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WR Sammy Watkins, BAL (2 Viewers)
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ConnSKINS26
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I don't agree. Stafford is a 5,000 yard per season type guy in Detroit, there are plenty of non-Megatron targets, yards, and TD's to be had.
I actually see Cleveland as limiting at least in the short term. Gordon and Cameron are both really good; they may have a solid running game and defense as well.
If the preference is for teams where he has a chance to be the clear #1 right away that's St. Louis, Jacksonville, and Oakland (I might prefer them in that order). After seeing Blackmon produce in JAX I don't mind OAK as much as most people for Watkins. I think Schaub could be good enough. Long term I just worry about whether they have the organizational structures to build a good team but who knows.
As for Archer including Carolina on the wish list.....It's a dream, but a good one
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If the preference is for teams where he has a chance to be the clear #1 right away that's St. Louis, Jacksonville, and Oakland (I might prefer them in that order). After seeing Blackmon produce in JAX I don't mind OAK as much as most people for Watkins. I think Schaub could be good enough. Long term I just worry about whether they have the organizational structures to build a good team but who knows.
As for Archer including Carolina on the wish list.....It's a dream, but a good one
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think that will benefit him. Defenses will alway choose to send extra coverage over to Megatron, leaving Watkins one on one more often and able to exploit the defense. 3-4 years of that as Watkins transitions to the NFL game could be a HUGE advantage for him, and allow him to produce more in a pass-heavy offense than he would as the #1 go-to guy on a worse offense with worse complimentary WR's.
ConnSKINS26
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massraider
Footballguy
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/sammy-watkins-vs-ohio-state-2013/
Sammy vs. Ohio State.
My favorites were him outjumping two DBs in the end zone, and steamrolling Shazier on a screen pass.
Sammy vs. Ohio State.
My favorites were him outjumping two DBs in the end zone, and steamrolling Shazier on a screen pass.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
A possible distinction between different kinds of advantages taller, bigger WRs might have.
Watkins is less than 6'1", about 210 lbs. Bryant is close at 6'2" (bigger at 220 lbs.). But many of the WRs are in the 6'3"-6'4" range, and 220-235 lbs. Calvin and Andre Johnson, A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Demaryius Thomas, Josh Gordon, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald, etc.
Taller WRs, possibly with better hops, would have a straightforward advantage over their smaller counterparts (jump over smaller DBs, advantage in positioning, boxing out, reach extension/catching radius). Watkins is at a disadvantage, in that regard.
But the above group are not just taller, but as noted, bigger and stronger. Bean pole Green probably the biggest outlier, but like Randy Moss, his elite agility and body control allow him to effectively play big. Anyways, the point being here, Watkins plays bigger than the typical 6'0" 210 lb. WR. Some scouts have likened him to a RB with the ball in his hands, and he would run over and through would be tacklers at times.
To sum up, while Watkins suffers in the comparison by not measuring up with the top WRs height-wise, that may not necessarily be the case strength-wise. Aspects of his constellation of physical traits, skill set and game differ from the apex of the WR food chain, but some elements resemble the blue chip, elite WRs (RAC) more than smurfs. His unusual strength for his size could, TO SOME DEGREE, be a sort of equalizer in overcoming the height disadvantage as he transitions to the NFL, and cause for an optimistic projection. Scouts may be accounting for this and factoring it into their OVERALL evaluation when they invoke Green and Julio as comps. Clearly it isn't because of his height.
Watkins is less than 6'1", about 210 lbs. Bryant is close at 6'2" (bigger at 220 lbs.). But many of the WRs are in the 6'3"-6'4" range, and 220-235 lbs. Calvin and Andre Johnson, A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Demaryius Thomas, Josh Gordon, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald, etc.
Taller WRs, possibly with better hops, would have a straightforward advantage over their smaller counterparts (jump over smaller DBs, advantage in positioning, boxing out, reach extension/catching radius). Watkins is at a disadvantage, in that regard.
But the above group are not just taller, but as noted, bigger and stronger. Bean pole Green probably the biggest outlier, but like Randy Moss, his elite agility and body control allow him to effectively play big. Anyways, the point being here, Watkins plays bigger than the typical 6'0" 210 lb. WR. Some scouts have likened him to a RB with the ball in his hands, and he would run over and through would be tacklers at times.
To sum up, while Watkins suffers in the comparison by not measuring up with the top WRs height-wise, that may not necessarily be the case strength-wise. Aspects of his constellation of physical traits, skill set and game differ from the apex of the WR food chain, but some elements resemble the blue chip, elite WRs (RAC) more than smurfs. His unusual strength for his size could, TO SOME DEGREE, be a sort of equalizer in overcoming the height disadvantage as he transitions to the NFL, and cause for an optimistic projection. Scouts may be accounting for this and factoring it into their OVERALL evaluation when they invoke Green and Julio as comps. Clearly it isn't because of his height.
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buck naked
Footballguy
It's a good question. But Clemson might as well keep running the same play when they get 10-15 yards every time they run it.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Everybody has to weigh for themselves if inability to learn to run a fiendishly difficult post route proves an insurmountable problem and death blow to his chance at becoming an elite WR.
You could make a case that many lesser WRs fail in the NFL, not because they aren't masterful route running technicians, but because they don't have Watkins talent.
You could make a case that many lesser WRs fail in the NFL, not because they aren't masterful route running technicians, but because they don't have Watkins talent.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
I've liked too many posts today, if I could like this one twice I would. Good stuff as always Bob.
az_prof
Footballguy
Adam, I have always enjoyed your input on these forums. I really appreciate your logic and non-emotional judgements. It is so rare.
az_prof
Footballguy
That makes sense for Clemson, but I think Matuski is uncertain of whether or not Watkins can run every pattern effectively because you don't see it. And that's a fair question because there are talented college WRs who have trouble transitioning to the NFL where they have to run a more complete route tree.
On the other hand, my own impression watching this is that he has exceptional RAC skills and very good hands. He reminds me of a bigger and faster version of Randall Cobb. Cobb is exceptional after the catch and also has great hands. Seeing this I can see why people are very high on him. I still agree that he really doesn't compare to the typical elite NFL wr at this time. He is more like a Harvin or a Cobb.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
1.01
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Buffalo seems like a bad landing spot without having an established quarterback. But at least they run an up-tempo offense.
JohnnyU
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Gandalf
Footballguy
The Bills just traded away their first round pick this year and next year to land Watkins. They are going to use him early and often. He is great with screen passes as many haters love to point out and Buffalo uses short passing and the run game. I can see Buffalo using him all over the field. It's a good spot. Watkins in Buffalo!! Jacksonville and Oakland would have been awful.
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werdnoynek
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Tanner9919
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the look on Watkins face wh
en selected was priceless..like, " buffalo? really, #$%$% buffalo??"
en selected was priceless..like, " buffalo? really, #$%$% buffalo??"
werdnoynek
Footballguy
werdnoynek
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Yeah....they seem to have trouble figuring out what to do with Spiller. Second worst landing spot Watkins could have gone to (2nd to Rams)....IMO.
Bummer....
Bummer....
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lod01
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werdnoynek
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werdnoynek
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Avery
Footballguy
If you believed in Watkins talent over Evans before the draft, I don't see how today changes the 1.01 pick.
There were several analysts prior to the draft suggesting that a number of teams had Evans on their draft boards ahead of Watkins, as he had more of the physical frame, speed, and catching radius that is highly coveted in the NFL today. There were a lot of suggestions that even if you evaluated Watkins as the better WR that the gap between the two wasn't all that significant. It has been suggested that Evans will have a larger red zone role than Watkins will, and that his skills perhaps translate better to the NFL.
In terms of opportunity, Evans has a clearer path to seeing a significant number of passing targets, as the # 2 WR job opposite Jackson is wide open, while in Buffalo Watkins will contend with a much more crowded receiving corps.
The QB situation is a bit unknown for each, as we don't know what the Bills have in Manuel; however, a veteran QB is likely the better short term option.
I also think that when you factor in the climate, those late season games in Tampa Bay are more favorable to offensive passing production than the games being played in Buffalo.
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
Watkins is immediately the #1 WR in Buffalo. How does Evans have a more clear path to targets?ETA: Climate is overrated. Djax went 4-59 and a TD in a foot of snow against the Lions last season. I'll take that any week in that weather.
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Watkins will eventually ascend to the # 1 WR position in Buffalo; however, in the short term he will compete with Stevie Johnson (unless traded or cut), Mike Williams, Robert Woods, Goodson, etc. for passing targets.
