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Sorry fred.. I gotta agree here. The mouth comment was classless (though not surprising coming from him), however he did have NOTHING in caps twice... pretty emphatic way to say it's NOT the same thingI think he clearly put 2004 in a different category.
they have to find a way to keep this kid in the lineup
lets go pats!!! 
Curse of the CLASSY Jeter Avatar continues' date='Aug 21 2006, 10:46 AM' post='5367946']
Sorry fred.. I gotta agree here. The mouth comment was classless (though not surprising coming from him), however he did have NOTHING in caps twice... pretty emphatic way to say it's NOT the same thingI think he clearly put 2004 in a different category.
It's all he needs. Chances are we will never see that again. I am speaking of being down 0-3 and winning 8 straight games to win the WS.I understand his methods to protect 2004, because quite frankly, it's all he's got.even brought out The Rock's shtick to put extra emphasis on the word NOTHINGI think he clearly put 2004 in a different category.
ill definetly be watching. I have no job and nothing better to do.
If it happens once every 86 years, so be it.It's all he needs. Chances are we will never see that again. I am speaking of being down 0-3 and winning 8 straight games to win the WS.I understand his methods to protect 2004, because quite frankly, it's all he's got.even brought out The Rock's shtick to put extra emphasis on the word NOTHINGI think he clearly put 2004 in a different category.
If it happens once every 86 years, so be it.It's all he needs. Chances are we will never see that again. I am speaking of being down 0-3 and winning 8 straight games to win the WS.I understand his methods to protect 2004, because quite frankly, it's all he's got.even brought out The Rock's shtick to put extra emphasis on the word NOTHINGI think he clearly put 2004 in a different category.
Baseball's been around much longer than that.
If it happens once every 86 years, so be it.It's all he needs. Chances are we will never see that again. I am speaking of being down 0-3 and winning 8 straight games to win the WS.I understand his methods to protect 2004, because quite frankly, it's all he's got.even brought out The Rock's shtick to put extra emphasis on the word NOTHINGI think he clearly put 2004 in a different category.
It would probably take another favored team with a stacked lineup falling into the surprising 0-3 hole after their ace gets injured.....If it happens once every 86 years, so be it.It's all he needs. Chances are we will never see that again. I am speaking of being down 0-3 and winning 8 straight games to win the WS.I understand his methods to protect 2004, because quite frankly, it's all he's got.even brought out The Rock's shtick to put extra emphasis on the word NOTHINGI think he clearly put 2004 in a different category.
Why did you pick 86 then?If it happens once every 86 years, so be it.It's all he needs. Chances are we will never see that again. I am speaking of being down 0-3 and winning 8 straight games to win the WS.I understand his methods to protect 2004, because quite frankly, it's all he's got.even brought out The Rock's shtick to put extra emphasis on the word NOTHINGI think he clearly put 2004 in a different category.
because that's the time it took for Boston to finally win a WS.Why did you pick 86 then?If it happens once every 86 years, so be it.It's all he needs. Chances are we will never see that again. I am speaking of being down 0-3 and winning 8 straight games to win the WS.I understand his methods to protect 2004, because quite frankly, it's all he's got.even brought out The Rock's shtick to put extra emphasis on the word NOTHINGI think he clearly put 2004 in a different category.
Oh. I am talking about the path the Red Sox took not necessarily the # of years it took. I couldn't care less about that. I don't really care about the teams involved, though it adds to historic aspect given it was Yankees vs Red Sox. It had never happened in all of baseball's history until then.
Then you can appreciate that the law of averages dictates it would have to happen to the Yankees because they are ALWAYS in the playoffs.
if the FFA had a vote.. he'd have at least 1..
He's having a helluva year, but that hit has zero impact on the MVP race. Voters look at the big picture...stats and team standing (which I disagree;with).
I think he has always been near the top. I think this series may have taken some votes from Papi and given them to Manny, which should hurt both guys. Jeter has been the rock for the Yanks this year. He had 2 huge hits in the last 3 games in the most important series of the season.
Moments like that on national TV make the difference in these things. He's actually earned it this year, considering no Sheff and Matsui and A-Rod having an off year. For the Yanks to be in first with much of the rag tag they sent out there is incredible.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:18 PM' post='5368475']
If the sox make hte playoffs Ortiz will get it..... they won't though, so I think it comes down to Mauer/Jeter... I think if the Twins make it then Mauer gets the vote..... otherwise Jeter has the inside track. I'm in the camp that it's extremely gay that a team's overall success (ie playoff picture) is a deciding factor in who is most valuable to their team. Stick Jeter on the Royals and they are still not a playoff team.... but he's by far the most valuable player on the team and still having one of the best seasons in the majors.Moments like that on national TV make the difference in these things. He's actually earned it this year, considering no Sheff and Matsui and A-Rod having an off year. For the Yanks to be in first with much of the rag tag they sent out there is incredible.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:18 PM' post='5368475']
I'm not sure that Ortiz is the most valuable player on the BoSox. Manny is having a tremendous year.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:24 PM' post='5368513']
If the sox make hte playoffs Ortiz will get it..... they won't though, so I think it comes down to Mauer/Jeter... I think if the Twins make it then Mauer gets the vote..... otherwise Jeter has the inside track. I'm in the camp that it's extremely gay that a team's overall success (ie playoff picture) is a deciding factor in who is most valuable to their team. Stick Jeter on the Royals and they are still not a playoff team.... but he's by far the most valuable player on the team and still having one of the best seasons in the majors.Moments like that on national TV make the difference in these things. He's actually earned it this year, considering no Sheff and Matsui and A-Rod having an off year. For the Yanks to be in first with much of the rag tag they sent out there is incredible.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:18 PM' post='5368475']
But who is more important, Papi or Manny?? Ramirez can do it in any kind of lineup...he proved that with the Indians. Papi needs Manny hitting behind him. It's the reason why people keep pitching to him.Manny is more important to the Sox than Papi, IMO.' date='Aug 21 2006, 10:24 AM' post='5368513']
If the sox make hte playoffs Ortiz will get it..... they won't though, so I think it comes down to Mauer/Jeter... I think if the Twins make it then Mauer gets the vote..... otherwise Jeter has the inside track. I'm in the camp that it's extremely gay that a team's overall success (ie playoff picture) is a deciding factor in who is most valuable to their team. Stick Jeter on the Royals and they are still not a playoff team.... but he's by far the most valuable player on the team and still having one of the best seasons in the majors.Moments like that on national TV make the difference in these things. He's actually earned it this year, considering no Sheff and Matsui and A-Rod having an off year. For the Yanks to be in first with much of the rag tag they sent out there is incredible.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:18 PM' post='5368475']
I agree. The reason that Papi gets so many walk-off home runs is because, unlike many of the league's big power hitters, he gets good pitches to hit in those situatiuons.If Manny batted ahead of Ortiz, he'd be the one being protected by another power hitter. Plus, he's got a twenty point lead in average.But who is more important, Papi or Manny?? Ramirez can do it in any kind of lineup...he proved that with the Indians. Papi needs Manny hitting behind him. It's the reason why people keep pitching to him.Manny is more important to the Sox than Papi, IMO.' date='Aug 21 2006, 10:24 AM' post='5368513']
If the sox make hte playoffs Ortiz will get it..... they won't though, so I think it comes down to Mauer/Jeter... I think if the Twins make it then Mauer gets the vote..... otherwise Jeter has the inside track. I'm in the camp that it's extremely gay that a team's overall success (ie playoff picture) is a deciding factor in who is most valuable to their team. Stick Jeter on the Royals and they are still not a playoff team.... but he's by far the most valuable player on the team and still having one of the best seasons in the majors.Moments like that on national TV make the difference in these things. He's actually earned it this year, considering no Sheff and Matsui and A-Rod having an off year. For the Yanks to be in first with much of the rag tag they sent out there is incredible.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:18 PM' post='5368475']
Why the hell would they do that - Even after all that has happened, today's game is still Big and a 1 game swing either way. :(
Yes, I do appreciate it. I also appreciate what kind of mental meltdown they underwent. Not sure what your point is though.
Doesn't that kind of give little credit to an incredible Boston team that was favored going in?I saw it as some great pitching and timely hitting on the Sox part but, hey..... Just call the Sox only World Series win 86 year a fluke and a Yankee meltdown.... Not my opinion, but, an interesting Point of View.
I don't think it was a fluke and I do think that the Red Sox had the better team. I do question on how much better it was. Let's face it, they weren't THAT far apart. It's not like they lost a bunch of players to injury either. Face it, they screwed up and let it slip away. This wasn't the first time the Red Sox had a better team and the Yankees overcame those to dominate, this time they didn't. Instead they had a meltdown and lost.
Are you watching or just getting the game updates?
880suzyn and Johnor in FFA talk.... :X and
Manny needs protection as well..... look at the yankees series. He was walked 5-6 times intentionally. They are both in the same boat.But who is more important, Papi or Manny?? Ramirez can do it in any kind of lineup...he proved that with the Indians. Papi needs Manny hitting behind him. It's the reason why people keep pitching to him.Manny is more important to the Sox than Papi, IMO.' date='Aug 21 2006, 10:24 AM' post='5368513']
If the sox make hte playoffs Ortiz will get it..... they won't though, so I think it comes down to Mauer/Jeter... I think if the Twins make it then Mauer gets the vote..... otherwise Jeter has the inside track. I'm in the camp that it's extremely gay that a team's overall success (ie playoff picture) is a deciding factor in who is most valuable to their team. Stick Jeter on the Royals and they are still not a playoff team.... but he's by far the most valuable player on the team and still having one of the best seasons in the majors.Moments like that on national TV make the difference in these things. He's actually earned it this year, considering no Sheff and Matsui and A-Rod having an off year. For the Yanks to be in first with much of the rag tag they sent out there is incredible.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:18 PM' post='5368475']
Manny has hurt the Yankees A LOT more than Ortiz has in their careers.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:45 PM' post='5369478']
Manny needs protection as well..... look at the yankees series. He was walked 5-6 times intentionally. They are both in the same boat.But who is more important, Papi or Manny?? Ramirez can do it in any kind of lineup...he proved that with the Indians. Papi needs Manny hitting behind him. It's the reason why people keep pitching to him.Manny is more important to the Sox than Papi, IMO.' date='Aug 21 2006, 10:24 AM' post='5368513']
If the sox make hte playoffs Ortiz will get it..... they won't though, so I think it comes down to Mauer/Jeter... I think if the Twins make it then Mauer gets the vote..... otherwise Jeter has the inside track. I'm in the camp that it's extremely gay that a team's overall success (ie playoff picture) is a deciding factor in who is most valuable to their team. Stick Jeter on the Royals and they are still not a playoff team.... but he's by far the most valuable player on the team and still having one of the best seasons in the majors.Moments like that on national TV make the difference in these things. He's actually earned it this year, considering no Sheff and Matsui and A-Rod having an off year. For the Yanks to be in first with much of the rag tag they sent out there is incredible.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:18 PM' post='5368475']
There is no such thing as the law of averages.
In their careers? No doubt. In the last couple years? Not so much. And the comment about Manny doing well in all lineups "including indians"..... I suggest he step back and look at that indians lineupManny has hurt the Yankees A LOT more than Ortiz has in their careers.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:45 PM' post='5369478']
Manny needs protection as well..... look at the yankees series. He was walked 5-6 times intentionally. They are both in the same boat.But who is more important, Papi or Manny?? Ramirez can do it in any kind of lineup...he proved that with the Indians. Papi needs Manny hitting behind him. It's the reason why people keep pitching to him.Manny is more important to the Sox than Papi, IMO.' date='Aug 21 2006, 10:24 AM' post='5368513']
If the sox make hte playoffs Ortiz will get it..... they won't though, so I think it comes down to Mauer/Jeter... I think if the Twins make it then Mauer gets the vote..... otherwise Jeter has the inside track. I'm in the camp that it's extremely gay that a team's overall success (ie playoff picture) is a deciding factor in who is most valuable to their team. Stick Jeter on the Royals and they are still not a playoff team.... but he's by far the most valuable player on the team and still having one of the best seasons in the majors.Moments like that on national TV make the difference in these things. He's actually earned it this year, considering no Sheff and Matsui and A-Rod having an off year. For the Yanks to be in first with much of the rag tag they sent out there is incredible.' date='Aug 21 2006, 12:18 PM' post='5368475']
I saw it as two real close teams with the Sox the favorite.. Yanks won 3 games Sox won 4 game, interesting season and series. Next.I do believe though that after many years of not winning and the whole 1918 thing and movies mentioning it and the whole "Curse" thing in Boston taking a life of its' own, it meant so many times more to a Sox fan than a Yankee fan.. Again, just my opinion, yeah it was painful but, The losses to the Diamondbacks and Marlins IN the World Series were pretty painful as well. Again, that's just my opion and I can't talk for all Yankee and Sox fans.I don't think it was a fluke and I do think that the Red Sox had the better team. I do question on how much better it was. Let's face it, they weren't THAT far apart. It's not like they lost a bunch of players to injury either. Face it, they screwed up and let it slip away. This wasn't the first time the Red Sox had a better team and the Yankees overcame those to dominate, this time they didn't. Instead they had a meltdown and lost.
Maybe it's getting older, and maybe it's living life and maybe it was lost innocence, but the most despondent I was after any loss in this Yankee run was the one in Seattle. I think that squad had a world series pedigree and Mariano if he got to the next round might have been the original K-Rod. That one hurt for a few months, I was over the Boston loss in a week or 10 days, despite it being so epically cataclysmic. Maybe it was living through 9/11 I couldn't take this crap so seriously.In all honesty though, I've lived through the worst possible thing a sports fan could live through, and you know what, it was kind of ok, and I was actually personally inspired by what the Sox did in my own life, to stare down that much history and shake all those ghosts(recent Yank history, the Bambino, the 3-0 down, Mariano in 9th in Game 4)I saw it as two real close teams with the Sox the favorite.. Yanks won 3 games Sox on 4 game, interesting season and series. Next.I do believe though that after many years of not winning and the whole 1918 thing and movies mentioning it and the whole "Curse" thing in Boston taking a life of its' own, it meant so many times more to a Sox fan than a Yankee fan.. Again, just my opinion, yeah it was painful but, The losses to the Diamondbacks and Marlins IN the World Series were pretty painful as well. Again, that's just my opion and I can't talk for all Yankee and Sox fans.I don't think it was a fluke and I do think that the Red Sox had the better team. I do question on how much better it was. Let's face it, they weren't THAT far apart. It's not like they lost a bunch of players to injury either. Face it, they screwed up and let it slip away. This wasn't the first time the Red Sox had a better team and the Yankees overcame those to dominate, this time they didn't. Instead they had a meltdown and lost.
Agreed but, I never believed in Curses or Ghosts and never had that whole thing on my back, on my Dad's back and on my Grandfather's back like Sox fans did.... The level of emotions and significance just couldn't compare. And afterwards the post game emotions just couldnt' be the same, as if Sox fans expected us to react like we've been beaten for 86 years. I have partied in the Bronx I have been there when the final out was made, I've sipped the champagne, I just couldn't get as depressed and bowled over as a Sox fan that has been beaten up and heard about being beated up for generations. Al lI've grown up with was stories of Greatness and then experienced it....******** BUT I'M A Jets fan - So I consider myself grounded -And most of my Childhood, other than 1978, the two teams weren't really Good teams at the same time and the rivalry was kinda dormant for a bit. To me growing up, it was Yankee and Met fans battling..... Like I said earlier, and it sounds INCREDIBLE even as I type it - I rooted for Boston in 1986.... Could never happen again, but, in NY there was nothing worse then seeing the Mets and the Biggest Band Wagon in the history of Sports win - It was always Hernandez Vs Mattingly and who owns NY back then and those pesky littel chumps like Dykstra and the rest of what turned out to be a Drug Fest..... By the time that series came, I was on top of a Bar in college rooting for Buckner to get that out and I was as shocked as anyone..... BAM.. WTF? I was even wounded on that one. If only I had that Yankee / Sox rivalry in my blood back then I wouldn't know who to root for and probably would have rooted for exactly what happened.Maybe it's getting older, and maybe it's living life and maybe it was lost innocence, but the most despondent I was after any loss in this Yankee run was the one in Seattle. I think that squad had a world series pedigree and Mariano if he got to the next round might have been the original K-Rod. That one hurt for a few months, I was over the Boston loss in a week or 10 days, despite it being so epically cataclysmic. Maybe it was living through 9/11 I couldn't take this crap so seriously.In all honesty though, I've lived through the worst possible thing a sports fan could live through, and you know what, it was kind of ok, and I was actually personally inspired by what the Sox did in my own life, to stare down that much history and shake all those ghosts(recent Yank history, the Bambino, the 3-0 down, Mariano in 9th in Game 4)I saw it as two real close teams with the Sox the favorite.. Yanks won 3 games Sox on 4 game, interesting season and series. Next.I do believe though that after many years of not winning and the whole 1918 thing and movies mentioning it and the whole "Curse" thing in Boston taking a life of its' own, it meant so many times more to a Sox fan than a Yankee fan.. Again, just my opinion, yeah it was painful but, The losses to the Diamondbacks and Marlins IN the World Series were pretty painful as well. Again, that's just my opion and I can't talk for all Yankee and Sox fans.I don't think it was a fluke and I do think that the Red Sox had the better team. I do question on how much better it was. Let's face it, they weren't THAT far apart. It's not like they lost a bunch of players to injury either. Face it, they screwed up and let it slip away. This wasn't the first time the Red Sox had a better team and the Yankees overcame those to dominate, this time they didn't. Instead they had a meltdown and lost.
'95 was brutal. It was without question the low light of my sports watching life. Between missing out on a chance to get to the WS in '94 because of the strike, Donnie's last hurrah, and watching it in a dorm room surrounded by Yankee fans on 10 different floors it still gets me a little to this day. I guess it just made '96 a little sweeter.I'll never forget Gary Thorn's call of Mattingly's Homer in Game 2 of that series.Maybe it's getting older, and maybe it's living life and maybe it was lost innocence, but the most despondent I was after any loss in this Yankee run was the one in Seattle. I think that squad had a world series pedigree and Mariano if he got to the next round might have been the original K-Rod. That one hurt for a few months, I was over the Boston loss in a week or 10 days, despite it being so epically cataclysmic.I saw it as two real close teams with the Sox the favorite.. Yanks won 3 games Sox on 4 game, interesting season and series. Next.I do believe though that after many years of not winning and the whole 1918 thing and movies mentioning it and the whole "Curse" thing in Boston taking a life of its' own, it meant so many times more to a Sox fan than a Yankee fan.. Again, just my opinion, yeah it was painful but, The losses to the Diamondbacks and Marlins IN the World Series were pretty painful as well. Again, that's just my opion and I can't talk for all Yankee and Sox fans.I don't think it was a fluke and I do think that the Red Sox had the better team. I do question on how much better it was. Let's face it, they weren't THAT far apart. It's not like they lost a bunch of players to injury either. Face it, they screwed up and let it slip away. This wasn't the first time the Red Sox had a better team and the Yankees overcame those to dominate, this time they didn't. Instead they had a meltdown and lost.
I bet those two are doing it
