Your "Untouchables" (1 Viewer)

[potato]

Walter Payton

 

[-OZ-]

[obligatory]Don't "avoid" players, just don't draft at their ADP[/obligatory]

Larry Johnson

Michael Vick

Larry Fitzgerald (GREAT player, but will go higher than I like)

Caddy

Benson

Jerome Bettis

Barry Sanders

Rod Smith

Brandon Jacobs

Frank Gore

 

[BigRed]

New QB GarciaNew LT In PettiGUT, more streetfighter than prototypical T but he's goodIIRC:New G in draft, other G battles for C now(good competition), Davin Joseph not a rookie which is a big deal for Gswhat more change did you want for Caddy?

Something a lot more substantial than these guys that makes me think Caddy will improve dramatically from about 800/1. Just going too high for me -

 

[SSOG]

Vick - for obvious reasons, including him being an overrated QB..

What have Vick's ADPs been for the last 3 years? What have his season-ending ranks been for the last 3 years? He may be an overrated QB (although I think if everyone in the world calls him overrated, he's not really overrated anymore, he's a PREVIOUSLY overrated QB), but Vick has been a dramatically UNDERRATED fantasy QB for years now.Not saying he will be this year. I really don't know what to expect with this whole dogfighting thing yet. If not for that, I would probably wind up with Vick on most of my teams this year.

 

[Bri]

New QB GarciaNew LT In PettiGUT, more streetfighter than prototypical T but he's goodIIRC:New G in draft, other G battles for C now(good competition), Davin Joseph not a rookie which is a big deal for Gswhat more change did you want for Caddy?

Something a lot more substantial than these guys that makes me think Caddy will improve dramatically from about 800/1. Just going too high for me -

Really? Hmmm I'm just the opposite. I wanted a QB that doesn't nec have to be great but isn't a liability Ds don't worry about and some work on the OL.It'll be interesting how this pans out, thanks for the reply

 

[Buckna]

So who are your players you're very unlikely if not totally against drafting no matter what (well within reason ie given a player will go about in a given range)?

A few of mine:

Maroney - don't trust health

Westbrook - likewise

McNabb - likewise again

Bush - going too high for my tastes, McA takes away too many touches

Vick - this POS simply cannot be on my team

Portis - see Vick

Benson - just not a believer, totally unproven

Jacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw it

JJ/Barber - likewise for DAL

Any HOU player - does this really need an explanation?

Caddy - have another good year and I'll believe. Will go too early

Lewis - even w/that great BAL OL he only had one huge year. With CLE...Thomas and Quinn are all well and fine, but don't hold your breath about a huge turnaround this year

I disagree about Houston,however. A. Johnson is as steady a player as you'll see in the NFL, and led the league in receptions last season,with David Carr throwing to him. let that sink in for a moment..he caught 103 balls with David Carr throwing to him!! on a team that couldn't sustain drives, couldn't score, ranked 28th in Time of Possession, 28th in first downs, 28th in total offense.

Shaub, although unproven, HAS to be better than David Carr. I doubt he'll be any worse.

103 catches on a team that ranks 28th in time of possession, is an impressive statistic. Even if Shaub is marginally better than Carr, you still have to love AJs chances of being a top 10 WR in 2007..if that offense improves from 28th to ,say, 18th, you can expect AJ to be a HUGE part of that improvement!

Depending on his ADP (I'm guessing somewhere between round 4-6), Ahman Green could be very good value this year as well. Assuming he's healthy, he should be able to at least duplicate the stats he had in GB last year when he was RB 15 and with no real WR2 on the team, he might pull in a boatload of receptions. For this reason, I think Owen Daniels is a great sleeper candidate at TE as well.

 

[-OZ-]

Vick - for obvious reasons, including him being an overrated QB..

What have Vick's ADPs been for the last 3 years? What have his season-ending ranks been for the last 3 years? He may be an overrated QB (although I think if everyone in the world calls him overrated, he's not really overrated anymore, he's a PREVIOUSLY overrated QB), but Vick has been a dramatically UNDERRATED fantasy QB for years now.Not saying he will be this year. I really don't know what to expect with this whole dogfighting thing yet. If not for that, I would probably wind up with Vick on most of my teams this year.

Completely agreed, which is why i acquired Vick in one league a few months back. This dogfighting scandal scares me away from him now. Although, if he drops enough because of it, I'll take the risk while others draft the Jeff Garcias.

 

[Bossman]

vick and anybody he attempts to throw to.

well said.any WR in ATL might as well be an offensive lineman as far as my draft board goes.

 

[SSOG]

vick and anybody he attempts to throw to.

well said.any WR in ATL might as well be an offensive lineman as far as my draft board goes.

Alge Crumpler down? Sure, he may not be a WR, but Vick attempts to throw to him a whole lot, and he has a pretty solid history of fantasy value.

 

[dparker713]

RMoss - if figure he's good to be in the dog house by week 6 at the latest

Benson - he'll wind up mid second at worst, and he's just not a dynamic force you can base an effective offensive around

LJ - too many carries

Brady - the offseason signings have peolpe projecting him with a career year

Winslow - health is always a concern, plus he's a jack###

 

[Clayton Gray]

Fred Taylor

Thoughts on him, Carlton? MJD worries me some.

Jones-Drew seems to be worrying everyone with regards to Taylor. There's enough ground game available in Jacksonville for both players to be viable starting RBs. Taylor has been going in late sixth / early seventh, which seems to be an excellent value.

 

[Bossman]

vick and anybody he attempts to throw to.

well said.any WR in ATL might as well be an offensive lineman as far as my draft board goes.

Alge Crumpler down? Sure, he may not be a WR, but Vick attempts to throw to him a whole lot, and he has a pretty solid history of fantasy value.

I think Vick may need that corective laser eye surgery....because he doesn't seem to be able to see anyone down the field deeper than his TE.... and when the TE isn't open it's "Run Forest, Run!!!"

 

[Billy1x]

Jacobs - does anyone really trust the NY RB situation as far as they can throw it

Probably trust them quite a bit more than I could throw them.

He is on my do not draft list. Everybody will be going for his knees. He's to big to tackle any other way and that will likely get him injured. Just to high a risk for a #1 or #2 back.

 

[Billy1x]

Gore in the top 7 or 8. To much risk of him repeating without Norv Turner. He likely will go much earlier than I have him rated.

 

[LawFitz]

Rd 1

Larry Johnson (RB KC)

Frank Gore (RB SF)

Shaun Alexander (RB SEA)

Brian Westbrook (RB PHI)

Ronnie Brown (RB MIA)

Rd 2

Clinton Portis (RB WAS)

Laurence Maroney (RB NE)

Cedric Benson (RB CHI)

Later Rds

Ahman Green (RB HOU)

Randy Moss (WR NE)

Cadillac Williams (RB TB)

Fred Taylor (RB JAC)

Warrick Dunn (RB ATL)

Jamal Lewis (RB CLE)

Various reasons, but I will generally be avoiding these names this year.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Rd 1

Larry Johnson (RB KC)

Frank Gore (RB SF)

Shaun Alexander (RB SEA)

Brian Westbrook (RB PHI)

Ronnie Brown (RB MIA)

Rd 2

Clinton Portis (RB WAS)

Laurence Maroney (RB NE)

Cedric Benson (RB CHI)

Later Rds

Ahman Green (RB HOU)

Randy Moss (WR NE)

Cadillac Williams (RB TB)

Fred Taylor (RB JAC)

Warrick Dunn (RB ATL)

Jamal Lewis (RB CLE)

Various reasons, but I will generally be avoiding these names this year.

 

[Duke1948]

Rd 1Larry Johnson (RB KC) Frank Gore (RB SF) Shaun Alexander (RB SEA) Brian Westbrook (RB PHI) Ronnie Brown (RB MIA)Rd 2 Clinton Portis (RB WAS) Laurence Maroney (RB NE) Cedric Benson (RB CHI)Later RdsAhman Green (RB HOU)Randy Moss (WR NE) Cadillac Williams (RB TB)Fred Taylor (RB JAC)Warrick Dunn (RB ATL)Jamal Lewis (RB CLE)Various reasons, but I will generally be avoiding these names this year.

better hope you draft in the right spot.....that's a pretty deep list, but good luck.

 

[H.K.]

There are two that simply do not belong on any roster at any cost or draft slot:

Brandon Jacobs - touched on a million times in this thread, an obvious choice, but there are still those who actually think he will get enough touches to have value...simply not the case.

Javon Walker - Single most over ranked WR in the history of FF this season. He would have to catch 70% of passes thrown his way by Cutler to justify his current ADP this year. He'll struggle to be a servicable WR3 in PPR leagues.

 

[-OZ-]

There are two that simply do not belong on any roster at any cost or draft slot:

Javon Walker - Single most over ranked WR in the history of FF this season. He would have to catch 70% of passes thrown his way by Cutler to justify his current ADP this year. He'll struggle to be a servicable WR3 in PPR leagues.

Yea! Another post where HK blasts Javon Walker!The crow is marinating. It will start cooking week 1, ready to eat whenever you're hungry.

 

[lions327]

There are two that simply do not belong on any roster at any cost or draft slot:

Brandon Jacobs - touched on a million times in this thread, an obvious choice, but there are still those who actually think he will get enough touches to have value...simply not the case.

Javon Walker - Single most over ranked WR in the history of FF this season. He would have to catch 70% of passes thrown his way by Cutler to justify his current ADP this year. He'll struggle to be a servicable WR3 in PPR leagues.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Bri]

vick and anybody he attempts to throw to.

well said.any WR in ATL might as well be an offensive lineman as far as my draft board goes.

Petrino seems like he's putting some fire into that offense...least it reads that way.

 

[Bri]

in the history of FF this season.

 

[SSOG]

There are two that simply do not belong on any roster at any cost or draft slot:...Javon Walker - Single most over ranked WR in the history of FF this season. He would have to catch 70% of passes thrown his way by Cutler to justify his current ADP this year. He'll struggle to be a servicable WR3 in PPR leagues.

Even if you think he's barely a top-30 WR, how does that mean he doesn't belong on any roster at any cost or any draft slot? What if Walker is sitting around in the 22nd round, wouldn't you draft him?I'm not even going to refute your claims here, since that'd just be feeding the troll. Maybe people would take you seriously if you didn't exaggerate every single point you ever wanted to make until it was completely meaningless. If you think Walker is overrated, then just say that he's overrated, not that he's going to struggle to even be a top-36 WR (when he hasn't ranked lower than 21st since his rookie season). As it stands, I really don't think anyone takes you seriously anymore.

 

[rock753]

There are two that simply do not belong on any roster at any cost or draft slot:Brandon Jacobs - touched on a million times in this thread, an obvious choice, but there are still those who actually think he will get enough touches to have value...simply not the case.Javon Walker - Single most over ranked WR in the history of FF this season. He would have to catch 70% of passes thrown his way by Cutler to justify his current ADP this year. He'll struggle to be a servicable WR3 in PPR leagues.

Walker will be a top 10 this year, I put my rep on it. Caling him a WR3 is a joke.

 

[H.K.]

I'm not even going to refute your claims here, since that'd just be feeding the troll. Maybe people would take you seriously if you didn't exaggerate every single point you ever wanted to make until it was completely meaningless. If you think Walker is overrated, then just say that he's overrated, not that he's going to struggle to even be a top-36 WR (when he hasn't ranked lower than 21st since his rookie season). As it stands, I really don't think anyone takes you seriously anymore.

Ron Dayne down? Shanihan not an RBBC coach down? Where is your "Denver is like Tecmo Bowl, plug in RB1 and get a Top 10 back" sig?You questioning my credibility on anything, particularly involving the Broncos, only serves as validation that I am correct.

 

[lions327]

I'm not even going to refute your claims here, since that'd just be feeding the troll. Maybe people would take you seriously if you didn't exaggerate every single point you ever wanted to make until it was completely meaningless. If you think Walker is overrated, then just say that he's overrated, not that he's going to struggle to even be a top-36 WR (when he hasn't ranked lower than 21st since his rookie season). As it stands, I really don't think anyone takes you seriously anymore.

Ron Dayne down? Shanihan not an RBBC coach down? Where is your "Denver is like Tecmo Bowl, plug in RB1 and get a Top 10 back" sig?You questioning my credibility on anything, particularly involving the Broncos, only serves as validation that I am correct.

Frankly, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't automatically mean they question your credibility. You think we all have to agree with each other? I am also not a real big Walker fan, but to say he is not even a WR3 is ridiculous, and regardless of my opinion of a player, there is ALWAYS a point where I will take someone, even if I don't like them.I think you are coming across as arrogant and as someone who never thinks they are wrong.

 

[SSOG]

I'm not even going to refute your claims here, since that'd just be feeding the troll. Maybe people would take you seriously if you didn't exaggerate every single point you ever wanted to make until it was completely meaningless. If you think Walker is overrated, then just say that he's overrated, not that he's going to struggle to even be a top-36 WR (when he hasn't ranked lower than 21st since his rookie season). As it stands, I really don't think anyone takes you seriously anymore.

Ron Dayne down? Shanihan not an RBBC coach down? Where is your "Denver is like Tecmo Bowl, plug in RB1 and get a Top 10 back" sig?You questioning my credibility on anything, particularly involving the Broncos, only serves as validation that I am correct.

Having *my* credibility questioned by H.K. is something of a joke. Me disagreeing with you hasn't validated your schtick in the past, so I don't know why it would suddenly start now.We all have hits and misses, and anyone who pretends otherwise is full of it or trying to sell you something. All we can expect to do is make honest evaluations to the best of our ability, not make ludicrous statements with absolutely no support and exaggerate everything past the point of meaningfulness. That's what's known as schtick, and as far as I'm concerned, you're the king of it.

 

[Sleeper 43]

I normally blackball 1-4 RB's but 10 or 11? I think your being a little picky, I mean technically everyone has a concern or two.

 

[H.K.]

That's what's known as schtick, and as far as I'm concerned, you're the king of it.

Thanks! How do you think Travis Henry will do this year? FBG expects virtually nothing out of him in the receiving game (15 recepts from the last vbd run I saw)...

 

[H.K.]

I think you are coming across as arrogant and as someone who never thinks they are wrong.

There was a famous athlete (can't remember who) that once said "It ain't bragging if you can do it".

 

[duaneok66]

the Shark Pool . . . my home away from home . . . ya gotta love it!

 

[Biabreakable]

Not the 1st time I have considered not touching a BR thread.

I thought a untouchable was a player once rostered you would not consider trading away.

 

[Biabreakable]

There are two that simply do not belong on any roster at any cost or draft slot:

Javon Walker - Single most over ranked WR in the history of FF this season. He would have to catch 70% of passes thrown his way by Cutler to justify his current ADP this year. He'll struggle to be a servicable WR3 in PPR leagues.

Yea! Another post where HK blasts Javon Walker!The crow is marinating. It will start cooking week 1, ready to eat whenever you're hungry.

I think H.K. likes his with onions.

 

[videoguy505]

at anyone even considering HK isn't all schtick.

My list: Eli Manning and Plaxico Burress. Just not worth it.

 

[BigRed]

Not the 1st time I have considered not touching a BR thread.

Now look this aint