Ray Barboni
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.. you will remember my name though
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WR Tyreek Hill, MIA (2 Viewers)
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RC94
Footballguy
bumpYeah everytime I see it bumped, I think "Oh no..."
That feeling is usually reserved for retired players. This guy is still in the NFL yet I just assume it's off-the-field news.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Maybe he struggled all year cause that screw was loose? Thank you. Thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the veal.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Ok, what do you guys think his value is in dynasty? He's fallen to a point where I'm willing to toss up an offer (picks). In half-PPR he has overall finishes in the past 5 years as the WR# 2, 6, 2, 2 and then 21st last year. He did struggle with injuries and he also seemed to ride the crazy train at times.
I was out on him but now at his current value WR36 on KTC I might just jump on this crazy train. He's currently below Ricky Pearsall. Currently KTC has him as an early 2025 2nd round pick.
If he gets back into the top 15 WRs, even for 1 year of production, it would be a steal of a deal acquiring him.
My worry is he pulls an Antonio Brown mid-season but at least it doesn't look like it would cost a first rounder to get him....
I was out on him but now at his current value WR36 on KTC I might just jump on this crazy train. He's currently below Ricky Pearsall. Currently KTC has him as an early 2025 2nd round pick.
If he gets back into the top 15 WRs, even for 1 year of production, it would be a steal of a deal acquiring him.
My worry is he pulls an Antonio Brown mid-season but at least it doesn't look like it would cost a first rounder to get him....
Big Nate
Footballguy
I think it is worth the risk to at least inquire in dynasty if a team is looking to move on. I think his redraft ADP might even fall further as the summer goes on if there isn't a lot of talk of his recovery etc.
My main concern is he pisses off mid-season and we never see him again. He he had "quit" the Fins at the end of last year, his last press conference was not good with him saying "I'm out".
What if things aren't going well for him by mid-season and he says "peace-out".
<insert antonio brown running off the field pic>
Hopefully McDaniel can keep Hill happy and underwraps this year.
Big Nate
Footballguy
If the Fins defense isn't improved then this would be good for the passing game - having to catch up.
As for the kids - I can't bet that, he had like 5 last year....
No clue what KTC is but wr36 is ridiculous, most sites that I've looked at have him around 15 or so
Big Nate
Footballguy
Keep Trade Cut. It is a dynasty rankings site. It can be useful to gauge current "interest/hype" in a player. It can be a tool to use to see what a players current value might be. Lots of issues with it but it is what it is. I use it as a guide to go out and buy players who have fallen a lot in what the public may see/view.
Todem
Footballguy
You speak as
Tua will be as bad as ever amd won’t make it thru 8 games….then the Zach Wildos era comes alive…..it’s gonna be brutal this upcoming season.
You speak as if we have a QB……we don’t.
Tua will be as bad as ever amd won’t make it thru 8 games….then the Zach Wildos era comes alive…..it’s gonna be brutal this upcoming season.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Except as a huge Tyreek fan that watched what they had before without Tua, Wilson is basically Joe Montana. It was actually embarrassing for the Dolphins without Tua. As long as he doesn't go full Antonio Brown, I think he has one more top 10 finish.
Todem
Footballguy
You have not seen what he has looked like this off-season have you.
This kid is fat….out of shape and not gonna last 6 games.
Done like dinner.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I'm just getting back to football form. I'm not there yet. Tyreek is fat? Wtf. I'm hoping you mean Wilson or Tua.
Todem
Footballguy
Tua. Major beer gut…..ridiculous. He got paid….hit the lottery. He is done man.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Okay good. Crisis averted. Let the Wilson era begin. Ha ha
efactor
Footballguy
Fake news. Some pictures from March where he was out on a boat drinking a beer and looked a bit overweight. Plenty of time to remedy that. Not exactly in the Jared Lorenzen category.
More concerned about him protecting himself on the rare occasion he takes off and runs.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Here we go again, nothing pleases you. Tua is a good QB and great for Hill in fantasy.
This is a fantasy football forum and Hill produced #2WR overall when the previous year when he was healthy.
Big Nate
Footballguy
All he does is trash the fins and it isn't helpful for fantasy football discussions and if a player might be worth a pick-up.
Some general advice for fantasy: you may not like a player or a team or whatever but if you write them off you will miss out on opportunities. For example with Hill, I have him in an auction dynasty league and I'm 100% not keeping him for his current price this year. It is too expensive - I'm 100% out in that league at that price. But maybe if everyone is out I can get him for cheaper.
Now for Hill he's dropped to WR36 on KTC and WR31 on fantasy pros.
If he plays all the games this year he will 100% finish higher than WR30. So if you are a contender you 100% need to be looking at Hill and see if he might be an option for your team. If you let your hate and dislike for a team/player cloud your mind you won't be successful and will miss opportunities.
As Hill is getting older there is a chance he has started to slide a bit and that is baked into his current ADP/value. I think he's slid to a point where I'm willing to take that risk for a possible top 20 or even top 10-15 WR at WR30 prices.
Todem
Footballguy
Tua won’t be good for Hill because he may last 6-7 weeks tops. Nightmare OL issues here and he literally is a standing target with almost no mobility. And he is fatter now than ever before…..just wait. It’s going to be hillarious when he is out of lineup for an extended amount of time for the 5th time in 6 seasons where he does not play every game.
So for fantasy purposes I would be steering clear of Hill….not only that…Hill is a loose cannon and at any time can have a meltdown. In fact this season is going to be so bad……he may quit on the team by mid season.
So for “fantasy” purposes people should steer clear of the Dolphins offense save for Devone Achane.
Todem
Footballguy
You laugh now……we will check back at the end of this upcoming season. Or maybe you found the post genuinely funny.
Unfortunately for Dolphins fans it’s gonna be our reality in the 2025 season.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Genuinely thought it was funny after I googled the picture and saw him. Though his beer gut and what's considered out of shape for him is probably comparable to the best shape I've ever been in my life so then I stopped laughing and felt bad hahaha.
I do think it's probably a tad hyperbolic, as Tua doesn't seem much like a quitter to me though. If he was, I think the last concussion with fencing reaction would have been enough for him to stop playing. So while he definitely looks to have packed on some pounds and probably wasn't spending his entire off-season grinding like fans/fantasy owners would have preferred; I don't think its necessarily because he's quit on his team or career. I'm sure he'll be back on the grind sooner than later.
At the same time, I too am a little worried about this Dolphins offense; and some of it isn't even tied to him missing games (which is obviously also a big risk). And I've been saying since last season I think Tyreek is rapidly approaching, if not already over, the cliff. I don't think I'd be drafting either of them at ADP (or Waddle tbh). So I'd guess we might actually be pretty aligned on the outlook for this offense in 2025. Which is a major bummer considering how high I was on it just two years ago. They were one of the most fun watches in the league IMO when running on all cylinders.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This was a funny exchange and then it turned sour, let's discuss some Pros and Cons
-Hill is still bothered by a wrist injury, same one that was in cuffs last year Week 1 on the way into the Stadium. Hill could not have gotten off to a worse start last year, off field issues overtook the narrative for Hill vs his play on the field
-Tua Tags is a walking concussion protocol at this point. After 2-3 big ones in 2022, he plays all of '23 and then last year has a huge concussion again early in the season vs the Bills where he essentially did it to himself that had folks off the field asking if perhaps he shouldn't hang em up in the off season
-Miami has improved the IOL but lost Armstead at Left Tackle, it's not a strong unit overall, the Phins cannot protect Tua, it's the front office and owner's fault not Tua.
But you have to factor in Tua missing multiple weeks if not more, one more hit could literally be his last in the NFL
Phins avoid a major cap hit in 2026 if they walk away from Tua post June 1st next year, many of us think that's a pretty big reset date for the Phins
I understand your passion and why Todem rubs you the wrong way, he's more focused on the team vs FF, I'm not that much different except I can step back and admit when I'm super bias on the Phins. There are some potential silver linings, the early word on Savaiinaea the new OL they drafted and likely will plug in at RG where Hunt use to line up, Top 3 impact rookie NOT drafted in the 1st round, that was hailed and being tossed around. Miami also signed Daniels from the Steelers who is coming off injury but better than almost anyone on the Miami OL
That's 2 big beef-mobiles they are plugging inside to overhaul the OL, Savaiinaea is also an expert at zone blocking, Arizona ran a similar offense to what McDaniel likes to implement
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Big Nate
Footballguy
Good to see he's getting help through therapy and has realized he needs to change some things. I'm really thinking about gambling on him that he can bounce back and have one more good season. He just needs to keep everything in check.
He played last year with a wrist injury that needed surgery. It is now fixed. If he can keep his head in it he can be a top 10 WR again in this offense.
If he's going as a middling WR2, I think its not even really a gamble. I've seen him in early ranks going as low as WR22.
