WR Stefon Diggs, NE (2 Viewers)

[Boston]

For the "being cut is on the table" from Zolak, assuming nothing more or terrible comes out on the boat stuff, what % chance do you think he's cut?

"Being on the table" is a wide range.

I think it is really tough to say because as far as I know no one (i.e. the general public) knows anything else negative other than the boat incident but IMO there is no way Zolak just throws out something for clicks or Talk Radio fodder...that is not who he is...the bottom-line is Vrabel is all-in on culture...he has been preaching it non-stop as he should because the Pats have been adrift since the last few years of BB...if there is other negative stuff swirling around Diggs he almost has to cut him because right now he has to play the long game...as much as the Pats could use Diggs they are not one player away from competing for a title and Vrabel has to practice what he preaches and I fully expect him to do so IF there is other stuff going on that he was concerned about before the boat incident became public...due to the unknown I put this at 50/50 right now.

Thanks. That's higher than I was thinking but good insight. And from your screen name, I'm assuming Patriots are your team.

In one way, I can see it as a dramatic maybe wild but just might work shot across the bow for Vrabel to cement the "Nobody bigger than the team" thing. That's a VERY expensive shot across the bow though. I'd think a ton of that would depend on how Diggs is perceived in the locker room. It'll be much easier if tons of players resent or don't like him for some reason. Much tougher if he's everyone's buddy.

My guess is the "everybody's buddy" does not matter because he really hasn't played for them yet...I think many are not understanding what is most important here...it is not Diggs it is Vrabel...if this was a one-off incident I think they deal with the headache and move on...not optimal but he gets his one-strike and they move on...it's the NFL and no one will really care the second he makes his first catch in a Patriots uni (which is exactly what I am rooting for as a Patriots fan)...as I keep saying everyone is guessing but until we know what this "other stuff" is (and if Zolak says it I 100% believe there is more going on and Zolak is not gonna be used in some type of team-ploy...I find that to be a foolish angle quite honestly)...if there have been issues and Vrabel has already warned him that takes things to a totally different level and not to be overly dramatic but Vrabel risks his credibility which I believe is one of his biggest strengths...the Pats locker-room needed to be fumigated after the past few years and Vrabel has been aggressive doing so this offseason...he is not going to piss that all away for a 31 year old Stefon Diggs if there is in-fact something else going on here...and I have no clue that there is like everyone else here.

I think I understand though it's both. Yes, it would be a statement from Vrabel. But it's not in a vacuum. Diggs has a role. Will be interesting to see.

I have seen lots of organizations personally where sometimes removing a talented but problematic person is a big plus in the overall. No idea if that applies here. But it's something I've seen often.

No doubt if they cut him it hurts the team on-field...zero doubt...also, Vrabel is a very street-smart guy who understands the personalities of the NFL...he is no boy scout so he wouldn't cut him because of one thing (outside of something like a domestic) but if this is something where Diggs has disrespected him (and I hate that word TBH) I don't think Vrabel would think twice about cutting him.

 

[TheWinz]

As a Vikings fan I love Diggs and wish him the best.

This stuff about him dating Cardi B (I did not know that) reminds me of this funny thing Brian Robison did.. 96 questions where he asks players who would they not want to date their sister and most of them said Diggs.

P Diggsy

 

[TheWinz]

Zolak talks about things he’s heard on his radio show all the time. Some things have more legs than others. I remember times where he said a big trade was going down any minute and none were made. There were other times things he brought up didn’t materialize (changes in personnel, injuries, signings, etc.) That doesn’t mean there weren’t discussions about it or he was necessarily wrong, only that some of those things didn’t end up happening.

I don’t think he usually would be the first source of information for a major story, which is part of the reason I find this situation a little surprising. Put another way, he’s not really positioned to be a news breaker, and I think there are other guys that would have been on this before him. Like I said, internally, I think NE has discussed how to handle things with Diggs and potential outcomes. But I think things would really need to escalate to get to the point where they would have more serious discussions about moving on from him. Short of some shocking revelations that we have no knowledge of right now, I don’t think they are seriously considering moving on from him . . . AS THINGS STAND NOW.

Very well put. Anarchy99! We always hear about teams doing their due diligence before drafting or trading for a player. NE surely did theirs, and knew full well Diggs would be Diggs. Sadly, there is a sliding scale for how much crap a team will take from a player before being cut, and the main element is talent.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

and the main element is talent.

I’ve mentioned this numerous times, most recently in the ARod topic.

It’s a line graph with a “talent” and a “problematic” axis.

Where on that axis the talent fails to exceed the problems, you’ll see teams taking more action. Unfortunately that means guys like AB get numerous chances to be a problem, often for numerous teams.

Sometimes the players check their head & it works out - Tyreek Hill comes to mind with some of his early career antics. That said there was a recent issue with a boat assault that comes to mind, but it all went away somehow.

Diggs coming off an ACL is kind of breaking new ground. The talent was there pre-injury. ACL recovery is pretty well understood. But he’s also got age as a factor.

IMO if he’s looking good on the field, this will all become a nothing burger. Team said what it was supposed to say, Diggs will stay out of trouble, Pats get their WR.

But if he’s struggling to recover as reported (I heard it on Fox Sports radio last Sunday) then it could go any number of directions.

Economics also come into play. Unless there’s a failed drug test & out clauses in his contract, he’s simply due too much money to cut. In my opinion, again.

 

[Big Nate]

As a Diggs dynasty owner his situation continues to get worse with each passing week. I'm not liking this at all and don't have a good feeling about him this year and going forward.

I was hoping he would have 1-2 more good years left but he is aging, coming of an ACL injury and now there is off-field stuff that is not good. There is a chance he's not fantasy football relevant again.

 

[fatness]

Diggs is back at OTA's today (Monday).

Monday brought word from offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels that Diggs was back with the team. McDaniels did not address Zolak’s comments, but he did say that he’s not worried about Diggs, who is recovering from a torn ACL, picking up the offense after missing voluntary work. “I know he’s staying up on information and material. . . . Not concerned about Stef in that regard,” McDaniels said, via Mark Daniels of MassLive.com. PFT discussed the mechanics of a possible release on Sunday, but it does not seem like any move is imminent in New England.

 

[ffmail4me]

Diggs is back at OTA's today (Monday).

Monday brought word from offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels that Diggs was back with the team. McDaniels did not address Zolak’s comments, but he did say that he’s not worried about Diggs, who is recovering from a torn ACL, picking up the offense after missing voluntary work. “I know he’s staying up on information and material. . . . Not concerned about Stef in that regard,” McDaniels said, via Mark Daniels of MassLive.com. PFT discussed the mechanics of a possible release on Sunday, but it does not seem like any move is imminent in New England.

But clearly worried about him in other areas...the idiot factor is strong in this one

 

[Stinkin Ref]

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?...people are calling this a "boat incident"...????.....he was on a boat partying with some women/people/famous people....whatever....he didn't miss anything "mandatory"....we have no idea how much rehab work he is putting in....he could be doing everything he needs to do....and maybe more....you don't have to rehab 24/7......he didn't get in any legal trouble....we have no idea what was in the bag, etc....is a dude with a lot of money not allowed to go out on a boat and party...?.....he isn't going to be the "guy in the building everyday/team leader" robot or something.....don't get me wrong, dude may have some issues and maybe isn't giving off the best "look", but there are a lot of guys in the league who don't really care about being "teammate of the year"...whenever he is able to suit up and goes 7-90-1 people are gonna be like "what boat?"....

 

[Joe Bryant]

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?...people are calling this a "boat incident"...????.....he was on a boat partying with some women/people/famous people....whatever....he didn't miss anything "mandatory"....we have no idea how much rehab work he is putting in....he could be doing everything he needs to do....and maybe more....you don't have to rehab 24/7......he didn't get in any legal trouble....we have no idea what was in the bag, etc....is a dude with a lot of money not allowed to go out on a boat and party...?.....he isn't going to be the "guy in the building everyday/team leader" robot or something.....don't get me wrong, dude may have some issues and maybe isn't giving off the best "look", but there are a lot of guys in the league who don't really care about being "teammate of the year"...whenever he is able to suit up and goes 7-90-1 people are gonna be like "what boat?"....

I'm at least with you. I don't have any evidence other than gut feel but it feels like the "release on the table" talk is massively overhyped. That felt like Vrabel tough-guying it talk to me and Zolak was useful for him.

 

[fatness]

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?

I think it's pretty much a nothingburger. It's a slow time for NFL and fantasy news, so articles like this (and like Belichick/Hudson) get more coverage than they would during football season. The important thing about Diggs is how he practices and plays in NE, and we won't know that for awhile.

 

[Anarchy99]

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?...people are calling this a "boat incident"...????.....he was on a boat partying with some women/people/famous people....whatever....he didn't miss anything "mandatory"....we have no idea how much rehab work he is putting in....he could be doing everything he needs to do....and maybe more....you don't have to rehab 24/7......he didn't get in any legal trouble....we have no idea what was in the bag, etc....is a dude with a lot of money not allowed to go out on a boat and party...?.....he isn't going to be the "guy in the building everyday/team leader" robot or something.....don't get me wrong, dude may have some issues and maybe isn't giving off the best "look", but there are a lot of guys in the league who don't really care about being "teammate of the year"...whenever he is able to suit up and goes 7-90-1 people are gonna be like "what boat?"....

I mostly agree that this is getting way overhyped, but the potential reasons for concern are:
1) lots of sketchy, free-spirited folks have called into sports talk radio stating what they feel was in the bag (and they claim it's not legal . . . but as far as we can tell, the NFL is not investigating)
2) still questions on how healthy Diggs is and when he'll be suiting up in real games (some places feel he will miss the first 4 weeks)
3) it appears that his style and Vrabel's style and demeanor don't mix well
4) the report from Zolak said there were other behind the scenes issues that had nothing to do with the boat incident that were potentially more troublesome
5) some folks close to the team suggested Diggs needed to fess up and tell Vrabel mea culpa to his face to get out of the doghouse (no one has commented on what their actions and discussions were)

As I posted earlier, I still think there is a decent chance this all was a power play being played out through the media to illustrate to the roster that Vrabel is serious about getting people to shape up for fear of reprisals and potential player releases if guys didn't straighten up and fly right. It makes Vrabel look tough for the fans and the players. I just don't see the Kraft's handing Diggs $16M to never play a single down in a NE uniform. I am slightly curious what the undisclosed issues could be, but that could have been exaggerated, too. The net result appears to be the narrative that Diggs is on a short rope and any other issues will have repercussions. (I don't buy that, but that's what the talking heads seem to think).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?

I think it's pretty much a nothingburger. It's a slow time for NFL and fantasy news, so articles like this (and like Belichick/Hudson) get more coverage than they would during football season. The important thing about Diggs is how he practices and plays in NE, and we won't know that for awhile.

I agree. This is exactly the time of year I try to pay less attention to news.

Also FWIW Diggs showed up at voluntary OTA’s today. Which seems like a positive development.

It also seems like a bit of validation to the theory that the Pats leaked the “might cut” story as a motivational ploy. Wild speculation of course, but hey, he’s at OTAs, so

 

[Deamon]

we have no idea what was in the bag,

1) lots of sketchy, free-spirited folks have called into sports talk radio stating what they feel was in the bag (and they claim it's not legal . . . but as far as we can tell, the NFL is not investigating)

I'm not saying it's worth any NFL punishment, but call a spade a spade. There is very little question as to what was in the bag, and that it's illegal. That's the thing that's getting the most attention/talk.

 

[Anarchy99]

Diggs at OTAs but not really participating in anything with the team.

Heard some of Zolak’s show today. Lots of people calling in to discuss the video, but no one asked him about the other unspecified stuff that he was so concerned about.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As I posted earlier, I still think there is a decent chance this all was a power play being played out through the media to illustrate to the roster that Vrabel is serious about getting people to shape up for fear of reprisals and potential player releases if guys didn't straighten up and fly right

Yes.

. I just don't see the Kraft's handing Diggs $16M to never play a single down in a NE uniform.

I read speculation yesterday (forget where) that the Pats could get out without paying him a dime if their medical staff doesn’t clear him.

That would undoubtedly lead to Diggs making a claim against them, getting Independant clearance, and would result in a settlement of like 5-6M, but that would be cheaper than his fully guaranteed amount.

That said, they still need a WR, so I’m back to “ nothing burger” - it was a pic on a boat, with no proof of anything illegal. No arrest, no evidence.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There is very little question as to what was in the bag, and that it's illegal. That's the thing that's getting the most attention/talk.

Far as anyone can prove it was Benadryl.

That said, even if he’s holding a bag of something illegal, there’s nothing showing that he was using it, or that it was even his.

I’m just saying - it’s probably a bunch of safe assumptions that we can make as rational humans, but from a team discipline, NFL discipline standpoint, it’s a whole lot of circumstantial stuff.

 

[brun]

Finely ground pink Himalayan salt is not illegal.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Finely ground pink Himalayan salt is not illegal.

Exactly.

 

[JohnnyU]

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?...people are calling this a "boat incident"...????.....he was on a boat partying with some women/people/famous people....whatever....he didn't miss anything "mandatory"....we have no idea how much rehab work he is putting in....he could be doing everything he needs to do....and maybe more....you don't have to rehab 24/7......he didn't get in any legal trouble....we have no idea what was in the bag, etc....is a dude with a lot of money not allowed to go out on a boat and party...?.....he isn't going to be the "guy in the building everyday/team leader" robot or something.....don't get me wrong, dude may have some issues and maybe isn't giving off the best "look", but there are a lot of guys in the league who don't really care about being "teammate of the year"...whenever he is able to suit up and goes 7-90-1 people are gonna be like "what boat?"....

Boats are cool

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I ran into Vrabel at a bar back in the day. Was he not supposed to be there? This was during his playing days with New England.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I bet the league tests him now if they haven't already.

 

[Big Nate]

I ran into Vrabel at a bar back in the day. Was he not supposed to be there? This was during his playing days with New England.

Not sure where you are going with this and how it compares to what Diggs is doing. The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag. Someone hanging at a bar is much different than someone who might be in possession of illegal drugs.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I bet the league tests him now if they haven't already.

I’m betting he got tested the next day.

Thank goodness for the Whizinator!

 

[Deamon]

I bet the league tests him now if they haven't already.

Not sure the league cares that much about testing for these recreational, non performance enhancing drugs. You hear more about players being suspended for some random ingredient in their pre-workout than for cocaine, etc. And that bag is 100% pink cocaine (sure, they can't prove it and he can say it's Himalayan salt but c'mon)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I bet the league tests him now if they haven't already.

Not sure the league cares that much about testing for these recreational, non performance enhancing drugs. You hear more about players being suspended for some random ingredient in their pre-workout than for cocaine, etc. And that bag is 100% pink cocaine (sure, they can't prove it and he can say it's Himalayan salt but c'mon)

Also, fun fact, cocaine only shows up in a blood test for 24-48 hours. It stays in urine for roughly 4 days.

So assuming this was a 1-off party drug type situation and not “Diggs is a cocaine addict”, even if he got tested in a day or two, it might as well be Himalayan sea salt for all intents & purposes.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I ran into Vrabel at a bar back in the day. Was he not supposed to be there? This was during his playing days with New England.

Not sure where you are going with this and how it compares to what Diggs is doing. The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag. Someone hanging at a bar is much different than someone who might be in possession of illegal drugs.

What? How do you know what is in a bag? There is no way to learn what was in the bag. Diggs is out on a boat enjoying himself. No arrest. No illegal drugs were found. No story. If they are so concerned, test him if they can do that.

It could be anything, and no one will know unless he says what it was. This is a big nothing burger.

 

[RandyDB]

This may well be a nothing burger to us, I have a suspicion it may not be a nothing burger to Vrabel.

 

[Deamon]

I ran into Vrabel at a bar back in the day. Was he not supposed to be there? This was during his playing days with New England.

Not sure where you are going with this and how it compares to what Diggs is doing. The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag. Someone hanging at a bar is much different than someone who might be in possession of illegal drugs.

What? How do you know what is in a bag? There is no way to learn what was in the bag. Diggs is out on a boat enjoying himself. No arrest. No illegal drugs were found. No story. If they are so concerned, test him if they can do that.

It could be anything, and no one will know unless he says what it was. This is a big nothing burger.

Common sense. We know what was in the bag man.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This may well be a nothing burger to us, I have a suspicion it may not be a nothing burger to Vrabel.

Well it got him to show up at OTAs, and I believe Vrabel said he’s spoken with Diggs about it.

And he hasn’t been cut. Yet.

So… I guess we wait & see if he passes his physical?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?...people are calling this a "boat incident"...????.....he was on a boat partying with some women/people/famous people....whatever....he didn't miss anything "mandatory"....we have no idea how much rehab work he is putting in....he could be doing everything he needs to do....and maybe more....you don't have to rehab 24/7......he didn't get in any legal trouble....we have no idea what was in the bag, etc....is a dude with a lot of money not allowed to go out on a boat and party...?.....he isn't going to be the "guy in the building everyday/team leader" robot or something.....don't get me wrong, dude may have some issues and maybe isn't giving off the best "look", but there are a lot of guys in the league who don't really care about being "teammate of the year"...whenever he is able to suit up and goes 7-90-1 people are gonna be like "what boat?"....

Boats are cool

Prestige Worldwide.....wide....wide...

 

[Boston]

Curran with a potential double dose of good news about Diggs:

While there was speculation about Diggs potentially being cut as a result of the boat video, Curran reports "there will be no fallout" from the incident.

"The sense I'm getting is there will be no fallout based on what happened last weekend," Curran said. "There's been a lot of talk about it being on the table that Stefon Diggs could be released. I think the table can be put away. There's nothing on the table regarding that."

Curran also believes, based on what he watched on Monday, Diggs is trending toward being on the Patriots' active roster in Week 1.

"It would look to me as if he might be a player who could be taking snaps in preseason games," he said. "And if you said, 'Do you think based on what you saw that Stefon Diggs will start the season on the Patriots' active roster?' I would say, 'Yes, I would say that.'"

Patriots OTA takeaways: Diggs returns, offense bounces back

Tom E. Curran and Phil Perry discuss what they saw at Monday’s Patriots OTA practice, including star wide receiver Stefon Diggs’ return to the field.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[Big Nate]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

The reality is with the NFL a bad look can land someone in a suspension. I know what you are getting at but the NFL and maybe NE might not like this look. This may end up as nothing, but right now its not nothing....

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

 

[Big Nate]

I ran into Vrabel at a bar back in the day. Was he not supposed to be there? This was during his playing days with New England.

Not sure where you are going with this and how it compares to what Diggs is doing. The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag. Someone hanging at a bar is much different than someone who might be in possession of illegal drugs.

What? How do you know what is in a bag? There is no way to learn what was in the bag. Diggs is out on a boat enjoying himself. No arrest. No illegal drugs were found. No story. If they are so concerned, test him if they can do that.

It could be anything, and no one will know unless he says what it was. This is a big nothing burger.

I do a lot of boating, I carry bags of pink salts around as samplers for fun. People test it before I use it for curing and smoking meats.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

Actually no, we don’t.

I mean we might assume what it is, we might even be pretty sure of it.

But we don’t actually “know” anything.

If he’d been pulled over and caught with it, cops tested it & proved that it was cocaine or whatever, then we’d know.

Right now we have a photo or video. Which also doesn’t show Diggs using whatever it is. That’s also relevant.

Circumstantial at best. Proof of nothing. I’m just calling it like I see it. Players don’t catch suspensions for being suspected of stuff, they catch suspensions for doing stuff.

It’s a bad look. I’ll agree totally with that. I just don’t see it resulting in anything. If he pops positive on a drug test, he gone. Otherwise, it’s likely

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

The reality is with the NFL a bad look can land someone in a suspension. I know what you are getting at but the NFL and maybe NE might not like this look. This may end up as nothing, but right now its not nothing....

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

can you give an example of this where a player was suspended solely for a "bad look" ....or are just saying it "can happen"...because TBH the league has seemed to error completely on the other side...

 

[menobrown]

Curran also believes, based on what he watched on Monday, Diggs is trending toward being on the Patriots' active roster in Week 1.

Seeing a bunch of videos of him working out today, without the need for a brace, I think that’s a safe assumption.

Also in other NE WR news Efton Chism sure is getting a lot of buzz. So much someone drafted him in $350 redraft I was in earlier today.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also in other NE WR news Efton Chism sure is getting a lot of buzz. So much someone drafted him in $350 redraft I was in earlier today.

I keep seeing his name come up on Bluesky & a read a couple articles. He’s got some buzz going for sure. Imma try to claim him in a couple leagues where he went undrafted (all 3 of my dynasty leagues)

 

[smbkrypt24]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

The reality is with the NFL a bad look can land someone in a suspension. I know what you are getting at but the NFL and maybe NE might not like this look. This may end up as nothing, but right now its not nothing....

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

can you give an example of this where a player was suspended solely for a "bad look" ....or are just saying it "can happen"...because TBH the league has seemed to error completely on the other side...

Was the Elliott situation a suspension based solely on a bad look?

 

[Big Nate]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

The reality is with the NFL a bad look can land someone in a suspension. I know what you are getting at but the NFL and maybe NE might not like this look. This may end up as nothing, but right now its not nothing....

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

can you give an example of this where a player was suspended solely for a "bad look" ....or are just saying it "can happen"...because TBH the league has seemed to error completely on the other side...

Was the Elliott situation a suspension based solely on a bad look?

Yes for a violation of their personal conduct policy. Criminal charges were not pursued but the NFL proceeded with its personal conduct policy investigation.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

The reality is with the NFL a bad look can land someone in a suspension. I know what you are getting at but the NFL and maybe NE might not like this look. This may end up as nothing, but right now its not nothing....

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

can you give an example of this where a player was suspended solely for a "bad look" ....or are just saying it "can happen"...because TBH the league has seemed to error completely on the other side...

Was the Elliott situation a suspension based solely on a bad look?

hmmm...IIRC...which I may not....wasn't there video and then also a bunch of people around to collaborate/prove what happened.....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

The reality is with the NFL a bad look can land someone in a suspension. I know what you are getting at but the NFL and maybe NE might not like this look. This may end up as nothing, but right now its not nothing....

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

can you give an example of this where a player was suspended solely for a "bad look" ....or are just saying it "can happen"...because TBH the league has seemed to error completely on the other side...

Was the Elliott situation a suspension based solely on a bad look?

Yes for a violation of their personal conduct policy. Criminal charges were not pursued but the NFL proceeded with its personal conduct policy investigation.

well... think it is also important to maybe clarify what/which suspension we are talking about because he was suspended for 6 games for a DV investigation where there was evidence, etc.....so much so that Zeke decided not to even appeal that suspension...

the NFL did nothing/"didn't consider" with regard to the incident I was thinking about...the "shirt exposure" incident

so I guess I would ask if there is another example...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

The reality is with the NFL a bad look can land someone in a suspension. I know what you are getting at but the NFL and maybe NE might not like this look. This may end up as nothing, but right now its not nothing....

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

can you give an example of this where a player was suspended solely for a "bad look" ....or are just saying it "can happen"...because TBH the league has seemed to error completely on the other side...

Was the Elliott situation a suspension based solely on a bad look?

Yes for a violation of their personal conduct policy. Criminal charges were not pursued but the NFL proceeded with its personal conduct policy investigation.

well... think it is also important to maybe clarify what/which suspension we are talking about because he was suspended for 6 games for a DV investigation where there was evidence, etc.....so much so that Zeke decided not to even appeal that suspension...

Yeah, for “conduct unbecoming” I’d think Diggs would have had to have been caught with it, not merely caught on film.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

The reality is with the NFL a bad look can land someone in a suspension. I know what you are getting at but the NFL and maybe NE might not like this look. This may end up as nothing, but right now its not nothing....

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

can you give an example of this where a player was suspended solely for a "bad look" ....or are just saying it "can happen"...because TBH the league has seemed to error completely on the other side...

Was the Elliott situation a suspension based solely on a bad look?

Yes for a violation of their personal conduct policy. Criminal charges were not pursued but the NFL proceeded with its personal conduct policy investigation.

well... think it is also important to maybe clarify what/which suspension we are talking about because he was suspended for 6 games for a DV investigation where there was evidence, etc.....so much so that Zeke decided not to even appeal that suspension...

Yeah, for “conduct unbecoming” I’d think Diggs would have had to have been caught with it, not merely caught on film.

not a person on this planet would lose their job/get suspended if it was them instead of Diggs in that video....

 

[osubuckeyeman]

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I ran into Vrabel at a bar back in the day. Was he not supposed to be there? This was during his playing days with New England.

Not sure where you are going with this and how it compares to what Diggs is doing. The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag. Someone hanging at a bar is much different than someone who might be in possession of illegal drugs.

What? How do you know what is in a bag? There is no way to learn what was in the bag. Diggs is out on a boat enjoying himself. No arrest. No illegal drugs were found. No story. If they are so concerned, test him if they can do that.

It could be anything, and no one will know unless he says what it was. This is a big nothing burger.

I do a lot of boating, I carry bags of pink salts around as samplers for fun. People test it before I use it for curing and smoking meats.

Be careful; that sounds a lot like sodium nitrate.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I ran into Vrabel at a bar back in the day. Was he not supposed to be there? This was during his playing days with New England.

Not sure where you are going with this and how it compares to what Diggs is doing. The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag. Someone hanging at a bar is much different than someone who might be in possession of illegal drugs.

What? How do you know what is in a bag? There is no way to learn what was in the bag. Diggs is out on a boat enjoying himself. No arrest. No illegal drugs were found. No story. If they are so concerned, test him if they can do that.

It could be anything, and no one will know unless he says what it was. This is a big nothing burger.

Common sense. We know what was in the bag man.

Thank god you need more than someone's view of common sense.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

A guy was on a boat with some drugs and a bunch of hot girls.

Ok.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?...people are calling this a "boat incident"...????.....he was on a boat partying with some women/people/famous people....whatever....he didn't miss anything "mandatory"....we have no idea how much rehab work he is putting in....he could be doing everything he needs to do....and maybe more....you don't have to rehab 24/7......he didn't get in any legal trouble....we have no idea what was in the bag, etc....is a dude with a lot of money not allowed to go out on a boat and party...?.....he isn't going to be the "guy in the building everyday/team leader" robot or something.....don't get me wrong, dude may have some issues and maybe isn't giving off the best "look", but there are a lot of guys in the league who don't really care about being "teammate of the year"...whenever he is able to suit up and goes 7-90-1 people are gonna be like "what boat?"....

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?...people are calling this a "boat incident"...????.....he was on a boat partying with some women/people/famous people....whatever....he didn't miss anything "mandatory"....we have no idea how much rehab work he is putting in....he could be doing everything he needs to do....and maybe more....you don't have to rehab 24/7......he didn't get in any legal trouble....we have no idea what was in the bag, etc....is a dude with a lot of money not allowed to go out on a boat and party...?.....he isn't going to be the "guy in the building everyday/team leader" robot or something.....don't get me wrong, dude may have some issues and maybe isn't giving off the best "look", but there are a lot of guys in the league who don't really care about being "teammate of the year"...whenever he is able to suit up and goes 7-90-1 people are gonna be like "what boat?"....

I'm at least with you. I don't have any evidence other than gut feel but it feels like the "release on the table" talk is massively overhyped. That felt like Vrabel tough-guying it talk to me and Zolak was useful for him.

am I the only one that thinks this is really a nothing burger....?

I think it's pretty much a nothingburger. It's a slow time for NFL and fantasy news, so articles like this (and like Belichick/Hudson) get more coverage than they would during football season. The important thing about Diggs is how he practices and plays in NE, and we won't know that for awhile.

I missed these more reasonable takes.

 

[smbkrypt24]

A guy was on a boat with some drugs and a bunch of hot girls.

Ok.

I think the hot girls part was questionable

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The main issue with this situation is what type of drugs is this in the bag

Which means this is a complete non-issue, because no one actually knows. No one will ever know. I mean, of course Diggs & the people on the boat know, but they’re not gonna say what it is.

For all we know it’s pink sea salt, or Benadryl, or the crumbs of pink animal crackers they snacked on after lunch.

Without actual evidence, it’s just a bad look in a photo.

The reality is with the NFL a bad look can land someone in a suspension. I know what you are getting at but the NFL and maybe NE might not like this look. This may end up as nothing, but right now its not nothing....

Also we know its not salt, Benadryl etc....

can you give an example of this where a player was suspended solely for a "bad look" ....or are just saying it "can happen"...because TBH the league has seemed to error completely on the other side...

Was the Elliott situation a suspension based solely on a bad look?

Yes for a violation of their personal conduct policy. Criminal charges were not pursued but the NFL proceeded with its personal conduct policy investigation.

well... think it is also important to maybe clarify what/which suspension we are talking about because he was suspended for 6 games for a DV investigation where there was evidence, etc.....so much so that Zeke decided not to even appeal that suspension...

Yeah, for “conduct unbecoming” I’d think Diggs would have had to have been caught with it, not merely caught on film.

not a person on this planet would lose their job/get suspended if it was them instead of Diggs in that video....

Certainly not me.*










*I’m self employed.