WR Roy Williams feels like he's "a role player" (1 Viewer)

[JPeso]

If Roy was a team player, he'd keep his mouth shut, play hard, and know that GM's of other teams realize that he is talented and that he'll make enough next year to "get by" if he stays or if he goes.

If the Lions were winning games, I'd agree.

 

[gman74]

Since it does not seem you guys watched the game. Calvin other than a bad drop on a cross pattern looked great. Roy had at least 3 bad drops and did not look like he was in the game mentally. Roy drops way 2 many passes. Bottom line if Roy wants to be elite he needs to start wrapping those big hands around the ball when it comes his way.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Since it does not seem you guys watched the game. Calvin other than a bad drop on a cross pattern looked great. Roy had at least 3 bad drops and did not look like he was in the game mentally. Roy drops way 2 many passes. Bottom line if Roy wants to be elite he needs to start wrapping those big hands around the ball when it comes his way.

Well put.

 

[Ripleys]

I watched the game and yes, Roy has NOTHING to complain about. He made multiple drops, to Calvin's one. And I'm sorry, but Calvin is bigger, taller, and faster than Roy. I'm pretty sure he is the Bionic Man.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Since it does not seem you guys watched the game. Calvin other than a bad drop on a cross pattern looked great. Roy had at least 3 bad drops and did not look like he was in the game mentally. Roy drops way 2 many passes. Bottom line if Roy wants to be elite he needs to start wrapping those big hands around the ball when it comes his way.

If Roy Williams wants the ball more, the easiest way to get it would be to catch it when it's thrown to him.

 

[Spartans Rule]

You'd think that Detroit would realize with the talent on offense they should be a pass first offense regardless of the score. Roy should be receiving more targets. He has shown his skills on the field. I love Calvin, but I also love Roy. I own both in different leagues. I hope Roy leaves after this from a fantasy perspective.

Uhh... Detroit has thrown 78 times this year and run 33. While a lot of that is out of necessity, I think the Lions realize they should be passing.The last thing the Lions need to do is throw more to a receiver who can't catch.

 

[Mene]

As a local who has watched Roy's entire career so far, I view him as an underachiever. I've always felt he's an elite talent, and he's flashed it many times, but he also seems to lack focus on the field. The drops aren't just this season, he's always been one to drop easy ones, usually where he starts to run before seeing the ball in. Again in my opinion, he also has shown at times to be lazy on routes.

I'm a fan however, I find him to be a funny and engaging player every time he's on TV or interviewed, but he holds himself back. I think he's another guy that will shine once he gets away from Detroit. I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired, and we can try again to get something remotely close to a productive front office. Assuming this happens, no way Roy is franchised. If Millen is back, then yeah, I can see this joke of a team having that much money tied into your top 2 WR's on a team with holes at every other position.

They really make me sick.

Disgruntled Lions Fan

 

[BobbyLayne]

from the article...

Asked if he had himself on his fantasy team, Williams said: “Heck, no.” Asked if he had teammate Calvin Johnson, Williams said: “Yeah, I got Calvin.”

There was actually a draft on ESPN that was televised in which Roy was a part of. He in fact did take himself.

Calvin went 8 picks before Roy in that mockery of a draft.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired

Just curious... why do people still think this is possible?Matt Millen has not only failed as Lions GM, he has failed on a grand historical scale. He's the worst GM in the history of the NFL, if not all sports. If there was even the slightest correlation between on-field performance and Millen's job security, he would've been gone a long time ago.The Lions could go 0-16 this year and Millen wouldn't get fired. Guaranteed.Maybe if he got convicted of a felony he'd be fired, but even then the Fords might let him run the team from prison.

 

[FFdork]

Roy should shut up, play hard, and, as others have pointed out, catch the bleeping ball. Teams will start rolling coverage towards Calvin and more balls will start coming his way. Showing some character will help him cash in during free agency too.

Oh, and people that think it's up in the air on who has more talent between CJ and Roy are either card carrying Roy fan club members or (more likely) Roy owners. It's a pretty wide margin already despite the fact that Calvin is still learning the position at the NFL level, and Roy is a very talented receiver. Now, that isn't the only thing that decides who has a better career? No.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired

Just curious... why do people still think this is possible?Matt Millen has not only failed as Lions GM, he has failed on a grand historical scale. He's the worst GM in the history of the NFL, if not all sports. If there was even the slightest correlation between on-field performance and Millen's job security, he would've been gone a long time ago.

The Lions could go 0-16 this year and Millen wouldn't get fired. Guaranteed.

Maybe if he got convicted of a felony he'd be fired, but even then the Fords might let him run the team from prison.

I take it you are too young to remember Russ Thomas.

 

[HoTnickZ]

What is the discrepancy in targets between the two?

 

[Spartans Rule]

I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired

Just curious... why do people still think this is possible?Matt Millen has not only failed as Lions GM, he has failed on a grand historical scale. He's the worst GM in the history of the NFL, if not all sports. If there was even the slightest correlation between on-field performance and Millen's job security, he would've been gone a long time ago.

The Lions could go 0-16 this year and Millen wouldn't get fired. Guaranteed.

Maybe if he got convicted of a felony he'd be fired, but even then the Fords might let him run the team from prison.

I take it you are too young to remember Russ Thomas.

I remember the name, but I was too little to know much about him. But I do know this:

In 23 years, Russ Thomas had a record of 145-184-9 (.441 winning percentage). He had 6 winning seasons and 3 .500 seasons.

In 7+ years, Matt Millen has a record of 31-83 (.272 winning percentage). He has never had a .500 or better season.

Of course, the case of Russ Thomas does underscore my point about Millen... the Lions won't fire an incompetent GM.

 

[wingm@n]

He'll get more looks as teams begin to game plan for Calvin.

Roy needs to be the Cris Carter to Calvin's Randy Moss-esque game changing presence.

 

[HoTnickZ]

And I thought Roy was pimping Calvin, now it's just going to be downright uncomfortable. Kind of like LJ and Charles.

 

[BigJim®]

Very weird comments from Roy given his prior comments re: Calvin. I personally think Roy is a suitable #1 for most teams if he can catch the ball, but this is a little analogous to Chester Taylor whining that Adrian Peterson has turned him into a change of pace RB. It's awfully hard to complain about a guy who has taken advantage of everything thrown to him.

 

[TitusIII]

As a local who has watched Roy's entire career so far, I view him as an underachiever. I've always felt he's an elite talent, and he's flashed it many times, but he also seems to lack focus on the field. The drops aren't just this season, he's always been one to drop easy ones, usually where he starts to run before seeing the ball in. Again in my opinion, he also has shown at times to be lazy on routes. I'm a fan however, I find him to be a funny and engaging player every time he's on TV or interviewed, but he holds himself back. I think he's another guy that will shine once he gets away from Detroit. I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired, and we can try again to get something remotely close to a productive front office. Assuming this happens, no way Roy is franchised. If Millen is back, then yeah, I can see this joke of a team having that much money tied into your top 2 WR's on a team with holes at every other position. They really make me sick.Disgruntled Lions Fan

As much as it pains Lions fans, Roy will probably turn into an absolute superstar if/when he leaves for a team with a real QB/offensive system...Guy takes plays off, andI believe he absolutely hates his situation....with that said, he could easily coast for the rest of his career, but I just don't see that happening. He would be "sick" with Romo or McNabb

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Roy needs to shut up and play. He has had several drops already. Maybe if he had caught them the targets would have been higher. It's hard to have confidence in your WR when they drop passes.

 

[FavreCo]

Attention, Roy Williams. You are not Calvin Johnson. You are not 1/2 Calvin Johnson.You ARE a role player. You drop passes right in your hands. Now shut up and block downdield for Calvin.

 

[Manster]

so calvin score two TD's in week 2 and Roy is a "role player". ok, so play your role, and kick that roles ###!! seems like Roy needs someone to play the worlds smallest violin for him.

 

[mt99808]

First of all with Kitna as the QB these guys are always going to underachieve. The 3 Int's aside, Kitna is absolutely terrible ... no arm strength, no accuracy, no poise in the pocket, no mobility .... he's just terrible.

Secondly like others have mentioned Roy's gotta catch the ball when its thrown to him .. and when he does do something with it. Both of CJ's TD's weren't red zone looks ... he made something happen after the catch.

 

[Rockchild]

As a local who has watched Roy's entire career so far, I view him as an underachiever. I've always felt he's an elite talent, and he's flashed it many times, but he also seems to lack focus on the field. The drops aren't just this season, he's always been one to drop easy ones, usually where he starts to run before seeing the ball in. Again in my opinion, he also has shown at times to be lazy on routes.

I'm a fan however, I find him to be a funny and engaging player every time he's on TV or interviewed, but he holds himself back. I think he's another guy that will shine once he gets away from Detroit. I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired, and we can try again to get something remotely close to a productive front office. Assuming this happens, no way Roy is franchised. If Millen is back, then yeah, I can see this joke of a team having that much money tied into your top 2 WR's on a team with holes at every other position.

They really make me sick.

Disgruntled Lions Fan

IIRC, that was the knock on him coming out of college.

 

[W1cked]

I dont blame him one bit. He is as gifted as almost any wide receiver in the league and he has been totally misused most of his NFL career. Then they bring in Calvin and force feed him the ball as a rookie when he clearly wasn't ready.

Problem is Roy Williams thinks he is better than he really is... How many times over the years has Roy Williams claimed he was going to have a big day..runs his mouth and is shut down? More times than I can count. He was talking up Calvin all preseason and now he is whining about not getting the ball? Roy Williams also drops his fair share of "easy" catches... He's not consistent enough to be a elite WR. Force feed Calvin last season? Yea, they did it a few games. The Thanksgiving game was one of them. It didn't happen much in the first half of 2007. There were plenty of times the Lions were in 3 WR sets and Calvin wasn't even on the field. As for Roy Williams fantasy team. He claimed last year he was on his fantasy teams. If he says he don't this year... I guess he got smart and drafted someone else... just like I did. Hey at least he was smart enough to draft Calvin. Then again he probably draft Kitna too.

 

[W1cked]

I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired, and we can try again to get something remotely close to a productive front office. Assuming this happens, no way Roy is franchised. If Millen is back, then yeah, I can see this joke of a team having that much money tied into your top 2 WR's on a team with holes at every other position. They really make me sick.Disgruntled Lions Fan

The only way I see Millen fired is if the Lions don't win a game and the Fire Millen PR continues to grow... people have to stop going to the game. If the seats are filled. the Ford's don't care if the Lions win or lose. Anything else and they will just shuffle the coaching staff again. An even if Millen is fired... have the Ford's given you any confidence since they owned the team that they will hire someone who has a track record and knows what they are dping? Hell they could hire Tony Sirgusa.

 

[cacksman]

Roy Williams said Monday that he's "(ticked) off" and feels he's "a role player right now" in the Lions' new offense. Williams has six catches for 95 yards through two weeks. "In Mike Martz’s system, I would have had at least 10 to 12 balls come my way," he said. "Three balls a week, that’s not going to cut it." Asked if his diminishing targets are due to Calvin Johnson's emergence, Williams replied "Yeah, I think so." Source: Detroit Free Press Come on Roy, you knew this was coming...

Dammit Roy, stop saying dumb things or else Ruskell is not going to want to trade for you!

 

[Addai's Adidas]

I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired, and we can try again to get something remotely close to a productive front office. Assuming this happens, no way Roy is franchised. If Millen is back, then yeah, I can see this joke of a team having that much money tied into your top 2 WR's on a team with holes at every other position. They really make me sick.Disgruntled Lions Fan

The only way I see Millen fired is if the Lions don't win a game and the Fire Millen PR continues to grow... people have to stop going to the game. If the seats are filled. the Ford's don't care if the Lions win or lose. Anything else and they will just shuffle the coaching staff again. An even if Millen is fired... have the Ford's given you any confidence since they owned the team that they will hire someone who has a track record and knows what they are dping? Hell they could hire Tony Sirgusa.

I was at the game yesterday. 80% of the "club level" seats (200 level) were empty.

 

[valhallan]

Is it possible Roy just reached this level of impatience before Calvin? If Calvin is really such a star, won't he also realize that his career is being wasted in Detroit?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

from the article...

Asked if he had himself on his fantasy team, Williams said: “Heck, no.” Asked if he had teammate Calvin Johnson, Williams said: “Yeah, I got Calvin.”

 

[yinzer]

As a local who has watched Roy's entire career so far, I view him as an underachiever. I've always felt he's an elite talent, and he's flashed it many times, but he also seems to lack focus on the field. The drops aren't just this season, he's always been one to drop easy ones, usually where he starts to run before seeing the ball in. Again in my opinion, he also has shown at times to be lazy on routes. I'm a fan however, I find him to be a funny and engaging player every time he's on TV or interviewed, but he holds himself back. I think he's another guy that will shine once he gets away from Detroit. I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired, and we can try again to get something remotely close to a productive front office. Assuming this happens, no way Roy is franchised. If Millen is back, then yeah, I can see this joke of a team having that much money tied into your top 2 WR's on a team with holes at every other position. They really make me sick.Disgruntled Lions Fan

As much as it pains Lions fans, Roy will probably turn into an absolute superstar if/when he leaves for a team with a real QB/offensive system...Guy takes plays off, andI believe he absolutely hates his situation....with that said, he could easily coast for the rest of his career, but I just don't see that happening. He would be "sick" with Romo or McNabb

I agree with Mene 100%...barring injuries and taking plays off, I think hes 1 of the 20 best WRs in the gameI had him on a lot of my teams the last couple years, but this year invested in Calvin 100% over him. Got Calvin on most teams, didnt take Roy-W once because he typically went very close after Calvin.I think Roy's a talent, and IMO, DET is better off with him bc he def distracts coverage from Megatron. Yeah, maybe they double Megatron more soon, but having a guy like Roy-W on the other side def helps him more than hurts...and I agree w him pimping his own given nickname 'Megatron' for his fellow WR a yr ago, and now hes salty about it...gimma a break

 

[Enforcer]

We'll take him in Seattle.

Please.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Boldin and Fitzgerald seem to share quite well without a great running game. I wouldn't be suprised to see Roy have a couple 6-70-1 games in a row while Calvin goes 3-35 etc.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm hoping as a Lions fan, that this year is such a disaster that Millen and Co. have to be fired

Just curious... why do people still think this is possible?Matt Millen has not only failed as Lions GM, he has failed on a grand historical scale. He's the worst GM in the history of the NFL, if not all sports. If there was even the slightest correlation between on-field performance and Millen's job security, he would've been gone a long time ago.

The Lions could go 0-16 this year and Millen wouldn't get fired. Guaranteed.

Maybe if he got convicted of a felony he'd be fired, but even then the Fords might let him run the team from prison.

I take it you are too young to remember Russ Thomas.

I remember the name, but I was too little to know much about him. But I do know this:

In 23 years, Russ Thomas had a record of 145-184-9 (.441 winning percentage). He had 6 winning seasons and 3 .500 seasons.

In 7+ years, Matt Millen has a record of 31-83 (.272 winning percentage). He has never had a .500 or better season.

Of course, the case of Russ Thomas does underscore my point about Millen... the Lions won't fire an incompetent GM.

Yup...it's always the same issue with that franchise...the one constant in 51 years and counting has been the ownership (technically they only get credit for the last 47, but just sayin'...).As a Sparty you must remember Darryl Rogers. His comment in his last season as coach sums it up:

'What does a coach have to do around here to get fired?

18-40...succeeded by the winningest coach in Lions history...drumroll...Wayne Fontes (who also holds the club record for most losses).Thomas didn't make as many stupid personnel decisions as Millen - his first draft was Lem Barney and Mel Farr, who won defensive/offensive RoY in 1967 - but he was a piece of work. 42 years with the team, he was a petty man who never should have been promoted past Controller/Accountant or maybe Traveling Secretary. He was never interested in building a winner; his goal was simply to keep salaries down. Everyone in the organization, from players to coaches to folks who worked in admin, hated working for him. Absolutely clueless as an evaluator of talent, and a miserable person.

 

[FUBAR]

Too bad he's not a role model.

Are the Lions the lovable losers, or does nobody give a damn about this team? You can't hate them, if you love them, you're a better man than I.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I've come to believe that Roy Williams is the ultimate WR dyno queen. Fellow Detroit car guys you know what I am taking about. He's like a supercar that is capable of huge horsepower numbers but it rarely translates to elite times at the track. Roy is the high maintenance Ferrari that gets smoked by the Mustang in the quarter mile.

 

[HoTnickZ]

I definitely wouldn't want Roy on my team if he was to be one of the guys. He's looked foolish many times before instead of letting his play do the talking.

 

[Scooby1974]

I dont blame him one bit. He is as gifted as almost any wide receiver in the league and he has been totally misused most of his NFL career. Then they bring in Calvin and force feed him the ball as a rookie when he clearly wasn't ready. Everyone around here loves Calvin, but let's not go getting our panties in a bunch just yet. Let's see what he can do before we annoint him the next Jerry Rice. Many other teams utilize 2 phenomenal receivers. I think it would benefit both Roy and Calvin and the team as a whole to feed off of eachother, but it seems like Detroit is hell-bent on making Calvin the face of the Lions because they think he can generate more money for the franchise.

Roy has made his crybaby bed...and now he gets to sleep in it. I hope he DOES get franchised this year.As for panties in a bunch, talk to Roy, he's the one with the camel-toe.If Roy was a team player, he'd keep his mouth shut, play hard, and know that GM's of other teams realize that he is talented and that he'll make enough next year to "get by" if he stays or if he goes.

Roy is anything but a cry baby, as you said. He has played on the worst team in football his entire career and NEVER said a negative word. His coaches and management are the laughing stock of the league and Roy just keeps on playing hard and doing what he is told. He is also one of the most well-respected players in the league and he happens to be a really funny guy. He is an ultra talented Receiver and he deserves to be involved just as heavily in that offense as Calvin Johnson. He is the very definition of team player. Please for our sake, but mostly yours, do not post your opinion on players and situations which you clearly have no knowledge about.Geez Louise, didn't realize Roy's subjective Dad trolled the FBG Shark Pool...I guess the joke between Kevin Jones and Roy was just silly on his part, not meant to show up the coaches, management, etc? I guess complaining that Calvin is getting more catches isn't really him complaining and being a crybaby? I'll stop now because going on and on is futile.