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WR Stefon Diggs, HOU (1 Viewer)
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GregR
Footballguy
I said in the Texans thread, I'm going out on a limb and predicting they are going to extend Nico and that the money they won't be paying Diggs will go to him then.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Yeah that certainly changes things, I thought it was their own pick. Well at least it doesn't look like quite as bad of a deal for the Bills now. Appreciate the clarification.
MTskibum
Footballguy
I disagree, I hated the trade until then.
I think it is bad news if diggs is on the roster in 2025.
We are going to find out studly diggs can play when properly motivated.
One thing I find interesting. Usually when players are traded there are bunch of tweets or whatever, "we'll miss you" or "good luck on your new team" and with Diggs its none of that. The Bills seem VERY glad he's gone. I don't think the Bills are gonna regret this trade even if the WR room isn't as good. This might be one of the rare b0th teams win deals.
I think the "Diggs lost a step" and "the offense was less pass heavy after the OC change" can both be true. Diggs certainly played awful in both KC games, almost like the moments were too big for him, given his drops. Maybe he was checked out, but he didn't seem checked out in the win and you are in game against Miami, so who knows.
I think the "Diggs lost a step" and "the offense was less pass heavy after the OC change" can both be true. Diggs certainly played awful in both KC games, almost like the moments were too big for him, given his drops. Maybe he was checked out, but he didn't seem checked out in the win and you are in game against Miami, so who knows.
jm192
Footballguy
Even if he had, I doubt Keenum is going to come out and say "Yeah, he looks a lot slower." haha
I just have zero trust for what he has left in the tank after that 2nd half collapse last season.
Banger
Footballguy
I think the team and staff basically gave up on Diggs because he wasn’t even getting targets in some games. I think his act just grew old and they were done.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I wish the general consensus was as low on Diggs as these boards. I feel like his ADP in the mid 3rd round is solid, but love when I can get him in the 4th round. I think he's great as a fantasy teams WR2, and a potential league winner as a teams WR3. With the depressed value of TEs for whatever reason in this years drafts, I've been largely taking 1-2 RBs and 2-3 WRs in the first 4 rounds. Diggs hasn't finished outside WR2 in the past 7 seasons. I think that streak continues.
He's also the most consistent health wise, so any fears of snap counts behind Nico and Dell to me are alleviated by the notion that it's highly likely Nico and/or Dell are missing games again this season and Diggs will definitely be the beneficiary there. Add in the trends showing QBs who had a first season even close to what Stroud did almost universally make another jump year two, or at the very least maintain their numbers. Few if any suddenly fall off. I am high on all the Texans WRs for this reason alone. At practically the same cost in redraft, I'll take Nico over Diggs. However, at a round+ cheaper, give me Diggs all day.
I also think Josh Allen starts really showing his warts this year without Diggs route running help cover them up, but that's another story and one I know I'm in the very small minority on.
He's also the most consistent health wise, so any fears of snap counts behind Nico and Dell to me are alleviated by the notion that it's highly likely Nico and/or Dell are missing games again this season and Diggs will definitely be the beneficiary there. Add in the trends showing QBs who had a first season even close to what Stroud did almost universally make another jump year two, or at the very least maintain their numbers. Few if any suddenly fall off. I am high on all the Texans WRs for this reason alone. At practically the same cost in redraft, I'll take Nico over Diggs. However, at a round+ cheaper, give me Diggs all day.
I also think Josh Allen starts really showing his warts this year without Diggs route running help cover them up, but that's another story and one I know I'm in the very small minority on.
jm192
Footballguy
I think both things can be true of Diggs. The Staff was disenfranchised with him. He fell off. In general, teams are more likely to put up with the Diva WR's when they're elite. Diggs 1st half of the season was still great fantasy wise. And the end of season numbers were still very nice. But I think he declined a bit overall and at a point stopped being worth the headache.
A lot of his metrics fell off.
Yards per route run fell from 2.87 to 2.03
ADOT went from 11.2 to 10.3
Target separation dropped from 2.04 to 1.65.
As far as people saying things: I don't think a QB on his own team is going to openly say "Yeah, he sure looks slower."
A lot of his metrics fell off.
Yards per route run fell from 2.87 to 2.03
ADOT went from 11.2 to 10.3
Target separation dropped from 2.04 to 1.65.
As far as people saying things: I don't think a QB on his own team is going to openly say "Yeah, he sure looks slower."
Diggs went 48th in a draft I did last weekend. For reference sake, Collins went 30th and Dell went 54th (to the same guy who took Collins, which I think was a wise play)
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Yeah at that point in the draft, outside of TEs, I don't think there's anyone I like the upside of as much as Diggs. I've had solid luck getting one of Andrews, Kincaid, or at the very least PItts (which would be the end of my tier there) later. I think it's partially a perfect storm of me being against the grain on not only Diggs, but this popular theory of Stroud regression, the recent love for Mixon somehow demanding a ton of touches, the WRs all cannibalizing themselves, etc. Open to being wrong on all of it, but at all their respective values and my other options around those picks, I've been heavy ownership on Texans outside Nico who's just a bit too rich for me.
Banger
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Bills QB Josh Allen on if he misses WR Stefon Diggs:"Stef's a great player… I don't know if I'd say miss…"
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I'm kinda of the belief that Stroud doesn't regress (at least when it comes to yards and TDs) and that all 3 Texans WRs are ok at ADP, but all 3 offer contingent upside if any of them get hurt. Not dissimilar to what SF had with Deebo/Aiyuk/Kittle. That's part of why I liked the paring of Nico/Dell in that draft. I want to have at least 1 part of this offense, but it will be determined by where they go.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Shocking no one, Diggs admits to GQ that he pushed his way out of Buffalo.
From the article:
Why trade away a bona fide, offense-making superstar unless his sure hands also came with some great headaches?
Diggs, for his part, sees it differently. “None of those teams wanted to get rid of me,” he says. “Things had to shake because I kind of wanted them to shake.”
From the article:
Why trade away a bona fide, offense-making superstar unless his sure hands also came with some great headaches?
Diggs, for his part, sees it differently. “None of those teams wanted to get rid of me,” he says. “Things had to shake because I kind of wanted them to shake.”
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I have to compliment Diggs for his attitude and demeanour in a tough loss to the Vikings. For a player that supposedly has character concerns, he was a true pro in interviews. He was a perfect gentleman in the jersey exchange with Jefferson.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
What is this story about this guy filing a lawsuit against Diggs, accusing he drugged him and tried to have sex with him?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Can’t find any updates. Houston Chronicle reporting WR Stefon Diggs is expected to get an MRI done on his knee today to reveal the scope of his injury.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Well I was waiting till the midpoint of the season to victory lap on all the people saying Diggs fell off. WR8 overall to this point, shame it's looking like it will be derailed by injury. Either way, he's been a steal to this point as a third/fourth round redraft pick and was definitely operating as the WR2 on the team and looking great on tape.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Seen speculation it could be meniscus. Might not be season ending. Maybe possiblly.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Expect the worst, hope for the best.
Edit: Tank Dell came alive once Diggs was out of the game. Reminded me of last year's Tank.
Edit: Tank Dell came alive once Diggs was out of the game. Reminded me of last year's Tank.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Wouldn't surprise me if the Diggs effect is similar to Patrick Ewing. Team is actually better without him, which is a crappy thing to say but sometimes the personality outweighs the talent.
Diggs has been pretty good this year- but a significant knee injury at this age all but knocks his dynasty status into the dirt.
Big Nate
Footballguy
If it is meniscus I'm curious if he gets a trim and could be back in 4-6 weeks or if he goes for the full repair and out for the season.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
His value was already there, WR45-48 through July/August. Those who bought at those prices already tripled their money. I don't really care how the Texans perform as a team in fantasy. I care about the imaginary points their individual players put up. And to this point, a guy you paid low end WR4 prices for has been a WR1 with a low score of 7.3. He's been set and forget since opening kickoff. Even with a knee injury, if he's still being priced that way or even lower in your league you should be buying him. "Fool me once..."
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I'm with you. I was driving this bus. Diggs was being drafted consistently behind Nico and Tank. The value he presented was much like Evans last year. These are the guys I seek out. Diggs' talent didn't take a nosedive because he was traded. He has always been extremely good at getting open and catching the ball. He wears out his welcome, but not for a few years. He was performing admirably this year, its too bad he went down. That looked like it could be a season ender.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Yeah this season, more than any recent ones I can remember, there was a wide variety of middle aged, "boring", and "washed up" players who were great value in drafts and currently have me in the top 3 of every league to this point. Navigating some injuries now the past few weeks, but still got solid bench depth to sustain. Diggs popular fantasy forecasting this offseason that had him ranked that low was 95% a poor mix of box score scouting his last few weeks of last season and being supposedly "unlikable" as a person. Never made any sense to me. I didn't think he'd be THIS good, but I didn't see how he wouldn't at least have a floor as a mid to low end WR2 in this offense. He was only a WR1 5 of the past 6 seasons lol.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Honestly, there are guys like this every year. Going after them is a strategy I've used ever since rookies started to become a hot commodity in drafts. Before guys like Reggie Bush, I used to go after rookies. Now there's not really any value there these days, not with first/second round NFL talent anyway. The value exists elsewhere. There will be a shift, there always is, but one hasn't happened in a while.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The Duff Man
Footballguy
He has no contract after this year after getting the Texans to rip up a contract that paid him big dollars.
I wonder if that impacts how he treats his return. There is a lot at stake for him.
I wonder if that impacts how he treats his return. There is a lot at stake for him.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Torn ACL confirmed. Out for season.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Own zero shares. Tough to hear. Get well Mr Diggs.
Opposite, he was cost-controlled and cheap and the Bills ate all the big front end money. That's why he wanted out because they wouldn't redo his contract and give him a raise or guarantee his upcoming salaries. That's also why Texans fans were excited when the trade was announced but then not happy when the news came out they modified his contract. Sent a 2nd on a one-year rental and since they voluntarily tore up the old contract he doesn't qualify for a comp pick next year if he signs somewhere else.
Ironically have to think this Injury will make it easier for the Texans to resign him in the offseason if they want him back
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Doesn't help CJ Stroud this year
I kinda of think it does help CJ. No diva idiot to placate
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Do you really feel like Stroud was forcing the ball to Diggs or that Diggs was crying about not getting the ball? Neither were occurring as far as anyone knows. Diggs was getting open. Diggs was making catches. Diggs has proven to be the model citizen for a couple years at his previous stops, then all hell breaks loose. He seemed like a great teammate in Houston and this will hurt the team unless it forces a guy like Hutchinson or Metchie to develop into what many thought they could be.
GregR
Footballguy
Yeah, this. Everything we've heard from the players, Diggs has been a positive influence on the team. I know there was friction with his past teams, and maybe it would have happened eventually in Houston.
But there were no signs of it so far. The worst you could point to is the exchanges with DBs on other teams that he already had history with.
It's a definite downgrade for Houston. Seeing what the Ravens gave up for Johnson, I'd have been in on that if it was possible for Houston. Though they might just try to weather the game or so until Nico is back.
