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[u999spf]

I really don't think the guy being drunk when he accepted the trade is a big deal at all. It could easily happened if he wasn't drunk too. There are a number of reasons someone could have hit the accept button twice. You could have been distracted by wife/gf/kids/phone etc in the middle of doing this. You could have been watching tv and turned away after you hit enter. You could be someone that is not very knowledgable with the website itself or computers on general. Some people just don't take the time to read every little thing that pops up, you get so many pop ups and messages on the net that you develop blinders on that stuff, like accepting license agreements, registration disclaimers, etc that you just partially read them and click ok without realizing what you just agreed to.

What the hell?Are you the Team B owner?You make a lot of excusesrunkKidWifeGirlfriendPhonesWatching tvNot very knowledgable with computers? Enough to have a on-line draft, league, able to email BUT not knowledgable enough to NOT hit accept button twice

Lol, No I am not TeamB, but I do commish 3 leagues and have done so for a every long time. So I tend to look at things a little differently and take the entire league and the people involved into account, to do what's best for the league. We do have guys that are not all that great with computers in our league, and that have been known to do some dumb things in the past. All I am saying is that it is possible a tecnical glitch could happen at any time whether you are drunk or not and the fact that he emailed the team and the commish within 2 hours tells me its a legit mistake and not buyers remorse. You just have to give him the benefit of the doubt this time and deal with it. This isn't even that big a deal for a commish to handle. The nightmare scenario for any commish is what to do when an extremely bad trade is submitted. You know all hell is going to break loose in that league with everyone having a different view on it.

What technical glitch? Where is that?The only technical thing is that team B was drunk. Human error NOT computer error.Before you thought it was the next morning and now you are defending the 2 hours later excuse.Team B owner was drunk! You are telling me he sobered up 2 hours later?Who the hell in this day and age doesn't know how to read? Do you accept this offer?Warning! Clicking yes will complete this trade!How is being drunk, and then supposedly 2 hours later be sober enough to realize you "made a mistake", convince you that it was an honest mistake?I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt because there is no doubt. When he Emailed the other owner and said he was drunk, that right there solidifies this trade. The only thing I have to give is to give team B owner a "Sorry #######. Next time don't be a drunk" Do you have owners that are illiterate?

If this was an in-season trade involving players, yes this trade would stand in my league. But it's not, its a pre-draft trade and it can still be worked out. Just do it over.Yes, There are guys that will call or email their trades instead of doing it on mfl, probably because they are not all that familiar with the site or computers and I will have to put them in.What if the guy wasn't drunk when he did it, does it make a difference to you? What if he said I thought I was sending a counter offer and clicking ok to that? And sent out the email 2 hours later? Are you saying that you could never see how something like that could happen either?

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I really don't think the guy being drunk when he accepted the trade is a big deal at all. It could easily happened if he wasn't drunk too. There are a number of reasons someone could have hit the accept button twice. You could have been distracted by wife/gf/kids/phone etc in the middle of doing this. You could have been watching tv and turned away after you hit enter. You could be someone that is not very knowledgable with the website itself or computers on general. Some people just don't take the time to read every little thing that pops up, you get so many pop ups and messages on the net that you develop blinders on that stuff, like accepting license agreements, registration disclaimers, etc that you just partially read them and click ok without realizing what you just agreed to.

What the hell?Are you the Team B owner?You make a lot of excusesrunkKidWifeGirlfriendPhonesWatching tvNot very knowledgable with computers? Enough to have a on-line draft, league, able to email BUT not knowledgable enough to NOT hit accept button twice

Lol, No I am not TeamB, but I do commish 3 leagues and have done so for a every long time. So I tend to look at things a little differently and take the entire league and the people involved into account, to do what's best for the league. We do have guys that are not all that great with computers in our league, and that have been known to do some dumb things in the past. All I am saying is that it is possible a tecnical glitch could happen at any time whether you are drunk or not and the fact that he emailed the team and the commish within 2 hours tells me its a legit mistake and not buyers remorse. You just have to give him the benefit of the doubt this time and deal with it. This isn't even that big a deal for a commish to handle. The nightmare scenario for any commish is what to do when an extremely bad trade is submitted. You know all hell is going to break loose in that league with everyone having a different view on it.

What technical glitch? Where is that?The only technical thing is that team B was drunk. Human error NOT computer error.Before you thought it was the next morning and now you are defending the 2 hours later excuse.Team B owner was drunk! You are telling me he sobered up 2 hours later?Who the hell in this day and age doesn't know how to read? Do you accept this offer?Warning! Clicking yes will complete this trade!How is being drunk, and then supposedly 2 hours later be sober enough to realize you "made a mistake", convince you that it was an honest mistake?I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt because there is no doubt. When he Emailed the other owner and said he was drunk, that right there solidifies this trade. The only thing I have to give is to give team B owner a "Sorry #######. Next time don't be a drunk" Do you have owners that are illiterate?

If this was an in-season trade involving players, yes this trade would stand in my league. But it's not, its a pre-draft trade and it can still be worked out. Just do it over.Yes, There are guys that will call or email their trades instead of doing it on mfl, probably because they are not all that familiar with the site or computers and I will have to put them in.What if the guy wasn't drunk when he did it, does it make a difference to you? What if he said I thought I was sending a counter offer and clicking ok to that? And sent out the email 2 hours later? Are you saying that you could never see how something like that could happen either?

If he wasn't drunk then the trade should definately stand. Even more so. Being drunk might be a very very very very very very weak defense but illiterate? Keep up now. He had to hit the accept button not once BUT TWICE. Is he computer illiterate? Then I blame the commisoner (you) for not knowing before the season starts if anybody has any questions on how to click a mouse button. Not once but twice. And if he made a mistake then he should send it two minutes later NOT two hours later.Face it. Guy got drunk and made a drunk mistake. That is just way to Fn! BAD.

 

[BoulderBob]

Take the guys word. You have no reason not to believe him unless he has a history.

 

[GregR_2]

If team B's team is the only one affected, I would be ok with reversing a transaction that someone mailed quickly about saying it wasn't what they intended. Such as if a player is dropped and no one picked him up in the meantime.

If a second team is affected though, I don't think it's right to roll back the trade without Team A giving their consent.

 

[Shaqspaere]

First, there is little I hate more than a babysitter commish. Been in leagues where they have to approve every trade or FA transaction in the name of "fairness" That is BS Sissy FF.

Second, "I had one to many beers while playing golf" isn't necessarily an indication of drunkenness. It simply means "What the hell was I thinking?" my preferred colloquialism is "I took one too many hits on the crack pipe" but it means the same thing.

Finally, unless the commish had a history of meddling with trades, I would consider it a learning experience and let it go. No sense in being "that guy" and stirring up bad blood.

 

[pinequick]

Scenario

I am team A.

I propose a pre draft trade to an owner last night. Here is the exact trade offer:

Team A gave up:

Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.11

Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.11

Team B gave up:

Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.04

Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.09

Team B accepts the trade and the trade becomes official. The picks are swapped on the league site and the trade is complete.

2 hours later I get this email from Team B:

"I had one too many beers tonight at golf tonight and hit the accept button instead of the counter offer. My counter offer was your 1.11 and 5.11 for my 2.04 and 4.04. Would this trade work for you."

I didn't respond and messaged the commish about the problem. I get this response from the commish:

"Team B hit the wrong button and intended to first counter offer.

I think he sent you the counter offer already.

I’m going to reverse this trade for now and leave it up to the both of you to offer/accept/reject, etc again if you want it.

Feel free to offer it again because Team B still might want it.

I’ll make it clear to everyone in the league that this type of commish intervention is not the norm.

Please evaluate and make a final decision on trades before hitting any buttons."

My gripe - Anyone that has used MFL for their league know that you have to hit accept twice to finalize a trade. You get a warning message stating "You are about to accept this trade - Hit yes to process" or something similar to this. My honest feeling is that this owner changed his mind and wanted to rework the trade after he accepted. Buyers remorse should not equal a reversal of a completed transaction.

Should I be angry?

What decision would you have made as a commish?

Commish made the wrong call here. Teams are responsible for their own actions, unless they harm the integrity of the league. This clearly did not.The commish should have stayed out of it, giving you the opportunity to have been gracious enough to rescind the accepted trade offer (which, IMO, you ought to have done, given the chance). Commish screwed up here, though.

 

[dapace2]

Reality Check is needed here.

1) you play fantasy football for fun; you enjoy it.

2) the commish is doing what they think is right.

3) you may or may not agree, but the commish made a decision and its time for you to move on.

4) raising a stink will suck the fun out for you, for the other player, and the commish. LET IT GO and continue to have fun; don't dwell on it; life's too short.

This is from a former commish who had constant problems with an owner who refused to let it be fun.

 

[amphibianbri]

I've been a commish for over 10 years now and I agree this trade should stand. If other people griped and moaned that the other woner might leave I would ask the guy that got screwed in this league, not the owner who backed out, what he would consider fair compensation for the other owner backing out. Let's say he asks for a 6th round pick. I ask the drunk owner whether he wants to complete the original deal or cough up the 6th rounder. There has to be a consequence for stupidity. Guaranteed this situation comes up again and the commish will be screwed because you can't let one owner get away with it without letting each owner take a mulligan. In simple terms, if you , then don't when you f up

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Reality Check is needed here.1) you play fantasy football for fun; you enjoy it.2) the commish is doing what they think is right.3) you may or may not agree, but the commish made a decision and its time for you to move on.4) raising a stink will suck the fun out for you, for the other player, and the commish. LET IT GO and continue to have fun; don't dwell on it; life's too short.This is from a former commish who had constant problems with an owner who refused to let it be fun.

Don't play for money dapace2. Stay in your "fun" leagues. So the commish is going to have to babysit every trade, drop/add move because you want the league to be fun? What a great league when the commish has to okay every move.I'm a commish and if this happens I will be the first to say to the owner: "Don't be drinking and then making dumb moves and then expect me to reverse them"If the owner wants to leave because I'm not going to babysit him then fine because I have his $ and I can replace him easily.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Reality Check is needed here.1) you play fantasy football for fun; you enjoy it.2) the commish is doing what they think is right.3) you may or may not agree, but the commish made a decision and its time for you to move on.4) raising a stink will suck the fun out for you, for the other player, and the commish. LET IT GO and continue to have fun; don't dwell on it; life's too short.This is from a former commish who had constant problems with an owner who refused to let it be fun.

You make a trade that everyone thinks is wrong but in all honesty both you and the other owner think it betters both teams. Commish voids it. Do you just move on?I didn't think so.

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

If you guys want to get REAL technical, you have to click THREE times with MFL to accept a trade.

1. You click into the radio button that says Accept the Trade.

2. A popup tells you that you are about to accept the trade, are you sure. You have to click yes to continue.

3. You then have to click the OK button on the trade page.

 

[AB in DC]

Reality Check is needed here.1) you play fantasy football for fun; you enjoy it.

Don't play for money dapace2. Stay in your "fun" leagues.

Obviously (1) doesn't apply to some people.I certainly hope it applies to 99% of people reading this.

 

[Warpig]

Reality Check is needed here.1) you play fantasy football for fun; you enjoy it.2) the commish is doing what they think is right.3) you may or may not agree, but the commish made a decision and its time for you to move on.4) raising a stink will suck the fun out for you, for the other player, and the commish. LET IT GO and continue to have fun; don't dwell on it; life's too short.This is from a former commish who had constant problems with an owner who refused to let it be fun.

If you want fun, go join a free online community league. If it's a money league...it's like blood in the water. I have fun in competitve leagues for money and this kinda crap wouldn't fly. A trade involving two teams is a private affair unless it is obviously collusion of some sort. If some guy made the mistake of logging in while drunk then that's his mistake. Haven't you heard "Merlot and email don't mix?" To me...THAT is what makes the leagues fun. Finding some sucker willing to make that transaction that might help me to the top. If the trade was fair then there is no collusion and the transaction is made. You can't allow a guy to back out of it because he had second thoughts because he thinks player A is gonna be a stud all of a sudden. Like I said in my previous post...there appears to be a lot of "less competitive" mild-mannered leagues out there ran by spineless commish's with weak and flexible rules. They don't like ruffling feathers or having their feathers ruffled. Sorry bub, but when money is on the line...you better have some air tight rules or you're gonna get blasted and I'd be looking for another league. I'm not afraid to be told "NO" as long as you can justify your reasoning in the league rules. So take this as a plea to commishes around the world to TAKE A STAND and don't be afraid to be firm. Because if you buckle for one guy...you gotta buckle for everyone or you will end up pissing everyone off.

 

[oukurt]

*Update*

I never got a response from the owner in question, but he just proposed the trade again and of course I accepted. I am guessing he came to his senses and decided to do the right thing. So the soap opera ends and the commish is off the hook.

Word of advice though. You might check your league charter and see if you have firm trade rules in place protecting you from what could become a disaster.

Thanks for the input all. Made for some good reading while I was resolving the situation.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

*Update*I never got a response from the owner in question, but he just proposed the trade again and of course I accepted. I am guessing he came to his senses and decided to do the right thing. So the soap opera ends and the commish is off the hook.Word of advice though. You might check your league charter and see if you have firm trade rules in place protecting you from what could become a disaster.Thanks for the input all. Made for some good reading while I was resolving the situation.

If dapace2 is the commish he might void this trade otherwise it will take the fun out of the league