Your "Untouchables" (1 Viewer)

[BigRed]

So who are your players you're very unlikely if not totally against drafting no matter what (well within reason ie given a player will go about in a given range)?

A few of mine:

Maroney - don't trust health

Westbrook - likewise

McNabb - likewise again

Bush - going too high for my tastes, McA takes away too many touches

Vick - this POS simply cannot be on my team

Portis - see Vick

Benson - just not a believer, totally unproven

Jacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw it

JJ/Barber - likewise for DAL

Any HOU player - does this really need an explanation?

Caddy - have another good year and I'll believe. Will go too early

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year

 

[jurb26]

Portis - see Vick

Ummm

 

[Borat]

Jacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw it

Probably trust them quite a bit more than I could throw them.

 

[montana_grizzly_bears]

I dont think you can go into any draft saying I'm not gonna take players x, y, z no matter what. If any of those players fall and become a value pick than you should go after them. I can never understand people saying "I dont want XXX on my fantasy team cazuse he is a lowlife POS in real life." You take value where you can andgo from there.

 

[duaneok66]

I dont think you can go into any draft saying I'm not gonna take players x, y, z no matter what. If any of those players fall and become a value pick than you should go after them. I can never understand people saying "I dont want XXX on my fantasy team cazuse he is a lowlife POS in real life." You take value where you can andgo from there.

Come on, theoretically, you're correct . . .BUT let's look at reality . . . people were drfafting Domanick Davis this time last year . . . he was not on my draft board because I KNEW that someone would forego the injury risk and take him . . .there are always guys that you strongly suspect will go at a certain round or higher, and if you don't want him at that round, there is no need for you to be on the board . . .

 

[finito]

Disagree with Portis. The guy has big time value potential right now. He's dropping to the late 2nd round in some drafts.

 

[Desert_Power]

Lee Evans

 

[radballs]

I agree with you about half the guys. The other half I think are guys I'll be targeting because I think their relative ppg value has been driven to all time lows and they should easily exceed their ADP. Granted, I'm only referring to ppr leagues. By saying you don't want anyone of these guys on your team, you should be saying that I won't have any of these guys on my team given their CURRENT ADP. Comments below in bold.

Maroney - don't trust health - Health not a concern, just his current ADP which is too high.

Westbrook - likewise - PPR stud. Passed him up for Jordan last year at 1.08. Won't make same mistake again.

McNabb - likewise again - Terrific QB value right now. Unfortunately, they still go way too early in ppr leagues, so I'll never see him. On a ppg basis, he's great. Just get a decent backup.

Bush - going too high for my tastes, McA takes away too many touches - Agree.

Vick - this POS simply cannot be on my team - Terrific best ball QB. When you got to select the starter, he can be unreliable. Potential suspension coming.

Portis - see Vick - Don't see the correlation. Portis will be on a lot of championship teams this year. Very underrated.

Benson - just not a believer, totally unproven - Agree, especially in ppr leagues. Depends on his pre-draft ADP but I think it's going to be too high.

Jacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw it - Don't like any Giant RB in ppr leagues but Bradshaw might not be a bad late round shot.

JJ/Barber - likewise for DAL - TD only league = Barber but this situation is a mess. All depends on where each of them falls.

Any HOU player - does this really need an explanation? - Never rule out anyone. Every person has value given where they need to be drafted.

Caddy - have another good year and I'll believe. Will go too early - BS. He's going in the 4th round. He's a steal there.

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year. Agree

 

[JayMan]

I dont think you can go into any draft saying I'm not gonna take players x, y, z no matter what. If any of those players fall and become a value pick than you should go after them. I can never understand people saying "I dont want XXX on my fantasy team cazuse he is a lowlife POS in real life." You take value where you can andgo from there.

Come on, theoretically, you're correct . . .BUT let's look at reality . . . people were drfafting Domanick Davis this time last year . . . he was not on my draft board because I KNEW that someone would forego the injury risk and take him . . .there are always guys that you strongly suspect will go at a certain round or higher, and if you don't want him at that round, there is no need for you to be on the board . . .

2 postings that represents everything we need to know in this thread... the 'theoretical ADP-VBD' vs 'behavioral' approach...Everyone goes into a draft saying 'I'll get the best team I can this year - only looking at numbers and opportunities'... but when it comes down to a few guys in the same tierings, you then have flashes of the SOB that dropped a few passes two years ago when you were jumping up and down in your living room knowing that if he had caught these you would be work-league-champion... and you pass on him... for that interesting rookie full of potential that never had the chance to snake bite you...(sorry, no names... yet )

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Lee Evans

Really? Why?I see him as under-valued myself.

 

[radballs]

Lee Evans

Really? Why?I see him as under-valued myself.

Under valued? I haven't seen him go lower than top 12 WR in any drafts I've been in yet (okay I'm saying that without double checking), but I've been in at least 6 drafts so far this year and he's overrated if anything imo. And if he's anywhere between 10-20 WRs drafted, tough to say he's one way or the other. I'd be taking the under on his ADP though myself unless it was a best ball league.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Unless you avoid guys with a good combo of value/ upside I wouldn't include Jacobs, Barber or Caddy on that list.

 

[SSOG]

Lee Evans

Really? Why?I see him as under-valued myself.

Under valued? I haven't seen him go lower than top 12 WR in any drafts I've been in yet (okay I'm saying that without double checking), but I've been in at least 6 drafts so far this year and he's overrated if anything imo. And if he's anywhere between 10-20 WRs drafted, tough to say he's one way or the other. I'd be taking the under on his ADP though myself unless it was a best ball league.

He was WR7 last year, he's young, he's got a very strong history of production despite tough coverage, he doesn't have much competition for touches, and I don't see any significant reason to downgrade expectations from Buffalo's passing game. I don't think it's surprising at all that he never lasts past the top 12, because I don't think there are 12 more WRs in the NFL that you can say that about.Guys that I seriously doubt I'll wind up with include Vince Young and Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Reggie Bush (not a typo- I listed him twice on purpose for emphasis), Matt Jones, Larry Fitzgerald (I like him a lot, but not as one of the top three WRs off the board), Shaun Alexander, Shaun Alexander, Shaun Alexander (he gets listed three times), "What You Talkin' About, Willis" McGahee, Randy Moss, or Randy Moss. It's not that I don't like any of those players, or that I wouldn't draft any of those players... it's just that I doubt any of those players will last long enough that I won't have anyone else left on my board that I have rated higher.Really, though, there's no one I simply won't draft. In fact, I frequently target "undraftable" players, because often they present the best value (I'm thinking Michael Vick in 2006).

 

[toxic]

Here are 2 VERY unorthodox selections. The following 2 players are both great players, but they are consistently being selected ahead of players I like marginally more. They wouldn't have to fall very far for me to take them, but current ADP suggest they just won't fall the few picks they would need to to line up with my rankings:

Shaun Alexander (going top 5, I have him at #9RB (in ppr). I know that's a small gap, but I have yet to see him drop that far)

Larry Fitzgerald (going as #4WR, I have him at #9WR)

Both should be very good (and could be exceptional), but they are currently unlikely to end up on my teams.

 

[gheemony]

TO

Randy Moss

 

[Bri]

I dont think you can go into any draft saying I'm not gonna take players x, y, z no matter what. If any of those players fall and become a value pick than you should go after them. I can never understand people saying "I dont want XXX on my fantasy team cazuse he is a lowlife POS in real life." You take value where you can andgo from there.

Not for the POS reason but people do that with Peyton every year

 

[radballs]

I dont think you can go into any draft saying I'm not gonna take players x, y, z no matter what. If any of those players fall and become a value pick than you should go after them. I can never understand people saying "I dont want XXX on my fantasy team cazuse he is a lowlife POS in real life." You take value where you can andgo from there.

Not for the POS reason but people do that with Peyton every year

What means this?

 

[radballs]

Reasons to expect similar performance to 2006:

He was WR7 last year.

Reasons to expect that he could slip from last year:

He's young, and I don't see any significant reason to downgrade expectations from Buffalo's passing game. (Really, there's a guy named Marshawn Lynch that might change that.)

 

[Bri]

I dont think you can go into any draft saying I'm not gonna take players x, y, z no matter what. If any of those players fall and become a value pick than you should go after them. I can never understand people saying "I dont want XXX on my fantasy team cazuse he is a lowlife POS in real life." You take value where you can andgo from there.

Not for the POS reason but people do that with Peyton every year

What means this?

people don't pick peyton every year, not because he's a lowlife POS in reallife

 

[radballs]

I dont think you can go into any draft saying I'm not gonna take players x, y, z no matter what. If any of those players fall and become a value pick than you should go after them. I can never understand people saying "I dont want XXX on my fantasy team cazuse he is a lowlife POS in real life." You take value where you can andgo from there.

Not for the POS reason but people do that with Peyton every year

What means this?

people don't pick peyton every year, not because he's a lowlife POS in reallife

Only one person can pick him. He seems to get picked in every draft I've ever been in over his career. Are you saying people are crazy if they don't take him with their first round pick?

 

[thayman]

So who are your players you're very unlikely if not totally against drafting no matter what (well within reason ie given a player will go about in a given range)?A few of mine:Maroney - don't trust healthWestbrook - likewiseMcNabb - likewise againBush - going too high for my tastes, McA takes away too many touchesVick - this POS simply cannot be on my teamPortis - see VickBenson - just not a believer, totally unprovenJacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw itJJ/Barber - likewise for DALAny HOU player - does this really need an explanation?Caddy - have another good year and I'll believe. Will go too earlyLewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year

good list over all.....mostly because I think most of the guys will go way to early. Except for McNabb and Portis. Both will fall way too much and be great value picks

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Peyton Manning - I just can't draft a qb that early

Drew Brees - see above

Tom Brady - see above

Mark Bulger - see above

Carson Palmer - see above

Tony Romo - Going ahead of about 5 guys I like better

Marshawn Lynch - I don't think he is as talented as draft pick suggests, we shall see.

Lamont Jordon - To many options avaialbe on a team that won't put up good numbers

Mike Furrey - 3rd wr being drafted as if he was still #2

 

[bcr8f]

Anyone on the Patriots not named Brady.

 

[KellysHeroes]

So who are your players you're very unlikely if not totally against drafting no matter what (well within reason ie given a player will go about in a given range)?

A few of mine:

Maroney - don't trust health/ going very early for me

Westbrook - likewise/ disagree, Philly is learning how to finally use him

McNabb - likewise again/ totally agree

Bush - going too high for my tastes, McA takes away too many touches/ Bush was a top 10 last yr in my PPR league (your list must be redraft)

Vick - this POS simply cannot be on my team

Portis - see Vick/ disagree, Portis is free falling right now and he makes a great #2

Benson - just not a believer, totally unproven / good, more for me

Jacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw it

JJ/Barber - likewise for DAL / I never liked either one myself

Any HOU player - does this really need an explanation?

Caddy - have another good year and I'll believe. Will go too early / late 2nd is too early?

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year / don't forget, Cle improved their OL this yr and theirs no one to steal Carries from him

 

[LBH]

Reasons to expect similar performance to 2006:

He was WR7 last year.

Reasons to expect that he could slip from last year:

He's young, and I don't see any significant reason to downgrade expectations from Buffalo's passing game. (Really, there's a guy named Marshawn Lynch that might change that.)

I dont think Lynch being in Buffalo will have any kind of negative impact on Evans. Buffalo also signed Walker and Dockery. While those guys arent studs, I think they do improve the OL there. Evans and Losman look to have great chemistry, and I dont see any reason for that not to continue. Despite the knock on Evans I seem to read all the time about his inconsistancies, the truth is that he was actually pretty reliable last year, especially the 2nd half of the season. Its my opinion that Evans is one of the best young WRs in the game just entering his prime now, and finally has some stability at QB

 

[Monty Burns]

Winslow, at least in the top 5 TE's, where I've seen him fairly often in drafts . As someone here described him, a 24 year old in a 34 year old body. Very high ceiling, but his floor isn't even a floor......more like a basement. I won't take that risk on him.

 

[Two Deep]

vick and anybody he attempts to throw to.

 

[Pipes]

So who are your players you're very unlikely if not totally against drafting no matter what (well within reason ie given a player will go about in a given range)?A few of mine:Maroney - don't trust healthWestbrook - likewiseMcNabb - likewise againBush - going too high for my tastes, McA takes away too many touchesVick - this POS simply cannot be on my teamPortis - see VickBenson - just not a believer, totally unprovenJacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw itJJ/Barber - likewise for DALAny HOU player - does this really need an explanation?Caddy - have another good year and I'll believe. Will go too earlyLewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year

What's wrong with Andre Johnson? If these are just a "few" of your guys you're going to be very limited on draft day.

 

[FavreCo]

So who are your players you're very unlikely if not totally against drafting no matter what (well within reason ie given a player will go about in a given range)?

A few of mine:

Maroney - don't trust health

Westbrook - likewise

McNabb - likewise again

Bush - going too high for my tastes, McA takes away too many touches

Vick - this POS simply cannot be on my team

Portis - see Vick

Benson - just not a believer, totally unproven

Jacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw it

JJ/Barber - likewise for DAL

Any HOU player - does this really need an explanation?

Caddy - have another good year and I'll believe. Will go too early

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year

Classic. Agree 100%.

 

[nygiants56]

So who are your players you're very unlikely if not totally against drafting no matter what (well within reason ie given a player will go about in a given range)?

A few of mine:

Maroney - don't trust health

Westbrook - likewise

McNabb - likewise again

Bush - going too high for my tastes, McA takes away too many touches

Vick - this POS simply cannot be on my team

Portis - see Vick

Benson - just not a believer, totally unproven

Jacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw it

JJ/Barber - likewise for DAL

Any HOU player - does this really need an explanation?

Caddy - have another good year and I'll believe. Will go too early

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year

<_< I disagree about Houston,however. A. Johnson is as steady a player as you'll see in the NFL, and led the league in receptions last season,with David Carr throwing to him. let that sink in for a moment..he caught 103 balls with David Carr throwing to him!! on a team that couldn't sustain drives, couldn't score, ranked 28th in Time of Possession, 28th in first downs, 28th in total offense.

Shaub, although unproven, HAS to be better than David Carr. I doubt he'll be any worse.

103 catches on a team that ranks 28th in time of possession, is an impressive statistic. Even if Shaub is marginally better than Carr, you still have to love AJs chances of being a top 10 WR in 2007..if that offense improves from 28th to ,say, 18th, you can expect AJ to be a HUGE part of that improvement!

others I'd add the this list as Overrated / overhyped players that I'll avoid:

Ben Watson - in now way will he catch anything NEAR the amount of balls he caught last season,not with Moss, Welker, Stallworth on the roster. Watson could only muster 49 catches and 3 tds last season, as the ONLY receiver that NE had , worth his salt..now, with Moss and Company, he'll be lucky to catch 35 balls in 2007.

Vince Young - might be a good QB, might be another Kordell Stewart. I'm not going to find out,either way..

Frank Gore - Just have this feeling that last season was the high water mark for this guy. He's one injury just waiting to happen,and without Norv Turner calling plays, I'm not sold the new OC will have Gore looking as good as he did last season.

Any Saints player - if EVER a team overachieved, it was N.O. last season. now they face a much tougher schedule. the won't sneak up on anyone. Teams have been studying ways of stopping Reggie Bush. He's no Marshall Faulk..great receiver, lousy ypc average.

Eli Manning - when the Giants begin losing, and the crowd begins to get on Eli, how will he respond? he doesn't have a thick skin, like Simms..he could implode when things don't go well.. Without Tiki Barber, this offense is doomed..

Vick - for obvious reasons, including him being an overrated QB..

Any Atlanta WR

any Tenn RB.

Kevin Jones - one injury after another with this guy. He is Robert Smith without the talent.

Chris Chambers - most overrated WR in the game.

Portis - Betts is going to play a major role in this offense in 2007..

Any Jags WR -they all have 'potential'.but thats just another word for 'never panned out'

 

[TheGreatest]

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year / don't forget, Cle improved their OL this yr and theirs no one to steal Carries from him

Actually I think J. Harrison will steal carries.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Portis - see Vick

Ummm

He supports Dog Fighting, too. yo.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year / don't forget, Cle improved their OL this yr and theirs no one to steal Carries from him

Actually I think J. Harrison will steal carries.

He might steal some 3rd and 5s, but when its 2nd and goal.. its all JL

 

[TheGreatest]

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year / don't forget, Cle improved their OL this yr and theirs no one to steal Carries from him

Actually I think J. Harrison will steal carries.

He might steal some 3rd and 5s, but when its 2nd and goal.. its all JL

Until he breaks a nail and has to go back on IR.

 

[Banger]

I probably won't end up with Benson, Maroney or Jacobs on any of my teams. I'm not as high on them as many and chances are someone will grab them before me.

 

[lions327]

In general, these kind of players we are discussing are lower in my rankings to begin with. I won't avoid anyone if they have good value based on my rankings. But there are certain players that I will have a lot lower than what most do. I guess you could say I won't draft them....because they will be gone before I would take them. We all can say we won't draft so and so...and because of the above, it's true. But I can guarantee if they fall to where I have them ranked, I will take them.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I don't avoid anyone, but these guys that are generally going before I want to take them:

Donovan McNabb

Vince Young

Matt Leinart

Frank Gore

Joseph Addai

Larry Fitzgerald

Darrell Jackson

Calvin Johnson

Antonio Gates

On the flip side, these guys are generally looking like SODs to me (which of course probably means you'll want to avoid them):

Matt Hasselbeck

Jay Cutler

Travis Henry

Fred Taylor

Terrell Owens

Randy Moss

D.J. Hackett

Jason Witten

L.J. Smith

 

[Bri]

Eli Manning - when the Giants begin losing, and the crowd begins to get on Eli, how will he respond? he doesn't have a thick skin, like Simms..he could implode when things don't go well.. Without Tiki Barber, this offense is doomed..

Eli has a don't care/no big deal sorta reaction to most probs. When he was drafted people stated as such too and made that into him not applying himself enough. He shrugged off precious few wins and 6? 5? TDs in almost as many games while his bro set the NFL on fire that first year when he replaced Warner. It got pretty bad and he was fine.Eli's prob IMO is a LBer or DE near him. Obviously that's a prob but I mean the guy really panicked during the second half of the season. His stats 2nd half vs 1st half are considerably different too. Not sure if he took a smack from someone and was scared or what but there was a big difference.

The G-men's offense has some excellent receiving options for Eli. Even Coughlin's O's with old Natrone and James Stewart were very good. I don't think the O is doomed at all.

 

[Bri]

Fred Taylor

Thoughts on him, Carlton? MJD worries me some.

 

[Bri]

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year / don't forget, Cle improved their OL this yr and theirs no one to steal Carries from him

Actually I think J. Harrison will steal carries.

Just last night via Roto or Blogger I was reading how Wright is the clear #2RB now. Ya might wanna look into that

 

[FavreCo]

Eli Manning - when the Giants begin losing, and the crowd begins to get on Eli, how will he respond? he doesn't have a thick skin, like Simms..he could implode when things don't go well.. Without Tiki Barber, this offense is doomed..

Eli has a don't care/no big deal sorta reaction to most probs. When he was drafted people stated as such too and made that into him not applying himself enough. He shrugged off precious few wins and 6? 5? TDs in almost as many games while his bro set the NFL on fire that first year when he replaced Warner. It got pretty bad and he was fine.Eli's prob IMO is a LBer or DE near him. Obviously that's a prob but I mean the guy really panicked during the second half of the season. His stats 2nd half vs 1st half are considerably different too. Not sure if he took a smack from someone and was scared or what but there was a big difference.

The G-men's offense has some excellent receiving options for Eli. Even Coughlin's O's with old Natrone and James Stewart were very good. I don't think the O is doomed at all.

The sissy is afraid to get hit and now almost exclusively throws off his back foot and starts to cringe at the 1st sign of a defensive player in his face. However, he will probably put up another 25 TD's.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I probably won't end up with Benson, Maroney or Jacobs on any of my teams. I'm not as high on them as many and chances are someone will grab them before me.

What?!? You not high on Benson....get outta here!

 

[Jayrod]

Tiki Barber

Cory Dillon

Drew Bledsoe

 

[BigRed]

I dont think you can go into any draft saying I'm not gonna take players x, y, z no matter what. If any of those players fall and become a value pick than you should go after them.

Ref. my orig post - bold-face for emphasis

So who are your players you're very unlikely if not totally against drafting no matter what (well within reason ie given a player will go about in a given range)?

 

[Obie Wan]

Reasons to expect similar performance to 2006:

He was WR7 last year.

Reasons to expect that he could slip from last year:

He's young, and I don't see any significant reason to downgrade expectations from Buffalo's passing game. (Really, there's a guy named Marshawn Lynch that might change that.)

Marshawn Lynch and an improved running game that improves from #31 in teh league in 3rd down conversions will result in the offense keeping drives alive and many more opportunities for Evans, including a more effective play action deep game.

 

[BigRed]

I agree with you about half the guys. The other half I think are guys I'll be targeting because I think their relative ppg value has been driven to all time lows and they should easily exceed their ADP. Granted, I'm only referring to ppr leagues. By saying you don't want anyone of these guys on your team, you should be saying that I won't have any of these guys on my team given their CURRENT ADP. Comments below in bold.

Maroney - don't trust health - Health not a concern, just his current ADP which is too high.

Westbrook - likewise - PPR stud. Passed him up for Jordan last year at 1.08. Won't make same mistake again.

McNabb - likewise again - Terrific QB value right now. Unfortunately, they still go way too early in ppr leagues, so I'll never see him. On a ppg basis, he's great. Just get a decent backup.

Bush - going too high for my tastes, McA takes away too many touches - Agree.

Vick - this POS simply cannot be on my team - Terrific best ball QB. When you got to select the starter, he can be unreliable. Potential suspension coming.

Portis - see Vick - Don't see the correlation. Portis will be on a lot of championship teams this year. Very underrated.

Benson - just not a believer, totally unproven - Agree, especially in ppr leagues. Depends on his pre-draft ADP but I think it's going to be too high.

Jacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw it - Don't like any Giant RB in ppr leagues but Bradshaw might not be a bad late round shot.

JJ/Barber - likewise for DAL - TD only league = Barber but this situation is a mess. All depends on where each of them falls.

Any HOU player - does this really need an explanation? - Never rule out anyone. Every person has value given where they need to be drafted.

Caddy - have another good year and I'll believe. Will go too early - BS. He's going in the 4th round. He's a steal there.

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year. Agree

Good overall post but re. Caddy I call BS on your BS. He was pathetic last year and I don't see enough diff on that O to expect a change. At the very least, he hasn't proven himself at all reliable generally.PS I should have mentioned, was looking at this from redraft and non-PPR angle (although PPR I don't think would have changed my opinion all that much for most)

 

[Bri]

Good overall post but re. Caddy I call BS on your BS. He was pathetic last year and I don't see enough diff on that O to expect a change. At the very least, he hasn't proven himself at all reliable generally.

New QB GarciaNew LT In PettiGUT, more streetfighter than prototypical T but he's goodIIRC:New G in draft, other G battles for C now(good competition), Davin Joseph not a rookie which is a big deal for Gswhat more change did you want for Caddy?

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Off the top of my head, Portis is pretty much the only one I'm completely avoiding. I'll avoid LJ too, but if he falls a good bit (more than he's likely to) I'd take him.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Nobody is "Untouchable", if they present value at a specific pick I will take them

 

[BroadwayG]

McGahee

Any Oakland offensive player

Benson

Any Minnesota offensive player