Anarchy99
Footballguy
I really hope NE doesn't pick McMillan. Still getting Harry vibes. Harry's 40 time was 4.53. McMillian's 40 time was 4.53 (or worse depending upon who you ask).
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WR Tetairoa McMillan, CAR (1 Viewer)
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
It was more about how MHJ did absolutely nothing during pre-draft season. No combine. No pro day. no 40. His draft stock stayed at 4 the whole time."and now I'd like to Pass the Mic to my brother DirtyWord and say anything you like"
-I want to hear more because I felt like he was a flop especially Redraft where he went pretty high, like one of the first 10-12 WRs off the board
People questioned Tet's speed/agility. He ran drills and the 40...now people are questioning his pro fit.
I honestly don't see them as similar players at all. Harry was always vastly overrated to me. He was a 2/3 turn guy that somehow went in round 1. He won more off of screens and RAC, with a little contested stuff thrown in, but he wasn't winning vertically much. McMillan feasts vertically, while also having the RAC, and even better contested work.
I had Harry as WR8 in his class, assuming Travis Hunter is a CB, I'll have McMillan WR1 in this one. I think he's a better prospect than Rome Odunze was last year. I think McMillan is basically a more explosive version of what Drake London is, with a Brandon Marshall level ceiling.
Now that doesn't mean NE should take him at #4, they need a LT badly, and OL is probably a bigger help than WR when it comes to Maye's development, but I wouldn't hate the pick. I think McMillan is being underrated a bit, and frankly this WR class as a whole probably is a little. I think its a pretty good class, that just happens to be following an elite class.
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Faust
MVP
Part 1, WR: Tetairoa McMillan, and then... what? (Paywall article)
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Harjiran
Footballguy
I swear sometimes it's like we fans have PTSD - pre-draft, Jayden Daniels was giving me RG3 vibes so I was praying for Drake Maye at #2. My vibes and gut feelings are wrong so often that I should probably ignore them.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I didn't say that the two are twinsies, only that they share some similar numbers and traits. Someone tweeted a RAS profile for McMillian, which may or not be accurate (I don't think he participated in everything at the combine, so maybe someone compiled the numbers or projected them.).
SCORES (Harry/McMillan)
Height: 8.66 / 9.52
Weight: 9.76 / 9.35
Bench: 9.97 / 9.61
Explosion Grade: Great / Okay
Vertical 9.07 / 4.96
Broad: 7.01 / 5.73
Speed Grade: Okay / Okay
40 Time: 6.44 / 6.04
20 Split: 4.31 / 5.38
10 Split: 3.81 / 5.1
Hand: 9.5 / 10
Arm: 33 / 31.5
Shuttle: 5.09 / ---
3-Cone: 4.75 / ---
Speed Score: 108.29 / ---
40 Dash MPH: 22.0 / ---
Flying 20: 1.86 / ---
Expected 40: 4.7 / ---
Agility Grade: Okay / ---
Overall: 8.45 / 8.51u (not sure what the U is for . . . maybe unofficial?)
Harry was the 6th rated WR in his class and 39th overall in his class. If we count Hunter as a WR, McMillian would come in at WR 4 and 21st overall this draft (both according to Zierlein). There's no question NE mucked it up by taking Harry too early (or at all). I'm just hoping they don't reach on McMillan as well. (I don't think he is work the 4th overall pick). As far as the Pats go, I'd be fine if they draft Hunter and let him be a full-time WR and part-time situational CB.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here's part of the problem with comps and drafting WR in general.
London went 8th overall and has had one good season and 2 decent seasons out of 3.
Williams went 7th overall and has had 2 good seasons out of 8 total.
Jeffery went 45th overall and had 2 good seasons and 4 decent seasons out of 9 total.
Golladay went 96th overall and had 2 good seasons out of 6 total.
Many drafts I have seen have McMillan going in the Top 5-10 picks, if not then, usually in the Top 15. To be worth a Top 10 pick, a team needs someone that is going to have a big impact. Comps to guys that were 2nd or 3rd round picks (or a first-round pick that has been mostly underwhelming) only accentuates that receivers are very hit or miss (and can be had in later rounds).
Last year, there were 21 WR that cracked 1,000 receiving yards. Eight of them were not first round picks (McConkey 34, Sutton 40, Brown 51, Adams 53, McLaurin 76, Collins 89, St. Brown 112, and Meyers UDFA). There were also 5 other guys that just missed (Metcalf 64, Hill 165, Mooney 173, Nacua 177, and Jennings 217). Of the Top 27 WR in receiving yards last year, 13 were not first round picks. That's almost half.
Maybe McMillan will be closer to the Chase / Jefferson / Lamb types than the Williams / Jeffery / Golladay types. But it seems to me he is getting pretty hyped up, and I am not sure he will end up earning back his draft spot. But that's why they play the games.
rockaction
Footballguy
McMillan got his write-up in Matt Harmon's Reception Perception. The take-away?
"As for his ability to get open, McMillan can certainly separate. Is he the dynamic separator type that we’ve seen crush it over and over the last few classes? No. Does he get open the same degree as a Tier 1 prospect in Drake London who was also brutally mischaracterized by some? Nope, he does not. But while that is true, I find TMac’s ability to separate and win on his routes as something close to “good enough” at the very least.
McMillan’s 70.4% success rate vs. man coverage as a primary outside receiver is in the right range to check that box. His 73.1% success rate vs. press is downright awesome. I love the way he sinks his hips to glide past press defenders at the line. I could stand to see him be a bit more combative with his hands but his footwork is strong and he can get on top of defensive backs off the line in a hurry . . .
TMac certainly lacks long-speed on the field and I think it’s tough to get away from that. His 48.7% success rate on the nine-route is poor. He can get stuck in the orbit of a defensive back and he just doesn’t have that extra gear to pull away unless he gets a devastating win off the line . . .
McMillan does belong to that family of perimeter receivers who should move around a bit and are better separators than credited. Guys like London and Michael Thomas are the high-end of the archetype, while Michael Pittman and Courtland Sutton are the mid-range. McMillan fits in the latter bucket, in my view, and that is well worth a Round 1 pick with the hope he is an instant No. 2 receiver in the league with the ceiling to grow into more of a WR1 gig in time."
- Matt Harmon, Reception Perception
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Not a bad review. Sounds like what the scouts are saying. Not a great review, but certainly not bad.
"As for his ability to get open, McMillan can certainly separate. Is he the dynamic separator type that we’ve seen crush it over and over the last few classes? No. Does he get open the same degree as a Tier 1 prospect in Drake London who was also brutally mischaracterized by some? Nope, he does not. But while that is true, I find TMac’s ability to separate and win on his routes as something close to “good enough” at the very least.
McMillan’s 70.4% success rate vs. man coverage as a primary outside receiver is in the right range to check that box. His 73.1% success rate vs. press is downright awesome. I love the way he sinks his hips to glide past press defenders at the line. I could stand to see him be a bit more combative with his hands but his footwork is strong and he can get on top of defensive backs off the line in a hurry . . .
TMac certainly lacks long-speed on the field and I think it’s tough to get away from that. His 48.7% success rate on the nine-route is poor. He can get stuck in the orbit of a defensive back and he just doesn’t have that extra gear to pull away unless he gets a devastating win off the line . . .
McMillan does belong to that family of perimeter receivers who should move around a bit and are better separators than credited. Guys like London and Michael Thomas are the high-end of the archetype, while Michael Pittman and Courtland Sutton are the mid-range. McMillan fits in the latter bucket, in my view, and that is well worth a Round 1 pick with the hope he is an instant No. 2 receiver in the league with the ceiling to grow into more of a WR1 gig in time."
- Matt Harmon, Reception Perception
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Not a bad review. Sounds like what the scouts are saying. Not a great review, but certainly not bad.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
how does Tet do with separation and route running? That is what seemed to be the problem with Harry
Faust
MVP
Faust
MVP
If Jeffery hadn't wrecked his knees, I think we'd be talking about him as a borderline HOFer. Very few WRs had his ability to win in at every level with size and speed. Unfortunately (for us Bears fans) it didn't work out that way, but a comp to him as a talent is a very good thing. The 2017 Eagles absolutely don't win the Super Bowl without him. Of the guys in that comp group, Jeffery was the best talent.
I'd call that a nothing burger. I bet that a lot of players probably feel that way. I'd maybe raise an eyebrow if he were a QB, but for a WR, this means little in my opinion.
I wouldn’t call it a nothingburger, but I wouldn’t let it sway me too, too much.
Similar to how I view a players fantasy playoff schedule in a redraft draft. I may use it as a tiebreaker if I’m torn on two guys, but otherwise I don’t pay it too much attention.
rockaction
Footballguy
Major red flag if he said he doesn’t like the sport. Look no further than Anthony Rendon of the Anaheim/LA Angels in baseball. Said he didn’t care very much about the sport. He’s been paid. Check the injuries and effort.
If a guy is dumb and unfiltered enough to say it to a reporter, you know it’s bad. Massive red flag to me.
The film stuff is a slight red flag. Still, knowing how the league is and still saying it? You have to wonder about dedication and attitude.
I’m no stickler and I’m a realist, but hearing guys say they hate the sport? No way I’m taking you in the first round of a dynasty draft. Hate hearing this and want nothing to do with the player until he proves himself and proves he’ll suit up and try come heck or high water.
eta* Massive eta. Massive. I saw the video clip. There's just a guy with a camera bothering him while he's eating. Like, bro, you think you're going to get a "happy to see you!" while the man is eating? You're bothering him. Go away. Here, check this out. Do you think he's not irritated?
eta2* I think this should be taken with a massive grain of salt. This looks like (I'm not positive but it looks like) some dude who he doesn't know just comes up and situates himself down next to him while he's eating. This doesn't look like a proper interview at all. Hard pass and I retract what I just said.
Man, I'm having trouble getting a bead on this guy. Watch him blow up the league or something. Hwarf. But cannot dock him for this unless he consented to the interview beforehand and it was with a legitimate outlet and not a podunk one (and certainly not just some guy randomly coming up to him with a cell phone thinking he's a citizen sports journalist or something).
eta3* If it's a student journalist and Tet is in a team space where he's presumably available to talk to the student journalists, then I can ding him a bit for being a bit less than gracious and accommodating, but we all have our bad days. If that's the case, then it's not a good look and the answers deserve a little more scrutiny, but it's not a dealbreaker. I still don't think I have McMillan as high as most people do, but that's me. I take what Matt Harmon says seriously, and he puts him in the Courtland Sutton/Michael Pittman but not Drake London class of players, so there you go.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I still think that if you're doing a proper interview and give that kind of answer then it's a massive red flag, but this type of stuff? If he wasn't a reporter for a legitimate outlet and this was not agreed to beforehand, then the guy's lucky McMillan was so accommodating and we shouldn't dock McMillan. If McMillan had agreed to this and showed up eating and sort of put-off and insouciant, then it's a different story and you have to wonder a little bit.
But it's not like McMillan was giving a proper sit-down, post-game, or pre-game interview and said stuff like this. He's trying to eat somewhere and some dude looks like (from the video) he's bugging him in a public place.
But it's not like McMillan was giving a proper sit-down, post-game, or pre-game interview and said stuff like this. He's trying to eat somewhere and some dude looks like (from the video) he's bugging him in a public place.
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Thanks for responding and I'm kind of in the middle, which is why I asked.
I'm a little bothered by both comments but for me more so the not wanting to watch film. He's not that kind of uber athlete he's going to be any very good if he does not put in the work.
But the main reason it's not that big of a deal was he said this stuff two years ago and I'll give him some grace that he views things differently now.
But as rock said above he's hard for me to figure out. Not very fast, people saying the difference in him vs London is Tet does not have that dog in him and to me when he says he does not football it makes me think mabye that's why he's not go that dog in him? He's very unclean as a prospect.
I'm a little bothered by both comments but for me more so the not wanting to watch film. He's not that kind of uber athlete he's going to be any very good if he does not put in the work.
But the main reason it's not that big of a deal was he said this stuff two years ago and I'll give him some grace that he views things differently now.
But as rock said above he's hard for me to figure out. Not very fast, people saying the difference in him vs London is Tet does not have that dog in him and to me when he says he does not football it makes me think mabye that's why he's not go that dog in him? He's very unclean as a prospect.
rockaction
Footballguy
That about sums this guy up. Right here^
Personally, right now I'd go Jeanty, Hampton, Henderson, Judkins, Warren, then maybe him. So if you get people that think like me, you might get your chance. That said and even further, if NE drafts Travis Hunter I might pick Hunter at the 1.06 instead of McMillan were it to fall that way. Hunter is going to be a receiver on the Patriots if they draft him. I'm convinced of it. He'll be a corner on the Giants (unless they're really smart, which they're not) and a WR on the Patriots. I mean, if Matt Harmon has Tetairoa as akin to Courtland Sutton or Michael Pittman, is that really the 1.06 pick you want in a class where the RBs earned an A+ grade as a group from PFF the other day? I dunno. He still might be the 1.06. But if it came down to it (and it won't for me this year), I'd honestly pick Hunter if he went to the right team.
So yeah, if the draft fell like that, I'd be hopeful/worried about McMillan also. More worried than hopeful, I think. Lot of recent mocks have him going to the Cowboys where he would be second to CeeDee Lamb, undoubtedly. That would—what?—increase or decrease his stock? I don't even know. This dude is the toughest player eval/decision I've seen in a while.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Maybe he prefers playing/practicing over film work, hard to know what the context of the rest of the conversation was. There are parts of my job I do not like either, and I try not to bring work home. It doesn’t mean I am shortening my career over it however. But I agree, do not say it outloud…
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joey
Footballguy
Nicely put. Thanks for your thoughts.
Bottom line, in FFPC…thank goodness the rookie draft is AFTER the NFL Draft. Lots of moving pieces will fall into place a bit more with landing spots of him and the other top WRs and RBs.
joey
Footballguy
They seem to agree with you @rockaction
collegefootballnetwork.com
Can’t Miss or Can’t Catch? Top 2025 NFL Draft WR Rankings | College Sports Network
Travis Hunter is the unequivocal head of the 2025 NFL Draft WR Rankings, but who else can you trust in a class lacking the depth of recent groups?
collegefootballnetwork.com
rockaction
Footballguy
They seem to agree with you @rockaction
Can’t Miss or Can’t Catch? Top 2025 NFL Draft WR Rankings | College Sports Network
Travis Hunter is the unequivocal head of the 2025 NFL Draft WR Rankings, but who else can you trust in a class lacking the depth of recent groups?
Yeah, a bunch of places/outlets have moved Travis Hunter up to number one. But where will he play? That's the big question.
That'll be huge and I was talking to pinkstapler about drafting before the NFL draft as a way of rewarding people who really follow the players during the CFB year. I personally like to draft rookies after we know where they're going. This is Exhibit A for why you wait until after. I hope there's some clarity fairly soon after his selection. The club may well volunteer fairly quickly what they want him to do and he might agree. That's the best case scenario. Worst case is that they say "we'll see about that when the time is right." Argh. That'll stink and will make him undraftable for at least the first few waves/tiers of players in any rookie draft.
Thanks for the compliment.
massraider
Footballguy
To me, yes.
There's a bunch of good RB prospects, but I don't drop TMac below too many backs in this class.
I think people have concluded he's not a top 5 player in this class, he's not Mike Evans. OK. Could he be Metcalf, Pittman, Sutton, London? I think so.
Is that worth a mid 1st? Yeah. Because the strength of the RB class doesn't affect how I rate TMac. The RB class going 10 deep doesn't mean that Judkins is a better prospect than TMac. PFF ranks him the #3 overall player in the draft. I still wanna compare him to each player individually, I don't push him below a bunch of backs I think are players with the same number/more questions.
Right now, he's under the predraft microscope, and that's fine. But the backs one may take over him need to go under that same scrutiny. And right now, they aren't.
It looks to me like he might represent good value, if RB fever takes hold of fantasy owners, which it looks like it will.
rockaction
Footballguy
RB fever is insane. Raheem Mostert just went for $115 FAAB in a Zealots league of mine. Decent players in the league besides the two bidding him up there, but it’s a glimpse into how scarce the position is.
One thing. Is it great value if you’re missing out and not rolling the dice on a potential RB1 given their scarcity? I’m not so sure it is. The trade value for bellcow RBs is insane (check the ever non-athletic Bucky Irving’s value on KTC) these days, and you have to give up a Tet McMillan plus something to get an established back with a lockdown on a job, especially a three-down one.
PFF big board be damned, the value is in the potential points scored at RB and the trade value in dynasty, and RBs are rare, which jacks their price up. Now, if you want to say that one should build a team around WR for first-year held values (WRs don’t plummet in value like unused or jobless backs do) and longevity’s sake, then I won’t argue with you, but picking Tet before the four guys I mentioned is, in the leagues I play in, a bit of a mistake, IMO. I’m sure I’m wrong or something but the scarcity is real.
massraider
Footballguy
Not if someone feels all those guys are top 10 RB, and maybe definitely not if one plays Zealots, where RB are over drafted
rockaction
Footballguy
Fair enough. RBs are way overdrafted and QBs hoarded in Zealots for some reason. I feel like disabusing people of that habit, but it's none of my business even though it affects how I have to play. But having a Zealots league as one of my two main dynasty leagues is probably why I wrote what I wrote. RB scarcity, when it happens in leagues, is very real and affects the league's year-to-year trajectory and magnifies their role in the rookie draft because it's the only time you can really get an RB at a reasonable value (if you're savvy enough).
Not to get to far off subject of Tet but just going to comment on rookie RB fever. Don't play Zeaolots but typically RB crazy in my leagues.
This draft class is so so similar to the 2017 draft class to me. IMO people went the other way of rookie RB fever and drafted Cory Davis and Mike Williams way to high because of the abundance of RB's and scarcity of top WR's. Corey Davis ADP was 1.2 in my leagues, ahead of CMC.
The reality is if you took any of the top 6 rookie RB's you did better then if you took any the top 3 WR's(Ross as #3). I think this class has very good odds of being like that and I do wonder if some WR's will actually be pushed up this year like I felt they were in 2017.
Born to Run
Footballguy
It is good to hear that QBs are being hoarded in Zealots leagues other than the one I play in. An owner in my league has Mahomes/Burrow/Stroud/Nix/McCarthy?! Each one is coveted greater than any RB or WR.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah. I think Zealots is known for that for some reason. I've been refusing to play that game, but am going to have to cave and probably this year. I have Mahomes and then . . . well . . . crickets. Tyrod Taylor, I think right now. Usually I just grab a spot starter from the well because I refuse to pay the Zealots prices for a 1QB league when I already have Mahomes (though that changed this year and last year quite a bit, so I'm amenable to maybe paying up for one this year). I just hate sinking capital into backups. Seems rather counterproductive.
To have Mahomes/Burrow/Stroud/Nix/McCarthy is indicative, frankly, of maybe not using your draft capital that well. Everybody there but Nix should have been at least a second-round pick (third at worst), and that could be spent trying to get position players to "hit." It's a start eighteen, nearly-full IDP league, and you're telling me you have five quarterbacks like that? I'll tell you that something is amiss with your roster in that case. Having all that depth means that are three early seconds (at least) you can acquire through trade if not late first-rounders, and if you don't do something about it, that means your team doesn't have the guys who would go in that range scoring for you. Time to deal one or two, fella or lady. Reap the rewards and get that bench depth into your lineup.
Anyway, sorry about that. It's just not rational to do that. And the RB situation is a little bonkers, too.
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onionsack
Footballguy
Is that the New Orleans franchise in Classic08? That owner is something else. Keep in mind, that's a non-PPR league, where RB value is hugely inflated. He drafted Burrow high when he already had Mahomes back in the day. Then he took Zach Wilson at 1.06 in 2021. He added Stroud to his stable at 1.04 in 2023. Then McCarthy at 1.05 (before Caleb/Daniels/Maye, never mind Bowers/B. Thomas Jr. etc..) and Nix at 2.05 in 2024. He even blew $32 Zbucks to add Tyson Bagent to his massive QB corps the same year. He's at 1.02 this year. The only question is....Cam Ward or Shedeur?
rockaction
Footballguy
You don’t say.
Should we throw the guy/gal a gentle lifeline or what? Somebody’s gotta tell him or her.
rockaction
Footballguy
God, those are all first-round picks besides Nix? You almost wonder if that person doesn’t have differing cognitive baselines. That’s compulsive and obviously counterproductive to competing in that league. Perhaps it’s a test league for them like the FBG test forum was for FBG.
onionsack
Footballguy
You don’t say.
Should we throw the guy/gal a gentle lifeline or what? Somebody’s gotta tell him or her.
I think the last time I checked, his only viable RB was Kamara, who he'll soon lose to old age. The thing is, he could easily salvage his team simply by trading off a few of his many bench QBs. Trade two for a couple of first round picks, draft Omarion Hampton at 1.02 and two more RBs in this RB-rich class, and voila, you're competitive again. Would love to know what kind of offers he's been getting for Mahomes, Burrow, etc.., and why he hasn't taken them.
Anyway, didn't mean to derail this thread. Back to the topic, T-Mac is interesting. Has clear alpha-WR qualities, but his star seems to be dimming in mock drafts recently. Drake London went at 1.08, would have thought T-Mac would go at a similar point, especially in a relatively weak WR class. Seattle at 1.18 seems like his floor, and I doubt he gets past Dallas at 1.12. That's going to make him a top-4 pick in PPR leagues, and depending on where Hampton and (and Hunter) go, maybe as high as 1.02.
rockaction
Footballguy
That's what I was trying to say in a roundabout way. Just put three of them on the block, get mid-to-late firsts or early seconds at worst for them and profit ($$)
I agree with you about McMillan except that he's not in Drake London's class if you ask Matt Harmon and some others that I personally trust to evaluate guys. But even if you accept that assessment, he probably won't make it past Dallas and almost never slides out of the first in mocks. I think he's a tough evaluation and a tough guy to take early in rookie drafts just because I think he has a low professional floor and a limited ceiling. But that's only me and just where I stand right now.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
It's what I've been seeing in a lot of my mocks. WR run starting end of the first through the mid to late second round. Don't get me wrong, I'd have Egbuka, Burden, and Tet over some of these second/third tier RBs. But Higgins/Harris/Ayomanor/Noel over guys like Skattebo/Martinez/Giddens/Sampson.... not for me. At least not predraft. If all those RBs are 4th round and later and those WRs are going in the 2nd, I'll start singing a different tune. Until then I feel like those are all reaches based on need and scarcity, not taking BPA.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Praying to god that I don't have to make a decision about this guy at 1.04 (SF)
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I'm assuming you are putting Jeanty, Hampton, and Ward in the top 3?
Unless not a single RB goes in the second round, I'd think historical hit rates say you'll be able to comfortably take Henderson/Judkins/Johnson or a maybe even a surprise back of choice that goes early second without feeling like you're throwing away too much value. Or trade back if possible. This is why I generally like slow drafts for rookies too.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Finally looking at WR pretty hard and not excited about what I've been reading in here.
Faust
MVP
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.@danorlovsky7 says the Cowboys will be "sneakily better than people will expect" if they draft WR Tetairoa McMillan at No. 12
