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WR Stefon Diggs, NE (3 Viewers)
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Dez
Footballguy
Rumors of a potential release swirled last week after former Patriots quarterback and current announcer Scott Zolak told reporters that a release of Diggs was on the table for the Patriots, reports that now appear to be unfounded. His new three-year, $69 million contract now seems to carry more certainty after the veteran showed up to OTAs Monday. Diggs will look to get back to his 1,000-yard ways in New England after appearing in only eight games in 2024 while with the Texans.
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osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
No. It was not. The NFL did its review and found him treating a woman abusively on multiple occasions. I think I remember a report and findings from the person they pointed in charge of the review. I don't recall the whole story, but I think there were some findings that leaned in Zekes' favor. The league suspended him anyway based on the conclusions of the report. I believe the person who wrote the review was against suspending. I think it was a woman, but I'm unsure what she did for a living. I guess she was a lawyer or something like that.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
someone tried to sell me Diggs today for 1.10. I took Golden instead.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
They better be a little more realistic with that asking price if they truly want to sell. He’s worth nowhere near a 1st.
fatness
Footballguy
The Patriots have no plans to release wide receiver Stefon Diggs, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports.
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Report: Patriots have no plans to release Stefon Diggs
The Patriots have no plans to release wide receiver Stefon Diggs, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports.
www.nbcsports.com
I agree nothing will happen as a result of Diggs flashing that baggie, but it irks me when people say "you don't know for sure" what was in that bag. I'm too old to mince words. Anyone who even thinks for a second that bag held a legal substance is a __________________ (fill in the blank yourself, so I don't get a week long suspension).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I said it as honestly as I can. We *know* what was in that bag.
But we don’t know, know, what was in that bag. We can’t *prove* what was in that bag.
From a FF perspective, nothing was in that bag.
But yes, we know.
I don't have to spend a night with Rosie O'Donnell and Scarlett Johansson to figure out which one I'd like betterI said it as honestly as I can. We *know* what was in that bag.
But we don’t know, know, what was in that bag. We can’t *prove* what was in that bag.
From a FF perspective, nothing was in that bag.
But yes, we know.
I don't have to get punched in the face by Mike Tyson to know that it would hurt
I don't have to ingest what was in that baggie to know I'd be flying if I did
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
schroeder's drugs
It's not often the laughing emoji is real, but it was here
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Far as I’m concerned it was Benadryl.
Let’s go 85/1000/9
Or at least on pace for that so I can cash my lotto ticket for a future pick.
Let’s go 85/1000/9
Or at least on pace for that so I can cash my lotto ticket for a future pick.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
What makes you say that?
Diggs was present at OTAs and seen coaching up other WRs on the team.
Gatorade
Footballguy
I'd rather ingest cyanide
just like we knew for sure Tyreek broke his kids arm.....
So, Tyreek's son's arm was not broken? Yes, it turns out his son did in fact have a broken arm.
On Wednesday, Johnson County DA Steve Howe said that his office would decline to file charges against Hill and Espinal in the criminal investigation for child abuse charges. Howe said his office believed that a crime occurred, but "the evidence does not conclusively establish who committed the crime," which led them to close the case.
Just like the arm exists, so does the pink baggie. I am not saying the baggie even belonged to Diggs or that he ingested what was in it. All I said was that the baggie contained something illegal. Anyone who thinks that baggie never existed is insane - we have video and pictures, unless you are a conspiracy theorist and think it was AI generated
And if you do think the baggie existed (which really isn't in doubt), a person with common sense will conclude it was illegal vs legal.
efactor
Footballguy
But, But, But, Diggs is on my fantasy team, so it couldn't possibly an illegal substance.
Oh yeah, and Rashee Rice wasn't high when he was speed racing. He just bolted the scene because he was afraid of the police framing him
Big Nate
Footballguy
He keeps moving the goal posts. We provided an example of the NFL implementing the personal conduct policy and suspending a player and he changes the parameters. It's not worth the discussion anymore.
Bottom line is the NFL can do their own investigation even if there is no charge. It is not a good look for Diggs - that is the reality here.
Nothing could come out of this but with video evidence and it seems at least the Patriots weren't too happy about it leads me to believe this is not "nothing".
I'll say this again as a Diggs owner, I'd rather him focus on rehab and the 2025 season than passing around pink Himalayan Benadryl bath balm smoking meat curing salts.
bolded if you are referring to Zeke...there was an investigation that showed physical evidence.....and he was suspended accordingly....it wasn't for a bad look....I'm not moving the goal post just wondering if you actually have an example of being suspended for something that was solely because of a bad look....not moving goal posts, simply saying the NFL actually leans the other way in these cases....they want evidence/proof...
the biggest part you are forgetting is that Espinal came out later and said she made the whole thing up and was trying to set Hill up.....
I'm confused now. I haven't dug too deep into the 2019 case, but was his son's arm broken, yes or no?
maybe wouldn't be a good look for anybody on the planet....but not a single one of us would lose our job or get suspended if it was us in that video instead of Diggs....so the reality really is it is a big nuthing burger...
This we agree on. He was seen holding something, and it never went up his nose in pictures or video. But what he was holding is illegal, whatever it was, and no amount of discussion will ever convince me otherwise. Why do I think this? Because I have a brain.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think the relevant term here is “plausible deniability”.
Diggs has plausible deniability that
• it wasn’t his
• he didn’t actually consume it
• it wasn’t actually anything illegal, just a goof between friends
Now, I’m not saying I’m gullible or naive enough to believe any of those things.
But at the moment, short of an arrest or failed drug test, Diggs hasn’t done anything that’s actionable.
But yeah, as the expression goes, “I was born at night, but it wasn’t last night” - it’s definitely a very bad look; and as a Diggs shareholder it’s certainly not what I want to see in the offseason.
But whatever the case, he’s at OTAs, working hard, doing the “on-field” things we want to see. As FF managers we can only:
1. Hope that this was an isolated incident, and not a foreshadowing of future events
2. Choose to not roster him. But at this point his selling price is significantly lower than what I would prefer, so I’m a hold, personally.
For the moment, this seems to be a blip on the slow news cycle radar.
At least until the next blip.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think the majority of people in here agree with this take.
And I would say the minority would all be voted "Most likely to accidentally end up in a cult"
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
Heh
:::nervously checks to see if I kept the receipt for my track suit, goat leggings, and 11 gallons of sacrificial lamb’s blood:::
massraider
Footballguy
I assume any WR uses coke.
I do not assume any WR uses that pink stuff.
It's not the same as cocaine. It's some mixed up cocktail of wacky stuff.
There's a Vice video about it. Watch it. Ten minutes after you finish it, you'll be selling all your Diggs shares for pennies in the dollar
I do not assume any WR uses that pink stuff.
It's not the same as cocaine. It's some mixed up cocktail of wacky stuff.
There's a Vice video about it. Watch it. Ten minutes after you finish it, you'll be selling all your Diggs shares for pennies in the dollar
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
...yet.
RandyDB
Footballguy
Do we also assume that WRs are smart enough to know that "Pink Cocaine" is not cocaine?I assume any WR uses coke.
I do not assume any WR uses that pink stuff.
It's not the same as cocaine. It's some mixed up cocktail of wacky stuff.
There's a Vice video about it. Watch it. Ten minutes after you finish it, you'll be selling all your Diggs shares for pennies in the dollar
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Maybe it was just Pop Rocks.
yes....but doctors said result of an accident/fall....and then psycho fiancé....(had to clarify cause Hill is also psycho in his own way)....tried to blame it on Hill and set him up...
roll your eyes post warning...
see this is where I kind of come to a crossroads.....and part of the reason I brought up the Hill thing...I would hope that if I am ever in a situation where something "looks bad"....I would hope that people wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement without knowing all the facts....99% of the general public thought is was a slam dunk Hill broke his kids arm, etc....and they slammed him and were quick to pass judgment and crucify him...and as it turns out, he didn't do it....
same thing is happening here....people somehow seem to "know" that what was in the bag was illegal even though they turn right around and say they don't even know what it is....which you even did in this post....if you don't know what it is, how do you know it's illegal....?....you don't....and you can say however many times you want it's because I have a brain or whatever....but you don't know....Diggs has diva behavior, and maybe isn't the greatest locker room guy, etc....but he has no record/history of anything drug related or any record of criminal/illegal stuff....I mean I may totally agree with you that it looks like something that may be illegal (considering the circumstances/environment/etc.) ....but we don't know, so it's really not fair to pound our chest and sling the "I know for sure it was illegal" narrative...
hundreds of NFL players are probably "around" illegal things EVERY day and maybe even pass them around in this type of atmosphere.....but it doesn't mean "they" are doing anything illegal.....sure if a cop rolls up and you are holding "the bag" "at that moment" then you are in possession or whatever....and maybe it says a little something about who you choose to hang out with....but heck I have a 31 year old and a 26 year old that have basically told me cocaine isn't even that big of a deal....not any worse then pot when it comes down to "whats at a party" it and pretty much every party scene has it and people do it like it was nothing....even people that you wouldn't think would "do it"....it's helps you keep partying, whatever...so yeah it's "illegal" but the stigma of "being around it" isn't what it used to be...(at least from when I grew up)...I get it....but it's a nothing burger until it is...Diggs hangs out with people that may or may not do coke....so does probably 75% or more of the NFL players...
Big Nate
Footballguy
I hear what you are saying 100% but the league doesn't have to "care" about it. The personal conduct policy allows the NFL to discipline someone for a "bad look" as you call it. Teams can also punish a player if they want.roll your eyes post warning...
see this is where I kind of come to a crossroads.....and part of the reason I brought up the Hill thing...I would hope that if I am ever in a situation where something "looks bad"....I would hope that people wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement without knowing all the facts....99% of the general public thought is was a slam dunk Hill broke his kids arm, etc....and they slammed him and were quick to pass judgment and crucify him...and as it turns out, he didn't do it....
same thing is happening here....people somehow seem to "know" that what was in the bag was illegal even though they turn right around and say they don't even know what it is....which you even did in this post....if you don't know what it is, how do you know it's illegal....?....you don't....and you can say however many times you want it's because I have a brain or whatever....but you don't know....Diggs has diva behavior, and maybe isn't the greatest locker room guy, etc....but he has no record/history of anything drug related or any record of criminal/illegal stuff....I mean I may totally agree with you that it looks like something that may be illegal (considering the circumstances/environment/etc.) ....but we don't know, so it's really not fair to pound our chest and sling the "I know for sure it was illegal" narrative...
hundreds of NFL players are probably "around" illegal things EVERY day and maybe even pass them around in this type of atmosphere.....but it doesn't mean "they" are doing anything illegal.....sure if a cop rolls up and you are holding "the bag" "at that moment" then you are in possession or whatever....and maybe it says a little something about who you choose to hang out with....but heck I have a 31 year old and a 26 year old that have basically told me cocaine isn't even that big of a deal....not any worse then pot when it comes down to "whats at a party" it and pretty much every party scene has it and people do it like it was nothing....even people that you wouldn't think would "do it"....it's helps you keep partying, whatever...so yeah it's "illegal" but the stigma of "being around it" isn't what it used to be...(at least from when I grew up)...I get it....but it's a nothing burger until it is...Diggs hangs out with people that may or may not do coke....so does probably 75% or more of the NFL players...
"It is a privilege to be part of the National Football League. Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network, or any other NFL business. Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL. We must endeavor at all times to be people of high character; we must show respect for others inside and outside our workplace; and we must conduct ourselves in ways that favorably reflect on ourselves, our teams, the communities we represent, and the NFL.
...
It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime in a court of law. We are all held to a higher standard and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL, and is lawful.
Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following:
- Illegal possession, use, or distribution of alcohol or drugs;"
The NFL has different rules they play by, agree or not with their rules, this is not a good situation for Diggs. As I said before I do hope it turns out to be nothing but I'd rather not see him passing a bag off pink stuff on a boat while the rest of the team is at the facility busting their asses off getting ready for the season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, we do not. OL are the smart ones.Do we also assume that WRs are smart enough to know that "Pink Cocaine" is not cocaine?I assume any WR uses coke.
I do not assume any WR uses that pink stuff.
It's not the same as cocaine. It's some mixed up cocktail of wacky stuff.
There's a Vice video about it. Watch it. Ten minutes after you finish it, you'll be selling all your Diggs shares for pennies in the dollar
the league most certainly has to "care" about how they handle these things cause there is this little thing called the player's union......and really the only thing I can summarize from your post is that the NFL must not think he did anything illegal or anything that even sniffs violating their conduct policy....because I can almost guarantee you they will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING here....if they did....the players union would be so far up their *** so quick they wouldn't be able to pass gas for a year...I hear what you are saying 100% but the league doesn't have to "care" about it. The personal conduct policy allows the NFL to discipline someone for a "bad look" as you call it. Teams can also punish a player if they want.roll your eyes post warning...
see this is where I kind of come to a crossroads.....and part of the reason I brought up the Hill thing...I would hope that if I am ever in a situation where something "looks bad"....I would hope that people wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement without knowing all the facts....99% of the general public thought is was a slam dunk Hill broke his kids arm, etc....and they slammed him and were quick to pass judgment and crucify him...and as it turns out, he didn't do it....
same thing is happening here....people somehow seem to "know" that what was in the bag was illegal even though they turn right around and say they don't even know what it is....which you even did in this post....if you don't know what it is, how do you know it's illegal....?....you don't....and you can say however many times you want it's because I have a brain or whatever....but you don't know....Diggs has diva behavior, and maybe isn't the greatest locker room guy, etc....but he has no record/history of anything drug related or any record of criminal/illegal stuff....I mean I may totally agree with you that it looks like something that may be illegal (considering the circumstances/environment/etc.) ....but we don't know, so it's really not fair to pound our chest and sling the "I know for sure it was illegal" narrative...
hundreds of NFL players are probably "around" illegal things EVERY day and maybe even pass them around in this type of atmosphere.....but it doesn't mean "they" are doing anything illegal.....sure if a cop rolls up and you are holding "the bag" "at that moment" then you are in possession or whatever....and maybe it says a little something about who you choose to hang out with....but heck I have a 31 year old and a 26 year old that have basically told me cocaine isn't even that big of a deal....not any worse then pot when it comes down to "whats at a party" it and pretty much every party scene has it and people do it like it was nothing....even people that you wouldn't think would "do it"....it's helps you keep partying, whatever...so yeah it's "illegal" but the stigma of "being around it" isn't what it used to be...(at least from when I grew up)...I get it....but it's a nothing burger until it is...Diggs hangs out with people that may or may not do coke....so does probably 75% or more of the NFL players...
"It is a privilege to be part of the National Football League. Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network, or any other NFL business. Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL. We must endeavor at all times to be people of high character; we must show respect for others inside and outside our workplace; and we must conduct ourselves in ways that favorably reflect on ourselves, our teams, the communities we represent, and the NFL.
...
It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime in a court of law. We are all held to a higher standard and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL, and is lawful.
Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following:
- Illegal possession, use, or distribution of alcohol or drugs;"
The NFL has different rules they play by, agree or not with their rules, this is not a good situation for Diggs. As I said before I do hope it turns out to be nothing but I'd rather not see him passing a bag off pink stuff on a boat while the rest of the team is at the facility busting their asses off getting ready for the season.
Big Nate
Footballguy
The players union doesn't hold the cards if a player is in violation of the conduct policy. The union can appeal but the Commissioner holds the final say and it is binding.the league most certainly has to "care" about how they handle these things cause there is this little thing called the player's union......and really the only thing I can summarize from your post is that the NFL must not think he did anything illegal or anything that even sniffs violating their conduct policy....because I can almost guarantee you they will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING here....if they did....the players union would be so far up their *** so quick they wouldn't be able to pass gas for a year...I hear what you are saying 100% but the league doesn't have to "care" about it. The personal conduct policy allows the NFL to discipline someone for a "bad look" as you call it. Teams can also punish a player if they want.roll your eyes post warning...
see this is where I kind of come to a crossroads.....and part of the reason I brought up the Hill thing...I would hope that if I am ever in a situation where something "looks bad"....I would hope that people wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement without knowing all the facts....99% of the general public thought is was a slam dunk Hill broke his kids arm, etc....and they slammed him and were quick to pass judgment and crucify him...and as it turns out, he didn't do it....
same thing is happening here....people somehow seem to "know" that what was in the bag was illegal even though they turn right around and say they don't even know what it is....which you even did in this post....if you don't know what it is, how do you know it's illegal....?....you don't....and you can say however many times you want it's because I have a brain or whatever....but you don't know....Diggs has diva behavior, and maybe isn't the greatest locker room guy, etc....but he has no record/history of anything drug related or any record of criminal/illegal stuff....I mean I may totally agree with you that it looks like something that may be illegal (considering the circumstances/environment/etc.) ....but we don't know, so it's really not fair to pound our chest and sling the "I know for sure it was illegal" narrative...
hundreds of NFL players are probably "around" illegal things EVERY day and maybe even pass them around in this type of atmosphere.....but it doesn't mean "they" are doing anything illegal.....sure if a cop rolls up and you are holding "the bag" "at that moment" then you are in possession or whatever....and maybe it says a little something about who you choose to hang out with....but heck I have a 31 year old and a 26 year old that have basically told me cocaine isn't even that big of a deal....not any worse then pot when it comes down to "whats at a party" it and pretty much every party scene has it and people do it like it was nothing....even people that you wouldn't think would "do it"....it's helps you keep partying, whatever...so yeah it's "illegal" but the stigma of "being around it" isn't what it used to be...(at least from when I grew up)...I get it....but it's a nothing burger until it is...Diggs hangs out with people that may or may not do coke....so does probably 75% or more of the NFL players...
"It is a privilege to be part of the National Football League. Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network, or any other NFL business. Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL. We must endeavor at all times to be people of high character; we must show respect for others inside and outside our workplace; and we must conduct ourselves in ways that favorably reflect on ourselves, our teams, the communities we represent, and the NFL.
...
It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime in a court of law. We are all held to a higher standard and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL, and is lawful.
Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following:
- Illegal possession, use, or distribution of alcohol or drugs;"
The NFL has different rules they play by, agree or not with their rules, this is not a good situation for Diggs. As I said before I do hope it turns out to be nothing but I'd rather not see him passing a bag off pink stuff on a boat while the rest of the team is at the facility busting their asses off getting ready for the season.
"and the decision of the Commissioner or his designee, which may overturn, reduce, modify or increase the discipline previously issued, will be final and binding on all parties. "
the point is there won't even be anything to appeal.....the league and Rog know they have absolutely nothing to stand on here....they can't prove jack....and they won't open up this can of worms based on someone holding a baggie of something....The players union doesn't hold the cards if a player is in violation of the conduct policy. The union can appeal but the Commissioner holds the final say and it is binding.the league most certainly has to "care" about how they handle these things cause there is this little thing called the player's union......and really the only thing I can summarize from your post is that the NFL must not think he did anything illegal or anything that even sniffs violating their conduct policy....because I can almost guarantee you they will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING here....if they did....the players union would be so far up their *** so quick they wouldn't be able to pass gas for a year...I hear what you are saying 100% but the league doesn't have to "care" about it. The personal conduct policy allows the NFL to discipline someone for a "bad look" as you call it. Teams can also punish a player if they want.roll your eyes post warning...
see this is where I kind of come to a crossroads.....and part of the reason I brought up the Hill thing...I would hope that if I am ever in a situation where something "looks bad"....I would hope that people wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement without knowing all the facts....99% of the general public thought is was a slam dunk Hill broke his kids arm, etc....and they slammed him and were quick to pass judgment and crucify him...and as it turns out, he didn't do it....
same thing is happening here....people somehow seem to "know" that what was in the bag was illegal even though they turn right around and say they don't even know what it is....which you even did in this post....if you don't know what it is, how do you know it's illegal....?....you don't....and you can say however many times you want it's because I have a brain or whatever....but you don't know....Diggs has diva behavior, and maybe isn't the greatest locker room guy, etc....but he has no record/history of anything drug related or any record of criminal/illegal stuff....I mean I may totally agree with you that it looks like something that may be illegal (considering the circumstances/environment/etc.) ....but we don't know, so it's really not fair to pound our chest and sling the "I know for sure it was illegal" narrative...
hundreds of NFL players are probably "around" illegal things EVERY day and maybe even pass them around in this type of atmosphere.....but it doesn't mean "they" are doing anything illegal.....sure if a cop rolls up and you are holding "the bag" "at that moment" then you are in possession or whatever....and maybe it says a little something about who you choose to hang out with....but heck I have a 31 year old and a 26 year old that have basically told me cocaine isn't even that big of a deal....not any worse then pot when it comes down to "whats at a party" it and pretty much every party scene has it and people do it like it was nothing....even people that you wouldn't think would "do it"....it's helps you keep partying, whatever...so yeah it's "illegal" but the stigma of "being around it" isn't what it used to be...(at least from when I grew up)...I get it....but it's a nothing burger until it is...Diggs hangs out with people that may or may not do coke....so does probably 75% or more of the NFL players...
"It is a privilege to be part of the National Football League. Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network, or any other NFL business. Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL. We must endeavor at all times to be people of high character; we must show respect for others inside and outside our workplace; and we must conduct ourselves in ways that favorably reflect on ourselves, our teams, the communities we represent, and the NFL.
...
It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime in a court of law. We are all held to a higher standard and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL, and is lawful.
Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following:
- Illegal possession, use, or distribution of alcohol or drugs;"
The NFL has different rules they play by, agree or not with their rules, this is not a good situation for Diggs. As I said before I do hope it turns out to be nothing but I'd rather not see him passing a bag off pink stuff on a boat while the rest of the team is at the facility busting their asses off getting ready for the season.
"and the decision of the Commissioner or his designee, which may overturn, reduce, modify or increase the discipline previously issued, will be final and binding on all parties. "
Big Nate
Footballguy
This is my last post on the matter. The league doesn't have to prove anything. It is all in what I quoted above. I work in this specific area and have represented people in grievances and appeals.the point is there won't even be anything to appeal.....the league and Rog know they have absolutely nothing to stand on here....they can't prove jack....and they won't open up this can of worms based on someone holding a baggie of something....The players union doesn't hold the cards if a player is in violation of the conduct policy. The union can appeal but the Commissioner holds the final say and it is binding.the league most certainly has to "care" about how they handle these things cause there is this little thing called the player's union......and really the only thing I can summarize from your post is that the NFL must not think he did anything illegal or anything that even sniffs violating their conduct policy....because I can almost guarantee you they will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING here....if they did....the players union would be so far up their *** so quick they wouldn't be able to pass gas for a year...I hear what you are saying 100% but the league doesn't have to "care" about it. The personal conduct policy allows the NFL to discipline someone for a "bad look" as you call it. Teams can also punish a player if they want.roll your eyes post warning...
see this is where I kind of come to a crossroads.....and part of the reason I brought up the Hill thing...I would hope that if I am ever in a situation where something "looks bad"....I would hope that people wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement without knowing all the facts....99% of the general public thought is was a slam dunk Hill broke his kids arm, etc....and they slammed him and were quick to pass judgment and crucify him...and as it turns out, he didn't do it....
same thing is happening here....people somehow seem to "know" that what was in the bag was illegal even though they turn right around and say they don't even know what it is....which you even did in this post....if you don't know what it is, how do you know it's illegal....?....you don't....and you can say however many times you want it's because I have a brain or whatever....but you don't know....Diggs has diva behavior, and maybe isn't the greatest locker room guy, etc....but he has no record/history of anything drug related or any record of criminal/illegal stuff....I mean I may totally agree with you that it looks like something that may be illegal (considering the circumstances/environment/etc.) ....but we don't know, so it's really not fair to pound our chest and sling the "I know for sure it was illegal" narrative...
hundreds of NFL players are probably "around" illegal things EVERY day and maybe even pass them around in this type of atmosphere.....but it doesn't mean "they" are doing anything illegal.....sure if a cop rolls up and you are holding "the bag" "at that moment" then you are in possession or whatever....and maybe it says a little something about who you choose to hang out with....but heck I have a 31 year old and a 26 year old that have basically told me cocaine isn't even that big of a deal....not any worse then pot when it comes down to "whats at a party" it and pretty much every party scene has it and people do it like it was nothing....even people that you wouldn't think would "do it"....it's helps you keep partying, whatever...so yeah it's "illegal" but the stigma of "being around it" isn't what it used to be...(at least from when I grew up)...I get it....but it's a nothing burger until it is...Diggs hangs out with people that may or may not do coke....so does probably 75% or more of the NFL players...
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The NFL has different rules they play by, agree or not with their rules, this is not a good situation for Diggs. As I said before I do hope it turns out to be nothing but I'd rather not see him passing a bag off pink stuff on a boat while the rest of the team is at the facility busting their asses off getting ready for the season.
"and the decision of the Commissioner or his designee, which may overturn, reduce, modify or increase the discipline previously issued, will be final and binding on all parties. "
I will repeat what I said above - I hope this turns into nothing and it very well could but it was big enough that the team was unhappy as shown in the media reports. If it all blows over then that is great for Diggs. Hopefully he keeps his nose clean the rest of the way and starts to focus on football.
As I said earlier, Diggs was only seen holding the baggie in the video. He was never seen ingesting what was in it, so nothing will become of it. And yes, I'm aware players are around illegal stuff all the time. All I said was that whatever was in the bag was illegal. And once again, I will say anyone who thinks different is naive. Lemme ask - if I held a gun to your head and forced you to ingest whatever was in that baggie, do you think your mind would've been altered?roll your eyes post warning...
see this is where I kind of come to a crossroads.....and part of the reason I brought up the Hill thing...I would hope that if I am ever in a situation where something "looks bad"....I would hope that people wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement without knowing all the facts....99% of the general public thought is was a slam dunk Hill broke his kids arm, etc....and they slammed him and were quick to pass judgment and crucify him...and as it turns out, he didn't do it....
same thing is happening here....people somehow seem to "know" that what was in the bag was illegal even though they turn right around and say they don't even know what it is....which you even did in this post....if you don't know what it is, how do you know it's illegal....?....you don't....and you can say however many times you want it's because I have a brain or whatever....but you don't know....Diggs has diva behavior, and maybe isn't the greatest locker room guy, etc....but he has no record/history of anything drug related or any record of criminal/illegal stuff....I mean I may totally agree with you that it looks like something that may be illegal (considering the circumstances/environment/etc.) ....but we don't know, so it's really not fair to pound our chest and sling the "I know for sure it was illegal" narrative...
hundreds of NFL players are probably "around" illegal things EVERY day and maybe even pass them around in this type of atmosphere.....but it doesn't mean "they" are doing anything illegal.....sure if a cop rolls up and you are holding "the bag" "at that moment" then you are in possession or whatever....and maybe it says a little something about who you choose to hang out with....but heck I have a 31 year old and a 26 year old that have basically told me cocaine isn't even that big of a deal....not any worse then pot when it comes down to "whats at a party" it and pretty much every party scene has it and people do it like it was nothing....even people that you wouldn't think would "do it"....it's helps you keep partying, whatever...so yeah it's "illegal" but the stigma of "being around it" isn't what it used to be...(at least from when I grew up)...I get it....but it's a nothing burger until it is...Diggs hangs out with people that may or may not do coke....so does probably 75% or more of the NFL players...
Blue Wave
Footballguy
Oh there's zero question as to what was in that bag. But you're right we can't be sure if he did it or not... but in terms of how that looks to the league, the photo might be worse than him having done it himself.As I said earlier, Diggs was only seen holding the baggie in the video. He was never seen ingesting what was in it, so nothing will become of it. And yes, I'm aware players are around illegal stuff all the time. All I said was that whatever was in the bag was illegal. And once again, I will say anyone who thinks different is naive. Lemme ask - if I held a gun to your head and forced you to ingest whatever was in that baggie, do you think your mind would've been altered?roll your eyes post warning...
see this is where I kind of come to a crossroads.....and part of the reason I brought up the Hill thing...I would hope that if I am ever in a situation where something "looks bad"....I would hope that people wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement without knowing all the facts....99% of the general public thought is was a slam dunk Hill broke his kids arm, etc....and they slammed him and were quick to pass judgment and crucify him...and as it turns out, he didn't do it....
same thing is happening here....people somehow seem to "know" that what was in the bag was illegal even though they turn right around and say they don't even know what it is....which you even did in this post....if you don't know what it is, how do you know it's illegal....?....you don't....and you can say however many times you want it's because I have a brain or whatever....but you don't know....Diggs has diva behavior, and maybe isn't the greatest locker room guy, etc....but he has no record/history of anything drug related or any record of criminal/illegal stuff....I mean I may totally agree with you that it looks like something that may be illegal (considering the circumstances/environment/etc.) ....but we don't know, so it's really not fair to pound our chest and sling the "I know for sure it was illegal" narrative...
hundreds of NFL players are probably "around" illegal things EVERY day and maybe even pass them around in this type of atmosphere.....but it doesn't mean "they" are doing anything illegal.....sure if a cop rolls up and you are holding "the bag" "at that moment" then you are in possession or whatever....and maybe it says a little something about who you choose to hang out with....but heck I have a 31 year old and a 26 year old that have basically told me cocaine isn't even that big of a deal....not any worse then pot when it comes down to "whats at a party" it and pretty much every party scene has it and people do it like it was nothing....even people that you wouldn't think would "do it"....it's helps you keep partying, whatever...so yeah it's "illegal" but the stigma of "being around it" isn't what it used to be...(at least from when I grew up)...I get it....but it's a nothing burger until it is...Diggs hangs out with people that may or may not do coke....so does probably 75% or more of the NFL players...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t agree with this assessment.
He’s reportedly ahead of schedule (despite rumors to the contrary) and when he’s right he’s one of the best in the game.
With a young QB in what should be an improved offense, I see potential for a FF WR2 season with upside for more.
Age ain’t nothin but a number, and smaller dudes like Diggs & Hill seem to age well.
The injury concern is valid, but if he clears his medicals I’m all in as a late round redraft bargain. The one dynasty share will be sold as soon as he has a good game or 3.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Literally said I had 1 dynasty share. In the post you quoted from. Also I think if/when he clears his physical many FF people will put him that high.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And this is where I put you on ignore. Have a nice day.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I do not have any shares of Diggs, but I could see a scenario where - if Maye is good as some think and Diggs is healthy - where he gets a bazillion targets and cashes enough to be a WR #2.
Blue Wave
Footballguy
Sure, anything is possible. There's a difference between seeing a scenario and predicting it though.
Would you personally have Diggs ranked in the top 36 WRs in fantasy this year?
Blue Wave
Footballguy
Good
Good points. I'm sure he will be drafted late rounds and probably dropped in many leagues. He's currently going as a WR4 and I think that is about right.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
:Chandler Bing Voice: Have you ever SEEN my predictions?
I'm horrible at them. And I haven't attempted any for 2025.
Just shooting from the hip here, but I don't think there's a big difference between WR40 (FBGs), WR44 (FPros), and Diggs ending up a few spots higher (your #36 above). I'm just saying that I can see him getting force-fed enough that a higher season-end doesn't seem crazy to me.
I would bet a nickel on it, but I'm also a horrible gambler
