Your opinion on the job that President Obama is doing so far (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Awesome]

I think this Osama news is a litmus test of sorts. If you're totally unwilling to give him credit or even say kudos, you're a biased political hack who is unable to remove your blinders and look at an issue reasonably.

Guys to ignore moving forward:jon_mxArcticedgeAnyone I miss?

 

[timschochet]

I think this Osama news is a litmus test of sorts. If you're totally unwilling to give him credit or even say kudos, you're a biased political hack who is unable to remove your blinders and look at an issue reasonably.

I haven't read a single poster in this forum who has stated this. Some have been critical of his speech, but everyone here has given him credit. I have been impressed and proud of the conservatives that have shown up today in this forum, even the ones I usually disagree with on every issue. They have been extremely fair IMO. I believe that if this had happened on W's watch, the liberals here would be equally fair.However, if you venture outside the FFA and read, for instance, FreeRepublic.Com, you will find people who give the president no credit whatsoever. I'm happy that sort of poster doesn't hang around this forum.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

I think this Osama news is a litmus test of sorts. If you're totally unwilling to give him credit or even say kudos, you're a biased political hack who is unable to remove your blinders and look at an issue reasonably.

Guys to ignore moving forward:jon_mxArcticedgeAnyone I miss?

Going forward?

 

[timschochet]

I think this Osama news is a litmus test of sorts. If you're totally unwilling to give him credit or even say kudos, you're a biased political hack who is unable to remove your blinders and look at an issue reasonably.

Guys to ignore moving forward:jon_mx

Arcticedge

Anyone I miss?

I haven't read AE's comments, but jon_mx has given credit to Obama, though he was critical of the speech. So I don't think this is fair.

 

[tommyboy]

I think this Osama news is a litmus test of sorts. If you're totally unwilling to give him credit or even say kudos, you're a biased political hack who is unable to remove your blinders and look at an issue reasonably.

Guys to ignore moving forward:jon_mxArcticedgeAnyone I miss?

Dr gobbler

 

[Dr. Awesome]

my opinion of obama just went up about 25 pts

Obama gets major kudos for authorizing the raid. Not 25 points worth but still kudos.

So Obama single-handedly killed Bin Laden? Or am I missing something here? If this had happened January 21, 2009 would you still feel like Obama deserves credit?

Ridiculous.

Bush issued the order that he wanted to get Osama really really bad, while Obama issued the order that he wanted Osama really really really bad. Major policy change there.

Giving Obama a ton (or even a little) credit, is absurd.

I think this Osama news is a litmus test of sorts. If you're totally unwilling to give him credit or even say kudos, you're a biased political hack who is unable to remove your blinders and look at an issue reasonably.

Guys to ignore moving forward:jon_mx

Arcticedge

Anyone I miss?

I haven't read AE's comments, but jon_mx has given credit to Obama, though he was critical of the speech. So I don't think this is fair.

Red is AE. Perhaps I read too much into jon's comment but it sure seems he's not giving credit. We have an interesting mix. Some of the more vocal conservatives (and the ones who are usually pretty open minded) are even giving credit. It seems others think they are never allowed to like anything Obama does. It's bizarre.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

FTR, I believe McCain/Bush/whatever other name you want to insert here would have been able to take credit for Osama's death had they been President. This was going to happen at some point. But they weren't President. Like the coach of a sports team, sometimes the President gets more credit than they 'deserve' when someone else could have accomplished the same thing. But nobody else is President. If Obama has to deal with some blame he doesn't 100% deserve, he also gets some credit he doesn't 100% deserve.

 

[Statorama]

I think this Osama news is a litmus test of sorts. If you're totally unwilling to give him credit or even say kudos, you're a biased political hack who is unable to remove your blinders and look at an issue reasonably.

I haven't read a single poster in this forum who has stated this. Some have been critical of his speech, but everyone here has given him credit. I have been impressed and proud of the conservatives that have shown up today in this forum, even the ones I usually disagree with on every issue. They have been extremely fair IMO. I believe that if this had happened on W's watch, the liberals here would be equally fair.However, if you venture outside the FFA and read, for instance, FreeRepublic.Com, you will find people who give the president no credit whatsoever. I'm happy that sort of poster doesn't hang around this forum.

I'm even kind of miffed at guys like Lindsey Graham, who are half-seriously questioning if the quick burial at sea of Osama was some kind of cover-up.

Obama's not the sharpest pencil in the case, but even he's not dumb enough to proclaim Bin Laden dead if he's not 100% sure he's dead. Can you imagine what would happen if a Bin Laden tape showed up next week on Al Jezeera with him holding up today's newspapers, all with "Bin Laden Dead" headlines? No way Obama escapes that. My tinfoil hat is on as tight as anyone, but even I know Obama wouldn't risk it.

 

[Statorama]

FTR, I believe McCain/Bush/whatever other name you want to insert here would have been able to take credit for Osama's death had they been President. This was going to happen at some point. But they weren't President. Like the coach of a sports team, sometimes the President gets more credit than they 'deserve' when someone else could have accomplished the same thing. But nobody else is President. If Obama has to deal with some blame he doesn't 100% deserve, he also gets some credit he doesn't 100% deserve.

I give the guy credit because I know I'd be the first in line to degrade him if this turned into Jimmy Carter's 'Operation Eagle Claw' all over again.

 

[Statorama]

I think this Osama news is a litmus test of sorts. If you're totally unwilling to give him credit or even say kudos, you're a biased political hack who is unable to remove your blinders and look at an issue reasonably.

It's also a good test to see who the super kool-aid drinkers are. The ones that act like short of pulling the trigger this was all done by Obama.When the seal team asked for the green light, Obama made the right call. Didn't hurt me at all to say that.

 

[Fennis]

see you in 2024!

 

[NCCommish]

FTR, I believe McCain/Bush/whatever other name you want to insert here would have been able to take credit for Osama's death had they been President. This was going to happen at some point. But they weren't President. Like the coach of a sports team, sometimes the President gets more credit than they 'deserve' when someone else could have accomplished the same thing. But nobody else is President. If Obama has to deal with some blame he doesn't 100% deserve, he also gets some credit he doesn't 100% deserve.

I give the guy credit because I know I'd be the first in line to degrade him if this turned into Jimmy Carter's 'Operation Eagle Claw' all over again.

The problem there wasn't the President. It was infighting between service branches that doomed that mission. That's why we handle things the way we do now.

 

[ceo3west]

...Where did I say he should "get credit for OSL, but no blame for $4 gas"? YOU put that in my mouth. I was merely pointing out someone else's hypocrisy. Before you jump to conclusions and criticize posters I suggest you think about what you're reading first guy.

Reading down? With all of the partisan hypocrisy you engage on this board, you have lost the legitimacy to call out other people's hypocrisy.

 

[Saints-Man]

...Where did I say he should "get credit for OSL, but no blame for $4 gas"? YOU put that in my mouth. I was merely pointing out someone else's hypocrisy. Before you jump to conclusions and criticize posters I suggest you think about what you're reading first guy.

Reading down? With all of the partisan hypocrisy you engage on this board, you have lost the legitimacy to call out other people's hypocrisy.

I assure you, you have no idea of my political views.

 

[Phil Elliott]

I think this Osama news is a litmus test of sorts. If you're totally unwilling to give him credit or even say kudos, you're a biased political hack who is unable to remove your blinders and look at an issue reasonably.

You have to admit, Obama is kiind of a passive aggressive dude. He injects name calling/villifying in his speeches when he says not to do that. He is pretty mild mannered and then he lets go and pulls the trigger on the pirates and now Osama. You go dude! As one of those that probably does not agree with about 95% of Obama's viewes/actions, his speech last night was very presidential. Finally acting like a leader. Congrats to everyone that was in on this operation and finally got Bin Laden!

 

[jamny]

Pathetic. Both sides acting like 3 year old brats. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Makes me want to puke when our men and women in the armed forces sacrifice themselves on a daily basis, only to have a bunch of political hacks #####ing and moaning about who deserves the credit for killing OBL. You all suck.

 

[jon_mx]

Do we know who pulled the trigger? The guy will be a hero, but perhaps a target too for radical Islamics.

 

[timschochet]

Do we know who pulled the trigger? The guy will be a hero, but perhaps a target too for radical Islamics.

For this reason, I hope we don't find out.

 

[jon_mx]

Do we know who pulled the trigger? The guy will be a hero, but perhaps a target too for radical Islamics.

For this reason, I hope we don't find out.

It is a fairly small group. How do you keep that a secret?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Do we know who pulled the trigger? The guy will be a hero, but perhaps a target too for radical Islamics.

For this reason, I hope we don't find out.

It is a fairly small group. How do you keep that a secret?

You can keep it a secret because it is a fairly small group.

 

[tommyboy]

Thank you Mr. President for using all intelligence, diplomatic relationships and other resources available to you instead of resorting to torture and other violent means that failed under President Bush.

correction: obama used the intelligence gathered via torture and violence under Bush to exploit Bin Ladens weak link."McTorture™, It Works!"

Has this been confirmed?

several times, keep reading bud

 

[timschochet]

Do we know who pulled the trigger? The guy will be a hero, but perhaps a target too for radical Islamics.

For this reason, I hope we don't find out.

It is a fairly small group. How do you keep that a secret?

Obama and the government could point this guy out. They could give him a special medal. He could return to America a hero, and appear on Oprah and the Today Show. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. I'd have to look it up, but I don't believe we publicized the names of the men who served on the Enola Gay.

 

[jon_mx]

Do we know who pulled the trigger? The guy will be a hero, but perhaps a target too for radical Islamics.

For this reason, I hope we don't find out.

It is a fairly small group. How do you keep that a secret?

Obama and the government could point this guy out. They could give him a special medal. He could return to America a hero, and appear on Oprah and the Today Show. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. I'd have to look it up, but I don't believe we publicized the names of the men who served on the Enola Gay.

Yeah, it is known who they were.

 

[Red Forman]

This is extremely presidential, this is how it is done.

CIA/Military Officials: "Mr. President, our search for OBL has taken us to a compound in Pakistan. We are

98% sure OBL is there. Do we have the green light to raid?"

President Obama: "Hey, whatever you guys are feeling. I got a pickup game with Jordan and Clark Kellog in

a few, and then an early fund raiser in the morning. Whatever you think. Gotta run"

Giving Obama a ton (or even a little) credit, is absurd.

No way this isnt what went down. I'll add that it is sad that Obama used "I" in his speach several times.

 

[Sarnoff]

I don't believe we publicized the names of the men who served on the Enola Gay.

Maybe I watch a lot of Jeopardy!, but, I know the name Paul Tibbets and that the plane was named after his mother off the top of my head.

 

[bigbottom]

Thank you Mr. President for using all intelligence, diplomatic relationships and other resources available to you instead of resorting to torture and other violent means that failed under President Bush.

correction: obama used the intelligence gathered via torture and violence under Bush to exploit Bin Ladens weak link."McTorture™, It Works!"

Has this been confirmed?

several times, keep reading bud

Specifically that the intel was gained through torture?

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

This is extremely presidential, this is how it is done.

CIA/Military Officials: "Mr. President, our search for OBL has taken us to a compound in Pakistan. We are

98% sure OBL is there. Do we have the green light to raid?"

President Obama: "Hey, whatever you guys are feeling. I got a pickup game with Jordan and Clark Kellog in

a few, and then an early fund raiser in the morning. Whatever you think. Gotta run"

Giving Obama a ton (or even a little) credit, is absurd.

No way this isnt what went down. I'll add that it is sad that Obama used "I" in his speach several times.

Someone wants attention!

 

[griff321]

Thank you Mr. President for using all intelligence, diplomatic relationships and other resources available to you instead of resorting to torture and other violent means that failed under President Bush.

correction: obama used the intelligence gathered via torture and violence under Bush to exploit Bin Ladens weak link."McTorture™, It Works!"

Has this been confirmed?

several times, keep reading bud

Specifically that the intel was gained through torture?

Taken from an article posted in another thread."Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic."

Edit: I think I've heard somewhere else it was something like another two years after the water torture that he revealed the names under whatever consists of "standard methods." I may have this number confused with some other part of the timeline. Confirm/deny?

 

[tommyboy]

Specifically that the intel was gained through torture?

yes. here's a couple quotes:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden’s most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed’s successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.

Shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, detainees in the CIA's secret prison network told interrogators about an important courier with the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti who was close to bin Laden. After the CIA captured al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he confirmed knowing al-Kuwaiti but denied he had anything to do with al-Qaida.

 

[bigbottom]

Interesting. Though those quotes do stop short of stating that the intel was gained through torture, and griff's link appears to suggest otherwise.

 

[Phil Elliott]

without a doubt the best day of his presidency..

Yet, apparently no significant bounce in his approval rating? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

 

[Shtaym Syek]

without a doubt the best day of his presidency..

Yet, apparently no significant bounce in his approval rating? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Try again.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

This is one of the issues of our time and on many issues I'm hard right but the whole way this was handled was wonderful by the pres. I'm not sure if I'd vote for him, but I certainly have a soft spot for him now after so many people that I know from my town perished.

I'm willing to cut Barry some slack for a little while. I would have thought that there would have been at least some approval rating jump.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9MTB2_8bmw

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9MTB2_8bmwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRY_BOYeySc

Here we go again with that quote. It's inaccurate and taken out of context.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9MTB2_8bmwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRY_BOYeySc

Here we go again with that quote. It's inaccurate and taken out of context.

Did you watch the first video? The quote isn't even lifted from there. Osama wasn't Bush's priority. Bush boasted that Osama had been "marginalized" and had "met his match" and he "doesn't spend much time on him". Maybe Bush was right that Osama wasn't that important or a threat anymore, but I don't see the need for revising history.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9MTB2_8bmwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRY_BOYeySc

Here we go again with that quote. It's inaccurate and taken out of context.

Did you watch the first video? The quote isn't even lifted from there. Osama wasn't Bush's priority. Bush boasted that Osama had been "marginalized" and had "met his match" and he "doesn't spend much time on him". Maybe Bush was right that Osama wasn't that important or a threat anymore, but I don't see the need for revising history.

So then please don't revise history and lie about what was said by trying to pass off a poor cut-and-paste modified quote. Below is a transcript of the conversation, let me know where he said he really didn't care, it wasn't important, and it wasn't a priority. If this was true, wouldn't we have pulled troops out of Afghanistan? The point he was making is that he was trying to root out all terror.

Q. Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Usama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part, deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of—— The President. Well, deep in my heart, I know the man is on the run if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not? We haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is—really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just—he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network is—his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is—as I've mentioned in my speeches, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death, and he himself tries to hide—if, in fact, he's hiding at all. So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly [Kelly Wallace, Cable News Network], to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well supplied, that the strategy is clear, that the coalition is strong, that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahi-Kot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did. And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahi-Kot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahi-Kot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough; we're strong; they're well equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means. Q. But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? The President. Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And again, I don't know where he is. I—I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became—we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his Al Qaida killers anymore. And if we—excuse me for a minute—and if we find a training camp, we'll take care of it. Either we will, or our friends will. That's one of the things—part of the new phase that's becoming apparent to the American people is that we're working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary or training or a place to hide or a place to raise money. And we've got more work to do. See, that's the thing the American people have got to understand, that we've only been at this 6 months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don't know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it's going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink, and I'm not going to get tired, because I know what is at stake.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9MTB2_8bmw

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9MTB2_8bmw

But you quoted "I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

 

[Sarnoff]

"I'm not as concerned as I once was about his ability to direct an attack against the United States" is not the same as "I don't care"

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9MTB2_8bmw

You just misquoted my misquote. Do you actually dispute any part of it? I don't know how anybody could listen to Bush and not conclude that finding and killing Osama wasn't his priority. His priority was bigger than that. That's fine. Maybe that makes him a better president and saved millions of lives, but the Republicans should try that angle at least. Tell me he how marginalized Osama had become and how his death changes nothing or even worse makes us more vulnerable to attacks. But don't pretend Bush played a major role in what happened last weekend. Its disingenuous and insulting.

 

[urbanhack]

"I'm not as concerned as I once was about his ability to direct an attack against the United States" is not the same as "I don't care"

It's not that I don't care about the FFA, I'm just not going to spend as much time here.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9MTB2_8bmw

I didn't pretend anything. I just pointed out that whatever wacko site you pulled that quote from is inaccurate and taken out of context. Is it NOT terribly inaccurate? If you look closely I just gave Obama some huge praise up there without mentioning Bush. I corrected your error, one that's been made by at least 4 people in the last 24 hours.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9MTB2_8bmw

Was it a direct verbatim quote? No.Was every statement in the quote sufficiently conveyed in the larger statement? Absolutely

Do you disagree? Which part of it do you disagree with?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Do we know who pulled the trigger? The guy will be a hero, but perhaps a target too for radical Islamics.

For this reason, I hope we don't find out.

It is a fairly small group. How do you keep that a secret?

It is not really that small of a group it is just that the members can't count very high.

 

[RCon]

Was it a direct verbatim quote? No.Was every statement in the quote sufficiently conveyed in the larger statement? AbsolutelyDo you disagree? Which part of it do you disagree with?

So cutting and pasting various words and phrases out of a larger narrative is a valid way of quoting someone? Pretty sure you could make anyone look bad by simply cutting words out and rearranging them.If what he said was so bad, why not use the actual quotes instead of rearranging and adding words?

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Was it a direct verbatim quote? No.Was every statement in the quote sufficiently conveyed in the larger statement? AbsolutelyDo you disagree? Which part of it do you disagree with?

So cutting and pasting various words and phrases out of a larger narrative is a valid way of quoting someone? Pretty sure you could make anyone look bad by simply cutting words out and rearranging them.If what he said was so bad, why not use the actual quotes instead of rearranging and adding words?

I concede this it was horrible injustice to copy and paste something without checking it out first.This is my new and unique interpretation of Bush's larger statements..."I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - Mr. PadresLakersWhat part of it do you disagree with and why?

 

[urbanhack]

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/03/bush-did-not-catch-bin-laden/

 

[Leviathan]

Do we know who pulled the trigger? The guy will be a hero, but perhaps a target too for radical Islamics.

For this reason, I hope we don't find out.

It is a fairly small group. How do you keep that a secret?

It is not really that small of a group it is just that the members can't count very high.

Why did you post such a stupid ####### comment?

 

[Phase of the Game]

Do we know who pulled the trigger? The guy will be a hero, but perhaps a target too for radical Islamics.

For this reason, I hope we don't find out.

It is a fairly small group. How do you keep that a secret?

It is not really that small of a group it is just that the members can't count very high.

Why did you post such a stupid ####### comment?