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WR Sammy Watkins, BAL (1 Viewer)

I think we all need to wait until tomorrow's practice report comes out before we conclude that he is worse this week than he was going into last week.

And I think he will be on a snap count regardless of him being same/better/worse than last week but that doesn't concern me for reasons I have stated above.
I think the fact that he was DNP on a day he was scheduled to practice on a limited basis is a pretty good sign that he's worse than last week when he practiced in full. 

It sounds like you're a river in Egypt. ;)  

 
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I think the fact that he was DNP on a day he was scheduled to practice on a limited basis is a pretty good sign that he's worse than last week when he practiced in full. 

It sounds like you're a river in Egypt. ;)  
No it doesn't because I am not saying that he is the same/better/worse.  I'm saying that there is more than one logical explanation for why he would go from scheduled limited participant to DNP.

I am neither advocating starting him nor benching him.  I am merely calling for a little patience before rushing off to make a move based upon the Wednesday practice report.

 
No it doesn't because I am not saying that he is the same/better/worse.  I'm saying that there is more than one logical explanation for why he would go from scheduled limited participant to DNP.

I am neither advocating starting him nor benching him.  I am merely calling for a little patience before rushing off to make a move based upon the Wednesday practice report.
Why would you need more than one logical explanation when we have the very specific singular reason? 

His foot hurts. So he missed a scheduled practice.

No offense, but speculating otherwise seems silly. They told us he's got a sore foot and was supposed to practice but didn't. 

How is it logical to search for other explanations? 

 
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Here come all the Sammy haters. His ####### foot should feel a little sore, he hasn't done that much work on it in over two months.  It'd be awesome if the Bills were trolling everyone. 

Edit- All the hate is hilarious. Sammy comes back from two months away on a bum foot and puts up 3/80 on three targets. Meanwhile, guys like Moncrief (insanely overvalued) haven't put up 80 yards all season. Sammy is so polarizing and I LOVE it!

 
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Why would you need more than one logical explanation when we have the very specific singular reason? 

His for hurts. So he missed a scheduled practice.

No offense, but speculating otherwise seems silly. They told us he's got a sore foot and was supposed to practice but didn't. 

How is it logical to search for other explanations? 
As I said earlier the conversation about his sore foot is the issue that we don't understand.

It could have been him saying "My foot hurts and I am physically unable to practice." That would be very bad.  OR it could have just as easily been a coach asking "How's the foot?" and him saying "A little sore, no big deal." but the coaches decide to give him the extra day of rest anyway. That would not be bad at all, just cautious.

Please don't interpret me as trying to put rose colored glasses on the situation.  I am just suggesting that people demonstrate a little patience, which is increasingly difficult in the digital age. 

 
Uh-oh Mike Evans DNP today.
I expect better from you, Chaka. 

Mike Evans sat out practice for non-injury related reasons.This veteran's day rest is a huge difference between a guy who has missed most of the season because of foot soreness, only to be ailing again after his first day back.

While I agree that we still have a few days until gametime, to imply that worrying about the news of more soreness in Sammy's foot keeping him out of practice is overreaction is more than a little thin.

 
I expect better from you, Chaka. 

Mike Evans sat out practice for non-injury related reasons.This veteran's day rest is a huge difference between a guy who has missed most of the season because of foot soreness, only to be ailing again after his first day back.

While I agree that we still have a few days until gametime, to imply that worrying about the news of more soreness in Sammy's foot keeping him out of practice is overreaction is more than a little thin.
Well that's what you get for having expectations.  :D  I'm kidding brother.  

Although if anyone takes my Mike Evans post as anything other than complete sarcasm they need to have their sarcasm meter adjusted.

My point this entire time is to just keep an even keel. A late downgrade from limited to DNP could have different explanations and overreacting doesn't help.  I am sure that there are some people with tight rosters and their waivers don't process until tonight, or some such restriction, and for them I can understand considering a move based upon this information.  However for most of us priority waivers have passed for the week and we have enough options already on our team (seeing as how Sammy had been gone since week 3 if you don't have other options already rostered you probably are out of playoff contention) so there is no need to run out and drop a superior athlete like Sammy and all of his potential for a limited talent player with limited upside (e.g. Quincy Enunwa, Marques Wilson, Adam Thielen, Kenny Stills etc).  To be clear I had rostered Quincy for a couple weeks this year but with bye weeks out of the way there is no way I'm starting him over Mike Evans, AJ Green (until recently) or Michael Thomas at this point of the season (probably wouldn't start him over Allen Robinson yet but it's closer every week).  Sammy on the other hand I could see working his way into my lineup if he's healthy (healthy enough).  Certainly would go with him over Robinson.

Just saying that everyone needs to take a deep breath or smoke a bowl or pour a nice single malt or meditate on their chakras or whatever clears the mind before acting on this limited information.

 
Entertaining thread if nothing else.  Put me in the camp that is not concerned about Watkins missing practice on Wed. Friday's practice matters. 

 
Here come all the Sammy haters. His ####### foot should feel a little sore, he hasn't done that much work on it in over two months.  It'd be awesome if the Bills were trolling everyone. 

Edit- All the hate is hilarious. Sammy comes back from two months away on a bum foot and puts up 3/80 on three targets. Meanwhile, guys like Moncrief (insanely overvalued) haven't put up 80 yards all season. Sammy is so polarizing and I LOVE it!
I don't see any haters. I see reasonable people commenting on an ongoing situation. 

Maybe you ought to check out Moncrief's TD total - he's only played a couple games, has scored in every one,and his QB missed last week and he STILL scored.

seems like a pretty valuable guy to me. I bet any Sammy Watkins owner would deal him & their right nut for Moncrief without hesitation. 

 
As I said earlier the conversation about his sore foot is the issue that we don't understand.

It could have been him saying "My foot hurts and I am physically unable to practice." That would be very bad.  OR it could have just as easily been a coach asking "How's the foot?" and him saying "A little sore, no big deal." but the coaches decide to give him the extra day of rest anyway. That would not be bad at all, just cautious.

Please don't interpret me as trying to put rose colored glasses on the situation.  I am just suggesting that people demonstrate a little patience, which is increasingly difficult in the digital age. 
This is fair. :)  

 
I wish I had this confidence.  If he doesn't practice tomorrow, my freak-out factor will be an 11, with concern that they just shut him down.
This team hasn't made the playoffs since Sammy was being potty trained. I don't see them shutting him down until they are mathematically eliminated.

Last week, the claim was that his foot was 100%, he just needed to re-condition.  I would think any renewed soreness is horrible news.
I don't think that's true at all. He was obviously not 100%. He wouldn't have been on a snap count otherwise. They just needed him badly. If he was 100% there wouldn't have been any question as to whether he'd play, which there was until the end of the week.

 
I don't see any haters. I see reasonable people commenting on an ongoing situation. 

Maybe you ought to check out Moncrief's TD total - he's only played a couple games, has scored in every one,and his QB missed last week and he STILL scored.

seems like a pretty valuable guy to me. I bet any Sammy Watkins owner would deal him & their right nut for Moncrief without hesitation. 
NO

TD's are about as fluky as it gets. If you want to rely on those year to year GOODLUCK! The only major plus for Moncrief (aside from his age) is that he has Luck throwing him the ball and TY lining up on the other side. 

 
NO

TD's are about as fluky as it gets. If you want to rely on those year to year GOODLUCK! The only major plus for Moncrief (aside from his age) is that he has Luck throwing him the ball and TY lining up on the other side. 
So much for reasonable people discussing things.

we'll agree to disagree. Have a nice evening. 

 
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I did read that he was doing individual drills today, and that doesn't qualify as practicing. Take it for what it's worth, and don't panic too much until Friday. Heck, this is found money for a lot of us anyway.

 
This team hasn't made the playoffs since Sammy was being potty trained. I don't see them shutting him down until they are mathematically eliminated.

I don't think that's true at all. He was obviously not 100%. He wouldn't have been on a snap count otherwise. They just needed him badly. If he was 100% there wouldn't have been any question as to whether he'd play, which there was until the end of the week.
I didn't say he was 100%, he obviously was not, considering it was said multiple times that he needs conditioning work.  I said the foot was 100%, which I suppose is also incorrect, considering it still hurts.  My point was that the foot structurally is healed.  The second opinion he got indicated that the foot was healed, rest and rehab was all that could be done.  If the foot is healed, the second opinion advised against another surgery, and he still has pain after all of the rest and rehab, that simply cannot be good.

As I mentioned, I own Sammy everywhere, I want him to succeed as much as anyone, but I don't see how anyone can view this news as anything but bad.  The foot is "healed", in that it does not require any more medical procedures, but is still causing him discomfort.  The recommendation was rest and rehab, which he did, for 10 weeks, and it still hurts.

I am no doctor, I have no idea where this is going to go.  He may come out and practice Thursday and this is all a bunch of nothing.  I just know that as a Sammy owner, one who was quite excited at the prospect of him returning for a fantasy playoff run, I am now back to not expecting much.  I really hope I am wrong.

 
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DNP, foot is sore. Wow, I would feel psychic if this wasn't so predictable.  I wonder if he'll play again this season. 
Considering you and a large handful of others here were dead wrong about him after fear mongering about some injury or something that was going to happen after a few snaps.....I'll take my chances.

 
So much for reasonable people discussing things.

we'lol agree to disagree. Have a nice evening. 
I don't feel like reading back through 70 pages of posts but based on the last two pages you do seem to have an excessive dislike for Watkins. Did he ruin your season at one point in time?  

His foot isn't good news but with only the one piece of news it isn't enough to be running around saying the sky is falling. Yes he didn't officially practice but I don't think him doing drills on his own is the end of the world. Come Friday it still could be. For now take a step back and try to be objective. 

 
It was a Wednesday practice of a guy coming off an injury. I would hope by now that all of us who visit this site know Wednesday practices mean nothing. While that doesnt mean Sammy will play this week or even practice today. But any reaction to a Wednesday practice is pointless.

 
It was a Wednesday practice of a guy coming off an injury. I would hope by now that all of us who visit this site know Wednesday practices mean nothing. While that doesnt mean Sammy will play this week or even practice today. But any reaction to a Wednesday practice is pointless.
I'm certainly not taking yesterday's news as he re-aggravated the injury or that he isn't playing this week. I think the worry some have was that he was supposed to practice but ended up being held out because his foot was sore. I definitely agree that it's pointless to get worked up over a Wednesday practice report. Today and Friday will be telling for him. If he can get in some practice today and tomorrow, I think he'll be fine. But if he is a DNP again today, then it may be time to panic a little.

 
I hear you but you look at it different than I. I already came to grips that anything Watkins gives is luck gravy. He has not been here to help my team this season anyways, so worrisome?
No I am not worried, I did not expect anything from Watkins anyways.

 
I hear you but you look at it different than I. I already came to grips that anything Watkins gives is luck gravy. He has not been here to help my team this season anyways, so worrisome?
No I am not worried, I did not expect anything from Watkins anyways.
True. In one of the leagues I have him, he's a complete luxury since I have Julio, Fitz, Hilton, Michael Thomas, and Britt. In the other, I could definitely use him since I have Dez, Landry, Cobb, and DJax. But you're right, anything we get from him at this point is a bonus.

 
Edit- All the hate is hilarious. Sammy comes back from two months away on a bum foot and puts up 3/80 on three targets. Meanwhile, guys like Moncrief (insanely overvalued) haven't put up 80 yards all season. Sammy is so polarizing and I LOVE it!
I don't know about Moncrief and fantasy football, but man that 62-yard play shows just what this guy can do when he's healthy.  Beats Jalen Ramsey 1-on-1 even though he's not really at full-speed, ball is slightly underthrown, uses his body to shield Ramsey without using his hands (no OPI) and make the play look so easy.  Such a shame he's never healthy.

 
Considering you and a large handful of others here were dead wrong about him after fear mongering about some injury or something that was going to happen after a few snaps.....I'll take my chances.
We were dead wrong?

he played less than half the snaps, had 3 catches and reinjured his foot.

sounds like we were spot on.

as for fear mongering, speaking only for myself I just said there's a difference between practice and contact football and that it made him a risky start. 

Sorry that good advice is considered fear mongering. 

 
I don't feel like reading back through 70 pages of posts but based on the last two pages you do seem to have an excessive dislike for Watkins. Did he ruin your season at one point in time?  

His foot isn't good news but with only the one piece of news it isn't enough to be running around saying the sky is falling. Yes he didn't officially practice but I don't think him doing drills on his own is the end of the world. Come Friday it still could be. For now take a step back and try to be objective. 
Not at all - I have no personal feelings about him whatsoever. I drafted him and wasn't thrilled when he got hurt. But I'm well past that and in 1st place in that league: 

Not sure how that's interpreted as "dislike". 

 
We were dead wrong?

he played less than half the snaps, had 3 catches and reinjured his foot.

sounds like we were spot on.

as for fear mongering, speaking only for myself I just said there's a difference between practice and contact football and that it made him a risky start. 

Sorry that good advice is considered fear mongering. 
He checked out fine following the game according to the team. The soreness likely came a few days later. If you were paying attention...And I'm not so sure you were...nobody ever said he'd play more than half the snaps. He did exactly what was said he was going to do.

 
He checked out fine following the game according to the team. The soreness likely came a few days later. If you were paying attention...And I'm not so sure you were...nobody ever said he'd play more than half the snaps. He did exactly what was said he was going to do.
Actually Sammy himself declared himself 100%. And said he wouldn't play unless he was 100%. 

bur that's cool - I see Weebs is calling me a hater and making the claim that I "post 10 times a day about players I don't like"  (since I've had him on ignore forever I only getting his posts when someone quotes his idiocy) so I'll just leave FBG to the experts like him. 

Have fun folks. 

 
Actually Sammy himself declared himself 100%. And said he wouldn't play unless he was 100%. 

bur that's cool - I see Weebs is calling me a hater and making the claim that I "post 10 times a day about players I don't like"  (since I've had him on ignore forever I only getting his posts when someone quotes his idiocy) so I'll just leave FBG to the experts like him. 

Have fun folks. 
Okay. Source wrong, info/statement correct.  :rolleyes:  Point still stands. Sammy's played through worse at this point than wahhhh...soreness. Lol

 
Some other dude on twitter reported he hasn't actually participated (yet) though.
Mike Rodak just indicated he took part in individual drills, and then started work with the WR coach on the sideline as special teams started going through their drills. Better than a DNP, but not sure exactly what that all means.

 
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I don't know about Moncrief and fantasy football, but man that 62-yard play shows just what this guy can do when he's healthy.  Beats Jalen Ramsey 1-on-1 even though he's not really at full-speed, ball is slightly underthrown, uses his body to shield Ramsey without using his hands (no OPI) and make the play look so easy.  Such a shame he's never healthy.
Sammy is only 23 and doesn't turn 24 until next June.  He's been in the league 3 years already and is half a year younger than rookies like Josh Doctson who hasn't even played more than a game yet due to his injury, and Sterling Shepard.  He's younger than Saints' Michael Thomas too.

It's crazy how young he is when you put it in perspective of still being younger than rookies 2 classes later than him.  Waiting for him to get healthy will be worth it.

 
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"Sammy Watkins is curing and planting on his foot in route-running drills. Isn't moving at 100-percent speed, but he has said he wants to dial back the intensity with which he practices on the advice of trainers. " - Per Mike Rodak

 
Sammy is only 23 and doesn't turn 24 until next June.  He's been in the league 3 years already and is half a year younger than rookies like Josh Doctson who hasn't even played a game yet due to his injury, and Sterling Shepard.  He's younger than Saints' Michael Thomas too.

It's crazy how young he is when you put it in perspective of still being younger than rookies 2 classes later than him.  Waiting for him to get healthy will be worth it.
A very true statement. And one of he reasons I wanted him this year when he was reportedly 100% in the preseason. 

Contary to assertions that i "hate" Sammy Watkins, I actually think he has tremendous upside and I'm looking forward to his future. 

but if his foot ain't right, he's a risky player this year. 

He could practice all week, play 5 snaps, land awkwardly and leave the game. And while no player is guaranteed to stay on the field all game, it would seem that a guy with a preexisting condition is at greater risk.  And IMO this is the time of year when playoffs are on the line in FFB. 

Maybe I'm just more risk averse than others. 

Good luck to Watkins owners - I hope he pays off for you. This is my last post on this topic. 

 
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A very true statement. And one of he reasons I wanted him this year when he was reportedly 100% in the preseason. 

Contary to assertions that i "hate" Sammy Watkins, I actually think he has tremendous upside and I'm looking forward to his future. 

but if his foot ain't right, he's a risky player this year. 

He could practice all week, play 5 snaps, land awkwardly and leave the game. And while no player is guaranteed to stay on the field all game, it would seem that a guy with a preexisting condition is at greater risk.  And IMO this is the time of year when playoffs are on the line in FFB. 

Maybe I'm just more risk averse than others. 

Good luck to Watkins owners - I hope he pays off for you. This is my last post on this topic. 
Yeah he needs to prove it before he gets in any of my lineups that aren't starving. Luckily I own him everywhere cause he got dropped by many, but I can't really start him except in leagues where injuries have devastated me.  It's nice to have him as an option where I own AJG over guys like Tyler Boyd or Kendall Wright (14 teamers).

 
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I don't know about Moncrief and fantasy football, but man that 62-yard play shows just what this guy can do when he's healthy.  Beats Jalen Ramsey 1-on-1 even though he's not really at full-speed, ball is slightly underthrown, uses his body to shield Ramsey without using his hands (no OPI) and make the play look so easy.  Such a shame he's never healthy.
Hopefully that'll (health) change next year going forward. Sammy's been dinged up a ton and he's unfairly scrutinized because of his scintillating talent that to this point is still unrealized. People need to remember that Julio started out similarly and we all know how that's ended up. 

 

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