WR Stefon Diggs, NE (7 Viewers)

[Big Nate]

I'm still not buying everything on Diggs. Beat guys said he looked great running on the sidelines. But that's not football. He still hasn't passed a physical, he hasn't been activated, and NE could still pull the rug out from under him if they wanted. From what I could tell, they would only have paid him $4M if they wanted to run him out of town. Not saying that's where we are headed. but that is an outcome still on the table. How he is actually doing in his recovery is pure guesswork. There's a huge difference in running on the sideline and planting, cutting, and getting hit by a Mack truck. The return timetable has ranged from no delays or setbacks and active Week 1 . . . to potentially going on short-term IR or PUP and missing the first 4 weeks of the season. The boat episode may be gone but not forgotten. Ignoring all of that, my key things to consider are a soon to be 32-year-old WR returning from a serious knee injury on an offense that couldn't get out of its own way the past two seasons. I also am concerned the Pats have new faces on offense, but it remains to be seen if they actually got much better. And the McDaniel's system without Brady has been . . . not great. It's ranked in the 20s on average in points and yards without TB12. That's how things look through my lens, but others may see things differently.

I'm with you at this stage. Everyone looks good running in a straight line - until they are in a game and need to make movements at 100%.

There was a lot of talk about him missing the first 4 games and being on PUP. Right now that has died down a bit so I'm looking to maybe move him in a package deal. Obviously I can't move him straight up for a younger WR so one must be creative. I'm trying to capitalize on no negative news right now.

I believe in the talent, I just don't believe in him for the first 4-6 weeks. Even if he plays he's still coming off a serious knee injury that often takes half to a full season to get right. Yes they play but they aren't 100% yet. He is also turning 32 this fall.

If I could wait to capitalize after a good game or two I might be waiting 4-8 weeks. At that point would I get anymore than I would now?

The only hope is he plays week 1 and balls out right at the start of the season. Otherwise he will be forgotten and his value will continue to tank.

 

[wgoldsph]

And the McDaniel's system without Brady has been . . . not great.

I wonder just how much of everything was because of Brady. Everyone around him seems to fall apart when he's gone.

 

[Boston]

And the McDaniel's system without Brady has been . . . not great.

I wonder just how much of everything was because of Brady. Everyone around him seems to fall apart when he's gone.

McDaniels is a good OC (but not a good HC)...while you have to give a good amount of credit to Brady (actually a lot of credit) the work he did with Cam for that one year and Mac in his rookie year was excellent...he absolutely got the most out of both of them and the subpar talent BB saddled him with those years...I fully expect a dramatic upgrade in coaching for the Pats this year as they go from Mayo/Van Pelt to Vrabel/McDaniels.

 

[Anarchy99]

And the McDaniel's system without Brady has been . . . not great.

I wonder just how much of everything was because of Brady. Everyone around him seems to fall apart when he's gone.

McDaniels is a good OC (but not a good HC)...while you have to give a good amount of credit to Brady (actually a lot of credit) the work he did with Cam for that one year and Mac in his rookie year was excellent...he absolutely got the most out of both of them and the subpar talent BB saddled him with those years...I fully expect a dramatic upgrade in coaching for the Pats this year as they go from Mayo/Van Pelt to Vrabel/McDaniels.

I’ll give you that the coaching staff is a huge upgrade, but I’m not sure the talent level offensively is anywhere near what it was in the Brady era. It’s a lot closer to the Rams than it was with either the Broncos or Raiders when McDaniels was with those teams. His time in NE without Brady produced a mixed bag of results. Not sure how we ended up here, as this is a Diggs thread. On that front, it’s really difficult what to expect out of Diggs given a lot of moving parts and issues.

 

[Boston]

And the McDaniel's system without Brady has been . . . not great.

I wonder just how much of everything was because of Brady. Everyone around him seems to fall apart when he's gone.

McDaniels is a good OC (but not a good HC)...while you have to give a good amount of credit to Brady (actually a lot of credit) the work he did with Cam for that one year and Mac in his rookie year was excellent...he absolutely got the most out of both of them and the subpar talent BB saddled him with those years...I fully expect a dramatic upgrade in coaching for the Pats this year as they go from Mayo/Van Pelt to Vrabel/McDaniels.

I’ll give you that the coaching staff is a huge upgrade, but I’m not sure the talent level offensively is anywhere near what it was in the Brady era. It’s a lot closer to the Rams than it was with either the Broncos or Raiders when McDaniels was with those teams. His time in NE without Brady produced a mixed bag of results. Not sure how we ended up here, as this is a Diggs thread. On that front, it’s really difficult what to expect out of Diggs given a lot of moving parts and issues.

No one thinks the talent level is close to the Brady era and not sure why that comparison would even be on the table...for those that are realistic it is very easy to see the talent-level (at least on paper) has been upgraded in a big way from the ditch BB left them in and the organization continued with last year...that doesn't mean this team is gonna win 11 games but it should mean they play competent football and will be competitive on a weekly basis and hopefully be in that 8 win ballpark...this is year 1 of a total rebuild and because there are still plenty of holes (especially at WR) someone like Diggs has a great opportunity to be very productive in the short-term...the x-factor as we all know is his injury which good or bad no one fully knows...all we do know is it appears it is heading in the direction but the good news is camp is starting so we can go from speculation to real info in the next month or so.

 

[Anarchy99]

For those that are realistic it is very easy to see the talent-level (at least on paper) has been upgraded in a big way from the ditch BB left them in and the organization continued with last year.

The "on paper" part is where this gets hard to decipher. NE offensive rookies and players that other teams didn't want and the teams they were on cut them or opted not to re-sign them. But does that make them upgrades? They have some new parts on the OL . . . either rookies or retreads. Better? Who knows? Their WR room was deplorable and they added Diggs, Williams, and Hollins. Better? Who knows? It would hard for them to be worse, so "probably" is the right answer but the bar was terribly low.

They added Henderson . . . but does adding what likely will be a RB to a RBBC situation move the needle much? Who knows? Are any of the countless picks they made on offense in recent years going to play any better? Who knows? So no . . . I am not going to say that the "talent-level (on offense) has been upgraded in a big way" without any push back. Could they be? Sure. Will they be? Maybe. Is there a chance they are just as non-productive? Absolutely.

What I see is a few different players with a different coaching staff. But even that is getting overlooked. Their on their 7th OL coach in as many seasons. Their on their 4th OC in as many seasons. Their on their 6th WR coach in as many seasons. They haven't named a RB coach yet, but that guy will by their 5th one in 6 years. They've had a different QB coach in 6 consecutive seasons and a different TE coach the past 4. So sure, even I will suggest this coaching staff is more seasoned than last year's, but what I'm seeing is a lot of change for change's sake over the year. The staff they compiled all came from recent teams that were terrible and all these guys lost their jobs). It may seem like the Avengers are uniting, but like a lot of the players, they are retreads.

And for all the Patriots fans, I AM NOT saying they will be a dumpster fire again. But I am saying they could be. They also have a chance to turn things around if things play out right and be a wildcard team. But the range on their win total is likely the widest of any team in the NFL. I am expecting them to potentially double their win total, but that has more to do with a cupcake schedule than major talent upgrades.

 

[Boston]

For those that are realistic it is very easy to see the talent-level (at least on paper) has been upgraded in a big way from the ditch BB left them in and the organization continued with last year.

The "on paper" part is where this gets hard to decipher. NE offensive rookies and players that other teams didn't want and the teams they were on cut them or opted not to re-sign them. But does that make them upgrades? They have some new parts on the OL . . . either rookies or retreads. Better? Who knows? Their WR room was deplorable and they added Diggs, Williams, and Hollins. Better? Who knows? It would hard for them to be worse, so "probably" is the right answer but the bar was terribly low.

They added Henderson . . . but does adding what likely will be a RB to a RBBC situation move the needle much? Who knows? Are any of the countless picks they made on offense in recent years going to play any better? Who knows? So no . . . I am not going to say that the "talent-level (on offense) has been upgraded in a big way" without any push back. Could they be? Sure. Will they be? Maybe. Is there a chance they are just as non-productive? Absolutely.

What I see is a few different players with a different coaching staff. But even that is getting overlooked. Their on their 7th OL coach in as many seasons. Their on their 4th OC in as many seasons. Their on their 6th WR coach in as many seasons. They haven't named a RB coach yet, but that guy will by their 5th one in 6 years. They've had a different QB coach in 6 consecutive seasons and a different TE coach the past 4. So sure, even I will suggest this coaching staff is more seasoned than last year's, but what I'm seeing is a lot of change for change's sake over the year. The staff they compiled all came from recent teams that were terrible and all these guys lost their jobs). It may seem like the Avengers are uniting, but like a lot of the players, they are retreads.

And for all the Patriots fans, I AM NOT saying they will be a dumpster fire again. But I am saying they could be. They also have a chance to turn things around if things play out right and be a wildcard team. But the range on their win total is likely the widest of any team in the NFL. I am expecting them to potentially double their win total, but that has more to do with a cupcake schedule than major talent upgrades.

You are doing your best Felger impression...obviously everything is on paper but I feel 99.9% confident it will be better than last year and the year before because those rosters were ugly...my guess is the D takes the bigger jump this year because they invested more on that side of the ball...there is a chance that side of the ball could take a pretty big leap...on offense there is still a good amount of long-term work to be done (and I expect it to be a point of focus this off-season) but with the addition of McDaniels, Maye having a year under his belt and the additions of Henderson, Diggs, Williams, Moses, Campbell, Bradbury and Wilson I expect them to at least be competent which they weren't the past two years...I do agree their range of wins is wide and one of the reasons I am not focusing on that right now...I am more concerned with Vrabel changing the culture, Maye continuing on a positive path, the rookie class being legit, Milton Williams being the real deal and a player like Keion White becoming legit...if most of that happens they will win some games this year but I am more concerned that it happens and next offseason they are poised to become a legit playoff team regardless of the schedule.

 

[warpig33]

Rhamondre Stevenson = pretty good

Rhamondre + Henderson = Good/Great (If Henderson even remotely lives up to his hype) Upgrade

Bourne + Boutte + Baker + Douglas + Polk + Osborn =

Bourne + Diggs + Douglas + Williams + Hollis + Baker/Polk = Upgrade

I'd say it is safe to say the Pats offense will be better this year, barring a Maye meltdown.

 

[markrc99]

They added Henderson . . . but does adding what likely will be a RB to a RBBC situation move the needle much?

Absolutely agree there's no way of knowing. But like every team, there's expectation whenever there's promise at QB. Henderson I like, Stevenson was benched last year for repeatedly putting the ball on the ground. Has a big contract, one I've read they could work out of. New regime, I think they ask him to take a pay cut. There's rumor, w/o much substance that McLauren could end up here. TE Henry I think could be excellent value late.

 

[Anarchy99]

They added Henderson . . . but does adding what likely will be a RB to a RBBC situation move the needle much?

Absolutely agree there's no way of knowing. But like every team, there's expectation whenever there's promise at QB. Henderson I like, Stevenson was benched last year for repeatedly putting the ball on the ground. Has a big contract, one I've read they could work out of. New regime, I think they ask him to take a pay cut. There's rumor, w/o much substance that McLauren could end up here. TE Henry I think could be excellent value late.

I haven’t done a deep dive on NE projections yet, but everything needs to be evaluated in context. The offense will be better if only because it would be really difficult to get worse. Last year, if they had 10-20% additional points and total yards of offense, they still would have been a Bottom 10 offense. Most of the issues stemmed from their OL play being horrible. They didn’t have great pieces, had a lot of injuries, and didn’t have a lot of continuity from week to week.

They did what they always do. They added rookies and cast off free agents that are aging with injury concerns. That’s been the road map for years. I don’t want to be dismissive or stubborn, but that plan hasn’t worked great so far. I’ll give them a chance and will help for the best, but the offense will improve based on how well the line plays.

As far as Stevenson goes, he did have ball control issues, that’s true. But he had the most hits in the backfield of any RB in the league, and IIRC, his average point of contact was behind the LOS. Bottom line, that wasn’t in him. Put another way, if that happens with Henderson, he won’t do any better. Rhamondre was a McDaniels pick, so he should have a lot longer leash than if he was a choice of a different regime. If healthy and he gets blocking, there’s nothing bad about Stephenson. Sure, Henderson could have a lot to offer. But as a rookie, he may not have a ton of impact to the overall offense.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

I'm ok with your ranking trending up from the median now that the news cycle is over....we just have to each decide if we take any action when he gets his second foxboro strike...because the pink bag was "strike one".

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

I received a few lowball offers for him in the one league I have a share. He’s worth more to me as a BYE week filler than the future 4th would help.

I agree with FBG rankings. The “Benadryl incident” has people overcorrecting.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

I'm ok with your ranking trending up from the median now that the news cycle is over....we just have to each decide if we take any action when he gets his second foxboro strike...because the pink bag was "strike one".

For sure. Anytime you're getting a player with this much talent in the WR30+ range, there are risks one has to be able to tolerate.

I'm not certain there will be more "strikes". But I also would not be surprised if there are. For me, though, I'm saying "if/when", not just "when". It becomes at some point defining exactly what's a "strike". And lots of that of course has to do with how productive Diggs is on the field. Will be interesting.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It becomes at some point defining exactly what's a "strike"

Strike = whatever he gets caught doing in public, on camera, without plausible deniability, etc.

One man’s opinion.

 

[ffmail4me]

I just hope he does enough to draw the top CBs to him and lets Kyle Williams feast.

 

[markrc99]

I haven’t done a deep dive on NE projections yet, but everything needs to be evaluated in context. The offense will be better if only because it would be really difficult to get worse. ... Most of the issues stemmed from their OL play being horrible. They didn’t have great pieces, had a lot of injuries, and didn’t have a lot of continuity from week to week. They did what they always do. They added rookies and cast off free agents that are aging with injury concerns. ... I’ll give them a chance and will [hope] for the best, but the offense will improve based on how well the line plays.

As far as Stevenson goes, he did have ball control issues, that’s true. But he had the most hits in the backfield of any RB in the league, and IIRC, his average point of contact was behind the LOS. Bottom line, that wasn’t [on] him. Put another way, if that happens with Henderson, he won’t do any better. Rhamondre was a McDaniels pick, so he should have a lot longer leash than if he was a choice of a different regime. If healthy and he gets blocking, there’s nothing bad about Stephenson. Sure, Henderson could have a lot to offer. But as a rookie, he may not have a ton of impact to the overall offense.

I agree with a lot of your points & that video with Diggs on a yacht serves as a distraction, I suppose. It's just me but he doesn't appear to be under the influence of anything. So then it's whether he openly traffics illicit drugs? Hot Sauce says Diggs was "caught" but of course can't elaborate on what he actually did... so frequently the truth has more to do with what isn't reported, what isn't said, what isn't shown.

Diggs & the three women for that matter, are all aware of the presence of whoever was videoing them. It's broad daylight & in very close proximity. Or, are we to entertain that the cameraphone was concealed, this person is perhaps an enemy of Diggs or a complete stranger & it's all just happenstance? Yeah, the problem with any such premise is that this same person remains unknown. Or, do we know? How is it that he or she is now not in the spotlight? I couldn't even find which platform it initially went viral on. But again, that's just me, is it known who made public this video? Are the two one and the same?

Have these women been identified & asked what Diggs passed them? Was anyone in the video asked whether they knew the person behind the cameraphone? Just way too many holes in the "story". Every offseason we're inundated with baseless rumors & stories that prove to be non-stories. Unless there's more that's known, that's where I'm filing this one.

Regarding Stevenson, what you said does resinate with me, I've said pretty much the same thing about Najee Harris. Point taken, Stevenson's performance isn't entirely of his own doing. But much of it is, apart from ball security there's the fact that he wasn't in top condition. It's being reported as a positive, that he's come to camp in better shape. That is positive, but dropping flab that he shouldn't have been carrying in the 1st place isn't the same as adding meat to the bone! I've also read that Gibson looked the part when given the opportunity.

Not every draft pick & acquisition is going to work out but I love teams that add & New England did very well. Could be a complete mirage, as you suggest. McDaniels is back but he isn't the HC nor the GM, but may well have factored in determining that RB was indeed a priority. You may want to determine to what extent the favorable coach-speak is linked to that contract. Stevenson is primarily a banger & those guys tend to wear down. Big SEC 'back with a lot tread left when he came out. Not a ball-carrier I'm targeting.

 

[Boston]

It becomes at some point defining exactly what's a "strike"

Strike = whatever he gets caught doing in public, on camera, without plausible deniability, etc.

One man’s opinion.

Strike=something Vrabel believes is counter to the culture he is trying to build after this franchise was run into the ground.

IMO they really need Diggs to be productive for one year…Pats had holes throughout the roster and WR was one they were only able to do some patchwork with…I fully expect this position to be one of their main priorities next off-season…if they get lucky and both Williams and Chism hit it could be a little less of a priority but even in a best-case scenario I don ‘t see them not pursuing a legit #1.

 

[TheWinz]

Diggs NOT being placed on the PUP list is good news

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Diggs NOT being placed on the PUP list is good news

 

[wgoldsph]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

I received a few lowball offers for him in the one league I have a share. He’s worth more to me as a BYE week filler than the future 4th would help.

I agree with FBG rankings. The “Benadryl incident” has people overcorrecting.

I bought last year after his injury at a 2027 3rd. I couldn't even get that back when I needed to make some cuts.

Luckily, considering this information, he's still on my roster. If he preforms even remotely well week 1-4 I'm selling as high as I can. I can very easily see him checking out at the end of the season if NE is bad this year, right in time for the fantasy playoffs.

 

[Boston]

Step 1…there were quality media members like Tom Curran who were very impressed with how he was moving in the past camp…good to see some concrete info to reinforce what they saw.

 

[Biabreakable]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

I received a few lowball offers for him in the one league I have a share. He’s worth more to me as a BYE week filler than the future 4th would help.

I agree with FBG rankings. The “Benadryl incident” has people overcorrecting.

I bought last year after his injury at a 2027 3rd. I couldn't even get that back when I needed to make some cuts.

Luckily, considering this information, he's still on my roster. If he preforms even remotely well week 1-4 I'm selling as high as I can. I can very easily see him checking out at the end of the season if NE is bad this year, right in time for the fantasy playoffs.

I can't. Diggs is a former 5th round pick. His work ethic is great. He has a enormous chip on shoulder. He always wants the ball.

For you to suggest that Diggs will not give maximum effort because of the team around him goes against everything he has done so far in his career.

And thats true for most NFL players, especially the ones who have had success at this level where everyone is extremely talented. It's work ethic that separates them.

Diggs is there to show all Patriots what that looks like to be a pro and to help develop Maye by proving a consistently open target Maye can rely on.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I can't. Diggs is a former 5th round pick. His work ethic is great. He has an enormous chip on shoulder. He always wants the ball.

Yeah, I mean he did just seemingly beat the timeline of recovery for an ACL, and did so at 31 years old.

That doesn’t seem like a dude who’ll check out if the season isn’t going perfectly. He signed with the Pats. It’s not like he thinks they’re winning the SB.

 

[Anarchy99]

Step 1…there were quality media members like Tom Curran who were very impressed with how he was moving in the past camp…good to see some concrete info to reinforce what they saw.

I get it some people can see a $1 bill as a whole dollar, while others potentially see a handful of change that adds up to a dollar. Either way it's still a dollar.

What we didn't see is Diggs passing a physical. Or running in a full uniform. Or participate in practice. Or cut. Or separate. Or get leveraged out of a play. Or see if he is on the same page as Maye. Or if he knows even one play of the playbook. Or how he responds after getting lit up after a catch. Or if he has any sea legs after running 10 routes. Or if he has to ice his knee for 4 hours after practice. Or if he can even practice 2 days in a row.

True, seeing him run on the sideline is better than him not running at all or not being there at all. But some media bobos seeing him run in a straight line and being told he looks good and should be available Week 1 doesn't answer any of the things i just brought up. Curran and Breer aren't doctors, they aren't football people, and they report on what they are told.

I'm sure they believe Diggs is trending in the right direction. I'm not suggesting that he isn't. But at this point we have absolutely no idea where Diggs is at. He could be 40% or 100%. We just don't know. I'm not even going to guess. All I'm saying is we need a lot more information that we don't have yet. Hopefully we will have more info soon.

 

[Boston]

Step 1…there were quality media members like Tom Curran who were very impressed with how he was moving in the past camp…good to see some concrete info to reinforce what they saw.

I get it some people can see a $1 bill as a whole dollar, while others potentially see a handful of change that adds up to a dollar. Either way it's still a dollar.

What we didn't see is Diggs passing a physical. Or running in a full uniform. Or participate in practice. Or cut. Or separate. Or get leveraged out of a play. Or see if he is on the same page as Maye. Or if he knows even one play of the playbook. Or how he responds after getting lit up after a catch. Or if he has any sea legs after running 10 routes. Or if he has to ice his knee for 4 hours after practice. Or if he can even practice 2 days in a row.

True, seeing him run on the sideline is better than him not running at all or not being there at all. But some media bobos seeing him run in a straight line and being told he looks good and should be available Week 1 doesn't answer any of the things i just brought up. Curran and Breer aren't doctors, they aren't football people, and they report on what they are told.

I'm sure they believe Diggs is trending in the right direction. I'm not suggesting that he isn't. But at this point we have absolutely no idea where Diggs is at. He could be 40% or 100%. We just don't know. I'm not even going to guess. All I'm saying is we need a lot more information that we don't have yet. Hopefully we will have more info soon.

As I stated we can only go by what we know...that is it was being reported he was ahead of schedule...those who saw him at camp thought he looked very good...and as of now he has avoided PUP...no one is saying he is out-of-the-woods (and the safe way to look at this is him not being ready till week 4 or 5) but there is also no reason to go Felger/Mazz and hope the glass is 1/2 empty either.

 

[Deamon]

might just be a gut feel, but I want no part of this guy this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But at this point we have absolutely no idea where Diggs is at. He could be 40% or 100%. We just don't know. I'm not even going to guess. All I'm saying is we need a lot more information that we don't have yet. Hopefully we will have more info soon.

Seems like a pretty good clue that they didn’t put him on the PUP.

And prior to the pink stubstance/baggie incident, all the reporting said he was ahead of schedule.

As with other shareholders, I’m a wait and see rather than sell low. That said, I’m not going out seeing to acquire him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As I stated we can only go by what we know...that is it was being reported he was ahead of schedule...those who saw him at camp thought he looked very good...and as of now he has avoided PUP...no one is saying he is out-of-the-woods (and the safe way to look at this is him not being ready till week 4 or 5) but there is also no reason to go Felger/Mazz and hope the glass is 1/2 empty either.

Exactly this.

 

[wgoldsph]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

I received a few lowball offers for him in the one league I have a share. He’s worth more to me as a BYE week filler than the future 4th would help.

I agree with FBG rankings. The “Benadryl incident” has people overcorrecting.

I bought last year after his injury at a 2027 3rd. I couldn't even get that back when I needed to make some cuts.

Luckily, considering this information, he's still on my roster. If he preforms even remotely well week 1-4 I'm selling as high as I can. I can very easily see him checking out at the end of the season if NE is bad this year, right in time for the fantasy playoffs.

I can't. Diggs is a former 5th round pick. His work ethic is great. He has a enormous chip on shoulder. He always wants the ball.

For you to suggest that Diggs will not give maximum effort because of the team around him goes against everything he has done so far in his career.

And thats true for most NFL players, especially the ones who have had success at this level where everyone is extremely talented. It's work ethic that separates them.

Diggs is there to show all Patriots what that looks like to be a pro and to help develop Maye by proving a consistently open target Maye can rely on.

Funny, the whole reason he left Buff was because he wasn't getting the ball enough on a Superbowl caliber team. Maybe he's matured since then, who knows. I'm just not sure he's going to get quality targets, and if he can't handle that from Allen, then there's no way he can handle that from Maye.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Funny, the whole reason he left Buff was because he wasn't getting the ball enough on a Superbowl caliber team.

Do we know that for a fact? I thought it was a cap move for the Bills. He’d also expressed some frustration over late season losses. But he balled out in HOU before the injury.

I dunno - I think sometimes narratives are overblown.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Training camp and let's see—no sense in letting him go, trade or otherwise. He is more talented than anyone the Pats have at the position.

 

[Biabreakable]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

I received a few lowball offers for him in the one league I have a share. He’s worth more to me as a BYE week filler than the future 4th would help.

I agree with FBG rankings. The “Benadryl incident” has people overcorrecting.

I bought last year after his injury at a 2027 3rd. I couldn't even get that back when I needed to make some cuts.

Luckily, considering this information, he's still on my roster. If he preforms even remotely well week 1-4 I'm selling as high as I can. I can very easily see him checking out at the end of the season if NE is bad this year, right in time for the fantasy playoffs.

I can't. Diggs is a former 5th round pick. His work ethic is great. He has a enormous chip on shoulder. He always wants the ball.

For you to suggest that Diggs will not give maximum effort because of the team around him goes against everything he has done so far in his career.

And thats true for most NFL players, especially the ones who have had success at this level where everyone is extremely talented. It's work ethic that separates them.

Diggs is there to show all Patriots what that looks like to be a pro and to help develop Maye by proving a consistently open target Maye can rely on.

Funny, the whole reason he left Buff was because he wasn't getting the ball enough on a Superbowl caliber team. Maybe he's matured since then, who knows. I'm just not sure he's going to get quality targets, and if he can't handle that from Allen, then there's no way he can handle that from Maye.

I haven't followed Diggs as closely since he left MN but that's mainly the reason he forced the Vikings to trade him to Buffalo. He wanted the ball more. He wanted to be in a offense that would throw the ball enough that he could shine.

That's what all WR want.


And Diggs certainly did shine with them posting 4 consecutive season with over 100 receptions.

How is that possible that he wanted the ball more?

I don't see a WR wanting the ball as being immature. Why do you?

NE brought Diggs in to give him targets and to help Maye reach a higher level. It's very similar to what Buffalo did to help Josh Allen. Only difference is Diggs is an older player now than he was then.

Can't handle what from Josh Allen?

 

[Big Nate]

I can't. Diggs is a former 5th round pick. His work ethic is great. He has an enormous chip on shoulder. He always wants the ball.

Yeah, I mean he did just seemingly beat the timeline of recovery for an ACL, and did so at 31 years old.

That doesn’t seem like a dude who’ll check out if the season isn’t going perfectly. He signed with the Pats. It’s not like he thinks they’re winning the SB.

As a Diggs owner it is great he wasn't put on the PUP. That still doesn't make him 100% going into the season.

He's still recovering from an ACL and most times these players take time. There is so much pressure to hit week 1 that they can overdue it and it ends up with some other injury like a hammy or even seen achillies on the other foot from over compensating.

I'd rather him ease into the season and not be rushed than blow a hammy week 2 and then end up on the PUP.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I can't. Diggs is a former 5th round pick. His work ethic is great. He has an enormous chip on shoulder. He always wants the ball.

Yeah, I mean he did just seemingly beat the timeline of recovery for an ACL, and did so at 31 years old.

That doesn’t seem like a dude who’ll check out if the season isn’t going perfectly. He signed with the Pats. It’s not like he thinks they’re winning the SB.

As a Diggs owner it is great he wasn't put on the PUP. That still doesn't make him 100% going into the season.

He's still recovering from an ACL and most times these players take time. There is so much pressure to hit week 1 that they can overdue it and it ends up with some other injury like a hammy or even seen achillies on the other foot from over compensating.

I'd rather him ease into the season and not be rushed than blow a hammy week 2 and then end up on the PUP.

We have no idea what their plan is at this point. They may very well hold him out for 1-3 games.

We know it likely won’t be 4, or they woulda just put him on the PUP.

 

[wgoldsph]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

I received a few lowball offers for him in the one league I have a share. He’s worth more to me as a BYE week filler than the future 4th would help.

I agree with FBG rankings. The “Benadryl incident” has people overcorrecting.

I bought last year after his injury at a 2027 3rd. I couldn't even get that back when I needed to make some cuts.

Luckily, considering this information, he's still on my roster. If he preforms even remotely well week 1-4 I'm selling as high as I can. I can very easily see him checking out at the end of the season if NE is bad this year, right in time for the fantasy playoffs.

I can't. Diggs is a former 5th round pick. His work ethic is great. He has a enormous chip on shoulder. He always wants the ball.

For you to suggest that Diggs will not give maximum effort because of the team around him goes against everything he has done so far in his career.

And thats true for most NFL players, especially the ones who have had success at this level where everyone is extremely talented. It's work ethic that separates them.

Diggs is there to show all Patriots what that looks like to be a pro and to help develop Maye by proving a consistently open target Maye can rely on.

Funny, the whole reason he left Buff was because he wasn't getting the ball enough on a Superbowl caliber team. Maybe he's matured since then, who knows. I'm just not sure he's going to get quality targets, and if he can't handle that from Allen, then there's no way he can handle that from Maye.

I haven't followed Diggs as closely since he left MN but that's mainly the reason he forced the Vikings to trade him to Buffalo. He wanted the ball more. He wanted to be in a offense that would throw the ball enough that he could shine.

That's what all WR want.


And Diggs certainly did shine with them posting 4 consecutive season with over 100 receptions.

How is that possible that he wanted the ball more?

I don't see a WR wanting the ball as being immature. Why do you?

NE brought Diggs in to give him targets and to help Maye reach a higher level. It's very similar to what Buffalo did to help Josh Allen. Only difference is Diggs is an older player now than he was then.

Can't handle what from Josh Allen?

I got the timeline messed up totally here. Completely forgot he got himself out of Minn and not Buf. Totally different scenarios.

I revoke all my objections.

 

[Biabreakable]

Albert Breer reports Diggs is trending toward being ready Week 1

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl...ending-towards-being-ready-for-week-1/720361/

It feels to me like the Pink Coke thing had people bailing too much on him. We currently have Diggs as our WR32 on Footballguys rankings. I see him more in the 40's in other places.

I received a few lowball offers for him in the one league I have a share. He’s worth more to me as a BYE week filler than the future 4th would help.

I agree with FBG rankings. The “Benadryl incident” has people overcorrecting.

I bought last year after his injury at a 2027 3rd. I couldn't even get that back when I needed to make some cuts.

Luckily, considering this information, he's still on my roster. If he preforms even remotely well week 1-4 I'm selling as high as I can. I can very easily see him checking out at the end of the season if NE is bad this year, right in time for the fantasy playoffs.

I can't. Diggs is a former 5th round pick. His work ethic is great. He has a enormous chip on shoulder. He always wants the ball.

For you to suggest that Diggs will not give maximum effort because of the team around him goes against everything he has done so far in his career.

And thats true for most NFL players, especially the ones who have had success at this level where everyone is extremely talented. It's work ethic that separates them.

Diggs is there to show all Patriots what that looks like to be a pro and to help develop Maye by proving a consistently open target Maye can rely on.

Funny, the whole reason he left Buff was because he wasn't getting the ball enough on a Superbowl caliber team. Maybe he's matured since then, who knows. I'm just not sure he's going to get quality targets, and if he can't handle that from Allen, then there's no way he can handle that from Maye.

I haven't followed Diggs as closely since he left MN but that's mainly the reason he forced the Vikings to trade him to Buffalo. He wanted the ball more. He wanted to be in a offense that would throw the ball enough that he could shine.

That's what all WR want.


And Diggs certainly did shine with them posting 4 consecutive season with over 100 receptions.

How is that possible that he wanted the ball more?

I don't see a WR wanting the ball as being immature. Why do you?

NE brought Diggs in to give him targets and to help Maye reach a higher level. It's very similar to what Buffalo did to help Josh Allen. Only difference is Diggs is an older player now than he was then.

Can't handle what from Josh Allen?

I got the timeline messed up totally here. Completely forgot he got himself out of Minn and not Buf. Totally different scenarios.

I revoke all my objections.

I don't know the details of why Buffalo let Diggs go beyond Diggs being older, a big salary owed no doubt and didn't Houston give draft pick(s) for Diggs too?

Bills trade star WR Diggs to Texans for draft pick

The Bills traded four-time Pro Bowl wide receiver Stefon Diggs to the Texans for draft pick compensation.

www.espn.com

Yeah basically they gave a 3rd round value for Diggs considering value of 5th and 6th round picks back to Buffalo.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Step 1…there were quality media members like Tom Curran who were very impressed with how he was moving in the past camp…good to see some concrete info to reinforce what they saw.

I get it some people can see a $1 bill as a whole dollar, while others potentially see a handful of change that adds up to a dollar. Either way it's still a dollar.

What we didn't see is Diggs passing a physical. Or running in a full uniform. Or participate in practice. Or cut. Or separate. Or get leveraged out of a play. Or see if he is on the same page as Maye. Or if he knows even one play of the playbook. Or how he responds after getting lit up after a catch. Or if he has any sea legs after running 10 routes. Or if he has to ice his knee for 4 hours after practice. Or if he can even practice 2 days in a row.

True, seeing him run on the sideline is better than him not running at all or not being there at all. But some media bobos seeing him run in a straight line and being told he looks good and should be available Week 1 doesn't answer any of the things i just brought up. Curran and Breer aren't doctors, they aren't football people, and they report on what they are told.

I'm sure they believe Diggs is trending in the right direction. I'm not suggesting that he isn't. But at this point we have absolutely no idea where Diggs is at. He could be 40% or 100%. We just don't know. I'm not even going to guess. All I'm saying is we need a lot more information that we don't have yet. Hopefully we will have more info soon.

On a scale of reliability, with 0 being totally unreliable and 10 being completely reliable, where would you rank Tom Curran and Albert Breer?

 

[Anarchy99]

On a scale of reliability, with 0 being totally unreliable and 10 being completely reliable, where would you rank Tom Curran and Albert Breer?

They are reliable but that doesn't make them infallible. They've each been wrong on their opinions and reporting before. Both have been fed intel that met the team's narrative . . . just like there were times when they were handled info from BB's camp that spun things in a different narrative. That's how this stuff goes. I don't ignore or discount them, but I trust my opinions and reads on NE more than the guys covering the team. I certainly have been wrong too. This isn't a contest . . . it's trying to drill down to what's going on and what it means going forward.

I'm not really sure where you are going with this. Diggs right now is in a really weird place. True, he isn't currently on the camp PUP list. But as of now, it doesn't appear he has passed a physical, he hasn't been activated, he hasn't received his bonus money, and on Wednesday he can't suit up without those happening first. That's weird and should raise some eyebrows. And Curran and Breer should be asking about it . . . and they're not.

In this case, lots of opinions can be right. Diggs appears to not be sitting, but he still can't play. Those two don't go together. We should get more info on this in a day, so sit tight and we can break it down once we know more. To reiterate, I already said I DON'T KNOW what's going on and have no opinion until we do. Things could mean a lot, or they may mean nothing. We will know more by Wednesday.

 

[Joe Bryant]

On a scale of reliability, with 0 being totally unreliable and 10 being completely reliable, where would you rank Tom Curran and Albert Breer?

They are reliable but that doesn't make them infallible. They've each been wrong on their opinions and reporting before. Both have been fed intel that met the team's narrative . . . just like there were times when they were handled info from BB's camp that spun things in a different narrative. That's how this stuff goes. I don't ignore or discount them, but I trust my opinions and reads on NE more than the guys covering the team. I certainly have been wrong too. This isn't a contest . . . it's trying to drill down to what's going on and what it means going forward.

I'm not really sure where you are going with this. Diggs right now is in a really weird place. True, he isn't currently on the camp PUP list. But as of now, it doesn't appear he has passed a physical, he hasn't been activated, he hasn't received his bonus money, and on Wednesday he can't suit up without those happening first. That's weird and should raise some eyebrows. And Curran and Breer should be asking about it . . . and they're not.

In this case, lots of opinions can be right. Diggs appears to not be sitting, but he still can't play. Those two don't go together. We should get more info on this in a day, so sit tight and we can break it down once we know more. To reiterate, I already said I DON'T KNOW what's going on and have no opinion until we do. Things could mean a lot, or they may mean nothing. We will know more by Wednesday.

Thanks. For sure they're not infallible. I don't think anyone thinks that.

Where would your rate them on the reliability scale?

I'd put Breer around an 8. Curran would be about a 7 for me, but I don't follow him as closely.

Where would you rate them?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Breer 7. Curran 5. (i.e. coin toss )

 

[Anarchy99]

Thanks. For sure they're not infallible. I don't think anyone thinks that.

Where would your rate them on the reliability scale?

I'd put Breer around an 8. Curran would be about a 7 for me, but I don't follow him as closely.

Where would you rate them?

I'm not really the right person to be asking about some of this. I've had some direct interaction with many of the NE beat guys, so it's hard for me to rate them. I used to interact with Mike Reiss almost every day for years.

I would say I consider all the information reported on by everyone but don't have blind faith in any of them. Reiss is the gold standard, but he vets things so much that sometimes by the time he puts info out there, it's already been out there for a couple of days. He knows way more than what gets posted, but he won't put it out there unless it's essentially double and triple sourced.

As for the guys you mentioned, I like Breer's delivery better than Curran's, but I find Curran to be a little more accurate . . sort of. Breer has a broader base of things he will discuss and speculate on, so overall i'd say they are overall pretty similar. No matter what info I come across, I would continue to explore the landscape on my own to get a better sense of what's going on.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thanks. For sure they're not infallible. I don't think anyone thinks that.

Where would your rate them on the reliability scale?

I'd put Breer around an 8. Curran would be about a 7 for me, but I don't follow him as closely.

Where would you rate them?

I'm not really the right person to be asking about some of this. I've had some direct interaction with many of the NE beat guys, so it's hard for me to rate them. I used to interact with Mike Reiss almost every day for years.

I would say I consider all the information reported on by everyone but don't have blind faith in any of them. Reiss is the gold standard, but he vets things so much that sometimes by the time he puts info out there, it's already been out there for a couple of days. He knows way more than what gets posted, but he won't put it out there unless it's essentially double and triple sourced.

As for the guys you mentioned, I like Breer's delivery better than Curran's, but I find Curran to be a little more accurate . . sort of. Breer has a broader base of things he will discuss and speculate on, so overall i'd say they are overall pretty similar. No matter what info I come across, I would continue to explore the landscape on my own to get a better sense of what's going on.

Anyone can have an opinion on how we rate them if they're familiar with their work.

 

[Boston]

Both Curran and Breer are professionals...I trust both of them...Curran has become a little more of a "personality" as he has a TV show and had one for a while...Breer is a little more "national" as he has spread his wings outside of New England...neither one of these guys is throwing BS against the wall and both are well-respected.

 

[Boston]

What are realistic expectations for Diggs with Patriots coming off ACL tear?

Stefon Diggs tore his ACL in Week 8 last season, but that might not prevent him from being a difference maker in Year 1 with the Patriots.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[Anarchy99]

Diggs was cleared. So now we can move on to monitoring how he looks once he returns to the field.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Stefon Diggs (knee) was cleared to fully participate in Patriots training camp.
The team will closely monitor Diggs’ camp reps, according to The Athletic’s Dianna Russini, about nine months after he tore his ACL in his only season with the Texans. Diggs was top ten in both receptions and receiving yards before the season-ending knee injury, and now heads into his age-32 season as the Patriots’ clear No. 1 wideout after signing a three-year deal with New England this spring. It was believed as recently as May that Diggs might miss the first few games of the regular season as he rehabs from the ACL tear. It would appear Diggs will be ready to go for the start of the season barring any setbacks in the coming weeks.

 

[Boston]

Vrabel details Patriots' plans for Stefon Diggs at training camp

How involved will Stefon Diggs be at Patriots training camp? Mike Vrabel offered insight into how the team will manage the wide receiver's workload.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Vrabel details Patriots' plans for Stefon Diggs at training camp

How involved will Stefon Diggs be at Patriots training camp? Mike Vrabel offered insight into how the team will manage the wide receiver's workload.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

"I don't see any limitations right now," Vrabel said, adding that Diggs' swift recovery is "a testament to how hard he worked."

No limitations would be awesome. A healthy Diggs gives me a 6th viable starting WR in the 1 league I roster him.

He’s gonna be a BB target for me for sure.

Not sure how I’ll treat him in redraft - need to see ADP.

 

[FarFromHome]

Old episode of Family Feud with NFL players. Diggs answer:

"Finish this phrase. Leave it..."

Diggs, "In."

Ha ha