts?

 

[FantasyGuru24]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yes but the difference is not redraft vs dynasty as any suspension in dynasty is borderline irrelevant.

The difference is SF vs not.

Disagree here. I believe a suspension is far more relevant to redraft than dynasty. 4-ish games out of 17 is significantly more impactful than 4-ish games out of his entire career regardless of format.

This is what I said.

You said you didn’t think redraft vs dynasty was relevant but that it was about SF vs 1 QB.

Please read the bolded.

You said “the difference is not redraft vs dynasty” right before that, but ok whatever. This is dumb.

 

[menobrown]

How long does NFL typically take to dole out suspensions? Will we know before most redraft drafts?

I don't know normal timeframe but this should not take long, I'd guess more days then weeks. They've had this under review for over a year and not really anything changed, they were just on standby until the legal process played out.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

I don’t think that’s how this works. Worthy will absorb some of that production for 4-whatever weeks.

Anointing him the WR1 forward seems like an overcorrection.

 

[warpig33]

XWorthy Kelce is the #1 in KC now ..

Fixed it for you.

 

[menobrown]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

Just the opposite. Worty, and most especially Kelce, will now likely get drafted to high while Rice becomes the value play.

I personally love suspension discounts.

No one is winning leagues in weeks 1-4. There are no bye weeks, most people have fully healthy rosters. It's the easiest time of the year to cover for a player being out.

 

[JohnnyU]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

I don’t think that’s how this works. Worthy will absorb some of that production for 4-whatever weeks.

Anointing him the WR1 forward seems like an overcorrection.

I think it’s likely he has wr1 numbers while Rice is out. I wish I hadn’t traded him.

 

[efactor]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

I don’t think that’s how this works. Worthy will absorb some of that production for 4-whatever weeks.

Anointing him the WR1 forward seems like an overcorrection.

Agree on bolded. But I also think many are underestimating Worthy's role this year when they are both on the field together. I see a lot of posters pointing out Rice's target share last season as reason to take him around the 2-3 turn in redraft, but seemingly ignoring Worthy's growth towards the end of last season, as well as Hollywood Browns potential role as a strong #3 WR. I like Rice and all but just don't see the same target share that he got in 2024.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

Just the opposite. Worty, and most especially Kelce, will now likely get drafted to high while Rice becomes the value play.

I personally love suspension discounts.

No one is winning leagues in weeks 1-4. There are no bye weeks, most people have fully healthy rosters. It's the easiest time of the year to cover for a player being out.

Agree - if you can land Rice as your WR3 you’re killing your drafts.

 

[joey]

no clue. Won’t claim to know anything or even bother guessing.
I roster him in 1 dynasty league and plan on holding

Seems I was correct

Lots of guessing and confidence in here 1-2 pages ago about it looking like he wouldn’t be suspended this year.

All wild guesses that might as well have been from a Magic 8 Ball.

 

[pinkstapler]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

Just the opposite. Worty, and most especially Kelce, will now likely get drafted to high while Rice becomes the value play.

I personally love suspension discounts.

No one is winning leagues in weeks 1-4. There are no bye weeks, most people have fully healthy rosters. It's the easiest time of the year to cover for a player being out.

This is where I'm at. I actually haven't loved Rice's ADP; not because of the looming suspension as much, more so I think it feels a little too optimistic projection based on a pretty small sample + not a bunch of Worthy overlap. Not a bad price IMO, just others I like in that range more there. If he gets 4 weeks or so for the suspension and drops in ADP a round or more, I think I will wind up owning more of him than I would have if he wasn't getting suspended haha.

 

[FantasyGuru24]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

Just the opposite. Worty, and most especially Kelce, will now likely get drafted to high while Rice becomes the value play.

I personally love suspension discounts.

No one is winning leagues in weeks 1-4. There are no bye weeks, most people have fully healthy rosters. It's the easiest time of the year to cover for a player being out.

It’s more about Rice being drafted as your WR1. For example (before the looming suspension news) if you go RB, RB, WR with your first 3 picks then selecting Rice as your WR1 makes sense but that’s not the case if he misses anywhere from 4-6 games. Rice basically went from a WR1 to a WR3.

If you can get him as your WR3 while having the rest of your roster filled out then you basically have a league winner.

 

[JohnnyU]

no clue. Won’t claim to know anything or even bother guessing.
I roster him in 1 dynasty league and plan on holding

Seems I was correct

Lots of guessing and confidence in here 1-2 pages ago about it looking like he wouldn’t be suspended this year.

All wild guesses that might as well have been from a Magic 8 Ball.

You mean how Jerry Jones drafts?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you can get him as your WR3 while having the rest of your roster filled out then you basically have a league winner.

SF start-up:
1.04 - Burrow
2.09 - BTJ
3.14 - GW
4.09 - Rice

Feels good. Feels real good.

 

[menobrown]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

Just the opposite. Worty, and most especially Kelce, will now likely get drafted to high while Rice becomes the value play.

I personally love suspension discounts.

No one is winning leagues in weeks 1-4. There are no bye weeks, most people have fully healthy rosters. It's the easiest time of the year to cover for a player being out.

It’s more about Rice being drafted as your WR1. For example (before the looming suspension news) if you go RB, RB, WR with your first 3 picks then selecting Rice as your WR1 makes sense but that’s not the case if he misses anywhere from 4-6 games. Rice basically went from a WR1 to a WR3.

If you can get him as your WR3 while having the rest of your roster filled out then you basically have a league winner.

I don't really think about it so in WR1 or WR3 terms. Just as simple as I've getting a player at a discount because he's out a few weeks. If Rice is the first receiver I draft or the 4th it does not really matter to me.

If I was thinking of it in WR1 vs WR3 terms I'd just think for the price of a WR3 I'm getting an eventual WR1/2 and while I'm covering the weeks he's out my WR4,5,etc,etc.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All wild guesses that might as well have been from a Magic 8 Ball.

Actually no - going with the FBG resident attorney seemed slightly more educated guess than a magic 8-ball, but sure enjoy your victory lap.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

XWorthy is the #1 in KC now .. 4+ games is a lot to miss during the fantasy calendar.

Just the opposite. Worty, and most especially Kelce, will now likely get drafted to high while Rice becomes the value play.

I personally love suspension discounts.

No one is winning leagues in weeks 1-4. There are no bye weeks, most people have fully healthy rosters. It's the easiest time of the year to cover for a player being out.

It’s more about Rice being drafted as your WR1. For example (before the looming suspension news) if you go RB, RB, WR with your first 3 picks then selecting Rice as your WR1 makes sense but that’s not the case if he misses anywhere from 4-6 games. Rice basically went from a WR1 to a WR3.

If you can get him as your WR3 while having the rest of your roster filled out then you basically have a league winner.

I don't really think about it so in WR1 or WR3 terms. Just as simple as I've getting a player at a discount because he's out a few weeks. If Rice is the first receiver I draft or the 4th it does not really matter to me.

If I was thinking of it in WR1 vs WR3 terms I'd just think for the price of a WR3 I'm getting an eventual WR1/2 and while I'm covering the weeks he's out my WR4,5,etc,etc.

Agree here too - and bonus, it’s not like he’s out with an injury.

 

[FantasyGuru24]

If you can get him as your WR3 while having the rest of your roster filled out then you basically have a league winner.

SF start-up:
1.04 - Burrow
2.09 - BTJ
3.14 - GW
4.09 - Rice

Feels good. Feels real good.

Are passing touchdowns and receptions worth 10 points?

 

[menobrown]

All wild guesses that might as well have been from a Magic 8 Ball.

Actually no - going with the FBG resident attorney seemed slightly more educated guess than a magic 8-ball, but sure enjoy your victory lap.

I will concur. I don't think it was wild guesses, it was rooted in something and that something was no one had any idea he was going to enter a guilty plea or had any kind of criminal hearing coming up.

Addison oddly on the same day as Rice entered a guilty plea today but we all knew he'd get a suspension because we knew he had a trial date.

 

[SanDawg]

So what do you offer the guy w/Rice? 5 man keeper. Could probably absorb the suspension with McConkey and Wilson and other draft capital.

 

[Buckna]

Whether one agrees or not, civil lawsuits mean very little to the NFL.

Antonio Brown and Deshaun Watson were sent away for extremely long times over civil lawsuits.

Those cases were a bit different though, right?

I mean every case is different, those two are not like each other at all really.

AB also pleaded no contest to felony burglary and battery a month before his suspension, I imagine that factored in a bit (not too minimize his alleged multiple sexual assaults and rape per the civil suit.) Watson's situation was so beyond the pale it's not even worth bringing up as an actual example.

I think you are understimating PR in both cases and Rice is also facing felony charges.

In AB's case if you recall he was pleading with Goodell to suspend him but he was dangling his cases being unresolved and not until he settled his civil lawsuit did they suspend him.

If the Civil trial or situation leads to public outcry the NFL generally acts accordingly, have always believed suspensions length that's not directly mandated by the CBA is in proportion to the public outcry.


But as concise as I can say this I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly that you can make a blanket statement that civil trials don't matter. In fact in both of these cases I'm pretty sure they one of the reasons they both settled was so more damaging information that turned the public against them more could not come out.

I expect Rice to do the same. He won't want to hear victim testimony of the fright, injuries, health and job issues some of them claim to have had while he's offered no assistance post-accident or any time since. You start introducing testimony of parents whose kids and their injuries and risk of more injury and that's how public sentiment changes on you you move from maybe a 2-3 game suspension to 6-8. Not suggesting he's getting suspended like those two did. but I am absolutely saying the civil trials matter.

I missed your previous response from a few weeks ago. I appreciate your reasoned and detailed explanation on your position. I think you bring up very good points and I was maybe too pithy about "civil not mattering at all" statement.

With the news today, I imagine the settlements on his civil cases may be coming quickly. If not, they may just get postponed until well after the season (and possibly well into the offseason since there is that one date we know of before the Super Bowl.) if I was a plaintiff I'd probably be thinking it's better to settle after he signs a lucrative extension possibly next offseason.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you can get him as your WR3 while having the rest of your roster filled out then you basically have a league winner.

SF start-up:
1.04 - Burrow
2.09 - BTJ
3.14 - GW
4.09 - Rice

Feels good. Feels real good.

Are passing touchdowns and receptions worth 10 points?

No, just 6. Why would they have to be?

 

[FantasyGuru24]

If you can get him as your WR3 while having the rest of your roster filled out then you basically have a league winner.

SF start-up:
1.04 - Burrow
2.09 - BTJ
3.14 - GW
4.09 - Rice

Feels good. Feels real good.

Are passing touchdowns and receptions worth 10 points?

No, just 6. Why would they have to be?

Because you went QB with your first pick ..

 

[menobrown]

Agree here too - and bonus, it’s not like he’s out with an injury.

Yeah, I love suspension discounts but will admit I've been heavy over the years on trying to obtain injury discounts and they have generally blown up in my face. Finally decided to ditch that approach in favor of "don't willingly draft an injury" approach but the suspension related discounts have been hitting at very high rates.

 

[pinkstapler]

If you can get him as your WR3 while having the rest of your roster filled out then you basically have a league winner.

SF start-up:
1.04 - Burrow
2.09 - BTJ
3.14 - GW
4.09 - Rice

Feels good. Feels real good.

Are passing touchdowns and receptions worth 10 points?

No, just 6. Why would they have to be?

Reads like sarcasm. Though sarcasm is tough to read lol. Maybe he missed it's a SF league and he's one of those guys who loves taking RBs early? I'm with you though, pending some crazy value falling in my lap, I'm starting this year of WR heavy. Would love a BTJ/GW/RR starting 3 over most other scenarios where one of those guys is a RB.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you can get him as your WR3 while having the rest of your roster filled out then you basically have a league winner.

SF start-up:
1.04 - Burrow
2.09 - BTJ
3.14 - GW
4.09 - Rice

Feels good. Feels real good.

Are passing touchdowns and receptions worth 10 points?

No, just 6. Why would they have to be?

Reads like sarcasm. Though sarcasm is tough to read lol. Maybe he missed it's a SF league and he's one of those guys who loves taking RBs early? I'm with you though, pending some crazy value falling in my lap, I'm starting this year of WR heavy. Would love a BTJ/GW/RR starting 3 over most other scenarios where one of those guys is a RB.

I took Jamo as my WR5 and then Reed as my WR6. We can start 3-6 WR (2 flex + SF)

My first RB was Jacobs in the 7th & then Chuba in the 8th.

I love these types of builds for dynasty.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Because you went QB with your first pick ..

In a SF start-up. That stands for “super flex”. I decided I’d rather have Burrow+BTJ (or whatever WR1) than Chase+Caleb or Stroud.

Set it & forget it QB1 for a decade+ seemed like a good strategy, especially with 6 pt PaTD & -2 Int.

 

[FantasyGuru24]

Because you went QB with your first pick ..

In a SF start-up. That stands for “super flex”. I decided I’d rather have Burrow+BTJ (or whatever WR1) than Chase+Caleb or Stroud.

Set it & forget it QB1 for a decade+ seemed like a good strategy, especially with 6 pt PaTD & -2 Int.

Got it .. Thanks for the clarification. Was thinking SF stood for “Standard Format” lol

 

[joey]

All wild guesses that might as well have been from a Magic 8 Ball.

Actually no - going with the FBG resident attorney seemed slightly more educated guess than a magic 8-ball, but sure enjoy your victory lap.

I will concur. I don't think it was wild guesses, it was rooted in something and that something was no one had any idea he was going to enter a guilty plea or had any kind of criminal hearing coming up.

Addison oddly on the same day as Rice entered a guilty plea today but we all knew he'd get a suspension because we knew he had a trial date.

Yeah yeah. Educated guesses on top of educated guesses about a case no one knows the internal workings of.

I’m mostly reacting to the confidence of those who stated he wasn’t being suspended this year.

Victory lap completed

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Victory lap completed

that & $1 will get you a cup of coffee at McDonalds.

 

[ZADO]

Victory lap completed

that & $1 will get you a cup of coffee at McDonalds.

Oh you have the McDonalds APP too?