You Thought Julius Drove You Crazy in 05 (1 Viewer)

[Big Score]

Looks to me like it's KFFL format... I don't have access to KFFL hot off the wire from work. Perhaps you can send a complaint to KFFL instead of calling out people on message boards who are passing along blog releases verbatim? I'm not sure the basis of your complaint though, that is quoting Parcells. I guess I'm just not seeing the big "worsening" of the story.

BigJim®,Here's the reason for Bankerguy going off the deep end so easily.

I think it's clear that I am a Dallas fan and a fan of JJ.

You're not likely to get an unbiased view from him and I'm sure this is why he took umbrage so quickly & vehemently.

 

[T Man]

It turned out to be true...however..if you look at post #1 it does NOT say that.  I was the one who tracked down the whole article.  The original post imo...is  



He came back to look....then bailed.

For one who claims not to be here to pimp JJ, you sure do seem to be taking odd offense to someone posting a simple blurb. I might add, the same blurb I've seen verbatim at a number of other FF websites, so the blurb originated somewhere in the exact form as posted. I highly doubt the poster is fishing, or running away in shame for passing along the blurb that's out there; the full interview with Parcells isn't that much different than the condensed quote.

Then do us all a favor...provide me the link to that original article as posted in Post 1. I saw this over at FFToday and called him out too. This story was "changed" to make it look worse than it was....imo. I think it's clear that I am a Dallas fan and a fan of JJ. From a Fantasy persepctive, I've clearly stated that I have him ranked 21....I'm hardly pimping him.

I don't like it when people change the relevant facts or state their opinion as fact.

I stand by original claim 100%.

MB3 will....... imo....

Spell JJ on 1 or 2 series a game.

Get the majority of 3rd down work.

Be a capable backup if JJ goes down again.

Looks to me like it's KFFL format... I don't have access to KFFL hot off the wire from work. Perhaps you can send a complaint to KFFL instead of calling out people on message boards who are passing along blog releases verbatim? I'm not sure the basis of your complaint though, that is quoting Parcells. I guess I'm just not seeing the big "worsening" of the story.

Here is the post from KFFL:"Cowboys | Parcells says Barber will have expanded role

Thu, 11 May 2006 14:57:20 -0700

Nick Eatman, of DallasCowboys.com, reports Dallas Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells has said RB Marion Barber III should receive an expanded role in the offense in 2006 and spoke very highly of the second-year player. "I like Barber a lot," Parcells said. "He doesn't have great speed but he's a very, very good blocker. He's a very, very good receiver and he has very good vision as a runner. He's elusive in the hole."

If you disagree with the story, take it up with KFFL, Nick Eatman or DallasCowboys.com

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Bankerguy]

I'll take my medicine......I was wrong about the original poster.

 

[Bankerguy]

Looks to me like it's KFFL format... I don't have access to KFFL hot off the wire from work. Perhaps you can send a complaint to KFFL instead of calling out people on message boards who are passing along blog releases verbatim? I'm not sure the basis of your complaint though, that is quoting Parcells. I guess I'm just not seeing the big "worsening" of the story.

BigJim®,Here's the reason for Bankerguy going off the deep end so easily.

I think it's clear that I am a Dallas fan and a fan of JJ.

You're not likely to get an unbiased view from him and I'm sure this is why he took umbrage so quickly & vehemently.

As far as this goes....that's up to you to decide.I don't think I am biased from a FF perspective. Cowboys...yeah you are probably right.

This thread.....

 

[BigJim®]

I'll take my medicine......I was wrong about the original poster.

 

[Beaumont]

I'll take my medicine......I was wrong about the original poster.

Seriously, I pop in threads a lot and dont read the whole thing ... I am too busy. Heck, I did not realize my motives were being questioned until I took the time to read the whole thread just now ...

I just cut and pasted from KFFL. If people dont want KFFL blurbs without a link to the original article, I will lay off ... dont have enough time to pick up the original article everytime I see an interesting KFFL shot ...

I do rely on KFFL for my updates and for them to be accurate. I also figured that experienced posters can spot the KFFL format from a mile away ...

My original reason for posting it was I had JJ in two leagues last year. The split carries with MBIII from time to time chapped my rear and made me question his long term value ... saw this blurb, suggesting an expanded role for 2006, and figured it would be interesting and helpful to post ... also, I know a lot of quality posters and staff have very high opinions of MBIII ...

No harm, no foul ... but dont be so quick to question someone's motives ...

 

[cowboyz]

i think demetrius summers will be a cowboy. when asked about him, parcells said he didn't want to talk about him and they weren't giving him a contract at the end of minicamp. he wished they wouldn't bring up his name. then went on to say that it was a good thing for him. sounds like they have a plan for him.

 

[Couch Potato]

Thanks for the correction on the height / weight.

No sweat. Sorry if I seemed unnecessarily sarcastic in response.

Nope, I didn't take it badly at all. We're good.

 

[Bankerguy]

I'll take my medicine......I was wrong about the original poster.

Seriously, I pop in threads a lot and dont read the whole thing ... I am too busy. Heck, I did not realize my motives were being questioned until I took the time to read the whole thread just now ...

I just cut and pasted from KFFL. If people dont want KFFL blurbs without a link to the original article, I will lay off ... dont have enough time to pick up the original article everytime I see an interesting KFFL shot ...

I do rely on KFFL for my updates and for them to be accurate. I also figured that experienced posters can spot the KFFL format from a mile away ...

My original reason for posting it was I had JJ in two leagues last year. The split carries with MBIII from time to time chapped my rear and made me question his long term value ... saw this blurb, suggesting an expanded role for 2006, and figured it would be interesting and helpful to post ... also, I know a lot of quality posters and staff have very high opinions of MBIII ...

No harm, no foul ... but dont be so quick to question someone's motives ...

Again, my apologies. I still think people are seeing what they want to see (with the big article...I posted) . There won't be a RBBC in Dallas..imo. Many were still saying to discount Jones dramatically.

 

[Chaos Commish]

i think demetrius summers will be a cowboy. when asked about him, parcells said he didn't want to talk about him and they weren't giving him a contract at the end of minicamp. he wished they wouldn't bring up his name. then went on to say that it was a good thing for him. sounds like they have a plan for him.

Ironic you post this in a thread about misleading commentary. The Cowboys signed a few of the UDFAs they invited in. They sent Demetrius home unsigned. I don't see how this is a good thing for Summers?? I've read every comment you made except for the "good thing for him" part. Can you link to that one. And if you can, can you please explain how it makes sense. I don't get it.

-- signed,

Cowboy fan excited about Summers and not thrilled with JJ or Barber...

 

[Big Score]

There won't be a RBBC in Dallas..imo.

See, I don't get this line of thought.All you have to do is look at last year to know that there already was RBBC going on in Dallas.

Look at their splits from last year when they were both on the field together, after Barber had proved his worth & JJ was back from injury.

Over that 8 game span there were 221 total carries & 36 total receptions between the two.

Of the 221 carries JJ had 145 & Barber had 76. That's 66% of the carries for JJ.

Of the 36 receptions JJ had 23 & Barber 13. Again that's right at 66% for JJ.

So last year it was a 66% JJ workload to a 34% Barber workload.

Now Parcells comes right out and says;

"I like Barber a lot," Parcells said. "He doesn't have great speed but he's a very, very good blocker. He's a very, very good receiver and he has very good vision as a runner. He's elusive in the whole. He's just not a breakaway guy. And if you look at the stats for NFL rookie backs last year, he was just a part-time player. He didn't really play anywhere near the majority of the time and he was still fifth in yards total (538) for rookies. So I think his role will be expanded."

So after last years RBBC split of 65% to 35% between JJ & Barber, Parcells is now going to work Barber in even more, but it's NOT going to be RBBC?

 

[AnonymousBob]

Toss in TO and I don't see JJ as being a great pick as your #2 rb. I'll wait several more rounds, take MBIII and wait 'til JJ gets hurt.

 

[Bankerguy]

There won't be a RBBC in Dallas..imo.

See, I don't get this line of thought.All you have to do is look at last year to know that there already was RBBC going on in Dallas.

Look at their splits from last year when they were both on the field together, after Barber had proved his worth & JJ was back from injury.

Over that 8 game span there were 221 total carries & 36 total receptions between the two.

Of the 221 carries JJ had 145 & Barber had 76. That's 66% of the carries for JJ.

Of the 36 receptions JJ had 23 & Barber 13. Again that's right at 66% for JJ.

So last year it was a 66% JJ workload to a 34% Barber workload.

Now Parcells comes right out and says;

"I like Barber a lot," Parcells said. "He doesn't have great speed but he's a very, very good blocker. He's a very, very good receiver and he has very good vision as a runner. He's elusive in the whole. He's just not a breakaway guy. And if you look at the stats for NFL rookie backs last year, he was just a part-time player. He didn't really play anywhere near the majority of the time and he was still fifth in yards total (538) for rookies. So I think his role will be expanded."

So after last years RBBC split of 65% to 35% between JJ & Barber, Parcells is now going to work Barber in even more, but it's NOT going to be RBBC?

There is a huge difference between RBBC and injury time where the backup picks up carries like Barber did last year. When Jones is healthy MB3 will get 1-2 series+some 3rd downs. ******************Right from the same article***********************

Expanded from a part-time player?

Sounds like Barber might get a shot to at least compete with Jones for a starting job. If anything, with Barber's ability to block and catch the ball out of the backfield, it sounds like they might have a true third-down back on their hands.

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His expanded role will be 3rd down back all year, which he wasn't last year (Tyson Thomson started the year in this role)

 

[Bankerguy]

How about this........

Someone type out an unbiased poll question about whether their will RBBC in Dallas. I will post it on a Cowboys site I visit, then you can get the opinions of those who follow the Cowboys (As closely as I do).

I'll post the question...and report the results back here.

 

[Big Score]

There is a huge difference between RBBC and injury time where the backup picks up carries like Barber did last year. When Jones is healthy MB3 will get 1-2 series+some 3rd downs.

Which is why I only looked at last years games when both players were healthy and on the field at the same time.None of the 8 games examined, were where Barber was the sole back, or where JJ was the sole back.

Look at their splits from last year when they were both on the field together, after Barber had proved his worth

& JJ was back from injury.

Over that 8 game span there were 221 total carries & 36 total receptions between the two.

Of the 221 carries JJ had 145 & Barber had 76. That's 66% of the carries for JJ.

Of the 36 receptions JJ had 23 & Barber 13. Again that's right at 66% for JJ.

So last year it was a 66% JJ workload to a 34% Barber workload.

 

[cowboyz]

i think demetrius summers will be a cowboy. when asked about him, parcells said he didn't want to talk about him and they weren't giving him a contract at the end of minicamp. he wished they wouldn't bring up his name. then went on to say that it was a good thing for him. sounds like they have a plan for him.

Ironic you post this in a thread about misleading commentary. The Cowboys signed a few of the UDFAs they invited in. They sent Demetrius home unsigned. I don't see how this is a good thing for Summers?? I've read every comment you made except for the "good thing for him" part. Can you link to that one. And if you can, can you please explain how it makes sense. I don't get it.

-- signed,

Cowboy fan excited about Summers and not thrilled with JJ or Barber...

i heard it during his press conference on sunday. i went back to the cowboys website, and that question is not shown call me but i know parcells said it.http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thestate/spor..._south_carolina

"But the Cowboys asked Summers to return to Valley Ranch for their next mini-camp in June, a development that Summers’ agent viewed as a positive sign."

 

[Chaos Commish]

i heard it during his press conference on sunday. i went back to the cowboys website, and that question is not shown call me but i know parcells said it.

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thestate/spor..._south_carolina

"But the Cowboys asked Summers to return to Valley Ranch for their next mini-camp in June, a development that Summers’ agent viewed as a positive sign."

Good enough, thanks.

 

[Bankerguy]

I looked back at some of the games and game day threads at the Cowboys site. I noticed a few things:

Week 10 (Philly McNabb choke game) - This was JJ's first game back. The majority of Cowboy fans felt JJ was still very much nursing the ankle injury. Many feel he came back because Parcells had expressed concern about him missing time.

The lines..

MB3 13 for 46 and a score

JJ 8 for 16

Advantage: No one...JJ was still hurting.

Week 11 Detroit

MB3 15 for 53 and 2 scores

JJ 21 for 92

Advantage: MB3 his stats are over stated with garbage time. Vultered 1 TD...but a very good performance from MB3.

Health-could not be used as an excuse.

I will say this, on the opening drive it was JJ who drove the ball the field started on their own 16 (MB3 gets 3 carries and the TD). After the game was wrapped up MB3 got garbage time to run the clock down.

Week 12 (Denver/Thanksgiving 4 days later)

JJ.............20 for 55

MB3.........9 for 28

Advatage: Only mariginally for JJ.

Analysis: Both sucked to be honest. Denver abused the Cowboys O-line all day. MB3 gets spot duty/3rd down's.

Week 13 (Giants)

JJ........23 for 74 and caught 9 for 88

MB3....2 for 8

Advantage: JJ...no analysis needed here.

Week 14 (KC)

JJ...........12 for 41

MB3...... 15 for 82

Advantage: MB 3, but neither really effective. Again the O-line gets abused in this game. The loss of FLO hurt the run game overall. I'll definetly say Parcells went to the hotter hand and sent JJ a message as MB3 got all the 4th quarter work.

Week 15 (NYG)

JJ.......12 for 79

MB3...10 for 30

Advantage: JJ (Although the split of carries looks like RBBC)

Week 16 (Carolina)

JJ......34 for 197 and 2 scores

MB3....6 for 20

Advantage: JJ

In a must win playoff type game Parcells shows us what to expect. Although I certainly don't expect this kind of performance weekly, this is the split I think we will see this year.

Week 17 (St Loo)

Prior to the game.....Cowboys were eliminated. Were not playing to win.

Advantage: JJ but who really cares.

This is far from conclusive, but when you factor in the injury return and some of the garbage time to MB3. It does show that JJ should get the ball about 75% of the time....again....imo.

Have it er fellas.

 

[Bankerguy]

For the record.....here are the results of the poll so far.

RBBC.............6

No RBBC........20

Comments made.....

I don't think it will be RB by Committee per se. I think Julius will be the feature back and MBIII will be the 3rd down short / yardage specialist. And there will be a limited role for Tyson Thompson as a reliever for Julius. I think you will see 20 to 25 carries for Julius, 5 to 10 for MBIII and 4 or 5 for Thompson.

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Of course this is contingent upon Julius staying healthy AND the O-line doing a decent job of blocking. If the blocking sucks I think you will see more of MBIII because he can make better yardage with inferior blocking than Julius can.

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BIll doesn't like the RBBC approach, he wants that one guy to be his main guy, but sine MBIII is a talented runner in his own right, and his skills fit the 3rd down role perfectly, he's going to receive 10-15 touches a game, while Julius is going to tote the rock 27 times a game, and catch a few passes

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All we hear from BP, JJ any writers or reporters is that Julius is the man.

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No Parcells said he wanted JJ to be a Tiki Barber type player. Meaning he will give him the chance to do just that. Stay on the field every play.

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If that Carolina game is an indication of what JJ can do when healthy then BP would be an idiot to do running back by committee.

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Back to me......everyone says I'm pimping JJ. Again for the record, I'm not pimping his results, I AM pimping him as the main man in Dallas. The RBBC will not happen .....imo.

 

[Jackal]

9). Talking to his former linebacker Carl Banks last Friday morning on Sirius NFL Radio, Cowboys coach Bill Parcells had an interesting take on what he wanted out of Julius Jones.

Parcells said, "I want him to be on the field for every play. I want him to be like Tiki Barber."

A month ago, Jones told us, when pressed about his relationship with Parcells, "I have to be better in practice. At first I didn't know what a Parcells-guy was. Now I do. I have a good relationship with Coach and I am ready for a big season."

We'll clip and save both quotes.

With Marion Barber III coming off of a big rookie season, it will be fascinating to watch the running back battle in Dallas this summer.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5600474

 

[NattyDread]

For the record.....here are the results of the poll so far.

RBBC.............6

No RBBC........20

Comments made.....

I don't think it will be RB by Committee per se. I think Julius will be the feature back and MBIII will be the 3rd down short / yardage specialist. And there will be a limited role for Tyson Thompson as a reliever for Julius. I think you will see 20 to 25 carries for Julius, 5 to 10 for MBIII and 4 or 5 for Thompson.

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Of course this is contingent upon Julius staying healthy AND the O-line doing a decent job of blocking. If the blocking sucks I think you will see more of MBIII because he can make better yardage with inferior blocking than Julius can.

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BIll doesn't like the RBBC approach, he wants that one guy to be his main guy, but sine MBIII is a talented runner in his own right, and his skills fit the 3rd down role perfectly, he's going to receive 10-15 touches a game, while Julius is going to tote the rock 27 times a game, and catch a few passes

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All we hear from BP, JJ any writers or reporters is that Julius is the man.

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No Parcells said he wanted JJ to be a Tiki Barber type player. Meaning he will give him the chance to do just that. Stay on the field every play.

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If that Carolina game is an indication of what JJ can do when healthy then BP would be an idiot to do running back by committee.

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Back to me......everyone says I'm pimping JJ. Again for the record, I'm not pimping his results, I AM pimping him as the main man in Dallas. The RBBC will not happen .....imo.

As a JJ dynasty owner, this has been an interesting discussion and I can identify those on both sides of the RBBC question. But it certainly does help to hear the opinions of Cowboys homers. Thanks BankerGuy.

 

[Big Score]

For the record.....here are the results of the poll so far.

RBBC.............6

No RBBC........20

Comments made.....

I don't think it will be RB by Committee per se. I think Julius will be the feature back and MBIII will be the 3rd down short / yardage specialist. And there will be a limited role for Tyson Thompson as a reliever for Julius. I think you will see 20 to 25 carries for Julius, 5 to 10 for MBIII and 4 or 5 for Thompson.

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Of course this is contingent upon Julius staying healthy AND the O-line doing a decent job of blocking. If the blocking sucks I think you will see more of MBIII because he can make better yardage with inferior blocking than Julius can.

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BIll doesn't like the RBBC approach, he wants that one guy to be his main guy, but sine MBIII is a talented runner in his own right, and his skills fit the 3rd down role perfectly, he's going to receive 10-15 touches a game, while Julius is going to tote the rock 27 times a game, and catch a few passes

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All we hear from BP, JJ any writers or reporters is that Julius is the man.

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No Parcells said he wanted JJ to be a Tiki Barber type player. Meaning he will give him the chance to do just that. Stay on the field every play.

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If that Carolina game is an indication of what JJ can do when healthy then BP would be an idiot to do running back by committee.

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Back to me......everyone says I'm pimping JJ. Again for the record, I'm not pimping his results, I AM pimping him as the main man in Dallas. The RBBC will not happen .....imo.

The results from the poll & comments from Dallas fans, who have their finger on the pulse of the Cowboys, can't be ignored.Much appreciation for doing that Bankerguy

 

[Bankerguy]

For the record.....here are the results of the poll so far.

RBBC.............6

No RBBC........20

Comments made.....

I don't think it will be RB by Committee per se. I think Julius will be the feature back and MBIII will be the 3rd down short / yardage specialist. And there will be a limited role for Tyson Thompson as a reliever for Julius. I think you will see 20 to 25 carries for Julius, 5 to 10 for MBIII and 4 or 5 for Thompson.

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Of course this is contingent upon Julius staying healthy AND the O-line doing a decent job of blocking. If the blocking sucks I think you will see more of MBIII because he can make better yardage with inferior blocking than Julius can.

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BIll doesn't like the RBBC approach, he wants that one guy to be his main guy, but sine MBIII is a talented runner in his own right, and his skills fit the 3rd down role perfectly, he's going to receive 10-15 touches a game, while Julius is going to tote the rock 27 times a game, and catch a few passes

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All we hear from BP, JJ any writers or reporters is that Julius is the man.

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No Parcells said he wanted JJ to be a Tiki Barber type player. Meaning he will give him the chance to do just that. Stay on the field every play.

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If that Carolina game is an indication of what JJ can do when healthy then BP would be an idiot to do running back by committee.

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Back to me......everyone says I'm pimping JJ.  Again for the record, I'm not pimping his results, I AM pimping him as the main man in Dallas.  The RBBC will not happen .....imo.

The results from the poll & comments from Dallas fans, who have their finger on the pulse of the Cowboys, can't be ignored.Much appreciation for doing that Bankerguy

Some late love for MB3 the lead is down to about 38-30. However, as this is not a "fantasy site" there seems to be some conusion about RBBC. The consensus is that JJ should get 20-22 carries a game. MB will average about 5-10 per game.The difference of opinion seems to be about goal line touches. I agree that this is very much up in the air. My sense is JJ will get the benefit of the doubt to start, but Bill will bring in MB3 if needed. I believe MB3 is the better short yardage back.

Guys, thanks for being patient with me....my heart is in the right place. I just get a bit hot over folks who read a fluff piece (and shame on KFFL) and then start discounting players because of it. I am just trying help out.

 

[Big Score]

Thanks again for stepping up to the plate and doing this Bankerguy.

Just keep us informed.

 

[Bri]

I'm hearing whispers that Julius worked out so much last offseason he was almost tired heading into the year. He did really bulk up last offseason and was an Eddie George like Adonis heading into camp. Not sure if it's BS or not. He wouldn't be the first young player to do that in sports. However, there's no real way of knowing til the season's underway.

 

[Bankerguy]

Last year Dallas rank 5th in Avg. Rushes/game, the Steelers were first. On average the Cowboys ran 32 times a game. I don't expect to see this increase, if may drop slightly.

Expect an average of 30-31 carries per game.

 

[Big Score]

Bankerguy,

Did you get some more responses to your poll / question on the whole RBBC thing, over at the Cowboys message board?

I'd be interested to read some more of their thoughts, if you have the time.

 

[Bankerguy]

Bankerguy,

Did you get some more responses to your poll / question on the whole RBBC thing, over at the Cowboys message board?

I'd be interested to read some more of their thoughts, if you have the time.

The poll was flawed, I really failed to explain what RBBC means. This was just a fan website (Very knowlegdeable Football people, but not Fantasy specific). I have to say even at great sites like this one RBBC means something different to many people.

JJ still was leading the poll at around 60%. Which to me is still surprising. My invovlement in this thread as a Cowboy homer is not to pump Jones (Even though I do like him as a Cowboy), it is instead to keep people from reaching for MB3. It does appear that the MB3 bandwagon is getting bigger. Does it really mean anything though?

Most people at the Cowboys site see 20-22 carries a week. The injury factor is where most people will have different projections.

IMO...Bill hand picked this guy, he will get every opportunity to be successful this year. My current ranking for JJ is 18th.

 

[Big Score]

Bankerguy,

Did you get some more responses to your poll / question on the whole RBBC thing, over at the Cowboys message board?

I'd be interested to read some more of their thoughts, if you have the time.

The poll was flawed, I really failed to explain what RBBC means. This was just a fan website (Very knowlegdeable Football people, but not Fantasy specific). I have to say even at great sites like this one RBBC means something different to many people.

JJ still was leading the poll at around 60%. Which to me is still surprising. My invovlement in this thread as a Cowboy homer is not to pump Jones (Even though I do like him as a Cowboy), it is instead to keep people from reaching for MB3. It does appear that the MB3 bandwagon is getting bigger. Does it really mean anything though?

Most people at the Cowboys site see 20-22 carries a week. The injury factor is where most people will have different projections.

IMO...Bill hand picked this guy, he will get every opportunity to be successful this year. My current ranking for JJ is 18th.

Thanks for your update & info.

 

[The Royal Jack]

not surprised, I liked what barber did last year, had a big JJ fire sale in my dynasty leagues...  wouldn't be surprised to see demetrius summers get a serious look

I wish to encourage all FBGs to keep a google-eye on "demetrius summers."

At 6'2" 188 I don't think he has the body of a feature NFL RB.His 4.56 forty time is nothing special.

And how long before his next failed drug test? He was cut from South Carolina after failing two of them.

So, there were reasons he went undrafted.

I guess there's hope for any talented player (I don't deny he's talented), but I'm not holding my breath.

Another blunder by nfl.com. Demetrius Summers is a 5-11 215 pound thumper with great hands, crazy agility and good enough long speed to break away. Those numbers you're citing are wrong. I don't think Dallas is taking the bait though. They could have signed him when they had him in camp, but they let him walk. They did the same with Austin Miles. I think that's two mistakes, but they signed Sam Hurd (wr).Summers has been a very solid citizen since screwing up his life and getting kicked off the football team. He disowned his party friends. He kept his nose clean. He got a job. He hired a trainer. He got married. He's all about making things right for his daughter. He sent video, urine samples and a testimony to all 32 teams. The testimony was very honest. He owned up. He liked partying. He liked pot. He was young and stupid and running with friends he'd known since grade school. He wished he'd gone to school far away from them, or he wished he'd just been smarter.. But he didn't and he wasn't. So, he's doing everything he can to fix it. He's clean. Lou Holtz is vouching for him. He just might make it somewhere. But probably not, and probably not in Dallas, fwiw.

As a Gamecock homer - here is the scoop. Summers was a problem in high school - he lived with his Coach to keep out of trouble.

He was generally regarded as the #1 RB prospect that year out of high school ahead of Reggie Bush.

Lou Holtz did EVERYTHING it took to land this Columbia native.

This included hiring an assistant coach from the Lexington High School staff to come over to SC. Summers lived with this assistant coach while at SC.

All reports indicate that Summers attended Holtz practices sporadically and spent most of his time smoking grass.

Spurrier was having none of it and after Summers failed his second drug test after Spurrier's shape up or ship out ultimatum - he hit the highway when facing a year suspension from the team.

He decided to sign on with a personal trainer that had helped fellow Gamecock flunkee Derek Watson (former SEC all purpose yardage leader) catch on with Tampa Bay last year. The difference is that Watson was a college stud while Summers was largely a dud. Summers was injured often, conditioning often questioned and had exactly one big game against Tennessee to his credit.

Maybe Summers has been scared straight but I think its a pretty safe bet he fall on his face soon enough.

With that said - Blurb from Dallas Morning News: Running back is back at it:

The Cowboys will take another look at running back Demetris Summers this weekend and, according to agent Kevin Parker, if Summers does well he could sign a contract.

Summers, South Carolina's all-time leading high school rusher, took part in the rookie minicamp after the draft and intrigued coach Bill Parcells. Summers was dis- missed from South Carolina's team March 1, 2005, by coach Steve Spurrier after failing a drug test.

 

[cowboyz]

and so ends the career of the guy known only as the 2nd best player coming out of high school after reggie bush

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/

Two players have been cut from the team, RB Demetris Summers and defensive tackle Samuel Taulealea … meanwhile, Miles Austin just made the best catch of the day.

they couldn't even spell his name right

 

[ImTheScientist]