WR Rashee Rice, KC (2 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

I agree with you that this was a horrible action on Rice's part and in no way am I trying to diminish it. Who knows what was rolling around in his head as he was leaving the scene. What we do know was not good.

When you say they panicked and ran away, that would indicate they understood that that had done something horribly wrong and got away from it without thoughtful action. That video shows that they were very thoughtful and calculating afterward and had little to no care for the damage to people and property that they caused.

Misinterpreting the heinousness and the callousness in this entire incident that is clearly visible to see does diminish the depth of it. That said, I believe you when you say it was not your intent to do so, and I did use you specifically to address what is a general opinion of mine and not aimed at you directly, so please accept my apology for that.

np. I'm not sure panic is always displayed as frantic. Hell, I don't know what they were thinking in the moment. What I do know is that Rice was horribly in the wrong.

 

[efactor]

I agree with you that this was a horrible action on Rice's part and in no way am I trying to diminish it. Who knows what was rolling around in his head as he was leaving the scene.

Probably "I'm stoned and just caused a major accident and someone may be hurt or dead. We have a bag with drugs in the car. This isn't going to end well. Let's grab the bags and get the hell out of here and hope for the best. The best for us anyway."

You're welcome

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I agree with you that this was a horrible action on Rice's part and in no way am I trying to diminish it. Who knows what was rolling around in his head as he was leaving the scene.

Probably "I'm stoned and just caused a major accident and someone may be hurt or dead. We have a bag with drugs in the car. This isn't going to end well. Let's grab the bags and get the hell out of here and hope for the best. The best for us anyway."

Your welcome

That does seem like the Occam’s approved answer, yes.

 

[rockaction]

The way they got out of the cars and just started walking on the freeway . . . was I dreaming or did they have that on video? That was surreal.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The way they got out of the cars and just started walking on the freeway . . . was I dreaming or did they have that on video? That was surreal.

I don’t recall seeing video but that’s how it was described. Video may exist - I am not omnipresent.

If Rice is smart, he will disassociate with every person he was with that night forever.

I realize that “if” is doing world-class lifting in that statement.

 

[efactor]

The way they got out of the cars and just started walking on the freeway . . . was I dreaming or did they have that on video? That was surreal.

Oh, it's on video

A guy was videoing them and asking why they were walking away. Of course they gave no response as they scooted off

 

[JohnnyU]

The way they got out of the cars and just started walking on the freeway . . . was I dreaming or did they have that on video? That was surreal.

I don’t recall seeing video but that’s how it was described. Video may exist - I am not omnipresent.

If Rice is smart, he will disassociate with every person he was with that night forever.

I realize that “if” is doing world-class lifting in that statement.

I think what you said, “If Rice is smart, he will disassociate with every person he was with that night forever.” Is very hard for players to do. He considers them friends, even if they are just riding his coattails for whatever they can get and encouraging him into doing things he knows he shouldn’t be doing. That is a powerful thing to let go of.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The way they got out of the cars and just started walking on the freeway . . . was I dreaming or did they have that on video? That was surreal.

Oh, it's on video

A guy was videoing them and asking why they were walking away. Of course they gave no response as they scooted off

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I forgot, not only is he responsible for that million to the victim... he's gotta pay for those 2 super cars; then all the other cars damaged

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The way they got out of the cars and just started walking on the freeway . . . was I dreaming or did they have that on video? That was surreal.

I don’t recall seeing video but that’s how it was described. Video may exist - I am not omnipresent.

If Rice is smart, he will disassociate with every person he was with that night forever.

I realize that “if” is doing world-class lifting in that statement.

I think what you said, “If Rice is smart, he will disassociate with every person he was with that night forever.” Is very hard for players to do. He considers them friends, even if they are just riding his coattails for whatever they can get and encouraging him into doing things he knows he shouldn’t be doing. That is a powerful thing to let go of.

Yep. It’s hard for anyone to do. I’ve known good people dragged down by bad association.

That said, Andy Reid is no stranger to the perils of alcohol + driving + reckless behavior. His own son is still under house arrest through October.

My hope is that the Chiefs as an organization will help Rice with the guidance he clearly needs. I doubt they’ll hand him a massive contract until they’re convinced he’s capable of handling it.

 

[JohnnyU]

The way they got out of the cars and just started walking on the freeway . . . was I dreaming or did they have that on video? That was surreal.

Oh, it's on video

A guy was videoing them and asking why they were walking away. Of course they gave no response as they scooted off

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I forgot, not only is he responsible for that million to the victim... he's gotta pay for those 2 super cars; then all the other cars damaged

Car insurance? My car insurance covers rentals.

 

[rockaction]

Why that young man with the man purse looked like he made sure he gathered his possessions for the freeway hike!

 

[efactor]

Why that young man with the man purse looked like he made sure he gathered his possessions for the freeway hike!

Yep. Drugs are expensive

 

[efactor]

The way they got out of the cars and just started walking on the freeway . . . was I dreaming or did they have that on video? That was surreal.

I don’t recall seeing video but that’s how it was described. Video may exist - I am not omnipresent.

If Rice is smart, he will disassociate with every person he was with that night forever.

I realize that “if” is doing world-class lifting in that statement.

I think what you said, “If Rice is smart, he will disassociate with every person he was with that night forever.” Is very hard for players to do. He considers them friends, even if they are just riding his coattails for whatever they can get and encouraging him into doing things he knows he shouldn’t be doing. That is a powerful thing to let go of.

Yep. It’s hard for anyone to do. I’ve known good people dragged down by bad association.

Perhaps Rice is the bad influence dragging these otherwise nice young men down

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Perhaps Rice is the bad influence dragging these otherwise nice young men down

Anything is possible. We don’t know what’s what. What we do know is that when Rice is out with this group bad things happen, so it’s probably in his (and the Chiefs) best interest to make sure that he doesn’t go out with that group, right?

 

[efactor]

Perhaps Rice is the bad influence dragging these otherwise nice young men down

Anything is possible. We don’t know what’s what. What we do know is that when Rice is out with this group bad things happen, so it’s probably in his (and the Chiefs) best interest to make sure that he doesn’t go out with that group, right?

Or in their best interest to disassociate themselves from Rice. Of course he’s the one who finances all the fun stuff, so that probably won’t happen.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Perhaps Rice is the bad influence dragging these otherwise nice young men down

Anything is possible. We don’t know what’s what. What we do know is that when Rice is out with this group bad things happen, so it’s probably in his (and the Chiefs) best interest to make sure that he doesn’t go out with that group, right?

Or in their best interest to disassociate themselves from Rice. Of course he’s the one who finances all the fun stuff, so that probably won’t happen.

His friend group? Yeah, I doubt they’d volunteer to ditch the one who’s got the $.

Though how much $ he’ll have after this is questionable.

 

[efactor]

Perhaps Rice is the bad influence dragging these otherwise nice young men down

Anything is possible. We don’t know what’s what. What we do know is that when Rice is out with this group bad things happen, so it’s probably in his (and the Chiefs) best interest to make sure that he doesn’t go out with that group, right?

Or in their best interest to disassociate themselves from Rice. Of course he’s the one who finances all the fun stuff, so that probably won’t happen.

I doubt that happens. Sounds like wishcasting because you don’t like Rice.

You know how the NFL works. Talent > everything else.

Not at all. I had nothing against Rice until this incident. But yeah, now I think he’s a total POS.

The selfishness of walking away without checking on anyone else is what pissses me off the most. The way of the world for too many people these days. Unfortunate

 

[Jppaul]

rental agent: Would you like the rental insurance?

Rice: Yeah, I'll take two.

 

[efactor]

rental agent: Would you like the rental insurance?

Rice: Yeah, I'll take two.

Yeah, I’m hoping he gave the rental agent the “no, I’m good”

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Perhaps Rice is the bad influence dragging these otherwise nice young men down

Anything is possible. We don’t know what’s what. What we do know is that when Rice is out with this group bad things happen, so it’s probably in his (and the Chiefs) best interest to make sure that he doesn’t go out with that group, right?

Or in their best interest to disassociate themselves from Rice. Of course he’s the one who finances all the fun stuff, so that probably won’t happen.

I doubt that happens. Sounds like wishcasting because you don’t like Rice.

You know how the NFL works. Talent > everything else.

Not at all. I had nothing against Rice until this incident. But yeah, now I think he’s a total POS.

The selfishness of walking away without checking on anyone else is what pissses me off the most. The way of the world for too many people these days. Unfortunate

Yeah, I misunderstood your post - I thought you were talking about the chiefs parting ways with rice.

Ya got to it before my edit. Man, you’re fast!

 

[efactor]

Perhaps Rice is the bad influence dragging these otherwise nice young men down

Anything is possible. We don’t know what’s what. What we do know is that when Rice is out with this group bad things happen, so it’s probably in his (and the Chiefs) best interest to make sure that he doesn’t go out with that group, right?

Or in their best interest to disassociate themselves from Rice. Of course he’s the one who finances all the fun stuff, so that probably won’t happen.

I doubt that happens. Sounds like wishcasting because you don’t like Rice.

You know how the NFL works. Talent > everything else.

Not at all. I had nothing against Rice until this incident. But yeah, now I think he’s a total POS.

The selfishness of walking away without checking on anyone else is what pissses me off the most. The way of the world for too many people these days. Unfortunate

Yeah, I misunderstood your post - I thought you were talking about the chiefs parting ways with rice.

Ya got to it before my edit. Man, you’re fast!

That’s what she said

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The selfishness of walking away without checking on anyone else is what pissses me off the most

Don’t disagree with this at all.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

rental agent: Would you like the rental insurance?

Rice: Yeah, I'll take two.

Yeah, I’m hoping he gave the rental agent the “no, I’m good”

I’m reasonably certain there are clauses in those agreements surrounding high rates of speed / operating the vehicles unsafely.

IIRC immediately after there was something in one of the articles about violating his rental agreement by having someone else driving one of the vehicles (he’d rented both in his name).

 

[KellysHeroes]

The way they got out of the cars and just started walking on the freeway . . . was I dreaming or did they have that on video? That was surreal.

Oh, it's on video

A guy was videoing them and asking why they were walking away. Of course they gave no response as they scooted off

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I forgot, not only is he responsible for that million to the victim... he's gotta pay for those 2 super cars; then all the other cars damaged

Car insurance? My car insurance covers rentals.

Yeah, not sure what his insurance will cover for his car but I remember the video pretty much voided the signed insurance on that $250k rental

 

[JohnnyU]

rental agent: Would you like the rental insurance?

Rice: Yeah, I'll take two.

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[rockaction]

It’s extra ****ty but if you know what’s on you and people are injured (and it’s about to come down on you) you’d be surprised how many people would choose the Rashee route tree rather than staying to aid the afflicted.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It’s extra ****ty but if you know what’s on you and people are injured (and it’s about to come down on you) you’d be surprised how many people would choose the Rashee route tree rather than staying to aid the afflicted.

Not just what was on him but what he may have been on.

If he was high/drunk, leaving was probably both the smartest and crappiest thing for him to do. Can’t bust him for what they don’t catch him with/on.

 

[Moonlight]

30 Days in jail with 5 yrs proby... 2 3rd degree felonies with intent to cause serious bodily harm to others; and we're talking about 2 - 4... thats insane. The talk should begin with 10 then work its way down with 7 plus a HUGE fine. Had he stayed at the scene and began checking on people and helping until authorities got there... then maybe we can talk 4 games but this guy has zero remorse.

Anything less than a half a year's suspension would be a great surprise. Ray Rice ended up getting suspended indefinitely because his violent assault was caught on video. Rashes Rice's high speed reckless driving collision was also caught on video. This was compounded by his cold hearted non chalant walking away from the accident. Also caught on video. A picture is worth a thousand words. All the networks are replaying this video as part of their coverage of his guilty plea.

I think the Chiefs are hoping that his suspension will not be so substantial that he'll be able to return before the season ends and more importantly the playoffs. This may have influenced Rice pleading out now.

If I were betting, I'd bet the over regarding a 8 game suspension.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

30 Days in jail with 5 yrs proby... 2 3rd degree felonies with intent to cause serious bodily harm to others; and we're talking about 2 - 4... thats insane. The talk should begin with 10 then work its way down with 7 plus a HUGE fine. Had he stayed at the scene and began checking on people and helping until authorities got there... then maybe we can talk 4 games but this guy has zero remorse.

Anything less than a half a year's suspension would be a great surprise. Ray Rice ended up getting suspended indefinitely because his violent assault was caught on video. Rashes Rice's high speed reckless driving collision was also caught on video. This was compounded by his cold hearted non chalant walking away from the accident. Also caught on video. A picture is worth a thousand words. All the networks are replaying this video as part of their coverage of his guilty plea.

I think the Chiefs are hoping that his suspension will not be so substantial that he'll be able to return before the season ends and more importantly the playoffs. This may have influenced Rice pleading out now.

If I were betting, I'd bet the over regarding a 8 game suspension.

I very much doubt the bolded.
No one died, he wasn’t caught under the influence, and he pleaded guilty.

Most folks I’ve read have suggested 4 games would be in line with past precedent. I haven’t seen anyone outside this topic suggest 1/2 a season.

 

[JohnnyU]

30 Days in jail with 5 yrs proby... 2 3rd degree felonies with intent to cause serious bodily harm to others; and we're talking about 2 - 4... thats insane. The talk should begin with 10 then work its way down with 7 plus a HUGE fine. Had he stayed at the scene and began checking on people and helping until authorities got there... then maybe we can talk 4 games but this guy has zero remorse.

Anything less than a half a year's suspension would be a great surprise. Ray Rice ended up getting suspended indefinitely because his violent assault was caught on video. Rashes Rice's high speed reckless driving collision was also caught on video. This was compounded by his cold hearted non chalant walking away from the accident. Also caught on video. A picture is worth a thousand words. All the networks are replaying this video as part of their coverage of his guilty plea.

I think the Chiefs are hoping that his suspension will not be so substantial that he'll be able to return before the season ends and more importantly the playoffs. This may have influenced Rice pleading out now.

If I were betting, I'd bet the over regarding a 8 game suspension.

Sure has the vibes of a Goodell hammer at an Amish barn raising.

 

[rockaction]

It’s extra ****ty but if you know what’s on you and people are injured (and it’s about to come down on you) you’d be surprised how many people would choose the Rashee route tree rather than staying to aid the afflicted.

Not just what was on him but what he may have been on.

If he was high/drunk, leaving was probably both the smartest and crappiest thing for him to do. Can’t bust him for what they don’t catch him with/on.

Absolutely. Possession is 9/10ths of the law, as the old phrase goes (this isn’t totally accurate, but rings of truth). The blood draw and urine testing I don’t know exactly, but those guys ducked (and they suck for it) a lot of trouble.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sure has the vibes of a Goodell hammer at an Amish barn raising.

I think this is more what people want than what’s likely to happen, but hey, y’all could be right.

 

[rockaction]

Hate to disagree with HSG and Rice is on my second of two dynasty teams, but I think it’s half a year also (at least). Elliott got six games, right? For inappropriate touching when the arbitrator found the witness not credible? Woof. Rashee! Duck!

 

[JohnnyU]

Sure has the vibes of a Goodell hammer at an Amish barn raising.

I think this is more what people want than what’s likely to happen, but hey, y’all could be right.

I don’t see it any less than the Ray Rice incident. People were injured and he walked away and it’s on video.

 

[rockaction]

Sure has the vibes of a Goodell hammer at an Amish barn raising.

I think this is more what people want than what’s likely to happen, but hey, y’all could be right.

I don’t see it any less than the Ray Rice incident. People were injured and he walked away and it’s on video.

There’s video of Rashee but Ray Rice? That was video in italics.

 

[Moonlight]

30 Days in jail with 5 yrs proby... 2 3rd degree felonies with intent to cause serious bodily harm to others; and we're talking about 2 - 4... thats insane. The talk should begin with 10 then work its way down with 7 plus a HUGE fine. Had he stayed at the scene and began checking on people and helping until authorities got there... then maybe we can talk 4 games but this guy has zero remorse.

Anything less than a half a year's suspension would be a great surprise. Ray Rice ended up getting suspended indefinitely because his violent assault was caught on video. Rashes Rice's high speed reckless driving collision was also caught on video. This was compounded by his cold hearted non chalant walking away from the accident. Also caught on video. A picture is worth a thousand words. All the networks are replaying this video as part of their coverage of his guilty plea.

I think the Chiefs are hoping that his suspension will not be so substantial that he'll be able to return before the season ends and more importantly the playoffs. This may have influenced Rice pleading out now.but
Yourself are
If I were betting, I'd bet the over regarding a 8 game suspension.

I very much doubt the bolded.
No one died, he wasn’t caught under the influence, and he pleaded guilty.

Most folks I’ve read have suggested 4 games would be in line with past precedent. I haven’t seen anyone outside this topic suggest 1/2 a season.

Ray Rices wife didnt die either. Getting caught on video and being shown on the major networks multiple times raises his profile and the negative publicity for the NFL.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ray Rivers wife didn't die either. Getting caught on video and being shown on the major networks multiple times raises his profile and the negative publicity for the NFL.

Hey, it’s possible. I’m not as familiar with the BFLPA and what suspensions are available to Goodell these days.

This is a 1st offense. That usually helps. But again, I have no idea. I’d be very surprised by 8 games though.

Just about everything I’ve seen indicates 2-6 games. I agree with @JohnnyU that this will be a “drops the hammer” example opportunity by Goodell. But what that really means in terms of # of games I have no idea.

NFL policy seems to indicate 6 games:

Per the Conduct Policy, this definitely could fall into the 6-game baseline pictured below:

But Matt Derrick, the chiefs beat writer tweeted this:

I’ve been told by sources in the organization the Chiefs believe Rashee Rice may get a suspension of 2-4 games. Whether that is optimistic I can’t tell you for sure.

So if the chiefs believe it’s going to be 2-4, I’m inclined to go with that. If it’s 6, I’d think that would be Goodell “dropping the hammer”.

But we won’t know until we know, ya know?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sure has the vibes of a Goodell hammer at an Amish barn raising.

I think this is more what people want than what’s likely to happen, but hey, y’all could be right.

I don’t see it any less than the Ray Rice incident. People were injured and he walked away and it’s on video.

There’s video of Rashee but Ray Rice? That was video in italics.

Yeah no, the Ray Rice video was worse. It was a worse look for the league, and involved a football player beating a woman.

Hell, the Kamara video of beating an unconscious man was in some ways worse than the Rashee video.

Not defending Rice. Walking away from the scene of an accident you caused is a total D*** move. I’m just comparing videos.

You need a voice-over narrating what just happened for the Rashee video to look anywhere near as bad. The Ray video is entirely self-evident, and it’s not close.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ray Rivers wife didn't die either. Getting caught on video and being shown on the major networks multiple times raises his profile and the negative publicity for the NFL.

Hey, it’s possible. I’m not as familiar with the BFLPA and what suspensions are available to Goodell these days.

This is a 1st offense. That usually helps. But again, I have no idea. I’d be very surprised by 8 games though.

Just about everything I’ve seen indicates 2-6 games. I agree with @JohnnyU that this will be a “drops the hammer” example opportunity by Goodell. But what that really means in terms of # of games I have no idea.

NFL policy seems to indicate 6 games:

Per the Conduct Policy, this definitely could fall into the 6-game baseline pictured below:

But Matt Derrick, the chiefs beat writer tweeted this:

I’ve been told by sources in the organization the Chiefs believe Rashee Rice may get a suspension of 2-4 games. Whether that is optimistic I can’t tell you for sure.

So if the chiefs believe it’s going to be 2-4, I’m inclined to go with that. If it’s 6, I’d think that would be Goodell “dropping the hammer”.

But we won’t know until we know, ya know?

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

 

[JohnnyU]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

 

[rockaction]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

So that will likely be reflected. Ray Rice full-bore punched a smaller woman and dragged her out of the elevator she collapsed in while she was knocked out cold. Not even close, IMO.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

So that will likely be reflected. Ray Rice full-bore punched a smaller woman and dragged her out of the elevator she collapsed in while she was knocked out cold. Not even close, IMO.

Agreed.

What Rashee did was irresponsible, stupid, and selfish. But it was a panicked move by an immature kid who got into a car accident.

I don’t see it in the same universe as Ray Rice.

Both bad things. Neither ok. Ray much worse and a much much worse look for the league.

 

[JohnnyU]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

So that will likely be reflected. Ray Rice full-bore punched a smaller woman and dragged her out of the elevator she collapsed in while she was knocked out cold. Not even close, IMO.

Agreed.

What Rashee did was irresponsible, stupid, and selfish. But it was a panicked move by an immature kid who got into a car accident.

I don’t see it in the same universe as Ray Rice.

Both bad things. Neither ok. Ray much worse and a much much worse look for the league.

He hurt people by intentionally driving 100 mph and losing control. The same intent as those who drive drunk, gets in an accident, and someone is hurt. Just because a drunk driver didn’t intend for someone to get hurt, doesn’t lessen what he/she did, because in both cases negligence caused bodily injury. Drunk drivers serve jail time for hurting people. They don’t necessarily have to die. To me, this is just as bad as the Ray Rice incident. Plus Rashee Rice fled the scene to add to it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

From a Yahoo! sports article

Rice could be looking at a suspension between two and four games, based on prior NFL disciplinary precedent. The league typically sidelines players for three games without pay after their first driving under the influence arrest -- a process Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Jordan Addison is currently in the middle of. Alcohol wasn't a factor in Rice's case, but the specter of putting other drivers in harm's way may establish the baseline league executives use to determine his punishment.

Former Washington first round draft pick Jamin Davis escaped NFL discipline in 2024 after coming to a plea deal in a reckless driving case that net him 180 days in jail, all of which were suspended. However, Davis wasn't the catalyst behind an accident that caused bodily harm. The league has issued suspensions typically ranging from two to six games in cases involving parties injured by negligent or criminal behavior, leaving officials to determine where Rice's case lies.

So again, that 6 games sounds likely, it 2-4 is also possible.

If it’s 6, I would bet they’ll appeal it down to 4 based on pleading guilty. That other news report that he hasn’t paid the party he settled with yet may well haunt him on appeal if he hasn’t resolved it by then.

 

[efactor]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

So that will likely be reflected. Ray Rice full-bore punched a smaller woman and dragged her out of the elevator she collapsed in while she was knocked out cold. Not even close, IMO.

Agree that it's not even close, but only because of blind luck. He could have killed multiple people easily.

 

[JohnnyU]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

So that will likely be reflected. Ray Rice full-bore punched a smaller woman and dragged her out of the elevator she collapsed in while she was knocked out cold. Not even close, IMO.

Agree that it's not even close, but only because of blind luck. He could have killed multiple people easily.

Bring me up to speed on how many and how bad were people hurt?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He hurt people by intentionally driving 100 mph and losing control. The same intent as those who drive drunk, gets in an accident, and someone is hurt. Just because a drunk driver didn’t intend for someone to get hurt, doesn’t lessen the offense, because in both cases negligence caused bodily injury. Drunk drivers serve jail time for hurting people. They don’t necessarily have to die. To me, this is just as bad as the Ray Rice incident. Plus Rashee Rice fled the scene to add to it.

You’re preaching to the choir.

But we’re talking about his reprehensible behavior, not how the league might handle it, which are 2 different things.

He displayed terrible judgement. He drove recklessly, and likely under the influence (thought this can’t be proved so he won’t be punished for it).

He did not deliberately crash his vehicle. He didn’t deliberately hurt people. There’s a massive chasm between what he did and what Ray Rice did regardless of how you frame it.

Again, not defending Rashee at all. Just looking at it how I think the league will. They’ve had players do stupid reckless things before & we know how they’ve been punished for them.

I’d be absolutely shocked by anything over 6 games, and I still expect 4. I doubt it’ll be 2.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He could have killed multiple people easily.

But he didn’t.

He won’t be punished for what he could have done.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

Texas Transportation Code - TRANSP § 550.021. Collision Involving Personal Injury or Death​

(a) The operator of a vehicle involved in a collisionthat results or is reasonably likely to result in injury to or death of a person shall:

(1) immediately stop the vehicle at the scene of the collision or as close to the scene as possible;
(2) immediately return to the scene of the collision if the vehicle is not stopped at the scene of the collision;
(3) immediately determine whether a person is involved in the collision, and if a person is involved in the collision, whether that person requires aid; and
(4) remain at the scene of the collision until the operator complies with the requirements of Section 550.023.
(b) An operator of a vehicle required to stop the vehicle by Subsection (a) shall do so without obstructing traffic more than is necessary.
(c) A person commits an offense if the person does not stop or does not comply with the requirements of this section. An offense under this section:

(1) involving a collision resulting in:

(A) death of a person is a felony of the second degree; or
(B) serious bodily injury, as defined by Section 1.07, Penal Code, to a person is a felony of the third degree; and
(2) involving a collision resulting in injury to which Subdivision (1) does not apply is punishable by:

(A) imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for not more than five years or confinement in the county jail for not more than one year;
(B) a fine not to exceed $5,000; or
(C) both the fine and the imprisonment or confinement.