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WR Sammy Watkins, BAL (2 Viewers)

Steve Tasker said:
Not currently snowing here (20 mins north of the stadium) and everything I'm hearing is that there is a minor chance of snow but nothing wild.  Hasn't snowed all morning.  Shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as last week in terms of snow.  The temperature could be a factor...should be about 25 at kickoff and steadily drop during the game into the teens by game's end.
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Steve Tasker said:
Not currently snowing here (20 mins north of the stadium) and everything I'm hearing is that there is a minor chance of snow but nothing wild.  Hasn't snowed all morning.  Shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as last week in terms of snow.  The temperature could be a factor...should be about 25 at kickoff and steadily drop during the game into the teens by game's end.
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Thanks man! How's the wind though? That's a bigger concern....

 
MattFancy said:
What about wind?
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The way the stadium is built kinda creates its own little world in terms of wind.  The winds kinda swirl inside the stadium, and it's not uncommon for the goalpost flags to show the wind blowing in two wildly-different directions at either end of the field.

This is my way of saying that there is virtually no wind currently at my house, but that doesn't mean there won't be wind during the game.  I haven't heard any outrageous wind predictions and would treat it like any other Buffalo home game in December....the weather isn't optimal but it shouldn't have a marked impact on the players today.

 
Too many bad memories of Watkins past.  Crowder is tied with him w/o a snap.  Sorry to those that got Charlie Brown'd by him again :(

-QG

 
need2know said:
Brown, watkins, and Effert going for me so far.   :X
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Also got burned by Watkins and Eifert.  Eifert doesn't hurt as bad because he was a consensus top choice.  Nothing I can do about that.  Watkins I agonized over all Sunday morning, going back and forth between him and Inman.  Playing Watkins cost me a championship appearance.   :ptts:

 
You know 3 years in, this thread title is pretty damn accurate. Sammy Watkins has had an extremely similar first 3 seasons to Andre Johnson. Johnson didn't really take off as an elite WR until year 5, and that corresponded to Matt Schaub coming to Houston, so maybe in a year or 2 when Buffalo gets a pocket passing QB, is when watkins will start consistently playing to his pro bowl potential.

 
mozzy84 said:
Where do you think we can draft him next season? Has to be a bargain right?
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You know for me I think he's now in Jonathon Stewart catagory--I won't draft. Talented yes, but I've had enough of the foot issues and inconsistencies. He'd have to make it late 5 in a 12 team to consider and I'm sure he'll be gone by then.

 
mozzy84 said:
Where do you think we can draft him next season? Has to be a bargain right?
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Has to be - 6th-9th rounds? 

Depends on how the 'sperts talk him up probably. 

And a lot of folks will be bitter as hell about getting burned this season. And a lot of other folks will be bitter about getting burned at the end of this year. So that'll eliminate a large number of people.

just depends on if someone in your league has a mancrush. 

I cant see him going before the 5th regardless - unless he somehow has a monster game. 

 
dipandglide said:
Julio, Durant, and others seem to have recovered just fine.

It's a bummer he couldn't continue his momentum from last year. Get that second surgery (most do) and heal up big fella. 
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That, and hopefully whomever they bring in to replace Rex will be more prone to opening up the offense. Hard to get more conservative than is the case right now under Rex. 

 
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I'm assuming anyone who survived his one point is not playing him this week right? I have Tyrell and JJ Nelson in over him ATM.

 
mozzy84 said:
Where do you think we can draft him next season? Has to be a bargain right?
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I think his value is on-hold until you see who the Buffalo Coach and QB are next year...he could become a real darling if they go out and get a legit O-mind as a Coach and/or they upgrade the QB position...everyone knows he has talent (and name-value) so he's not a guy who is going to slip thru the cracks...

 
Boston said:
I think his value is on-hold until you see who the Buffalo Coach and QB are next year...he could become a real darling if they go out and get a legit O-mind as a Coach and/or they upgrade the QB position...everyone knows he has talent (and name-value) so he's not a guy who is going to slip thru the cracks...
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No, but we FFB owners be some bitter biznotches, and hold onto a grudge like a bulldog on a soup bone.

A polite way to say that is "recency bias" but this is now two straight years he's let folks down, and somehow managed to do it twice this year, pissing off twice the number of people.

so while he won't be invisible on draft sheets, some will mark him DND right out of the gate, and others (like me) will wait to see how far he falls.  And honestly I'll have a hard time spending a 6th on the guy as a flex player - I want to know my 6th rounder is on the field and contributing and there's no denying the risk.

Julio Jones has missed time and/or been ineffective a lot the last couple seasons, but he remains a 1st rounder because of his monster games. Owners draft him thinking "if he can just stay healthy!" yet he rarely does. 

Sammy doesnt have those monster games on his resume yet - so he'll probably slip a bit. But he's a big risk/regard IF he gets up to 100% healthy. 

Undortunately he's unlikely to email me to personally say, "hey Scott, I know you're about to draft and I just wanted to check in with you about my foot! It's feeling great, check out the X-rays I attached and also my doctor's note describing my condition and status! Good luck this year, and let's bring home a championship to your fantasy squad!"

i mean, that would be pretty sweet, it's just very unlikely to happen. 

 
Boston said:
I think his value is on-hold until you see who the Buffalo Coach and QB are next year...he could become a real darling if they go out and get a legit O-mind as a Coach and/or they upgrade the QB position...everyone knows he has talent (and name-value) so he's not a guy who is going to slip thru the cracks...
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Problem is upgrading the QB is not so easy. A third of the league would love to do that.

 
zamboni said:
That, and hopefully whomever they bring in to replace Rex will be more prone to opening up the offense. Hard to get more conservative than is the case right now under Rex. 
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It sounds like Rex is gone and possibly Tyrod as well. Both of those cuts would likely help Sammy.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
No, but we FFB owners be some bitter biznotches, and hold onto a grudge like a bulldog on a soup bone.

A polite way to say that is "recency bias" but this is now two straight years he's let folks down, and somehow managed to do it twice this year, pissing off twice the number of people.

so while he won't be invisible on draft sheets, some will mark him DND right out of the gate, and others (like me) will wait to see how far he falls.  And honestly I'll have a hard time spending a 6th on the guy as a flex player - I want to know my 6th rounder is on the field and contributing and there's no denying the risk.

Julio Jones has missed time and/or been ineffective a lot the last couple seasons, but he remains a 1st rounder because of his monster games. Owners draft him thinking "if he can just stay healthy!" yet he rarely does. 

Sammy doesnt have those monster games on his resume yet - so he'll probably slip a bit. But he's a big risk/regard IF he gets up to 100% healthy. 

Undortunately he's unlikely to email me to personally say, "hey Scott, I know you're about to draft and I just wanted to check in with you about my foot! It's feeling great, check out the X-rays I attached and also my doctor's note describing my condition and status! Good luck this year, and let's bring home a championship to your fantasy squad!"

i mean, that would be pretty sweet, it's just very unlikely to happen. 
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He's let us owners down two years in a row? Do you even know what you're talking about? Sammy won leagues last year and had multiple monster games the back half of the season. Sammy had more 30 point games in the last 8 weeks last year than Julio has had the first 10 weeks of this year. Unfortunately he broke his foot before the season and it cost him this year (like it has many others).

If you want to write Sammy off, fine. But don't come in here and spew nonsense. 

And yes, Sammy has been a pain in the ### to own with all his injuries. That said, Julio and a myriad of others have have the same ups and downs. The talent and production when healthy are there for all (most) to see. Sammy needs to heal up and start putting together some full seasons going forward. 

 
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dipandglide said:
He's let us owners down two years in a row? Do you even know what you're talking about? Sammy won leagues last year and had multiple monster games the back half of the season. Sammy had more 30 point games in the last 8 weeks last year than Julio has had the first 10 weeks of this year. Unfortunately he broke his foot before the season and it cost him this year (like it has many others).

If you want to write Sammy off, fine. But don't come in here and spew nonsense. 

And yes, Sammy has been a pain in the ### to own with all his injuries. That said, Julio and a myriad of others have have the same ups and downs. The talent and production when healthy are there for all (most) to see. Sammy needs to heal up and start putting together some full seasons going forward. 
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I'm not writing him off.

i'm saying why others might not draft him.

and his foot was an issue before - maybe it was he year before last, but this is a multiple time incident. 

Maybe look into some comprehension classes before spewing your brand of nonsense because I was saying I'd draft him if the price was right. 

 
dipandglide said:
He's let us owners down two years in a row? Do you even know what you're talking about? Sammy won leagues last year and had multiple monster games the back half of the season. Sammy had more 30 point games in the last 8 weeks last year than Julio has had the first 10 weeks of this year. Unfortunately he broke his foot before the season and it cost him this year (like it has many others).

If you want to write Sammy off, fine. But don't come in here and spew nonsense. 

And yes, Sammy has been a pain in the ### to own with all his injuries. That said, Julio and a myriad of others have have the same ups and downs. The talent and production when healthy are there for all (most) to see. Sammy needs to heal up and start putting together some full seasons going forward. 
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Yeah Sammy was a WR1 for the second half of last season.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I'm not writing him off.

i'm saying why others might not draft him.

and his foot was an issue before - maybe it was he year before last, but this is a multiple time incident. 

Maybe look into some comprehension classes before spewing your brand of nonsense because I was saying I'd draft him if the price was right. 
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I think you are saying why you won't be drafting him. I bet your view is not consensus. You could be right though. The foot has to be healthy or Sammy will have 6-9 round value.

 
Gandalf said:
So you are basically saying you will avoid Watkins next season because he will be gone in most leagues by then
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Pretty much yes. 

But he might slip. And then I'd probably spend that 6th round pick on him and get burned for it again.

because I'm not smart enough to learn when the toaster is hot. 

 
Gandalf said:
I think you are saying why you won't be drafting him. I bet your view is not consensus. You could be right though. The foot has to be healthy or Sammy will have 6-9 round value.
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I was actually just saying where I thought his value might be depressed because FFB owners have long memories.

i was trying to make a case for taking a chance on him as a flex if he slipped that far.

and every time I picture putting his sticker on the draft board I get just a little bit excited and just a little bit queasy. 

 
Watkins was a very viable start today against a suspect and thin MIA secondary that was punching above its weight.

Since returning, he's steadily cemented himself back as the core passing option. And like all WRs, he's only been as good as his QB. Sammy's stinker last week was solely because of Tyrod missing him all over the place and nothing to do with Sammy.

 
ShamrockPride said:
Oof.
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I wasn't in the LCG.he didn't outperform any of the WRs on my team down the stretch after he came back.

but thanks for the vague attempt at irony nonetheless. :lol:  

ETA: I was actually very much hoping he wouldn't have a game like this so his value would be depressed in redraft leagues. he just went from a risky 5th rounder to a super risky 3rd rounder. 

 
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Went off on my bench... :wall:   I just pray next year he stays healthy and is worth leaving in your starting lineup without having to think for a second about it. 

 
CabinFever said:
Went off on my bench... :wall:   I just pray next year he stays healthy and is worth leaving in your starting lineup without having to think for a second about it. 
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:wall:  You mean like the player we all drafted in the third round and thought we were going to get on a weekly basis? 

 
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Only own him in a dynasty league so any signs of life are good to me. Figures I roll him out for a couple weeks and he craps the. Should have known he'd have a good game the second I took him out of my lineup. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
:wall:  You mean like the player we all drafted in the third round and thought we were going to get on a weekly basis? 
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Expecting consistency from a player who broke his foot late in the offseason was wishful thinking.

Hopefully he can have a healthy offseason (post 2nd surgery) and come back with a vengeance. It'll be interesting to see what direction Buffalo goes in this offseason. 

 
dipandglide said:
Expecting consistency from a player who broke his foot late in the offseason was wishful thinking.
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Right - which is why I (and others) relied on all the reports of what an awesome camp he was having and from quotes from Watkins declaring himself 100% and from teammates saying how awesome he looked out there.     

Hopefully he can have a healthy offseason (post 2nd surgery) and come back with a vengeance. It'll be interesting to see what direction Buffalo goes in this offseason. 
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You mean just like he supposedly did this last offseason?

 
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