WR Rashee Rice, KC (2 Viewers)

[Marauder]

Ray Rice got the maximum suspension because it was caught on on video and everybody saw it. It's as simple as that. The NFL doesn't care about fairness they care about bad publicity.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

Texas Transportation Code - TRANSP § 550.021. Collision Involving Personal Injury or Death​

(a) The operator of a vehicle involved in a collisionthat results or is reasonably likely to result in injury to or death of a person shall:

(1) immediately stop the vehicle at the scene of the collision or as close to the scene as possible;
(2) immediately return to the scene of the collision if the vehicle is not stopped at the scene of the collision;
(3) immediately determine whether a person is involved in the collision, and if a person is involved in the collision, whether that person requires aid; and
(4) remain at the scene of the collision until the operator complies with the requirements of Section 550.023.
(b) An operator of a vehicle required to stop the vehicle by Subsection (a) shall do so without obstructing traffic more than is necessary.
(c) A person commits an offense if the person does not stop or does not comply with the requirements of this section. An offense under this section:

(1) involving a collision resulting in:

(A) death of a person is a felony of the second degree; or
(B) serious bodily injury, as defined by Section 1.07, Penal Code, to a person is a felony of the third degree; and
(2) involving a collision resulting in injury to which Subdivision (1) does not apply is punishable by:

(A) imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for not more than five years or confinement in the county jail for not more than one year;
(B) a fine not to exceed $5,000; or
(C) both the fine and the imprisonment or confinement.

Sorry, but what does any of that have to do with how many games the NFL might suspend him?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ray Rice got the maximum suspension because it was caught on on video and everybody saw it. It's as simple as that. The NFL doesn't care about fairness they care about bad publicity.

Ray Rice got the maximum suspension because he cold cocked a small woman in an elevator and dragged her unconscious body into the hall.

It was many degrees worse than Rice getting in an accident and leaving the scene.

It’s comparing apples to oranges. It minimizes what Ray did to compare it to what Rashee did and claim equivalence.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ray Rice got the maximum suspension because it was caught on on video and everybody saw it. It's as simple as that. The NFL doesn't care about fairness they care about bad publicity.

I thought the Rashee Rice incident was also caught on video? Plus the fleeing the scene?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I thought the Rashee Rice incident was also caught on video? Plus the fleeing the scene?

Fortunately for Rashee he did not also knock out a woman while he fled the scene.

 

[JohnnyU]

I thought the Rashee Rice incident was also caught on video? Plus the fleeing the scene?

Fortunately for Rashee he did not also knock out a woman while he fled the scene.

How hurt were the victims of the wreck?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

How hurt were the victims of the wreck?

No idea. There are varying reports.

For the suspension I’m not sure it matters. He crashed and acted irresponsibly. People were hurt. The legal process has concluded. Now he’ll be suspended for [indeterminate] number of games.

You’ve asked this question a couple times. What’s your point? Are you asserting that you believe he’ll get an indefinite suspension?

 

[smbkrypt24]

How hurt were the victims of the wreck?

No idea. There are varying reports.

For the suspension I’m not sure it matters. He crashed and acted irresponsibly. People were hurt. The legal process has concluded. Now he’ll be suspended for [indeterminate] number of games.

You’ve asked this question a couple times. What’s your point? Are you asserting that you believe he’ll get an indefinite suspension?

There were multiple people severely hurt in that accident caused by Rice and the other driver.

 

[efactor]

He could have killed multiple people easily.

But he didn’t.

He won’t be punished for what he could have done.

Never said he would be. I just said it wasn’t as bad as the Ray Rice incident only because of blind luck.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There were multiple people severely hurt in that accident caused by Rice and the other driver.

Yes, I am not disputing that at all.

Will Rice be suspended based on what the other driver did as well?

Never said he would be. I just said it wasn’t as bad as the Ray Rice incident only because of blind luck.

Again, totally agree with this. He (and those he injured) were very fortunate that this didn’t end much worse.

We saw how bad it can be with Ruggs.

Again, I sincerely hope he’s learned a valuable lesson from his close call.

 

[smbkrypt24]

There were multiple people severely hurt in that accident caused by Rice and the other driver.

Yes, I am not disputing that at all.

Will Rice be suspended based on what the other driver did as well?

Never said he would be. I just said it wasn’t as bad as the Ray Rice incident only because of blind luck.

Again, totally agree with this. He (and those he injured) were very fortunate that this didn’t end much worse.

We saw how bad it can be with Ruggs.

Again, I sincerely hope he’s learned a valuable lesson from his close call.

The problem seems to be the dismissive/arrogant way you post about the subject.
The best thing you could do is read about it, watch the video, listen to experts. Instead it seems like you throw stuff against the wall.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I thought the Rashee Rice incident was also caught on video? Plus the fleeing the scene?

Fortunately for Rashee he did not also knock out a woman while he fled the scene.

How hurt were the victims of the wreck?

From the reports I saw, 7 were injured. The most severe was a woman who was hospitalized with head, neck and back injuries.

That’s consistent with the charges against him related to the injuries: 1 count of causing serious bodily injury and 6 counts of causing injuries.

 

[JohnnyU]

I thought the Rashee Rice incident was also caught on video? Plus the fleeing the scene?

Fortunately for Rashee he did not also knock out a woman while he fled the scene.

How hurt were the victims of the wreck?

From the reports I saw, 7 were injured. The most severe was a woman who was hospitalized with head, neck and back injuries.

That’s consistent with the charges against him related to the injuries: 1 count of causing serious bodily injury and 6 counts of causing injuries.

Doesn’t sound less serious than the Rice incident as some feel it is. Both involved poor decision making that resulted in bodily harm,with the wreck causing more damage.

 

[Moonlight]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

Unlike Rashee, Ray Rice was never sentenced to jail. He was only charged with one felony.

One of the two felonies Rashee pled to was causing a collision that resulted in serious bodily injury.
The related civil suits refer to lacerations, disfigurement and head trauma.

 

[efactor]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

Unlike Rashee, Ray Rice was never sentenced to jail. He was only charged with one felony.

One of the two felonies Rashee pled to was causing a collision that resulted in serious bodily injury.
The related civil suits refer to lacerations, disfigurement and head trauma.

Head trauma isn’t considered a serious, bodily injury? Huh

 

[JohnnyU]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

Unlike Rashee, Ray Rice was never sentenced to jail. He was only charged with one felony.

One of the two felonies Rashee pled to was causing a collision that resulted in serious bodily injury.
The related civil suits refer to lacerations, disfigurement and head trauma.

….and Ray Rice gets run out of the league doing less physical harm than Rashee Rice. You tell me how many games should Rashee get?. As many as Ray got?

 

[JohnnyU]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

Unlike Rashee, Ray Rice was never sentenced to jail. He was only charged with one felony.

One of the two felonies Rashee pled to was causing a collision that resulted in serious bodily injury.
The related civil suits refer to lacerations, disfigurement and head trauma.

Head trauma isn’t considered a serious, bodily injury? Huh

The disfigurement part got to me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There were multiple people severely hurt in that accident caused by Rice and the other driver.

Yes, I am not disputing that at all.

Will Rice be suspended based on what the other driver did as well?

Never said he would be. I just said it wasn’t as bad as the Ray Rice incident only because of blind luck.

Again, totally agree with this. He (and those he injured) were very fortunate that this didn’t end much worse.

We saw how bad it can be with Ruggs.

Again, I sincerely hope he’s learned a valuable lesson from his close call.

The problem seems to be the dismissive/arrogant way you post about the subject.
The best thing you could do is read about it, watch the video, listen to experts. Instead it seems like you throw stuff against the wall.

Not at all. Not one bit. I have consistently said I am disgusted by his actions.

I’m saying to wait and see what his suspension is. I’ve thrown nothing against the wall. I’ve quoted the chiefs beat writer and yahoo sports on what they expect the suspension to be.

This is a whole lot of projection from you, friend. I’m done with this topic until an actual news-worthy thing happens.

See y’all on the other side. For the record, as I’ve said multiple times, I think what he did was awful. I hope everyone involved gets made right, and I hope Rice learns a lesson. If he’s suspended for a week or a month or a year he deserves it.

I’ve been consistent about that from the jump.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

Unlike Rashee, Ray Rice was never sentenced to jail. He was only charged with one felony.

One of the two felonies Rashee pled to was causing a collision that resulted in serious bodily injury.
The related civil suits refer to lacerations, disfigurement and head trauma.

Yikes. Hadn’t heard that part. That’s awful.

 

[JohnnyU]

He could have killed multiple people easily.

But he didn’t.

He won’t be punished for what he could have done.

He should be punished for what he did do. Seriously hurt several people and left without a care in the world, so they say.

 

[rockaction]

See y’all on the other side. For the record, as I’ve said multiple times, I think what he did was awful. I hope everyone involved gets made right, and I hope Rice learns a lesson. If he’s suspended for a week or a month or a year he deserves it.

I’ve been consistent about that from the jump

In my opinion, you indeed have been. I don’t see the problem with what you’ve been saying or how you’re saying it. I agree with you actually.

Sorry I didn’t chime in earlier. I was at dinner and only have a phone but “intent” and “negligence” are indeed the key words here. I’ll explain sometime soon.

 

[rockaction]

There were multiple people severely hurt in that accident caused by Rice and the other driver.

Yes, I am not disputing that at all.

Will Rice be suspended based on what the other driver did as well?

Never said he would be. I just said it wasn’t as bad as the Ray Rice incident only because of blind luck.

Again, totally agree with this. He (and those he injured) were very fortunate that this didn’t end much worse.

We saw how bad it can be with Ruggs.

Again, I sincerely hope he’s learned a valuable lesson from his close call.

The problem seems to be the dismissive/arrogant way you post about the subject.
The best thing you could do is read about it, watch the video, listen to experts. Instead it seems like you throw stuff against the wall.

I’d just like to say I don’t think this is accurate. Hot Sauce is right. Rashee will likely not get indefinitely suspended and then have nobody sign him.

It just wasn’t nearly as bad as what Ray Rice did because intentionally harming somebody is much worse than negligence and recklessness. Even gross negligence isn’t as bad as intentional harm done (depending slightly on the nature of the victim’s injuries and the action performed). But mens rea (guilty mind) is a key component of criminal law, and until automobiles, we generally didn’t hold people criminally responsible for negligence. We do now only because of the potential for the ultimate disaster, which is life and limb. Negligence is historically solved with civil trials (lawsuits).

But yeah, for a long time there needed to be two components satisfied for a crime to have been committed. Mens rea (a guilty mind) and actus reus (the autonomy to commit the act voluntarily). Negligence fails the first test, and it’s why negligence is a violation of a standard of care or a violation of a duty to someone connected to you for tort law, not for criminal law.

Ray Rice clearly satisfied both mens rea and actus reus. Common sense also tells you that abusing a woman in an elevator with wanton violence is worse than a negligent action and accident. C’mon people. Where we at here?

Peace. I’ll be here all the week.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

mens rea

I caught mens rea once. Doc gave me a shot & cleared right up.

 

[KellysHeroes]

30 Days in jail with 5 yrs proby... 2 3rd degree felonies with intent to cause serious bodily harm to others; and we're talking about 2 - 4... thats insane. The talk should begin with 10 then work its way down with 7 plus a HUGE fine. Had he stayed at the scene and began checking on people and helping until authorities got there... then maybe we can talk 4 games but this guy has zero remorse.

Anything less than a half a year's suspension would be a great surprise. Ray Rice ended up getting suspended indefinitely because his violent assault was caught on video. Rashes Rice's high speed reckless driving collision was also caught on video. This was compounded by his cold hearted non chalant walking away from the accident. Also caught on video. A picture is worth a thousand words. All the networks are replaying this video as part of their coverage of his guilty plea.

I think the Chiefs are hoping that his suspension will not be so substantial that he'll be able to return before the season ends and more importantly the playoffs. This may have influenced Rice pleading out now.but
Yourself are
If I were betting, I'd bet the over regarding a 8 game suspension.

I very much doubt the bolded.
No one died, he wasn’t caught under the influence, and he pleaded guilty.

Most folks I’ve read have suggested 4 games would be in line with past precedent. I haven’t seen anyone outside this topic suggest 1/2 a season.

Ray Rices wife didnt die either. Getting caught on video and being shown on the major networks multiple times raises his profile and the negative publicity for the NFL.

Hes not get Ray Rice treatment, they already showed that by showing KC favoritism once again and allowing Rashee to play last yr.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

So that will likely be reflected. Ray Rice full-bore punched a smaller woman and dragged her out of the elevator she collapsed in while she was knocked out cold. Not even close, IMO.

Agreed.

What Rashee did was irresponsible, stupid, and selfish. But it was a panicked move by an immature kid who got into a car accident.

I don’t see it in the same universe as Ray Rice.

Both bad things. Neither ok. Ray much worse and a much much worse look for the league.

He hurt people by intentionally driving 100 mph and losing control. The same intent as those who drive drunk, gets in an accident, and someone is hurt. Just because a drunk driver didn’t intend for someone to get hurt, doesn’t lessen what he/she did, because in both cases negligence caused bodily injury. Drunk drivers serve jail time for hurting people. They don’t necessarily have to die. To me, this is just as bad as the Ray Rice incident. Plus Rashee Rice fled the scene to add to it.

And more than likely under an influence of substance(s)

 

[Moonlight]

There were multiple people severely hurt in that accident caused by Rice and the other driver.

Yes, I am not disputing that at all.

Will Rice be suspended based on what the other driver did as well?

Never said he would be. I just said it wasn’t as bad as the Ray Rice incident only because of blind luck.

Again, totally agree with this. He (and those he injured) were very fortunate that this didn’t end much worse.

We saw how bad it can be with Ruggs.

Again, I sincerely hope he’s learned a valuable lesson from his close call.

The problem seems to be the dismissive/arrogant way you post about the subject.
The best thing you could do is read about it, watch the video, listen to experts. Instead it seems like you throw stuff against the wall.

I’d just like to say I don’t think this is accurate. Hot Sauce is right. Rashee will likely not get indefinitely suspended and then have nobody sign him.

It just wasn’t nearly as bad as what Ray Rice did because intentionally harming somebody is much worse than negligence and recklessness. Even gross negligence isn’t as bad as intentional harm done (depending slightly on the nature of the victim’s injuries and the action performed). But mens rea (guilty mind) is a key component of criminal law, and until automobiles, we generally didn’t hold people criminally responsible for negligence. We do now only because of the potential for the ultimate disaster, which is life and limb. Negligence is historically solved with civil trials (lawsuits).

But yeah, for a long time there needed to be two components satisfied for a crime to have been committed. Mens rea (a guilty mind) and actus reus (the autonomy to commit the act voluntarily). Negligence fails the first test, and it’s why negligence is a violation of a standard of care or a violation of a duty to someone connected to you for tort law, not for criminal law.

Ray Rice clearly satisfied both mens rea and actus reus. Common sense also tells you that abusing a woman in an elevator with wanton violence is worse than a negligent action and accident. C’mon people. Where we at here?

Peace. I’ll be here all the week.

This is a faulty argument.
There is a difference in the law between careless behavior and reckless behavior. They represent different degrees of culpability with recklessness being a higher level of culpability. Negligence is carelessness while recklessness is the intentional disregard of the known risks for harm.
Driving 119 miles an hour on a freeway while racing another car and weaving in and out of traffic is not negligence. Rice made a conscious decision to disregard the potential harm of his high risk behavior. This was not distracted driving. I would think the NFL may take this into account.

 

[smbkrypt24]

There were multiple people severely hurt in that accident caused by Rice and the other driver.

Yes, I am not disputing that at all.

Will Rice be suspended based on what the other driver did as well?

Never said he would be. I just said it wasn’t as bad as the Ray Rice incident only because of blind luck.

Again, totally agree with this. He (and those he injured) were very fortunate that this didn’t end much worse.

We saw how bad it can be with Ruggs.

Again, I sincerely hope he’s learned a valuable lesson from his close call.

The problem seems to be the dismissive/arrogant way you post about the subject.
The best thing you could do is read about it, watch the video, listen to experts. Instead it seems like you throw stuff against the wall.

I’d just like to say I don’t think this is accurate. Hot Sauce is right. Rashee will likely not get indefinitely suspended and then have nobody sign him.

It just wasn’t nearly as bad as what Ray Rice did because intentionally harming somebody is much worse than negligence and recklessness. Even gross negligence isn’t as bad as intentional harm done (depending slightly on the nature of the victim’s injuries and the action performed). But mens rea (guilty mind) is a key component of criminal law, and until automobiles, we generally didn’t hold people criminally responsible for negligence. We do now only because of the potential for the ultimate disaster, which is life and limb. Negligence is historically solved with civil trials (lawsuits).

But yeah, for a long time there needed to be two components satisfied for a crime to have been committed. Mens rea (a guilty mind) and actus reus (the autonomy to commit the act voluntarily). Negligence fails the first test, and it’s why negligence is a violation of a standard of care or a violation of a duty to someone connected to you for tort law, not for criminal law.

Ray Rice clearly satisfied both mens rea and actus reus. Common sense also tells you that abusing a woman in an elevator with wanton violence is worse than a negligent action and accident. C’mon people. Where we at here?

Peace. I’ll be here all the week.

My comparison wasn’t that he would get indefinitely suspended.
My post is in response to he wouldn’t get suspended at all this year, arguing with a Lawyer on how the process, not sure if there is video.
It all muddies a thread for people wanting information.
I don’t think it’s as bad as ray rice.

 

[rockaction]

There were multiple people severely hurt in that accident caused by Rice and the other driver.

Yes, I am not disputing that at all.

Will Rice be suspended based on what the other driver did as well?

Never said he would be. I just said it wasn’t as bad as the Ray Rice incident only because of blind luck.

Again, totally agree with this. He (and those he injured) were very fortunate that this didn’t end much worse.

We saw how bad it can be with Ruggs.

Again, I sincerely hope he’s learned a valuable lesson from his close call.

The problem seems to be the dismissive/arrogant way you post about the subject.
The best thing you could do is read about it, watch the video, listen to experts. Instead it seems like you throw stuff against the wall.

I’d just like to say I don’t think this is accurate. Hot Sauce is right. Rashee will likely not get indefinitely suspended and then have nobody sign him.

It just wasn’t nearly as bad as what Ray Rice did because intentionally harming somebody is much worse than negligence and recklessness. Even gross negligence isn’t as bad as intentional harm done (depending slightly on the nature of the victim’s injuries and the action performed). But mens rea (guilty mind) is a key component of criminal law, and until automobiles, we generally didn’t hold people criminally responsible for negligence. We do now only because of the potential for the ultimate disaster, which is life and limb. Negligence is historically solved with civil trials (lawsuits).

But yeah, for a long time there needed to be two components satisfied for a crime to have been committed. Mens rea (a guilty mind) and actus reus (the autonomy to commit the act voluntarily). Negligence fails the first test, and it’s why negligence is a violation of a standard of care or a violation of a duty to someone connected to you for tort law, not for criminal law.

Ray Rice clearly satisfied both mens rea and actus reus. Common sense also tells you that abusing a woman in an elevator with wanton violence is worse than a negligent action and accident. C’mon people. Where we at here?

Peace. I’ll be here all the week.

My comparison wasn’t that he would get indefinitely suspended.
My post is in response to he wouldn’t get suspended at all this year, arguing with a Lawyer on how the process, not sure if there is video.
It all muddies a thread for people wanting information.
I don’t think it’s as bad as ray rice.

Fair enough about the suspension length and the Ray Rice thing. I imputed positions to you that you don’t hold. My apologies.

Whether the thread’s contributors are contributing in an appropriate or helpful fashion is something we will disagree on, I guess.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My post is in response to he wouldn’t get suspended at all this year

Based 100% on the FBG attorney saying as much. And I said that several times. And I wasn’t alone.

arguing with a Lawyer on how the process,

Didn’t happen.

not sure if there is video.

That’s called honestly. Are you saying I’m supposed to say I know about something I don’t know? I didn’t know if there was video. If you have a problem with that it’s 100% a you problem.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Again, the NFL’s suspension decisions are made based not on severity of offense, but optics.

Remember that Ray Rice was given a 2-game ban until the video surfaced. Then Goodell changed his mind.

The Ray Rice incident was national news. Tons of people who did not follow the NFL closely knew about it. I don’t think this case is getting the same level of publicity.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

He needs to get 8-6 games, he has humiliated the NFL with his actions. I think it’s gross how celebrities and millionaires get away with anything.

In no way can Addison suspension be equal to Rice’s and the talk is 2-3 for him. So dunno about this 2-4 stuff. It seems awfully optimistic.

 

[JohnnyU]

He needs to get 8-6 games, he has humiliated the NFL with his actions. I think it’s gross how celebrities and millionaires get away with anything.

In no way can Addison suspension be equal to Rice’s and the talk is 2-3 for him. So dunno about this 2-4 stuff. It seems awfully optimistic.

The severity of what Rice did should earn him a year's suspension. Hell, he severely injured several people with complete disregard for human life with his reckless actions. Then to top it off he flees. How does that only deserve a 2-4 game suspension?

 

[scothawk]

He needs to get 8-6 games, he has humiliated the NFL with his actions. I think it’s gross how celebrities and millionaires get away with anything.

In no way can Addison suspension be equal to Rice’s and the talk is 2-3 for him. So dunno about this 2-4 stuff. It seems awfully optimistic.

The severity of what Rice did should earn him a year's suspension. Hell, he severely injured several people with complete disregard for human life with his reckless actions. Then to top it off he flees. How does that only deserve a 2-4 game suspension?

Didnt he flee taking a whole bunch of bags so we will never know what he was hiding? The law needs evidence to prosecute for what was in the bags if it was illegal, Judge Goodell however can punish for what he sees or feels.

Ignoring the bags, when taking account of the racing, the reckless driving, the injuries and the running away the NFL is likely to make a stance here. The Ruggs incident is still fresh in the kind.

I agree he merits a full year off and that's what I want. But I think he gets 8 games.

 

[efactor]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

So that will likely be reflected. Ray Rice full-bore punched a smaller woman and dragged her out of the elevator she collapsed in while she was knocked out cold. Not even close, IMO.

Agreed.

What Rashee did was irresponsible, stupid, and selfish. But it was a panicked move by an immature kid who got into a car accident.

I don’t see it in the same universe as Ray Rice.

Both bad things. Neither ok. Ray much worse and a much much worse look for the league.

He hurt people by intentionally driving 100 mph and losing control. The same intent as those who drive drunk, gets in an accident, and someone is hurt. Just because a drunk driver didn’t intend for someone to get hurt, doesn’t lessen what he/she did, because in both cases negligence caused bodily injury. Drunk drivers serve jail time for hurting people. They don’t necessarily have to die. To me, this is just as bad as the Ray Rice incident. Plus Rashee Rice fled the scene to add to it.

And more than likely under an influence of substance(s)

Absolutely he was. No other reason to grab a couple bags and head for the sidelines. It was a very quick decision too. There was no debate about staying or leaving.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He needs to get 8-6 games, he has humiliated the NFL with his actions. I think it’s gross how celebrities and millionaires get away with anything.

In no way can Addison suspension be equal to Rice’s and the talk is 2-3 for him. So dunno about this 2-4 stuff. It seems awfully optimistic.

From everything i’ve read, Addison will likely get 3, possibly reduced to 2 on appeal. That would align with precedent.

What’s odd is Addison plead not guilty and is fighting it. Some DUI’s have resulted in no suspension. So Addison is considered 0-3 games. Again, from what I’ve read.

 

[JohnnyU]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

So that will likely be reflected. Ray Rice full-bore punched a smaller woman and dragged her out of the elevator she collapsed in while she was knocked out cold. Not even close, IMO.

Agreed.

What Rashee did was irresponsible, stupid, and selfish. But it was a panicked move by an immature kid who got into a car accident.

I don’t see it in the same universe as Ray Rice.

Both bad things. Neither ok. Ray much worse and a much much worse look for the league.

He hurt people by intentionally driving 100 mph and losing control. The same intent as those who drive drunk, gets in an accident, and someone is hurt. Just because a drunk driver didn’t intend for someone to get hurt, doesn’t lessen what he/she did, because in both cases negligence caused bodily injury. Drunk drivers serve jail time for hurting people. They don’t necessarily have to die. To me, this is just as bad as the Ray Rice incident. Plus Rashee Rice fled the scene to add to it.

And more than likely under an influence of substance(s)

Absolutely he was. No other reason to grab a couple bags and head for the sidelines. It was a very quick decision too. There was no debate about saying or leaving.

I think people need to take off their fantasy football hats and look at this differently. Those that have him in fantasy can't look at this objectively. Nor can those who don't have him, but are still looking at this from a fantasy football perspective. I think we should be looking at this from a Goodell / NFL optic angle. Sure, the NFL doesn't always hand out the correct justice, but several people were severely injured. If you look at it with what should happen, then a year suspension is justified. Getting anything less is a slap in the face of those that were injured. If it's anything less than a year, and it probably will, then how much does the NFL really care about their image? Let alone giving the victims the justice they deserve. I hope there isn't any Chiefs favortism involved with this. I hope Goodell is above that, but I'm unsure.

 

[rockaction]

He needs to get 8-6 games, he has humiliated the NFL with his actions. I think it’s gross how celebrities and millionaires get away with anything.

In no way can Addison suspension be equal to Rice’s and the talk is 2-3 for him. So dunno about this 2-4 stuff. It seems awfully optimistic.

The severity of what Rice did should earn him a year's suspension. Hell, he severely injured several people with complete disregard for human life with his reckless actions. Then to top it off he flees. How does that only deserve a 2-4 game suspension?

You misread him, I think. Canadian is saying that’s not enough.

 

[Dez]

Traded for my 1st ever share just now hope it proves to be wise

What did u give up?

DK Metcalf
Sam Darnold
2026 2nd

I wonder if I had waited if I could have got Rice cheaper now than the Metcalf, Darnold, 2026 2nd in my 16 team league.

This guy put Rice on the forum blast saying he was going to trade him and was accepting offers so there may not have been a waiting period.

He may have taken another offer that was worse than mine had I not made it.

The only real concern for dynasty isn't the first 4-6 games suspended it is what if he does something else and gets a year long ban or something later.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Traded for my 1st ever share just now hope it proves to be wise

What did u give up?

DK Metcalf
Sam Darnold
2026 2nd

I wonder if I had waited if I could have got Rice cheaper now than the Metcalf, Darnold, 2026 2nd in my 16 team league.

This guy put Rice on the forum blast saying he was going to trade him and was accepting offers so there may not have been a waiting period.

He may have taken another offer that was worse than mine had I not made it.

The only real concern for dynasty isn't the first 4-6 games suspended it is what if he does something else and gets a year long ban or something later.

If he violates his probation by doing something else, a longer suspension from the NFL will be the least of both Rice’s and his FF owners’ worries.

 

[Rubi]

CBS Sports thinks it will be 8 games and he will accept it and move on

 

[Instinctive]

How long does it take to get the suspension down? Feels weird because it is offseason. I'm kind of surprised the NFL hasn't just handed it out yet. They knew it was coming. They had someone already write up the memo and find the caselaw (within their CBA, prior suspensions, disputes, etc) and write up how many it should be and why, plus what the maximum would be defensibly if he decided to appeal it.

Should be easy to go ahead and do it. So I wonder what is holding them up.


ETA: I think his ADP is falling, and it could fall more while people freak out about how long it could be. During that time, I think we get the greatest value. Once the games are settled, especially if it's on the lower side of fears, his ADP will slowly rise again as people realize 4 missed games isn't a big deal early in season.

 

[Dez]

CBS Sports thinks it will be 8 games and he will accept it and move on

I am guessing 6 games

 

[menobrown]

Someone tell me how this is less than what Ray Rice did, whose suspension was indefinite?

Well, he didn’t KTFO a woman in an elevator then drag her into a hallway. So there’s that.

Now, is what Rashee did just as bad morally? Probably yeah. I just don’t see it as apples to apples for the player conduct policy. But hey, we’ll find out I guess.

I would be shocked by an indefinite suspension for Rashee though.

How bad were people hurt. Worse than the woman Rice hit?

The deliberate nature of the punishable conduct is different. There’s a longstanding tradition in Anglo and American law also and that is that we don’t punish people for failing to aid someone because of our reluctance to compel an affirmative action (not the preference in admissions or jobs).

So that will likely be reflected. Ray Rice full-bore punched a smaller woman and dragged her out of the elevator she collapsed in while she was knocked out cold. Not even close, IMO.

Agreed.

What Rashee did was irresponsible, stupid, and selfish. But it was a panicked move by an immature kid who got into a car accident.

I don’t see it in the same universe as Ray Rice.

Both bad things. Neither ok. Ray much worse and a much much worse look for the league.

He hurt people by intentionally driving 100 mph and losing control. The same intent as those who drive drunk, gets in an accident, and someone is hurt. Just because a drunk driver didn’t intend for someone to get hurt, doesn’t lessen what he/she did, because in both cases negligence caused bodily injury. Drunk drivers serve jail time for hurting people. They don’t necessarily have to die. To me, this is just as bad as the Ray Rice incident. Plus Rashee Rice fled the scene to add to it.

And more than likely under an influence of substance(s)

Absolutely he was. No other reason to grab a couple bags and head for the sidelines. It was a very quick decision too. There was no debate about saying or leaving.

I think people need to take off their fantasy football hats and look at this differently. Those that have him in fantasy can't look at this objectively. Nor can those who don't have him, but are still looking at this from a fantasy football perspective. I think we should be looking at this from a Goodell / NFL optic angle. Sure, the NFL doesn't always hand out the correct justice, but several people were severely injured. If you look at it with what should happen, then a year suspension is justified. Getting anything less is a slap in the face of those that were injured. If it's anything less than a year, and it probably will, then how much does the NFL really care about their image? Let alone giving the victims the justice they deserve. I hope there isn't any Chiefs favortism involved with this. I hope Goodell is above that, but I'm unsure.

If they thought the optics of Rice were bad they'd have buried him on in the exempt list. Reality is there is no public outcry to see punishment meted out severely on Rice, no people up in arms in a way if a player violated a female sexually or physically and the NFL had to deal with women's groups saying the NFL does not care about women.

Suspensions have always been heavily PR based, as you said it's not correct justice.

I don't know what he's going to get but I feel pretty safe saying his suspension won't fit the crime.

 

[joey]

Would only draft him as my WR3 or 4 in the 7th/8th round in a 12 team redraft. And that’s only if my WR1 and WR2 are absolute studs that I’m very confident in and don’t have injury history at all. Ie. They don’t even get the flu.



(Assuming start 3 WRs)

CBS Sports thinks it will be 8 games and he will accept it and move on

Maybe I was being optimistic with my 7th/8th round estimate.
If the suspension is 6-8 games, we’re starting to talk 12-15th round flier to take up a bench roster spot (assuming your IR slots don’t allow suspended players) for half your season.

 

[travdogg]

If they thought the optics of Rice were bad they'd have buried him on in the exempt list. Reality is there is no public outcry to see punishment meted out severely on Rice, no people up in arms in a way if a player violated a female sexually or physically and the NFL had to deal with women's groups saying the NFL does not care about women.

Suspensions have always been heavily PR based, as you said it's not correct justice.

I don't know what he's going to get but I feel pretty safe saying his suspension won't fit the crime.

I do wonder if the reason why there isn't more public outcry, is because Rice wasn't playing last season. If he'd have been playing and putting up the numbers he put up the first few games last season, I think he would have been much more in the spotlight, especially in the playoffs/Super Bowl. In a roundabout way, his knee injury could have been good for him.

 

[smbkrypt24]

My post is in response to he wouldn’t get suspended at all this year

Based 100% on the FBG attorney saying as much. And I said that several times. And I wasn’t alone.

arguing with a Lawyer on how the process,

Didn’t happen.

not sure if there is video.

That’s called honestly. Are you saying I’m supposed to say I know about something I don’t know? I didn’t know if there was video. If you have a problem with that it’s 100% a you problem.

You are right. That is on me. I prefer to be educated about a topic I am discussing. I falsely applied that to you as a poster when I shouldn't assume you want the same thing.
My apologies. I will do better.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My post is in response to he wouldn’t get suspended at all this year

Based 100% on the FBG attorney saying as much. And I said that several times. And I wasn’t alone.

arguing with a Lawyer on how the process,

Didn’t happen.

not sure if there is video.

That’s called honestly. Are you saying I’m supposed to say I know about something I don’t know? I didn’t know if there was video. If you have a problem with that it’s 100% a you problem.

You are right. That is on me. I prefer to be educated about a topic I am discussing. I falsely applied that to you as a poster when I shouldn't assume you want the same thing.
My apologies. I will do better.

I also prefer that. Which is (again) why I said “I don’t know” about something I didn’t know about.

But hey, way to make personal attacks on the forums despite explicit rules against that. Fits your pattern of lying about what others said, too.

Maybe be better on that, too. Meanwhile I’ll put you on ignore. Long overdue, you’re consistently one of the worst posters on the forum.

 

[menobrown]

The one thing that would really suck for his FF owners if he got 8 games is that they bye in week 10. At that point since because he's had such a long absence and limited practice time it would take a lot of confidence in him or low confidence in your other options to actually put him in your lineup in week 9 and then he goes away after that until week 11.

I don't think he's going to get 8 games, but then again I got no idea. I'm guessing 4-6, but anything between 2-8 would not blow me over unexpectedly.

 

[JohnnyU]

The one thing that would really suck for his FF owners if he got 8 games is that they bye in week 10. At that point since because he's had such a long absence and limited practice time it would take a lot of confidence in him or low confidence in your other options to actually put him in your lineup in week 9 and then he goes away after that until week 11.

I don't think he's going to get 8 games, but then again I got no idea. I'm guessing 4-6, but anything between 2-8 would not blow me over unexpectedly.

Look at the bright side, he probably will be available during the FF playoffs.

 

[Dez]

Would only draft him as my WR3 or 4 in the 7th/8th round in a 12 team redraft. And that’s only if my WR1 and WR2 are absolute studs that I’m very confident in and don’t have injury history at all. Ie. They don’t even get the flu.



(Assuming start 3 WRs)

CBS Sports thinks it will be 8 games and he will accept it and move on

Maybe I was being optimistic with my 7th/8th round estimate.
If the suspension is 6-8 games, we’re starting to talk 12-15th round flier to take up a bench roster spot (assuming your IR slots don’t allow suspended players) for half your season.

If he gets 6 games there is no chance you get him in round 12