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That's absurd.  They should be apologizing to you guys for screwing up and wasting your time...not getting credit for a win against you.
Looks like things are working out, seems like there was a mix up and a coach of another of our teams was contacted who then sent a text to a club official who missed it. So they are working to get it rescheduled and it won't be a forfeit.

 
Rough few months for my daughter's soccer team.

In their only tournament of the fall, my daughter got hit in the face by the ball.  Didn't seem like it hit her especially hard, but she immediately lost vision in a fairly large portion of the middle of her eye.  For the first six weeks or so, doctor's didn't know if she'd recover enough vision to play again.  Finally started getting substantially better around the end of the year.  At this point, there's still some loss of vision, but it's a smaller area and not completely dark.  As long as both eyes are open she can see ok and is playing again.

Meanwhile, in the past month, three of the best players on her travel team have broken bones and are out for the season, leaving the team with only 13 players.  They had the first two games of the season this weekend.  Playing with subs on Friday, they got pretty badly outplayed, but still managed a 1-0 win.  Yesterday, playing with no subs, they played much better, but lost 2-1 in a game with torrential downpours in for the last 20 minutes or so, until it was called a few minutes early because of lightning.
Geesh, that would be a rough couple of years let alone a couple months. Glad your daughter is doing better, that is a scary injury. Bones heal, ligaments can be fixed mostly but scary stuff when vision is affected. Good to hear she is back out competing, best of luck.

 
First game is this weekend.  Many of the players have U14 team practice on MWF.  The High School coach has set up a time for kids(8th to 12th grade) to play pick up games on TR immediately after school.  Small fields(3v3), small goals.  He watches and times the games for about 18-24 boys.

 
Good weekend, draw on Saturday at noon against a good Boston Bolts ECNL team then had to drive an hour and a half to play a State Cup game at 5:00. Won that game 2-0 but honestly not their best effort, it was a team they have handled easy in the past and they let them hang around through the first half (0-0) before putting them away. Sunday coach challenged them to come out and put the game away early and they responded scoring 3 in the first half and finishing 4-0 against FC Stars in another ECNL game. They are just one spot out of playoff qualification for ECNL but have already played 4 of the top 5 teams so hopefully they can rack up the points going forward.

Quick snip of my son with the header to intercept the pass and then some good movement. This was late in the first half up 3-0 and they were looking to possess and look for their opportunities. https://youtu.be/FzLkSFz8Ec4

 
Geesh, that would be a rough couple of years let alone a couple months. Glad your daughter is doing better, that is a scary injury. Bones heal, ligaments can be fixed mostly but scary stuff when vision is affected. Good to hear she is back out competing, best of luck.
Thanks!  Minor sprained ankle for my daughter and a more serious one for a teammate this weekend, but no games for a few weeks, so plenty of time to recover.  They had one of the weirder games I've seen - a 3-0 win with two goals rolling between the legs of the opposing goalie, and the second straight week where there was hail falling for a portion of the game.  

 
Boys stayed on a roll with a 2-0 win on Saturday in EDP play. Since January the are 11 wins, 3 losses and 2 draws, 39 goals scored and 13 allowed with 8 clean sheets. They have only allowed multiple goals in two games. Big next few weeks coming up, this Saturday we take on the team we are tied with for first in EDP then the week after we have a weeknight State Cup quarterfinal game then the weekend we travel to Staten Island and Orangetown NY for a pair of ECNL games including the first place team.

My son just missed his first goal of the year Saturday, he was hanging around just outside the box after a corner and one timed a pass past a diving keeper that hit the post, needed to be a few inches more to the inside.

 
Anybody’s daughter play in Girl’s Academy League and headed to the showcase in Greensboro this weekend?  
I think @zoobirdhas a daughter but not sure at what level of play. I think most of the rest that have commented so far in the thread have sons playing but all are welcome.  Interested where does the Girl's Academy League fit in the hierarchy? Is it sort of the girls version of MLS Next risen from the ashes of the old USYS Development Academy program?

 
I think @zoobirdhas a daughter but not sure at what level of play. I think most of the rest that have commented so far in the thread have sons playing but all are welcome.  Interested where does the Girl's Academy League fit in the hierarchy? Is it sort of the girls version of MLS Next risen from the ashes of the old USYS Development Academy program?
My daughter isn't playing at that level.  Her team plays in EDP (and not the highest EDP level).

 
I think @zoobirdhas a daughter but not sure at what level of play. I think most of the rest that have commented so far in the thread have sons playing but all are welcome.  Interested where does the Girl's Academy League fit in the hierarchy? Is it sort of the girls version of MLS Next risen from the ashes of the old USYS Development Academy program?
Yep, think that’s essentially it, girls version of MLS next, set up to compete/parallel ECNL. It’s our clubs first year in it and are doing fairly well in our league games and also against ECNL teams in tournaments etc.  Fun to see girls play against some really good players from all over the country. 

 
5-0 win Saturday to take over first place in EDP, up two points but the second place team has a game in hand so going to be a tight race. Uneventful game for my son, played well and got forward when called upon but pretty calm game for the defense overall.

Clip of one of our goals, this kids balance and refusal to be denied is awesome, the celebration is pretty sweet as well.

https://youtu.be/J-PzU82kq9U

 
Busy extended week last week.

Tuesday night - Second night of tryouts for the 2022/23 season. While I felt my son had played well enough to keep his spot with almost 40 kids interested in the team it is still always a worry. He got his offer email so that was a relief.

Thursday night - State Cup quarterfinal away game. Some gamesmanship from the other team for sure, 8:30pm game that was over an hour drive and then instead of playing on the stadium field they put the game on an auxiliary field that had to be close to the minimum size especially in width. Our team is very athletic and prefers to spread things out and use their speed and quickness. Also a bunch of the kids on that team went to the school where the game was being played, apparently they had circulated word for students to come out in support. While it made a somewhat hostile atmosphere I actually liked that and thought it was good for our kids to experience. We score less then 5 minutes on a header off a corner and seemed to be off to the races. But they buckled down and it was a tough, extremely physical game the rest of the way. We ended up with the 1-0 win. With the no reentry for State Cup my son ended up the last man on the bench in case they needed a late sub for injury but he said it was a fun game to watch anyway since it was so intense.

Saturday - Drove to Staten Island for ECNL game one of the weekend. Boys started a little slow and went down 1-0 even though they had been the better team. But just before half they got the equalizer and then score twice more after the half to go up 3-1 before giving up a late goal and getting the 3-2 win. My son brought nice energy with some good defense in the first half and played wing in the second half. While not directly involved in the goals he is getting better at wing on taking good runs at angles and timing them. As I told him he might prefer to play outside back but if it gets him on the field more and he can contribute good minutes at wing it makes him more valuable.

Sunday - played about 45 minutes northwest of NYC at one of the nicest club facilities I've ever been to. 3 full size and two small sided turf fields, all lit and with the clubs logo at midfield. Building with snack stand, team store, locker room and I assume meeting rooms/offices upstairs. Oh and across the street from NYCFC's training facility. The team we were playing is in first place and I can see why.  Really good team with a very good true striker upfront. Oh and they even scouted our game the day before. Took it on the chin 3-0 but hopefully a learning experience, so far every time these boys have taken a loss like that they have worked harder and used it to get better.  

Still one spot back from qualifying for ECNL nationals but we still play both teams just in front of us.  Semi-Final for State Cup on Saturday and an EDP game Sunday this week.

 
Quick update. State Cup semi-final game that was supposed to be a couple Saturday's ago got moved to Thursday night. Wow what a game. Warning long recap but it was a long game.

Played one of the consistently best 06 teams in the region over the past few years. They've lost a couple top players this past year to the Union and Timber academies but they are still solid top to bottom. They open the scoring about 15 minutes in on an absolute blast. Our boys hang tough and keep battling and finally in about the 35th minute with our subs up front we get a steal deep in their end and a perfect pass to the right wing who knocks it in to tie it up at one.  Second half is just good hard soccer by both sides trading attacks and good defense until about 15 minutes to go when our top scorer who was on a yellow from a poorly timed tackle in the first half makes a tackle on the far side sort of from the side and picks up a second yellow. It was a 50/50 call in everyone's opinion but not the type you want in a game being played to this level.  We go into defensive mode down a man and mange to run out regulation. Two 15 minute overtimes, no golden goal is the state cup rule.  Let me mention we don't have our coach, his wife decided to have baby earlier in the day so we have the 07 coach who knows our boys somewhat as we practice at the same time and often scrimmage but still he isn't with them every day.  We start OT period one with our subs in (These games are limited sub so once you come out in a half you are don until the next half) in what was a brilliant move. My son, normally an outside back/wing is at striker with the sole purpose of running around like crazy harassing them when they try and work into attack from the back. They have us down a man but they kept the starters on and don't seem to be in a hurry to try and press us. Key starters got a breather and come back on about 10 minutes in to OT and we run out the first OT period. Second OT period and oddly they still don't seem to be aggressive up a man. It's obvious we just want the game to get to PK's. Finally the last 7 or 8 minutes they started attacking more, our defense and keeper play masterful and we send it to PK's. I'm taking pictures standing next to another parent as this gets ready to start and I said "no way this only goes 5 PKs". Well I was correct. Each keeper makes one save in the first 5 so we move on to sudden death. We make, they make (off our keepers hands he just couldn't hold on). We hit the crossbar, they hit it wide right. We make, they make. We make, they miss wide left. The boys go wild. Our U15 and U13 teams who were there watching storm the field to chase our boys running around. 5 minutes later the lights go out, the school had them on a timer. One of the best played games by both teams I have ever watched. I don't understand why they didn't attack more in OT and they hardly subbed at all in OT so they were gassed.  State Cup final game this Saturday. As a club our U13, U16 and U17 boys are all in the finals this weekend. U14 and U15 made the semi-finals and the U18 boys start their State tournament tomorrow night.

Unfortunately for our ECNL games in Connecticut this past weekend playing 110 minutes of soccer, PK's and all the emotions on Thursday night then a 4 hour drive Saturday showed and they looked a step slow to everything and just drained losing 2-0 to a team they beat 9 times out of 10. Sunday they played better and looked to be headed to a 1-1 draw until a late call resulted in a free kick and the kid hit an absolute banger near post upper 90. ECNL playoffs look like a longshot now but a win Saturday would get them an automatic bid to the USYS regionals and a chance to lift a cup.

 
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I caved and took my son to a tryout for the 2013 birth year (U10?) squad at the closest club to my house here in Baltimore city.  The tryout is 2 days, so he'll go back on Thursday.

Observations:

- About 100 boys in this birth year were there trying out.  I have no idea how well thought of this club is, but the demand for club soccer is strong.

- Some of these kids are really good! Obviously they've been drilling and practicing technique for years.  Covid didn't slow them down... I saw a 7 year old do a Cruyff turn in a scrimmage.  Crazy. 

- I have never seen so many white boys in one place in Baltimore city.  This city is 60+% black and it was like 5% of the kids at this tryout. So many nice SUVs in the parking lot.  My kids are in city public schools and their school is the exact opposite demographics as this group.

- My son is decidedly middle of the pack IMO. He's got some speed and a decent left foot. Scored 2 goals in their short sided scrimmage time, which was the majority of the 1.5 hour session.   He's not aggressive enough though and doesn't mix it up enough and track back on D.  He stands around too much waiting for the play to come to him. 

- Head coach asked him his name at the end of the tryout, so that's good I think.  I don't think he'll make the team though unless they have 4 levels or something. 

- My son got slide tackled (cleanly, BTW) when he had a good look at the net. He got up with a WTF just happened look on his face.  I asked him about it and he said that as he was going down, he stepped on the other kid's face, who whined to the coach that it should be a red card.  The coach said, "if you slide tackle, you gotta be prepared to pay the price." #truth

 
Is soccer on the decline? Or just not that big in the Chicago area? 

Our son has done football, basketball and now soccer this year. Our daughter did basketball and volleyball. By far the least interest in all the sports has been soccer. 

Football was 3rd/4th grade and had about 40 boys on the team. 

Basketball was just third grade, his grade had higher turn out so there were three teams and about 28 or so boys total. 

My daughters 5th grade basketball had about 20 girls on two teams, her volleyball had about a dozen girls. 

So soccer... 3rd and 4th grade combined and there is 14 boys. Further, apparently they almost didn't have a season because other schools didn't have enough kids for teams. I guess they scrounged up enough but the season is over now with my kids team going 5-0-1. Certainly a lot less teams that any of the other sports. 

I have never liked soccer, it was just not my thing, but growing up a lot of my friends were into soccer a lot (late 80's basically) and it seemed like a sport growing more and more in the states. I am just curious as to what seems like less interest and I have no idea if that is a thing in general or maybe the area or maybe some other explanation. 

 
- Head coach asked him his name at the end of the tryout, so that's good I think.  I don't think he'll make the team though unless they have 4 levels or something. 
Not unusual for bigger clubs to have 2 or 3 teams at younger age groups like that. They are looking to develop talent for the older teams which have bigger rosters then the young groups.  Good Luck !!

 
My youngest son (2007) got a red card a few games ago. He’s a very good center back, but got beaten by a long ball and speedy striker. He shoulder decked the kid just outside the 18 to save a sure goal. Nothing dirty, but warranted a red. I talked to him afterward and he hopefully learned two things:

1. your team was down two goals with about 5 minutes to go. This was not a chance at a tie or win and NOT a good foul due to it being red. Next time dont take him out but try to alter his shot or whatever.

2. That team had been trying the bomb shot breakaways all game. You knew it was coming, so be prepared.

 
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My youngest son (2007) got a red card a few games ago. He’s a very good center back, but got beaten by a long ball and speedy striker. He shoulder decked the kid just outside the 18 to save a sure goal. Nothing dirty, but warranted a red. I talked to him afterward and he hopefully learned two things:

1. your team was down two goals with about 5 minutes to go. This was not a chance at a tie or win and NOT a good foul due to it being red. Next time dont take him out but try to alter his shot or whatever.

2. That team had been trying the bomb shot breakaways all game. You knew it was coming, so be prepared.
Good learning experience.

 
 son (2007) got a red card
Is that common in boys soccer?  I've never seen a red card issued and only a couple of yellow cards in 6 years of 2007 girls soccer.  Pretty sure it would take an actual punch being thrown for a red card.

 
Is that common in boys soccer?  I've never seen a red card issued and only a couple of yellow cards in 6 years of 2007 girls soccer.  Pretty sure it would take an actual punch being thrown for a red card.
My son's a 2006 and straight red, not that often. I think I have seen about 4 over the years. We had a kid get one similar circumstance to @Jobber a few weeks ago. Down 3-0 late in the game the keeper came out on a breakaway and the kid flicked it around him, mid fielder trailing from behind made a play on them that might work 5% of the time and tripped him. Automatic red. Seen that same call when we've had the break away and at least one for a punch being thrown.  Much more common is the two yellows equal a red, usually one is something dumb but then if you don't play a little cautious the refs are sometimes looking for you.  Doesn't happen a ton but 3 or 4 times a year.

 
Yep straight reds are rare, and only for cleats up dangerous ankle-breaker type tackles, fighting, or swearing at a referee. The other circumstance is the one my kid got because the attacker clearly had a high probability of a goal and warranted a red for knocking him over and not going for the ball.

 
Is soccer on the decline? Or just not that big in the Chicago area? 

Our son has done football, basketball and now soccer this year. Our daughter did basketball and volleyball. By far the least interest in all the sports has been soccer. 

Football was 3rd/4th grade and had about 40 boys on the team. 

Basketball was just third grade, his grade had higher turn out so there were three teams and about 28 or so boys total. 

My daughters 5th grade basketball had about 20 girls on two teams, her volleyball had about a dozen girls. 

So soccer... 3rd and 4th grade combined and there is 14 boys. Further, apparently they almost didn't have a season because other schools didn't have enough kids for teams. I guess they scrounged up enough but the season is over now with my kids team going 5-0-1. Certainly a lot less teams that any of the other sports. 

I have never liked soccer, it was just not my thing, but growing up a lot of my friends were into soccer a lot (late 80's basically) and it seemed like a sport growing more and more in the states. I am just curious as to what seems like less interest and I have no idea if that is a thing in general or maybe the area or maybe some other explanation. 


so your concept of the sport in general decline is not many kids on your kids' elementary school team? :lol:

ok... I'll bite.

at a guess, lower level rec soccer and something like 3rd grade soccer might be on a decline. I'd bet that the kids who actually play the sport aren't bothering with elementary school soccer because the quality of play and coaching is low and it likely interferes with their club team schedule. the club soccer kids might even be playing other school sports instead just to mix it up.

with the pro game leaking down into the youth game with pro academies in place all over the country for kids- I think the game has become less "send the kids out for something to do by the soccer-moms" and more, my kid has genuine ability and might go pro some day. 

I'll leave it to the boots on the ground guys in here, but I think the youth game has become much more serious and stratified. where non-athlete or non-serious kids might have kept playing into or past middle school, I have a sense the level ramps up so much the bottom end might have fallen away a bit.

soccer on the decline in general is categorically wrong across pretty much every metric (besides your dislike of the sport).

average wage of MLS guys is now pro-athlete levels instead of working at the hardware store levels, and kids are routinely bypassing the old route of college ball to go straight to the pros here in the US and abroad. tv rights are setting records, as are intro costs to buy into the league and overseas ownership. the sport is on TV and internet 24/7and I would guess more kids play the sport- as it was in the 80s- than any other sport. IIRC more kids played back then than baseball and football combined. 

 
Is soccer on the decline? Or just not that big in the Chicago area? 

Our son has done football, basketball and now soccer this year. Our daughter did basketball and volleyball. By far the least interest in all the sports has been soccer. 

Football was 3rd/4th grade and had about 40 boys on the team. 

Basketball was just third grade, his grade had higher turn out so there were three teams and about 28 or so boys total. 

My daughters 5th grade basketball had about 20 girls on two teams, her volleyball had about a dozen girls. 

So soccer... 3rd and 4th grade combined and there is 14 boys. Further, apparently they almost didn't have a season because other schools didn't have enough kids for teams. I guess they scrounged up enough but the season is over now with my kids team going 5-0-1. Certainly a lot less teams that any of the other sports. 

I have never liked soccer, it was just not my thing, but growing up a lot of my friends were into soccer a lot (late 80's basically) and it seemed like a sport growing more and more in the states. I am just curious as to what seems like less interest and I have no idea if that is a thing in general or maybe the area or maybe some other explanation. 
I'll chime in as well.  One the Midwest is probably the weakest region in general for youth soccer as far as quality of play (although Chicago does have some clubs that is strong on the national level). I'm guessing part of that is that it isn't as popular there as the rest of the country at the youth level in general.

But back here in the Northeast it is definitely strong even at the entry club/rec level. I do agree with @El Floppothat once you hit U13 (6th/7th grade) you do see a drop off in numbers because that is moving to a full size field, 11v11 and it tends to get a little more serious. I can say as a former President of our local baseball organization that the same is true in baseball. At U13 when you moved up to a full size field your kids whose parents made them play tend to drop off and your kids that take the sport serious are looking at travel or at least legion ball and it was tough to get enough kids for a team in the county rec league. Basketball I think because it takes less kids for a team they seem to hold on until high school.  I can't really speak to football, my sons school doesn't even have football except as a co-op with another school and on the youth side the only kids that went there were more your non-athlete I'm bigger then every one else types. Around us the majority of kids that play youth sports (say under 6th grade) play soccer in the fall, basketball or wrestle in the winter and baseball/softball in the spring. There are outliers but I'd say 75% do at least two out of the three and most all three.

The sports that has seen the drop-off by us is baseball. As I said I was on the board for like 6 years and President for three. We probably worked harder then the other sports boards and did more promotion on social media and through the school then the other sports and still had declining numbers even at Tee ball but especially around the time they hit 10u coach pitch. When my older son (now 18 played) we had 5 teams at 10u and we cross played with the neighboring school districts who also had 4 or 5 teams each.  My young son is 15, when he played 10u we had 3 teams, the other two associations had 4 and 2. Since then I've heard I think it is like 2/3/2 and they have had to start adding other organizations into the league season. My younger son left baseball before U12, it was too slow for him as he loves to run so he played soccer fall and spring and basketball in the winter through Middle School. By then he was playing on a legit travel soccer level and at only 5'6" when he hit high school this past year he decided to focus on soccer. Of his core friends, we called them the fab 5 because they were all good athletes and also became great friends; all 5 still play soccer at least for the school (2 play at the club travel level), 2 still play basketball (both school and AAU) and 2 play baseball (both school and 1 also plays travel). My son was actually interested in trying Volleyball this spring but the school teams game nights were Tuesday and Thursday the same night his soccer team trains so he could have practiced but would have hardly ever gotten to go to games.

 
so your concept of the sport in general decline is not many kids on your kids' elementary school team? :lol:

ok... I'll bite.

at a guess, lower level rec soccer and something like 3rd grade soccer might be on a decline. I'd bet that the kids who actually play the sport aren't bothering with elementary school soccer because the quality of play and coaching is low and it likely interferes with their club team schedule. the club soccer kids might even be playing other school sports instead just to mix it up.

with the pro game leaking down into the youth game with pro academies in place all over the country for kids- I think the game has become less "send the kids out for something to do by the soccer-moms" and more, my kid has genuine ability and might go pro some day. 

I'll leave it to the boots on the ground guys in here, but I think the youth game has become much more serious and stratified. where non-athlete or non-serious kids might have kept playing into or past middle school, I have a sense the level ramps up so much the bottom end might have fallen away a bit.

soccer on the decline in general is categorically wrong across pretty much every metric (besides your dislike of the sport).

average wage of MLS guys is now pro-athlete levels instead of working at the hardware store levels, and kids are routinely bypassing the old route of college ball to go straight to the pros here in the US and abroad. tv rights are setting records, as are intro costs to buy into the league and overseas ownership. the sport is on TV and internet 24/7and I would guess more kids play the sport- as it was in the 80s- than any other sport. IIRC more kids played back then than baseball and football combined. 
I have no idea why you are offended and felt the need to be a jerk on your response. It was an honest question. My only point of bringing up that I didn't like it personally was to point out that I don't know the sport. My post was not knocking the sport. My son loves it. It was his favorite sport last year but then he told me people aren't interested in it and football was his favorite now. I don't care what my interests are, if my kids are interested then I will pick up interest. I had an honest question and certainly didn't think anything in my post required attitude back.

As for the club vs school team, in every sport (including Soccer) kids play both for clubs and the school teams. I had actually asked my son if there were any other kids playing club thay weren't playing soccer and he said no. 

Just asking. A simple "the sport is seeing tremendous growth... " or whatever other comments would have been more than sufficient and appreciated. 

 
I'll chime in as well.  One the Midwest is probably the weakest region in general for youth soccer as far as quality of play (although Chicago does have some clubs that is strong on the national level). I'm guessing part of that is that it isn't as popular there as the rest of the country at the youth level in general.

But back here in the Northeast it is definitely strong even at the entry club/rec level. I do agree with @El Floppothat once you hit U13 (6th/7th grade) you do see a drop off in numbers because that is moving to a full size field, 11v11 and it tends to get a little more serious. I can say as a former President of our local baseball organization that the same is true in baseball. At U13 when you moved up to a full size field your kids whose parents made them play tend to drop off and your kids that take the sport serious are looking at travel or at least legion ball and it was tough to get enough kids for a team in the county rec league. Basketball I think because it takes less kids for a team they seem to hold on until high school.  I can't really speak to football, my sons school doesn't even have football except as a co-op with another school and on the youth side the only kids that went there were more your non-athlete I'm bigger then every one else types. Around us the majority of kids that play youth sports (say under 6th grade) play soccer in the fall, basketball or wrestle in the winter and baseball/softball in the spring. There are outliers but I'd say 75% do at least two out of the three and most all three.

The sports that has seen the drop-off by us is baseball. As I said I was on the board for like 6 years and President for three. We probably worked harder then the other sports boards and did more promotion on social media and through the school then the other sports and still had declining numbers even at Tee ball but especially around the time they hit 10u coach pitch. When my older son (now 18 played) we had 5 teams at 10u and we cross played with the neighboring school districts who also had 4 or 5 teams each.  My young son is 15, when he played 10u we had 3 teams, the other two associations had 4 and 2. Since then I've heard I think it is like 2/3/2 and they have had to start adding other organizations into the league season. My younger son left baseball before U12, it was too slow for him as he loves to run so he played soccer fall and spring and basketball in the winter through Middle School. By then he was playing on a legit travel soccer level and at only 5'6" when he hit high school this past year he decided to focus on soccer. Of his core friends, we called them the fab 5 because they were all good athletes and also became great friends; all 5 still play soccer at least for the school (2 play at the club travel level), 2 still play basketball (both school and AAU) and 2 play baseball (both school and 1 also plays travel). My son was actually interested in trying Volleyball this spring but the school teams game nights were Tuesday and Thursday the same night his soccer team trains so he could have practiced but would have hardly ever gotten to go to games.
That makes sense. 

Along those lines, the local soccer club is very active. I even get email updates from them. Very visible and known in the community. The baseball is MIA. I missed signups this year for baseball but it is ok, he started swim this year and had soccer with the school though I didn't realize how short of a season it was. 

I am still feeling out his interest level and desire to play what and figure out how time and effort works into everything. He is prettyuch up for every sport. He is athletic, has a good mix of speed, size and strength that should translate well to most sports so it is more of which ones to play or not play. 

 
That makes sense. 

Along those lines, the local soccer club is very active. I even get email updates from them. Very visible and known in the community. The baseball is MIA. I missed signups this year for baseball but it is ok, he started swim this year and had soccer with the school though I didn't realize how short of a season it was. 

I am still feeling out his interest level and desire to play what and figure out how time and effort works into everything. He is prettyuch up for every sport. He is athletic, has a good mix of speed, size and strength that should translate well to most sports so it is more of which ones to play or not play. 


Try everything. I'm in a similar boat with 3 boys, and while in high school, my two oldest both added in volleyball as a sport that they hadn't played before but really like, and my freshman and 5th grader are considering lacrosse after watching their cousin win the CIF championship and really getting into it throughout the playoffs and starting to pick up on some of the nuances of that game.

That puts me currently with basketball, soccer, volleyball, football and now potentially lacrosse all in the fold.

Soccer related, my freshman, the goalkeeper, is currently in the midst of tryouts for the EAL team (unless they bring in an outside ringer, it is most likely going to either be his job or they will bring one of their MLS goalies down who doesn't play as much at that level). The goalie trainer, who I know likes my son's work ethic, is going to have quite a bit of say, though not the final word. Probably won't know for a few weeks. If he doesn't get it, most likely will stay with his NPL team as he really likes the keeper trainer, but is not opposed to being open to other situations if one pops up.

 
Try everything. I'm in a similar boat with 3 boys, and while in high school, my two oldest both added in volleyball as a sport that they hadn't played before but really like, and my freshman and 5th grader are considering lacrosse after watching their cousin win the CIF championship and really getting into it throughout the playoffs and starting to pick up on some of the nuances of that game.

That puts me currently with basketball, soccer, volleyball, football and now potentially lacrosse all in the fold.

Soccer related, my freshman, the goalkeeper, is currently in the midst of tryouts for the EAL team (unless they bring in an outside ringer, it is most likely going to either be his job or they will bring one of their MLS goalies down who doesn't play as much at that level). The goalie trainer, who I know likes my son's work ethic, is going to have quite a bit of say, though not the final word. Probably won't know for a few weeks. If he doesn't get it, most likely will stay with his NPL team as he really likes the keeper trainer, but is not opposed to being open to other situations if one pops up.
Definitely trying to get him exposed to a variety. He for the most is pretty much a YES when asked sport? 

He has done football, basketball, soccer and we literally just left his first swim meet (3rd place out of 8 on 50 back... he missed his 50 free because he wasn't use to everything amd since no one grabbed him and lead him to the lane he just sat there even though I told him ahead of time). School has track and field, cross country, volleyball and golf for later grades, he has indicated yes for all except volleyball (somehow he has it in his head it is a girl sport but I think he will want to do that too when his friends do it). Will add baseball next year. Lacrosse seems to be exploding in popularity and he is interested. 

I just signed up for different camps and stuff for over the summer for all the kids... mostly football and basketball but there is a multi sport camp in there. 

I looked for soccer camp stuff but didn't find much. The Nike camps (doing a basketball one for one week) was not close but not too far but schedule wise didn't work. 

Anything else that comes up that he is interested in, I will try to get him some exposure... we have dabbled in rock climbing and archery for example. 

 
As for the club vs school team, in every sport (including Soccer) kids play both for clubs and the school teams. I had actually asked my son if there were any other kids playing club thay weren't playing soccer and he said no. 
So just curious, it sounded like your son was in 3rd/4th grade?  They have school teams at that age or it's a local youth league/club but based on school district?  I've never heard of schools (unless private) having organized sports that young. In fact here in PA I don't think PIAA (the state school sport governance) will even allow anything under 6th grade. Most schools start at 7th. 

 
@SwampDawgwe have an ECNL game NW of the city in Orangeburg? on Saturday, and another in Manhattan on Sunday.  I assume that was where you played last week?  I'm not even sure who the club is, lol.  I gotta pay more attention. 

 
So just curious, it sounded like your son was in 3rd/4th grade?  They have school teams at that age or it's a local youth league/club but based on school district?  I've never heard of schools (unless private) having organized sports that young. In fact here in PA I don't think PIAA (the state school sport governance) will even allow anything under 6th grade. Most schools start at 7th. 
He is in 3rd grade and it is private Catholic school in Catholic school leagues. I don't think the public schools have teams at all. For me growing up (public school in So Cal) it was the same where school teams didn't start until 7th grade. It surprised me that they had teams. It seems that they are feeders for the Catholic H.S. teams in the area (which some are pretty good ranked programs in Illinois... at least for football). 

 
I have no idea why you are offended and felt the need to be a jerk on your response. It was an honest question. My only point of bringing up that I didn't like it personally was to point out that I don't know the sport. My post was not knocking the sport. My son loves it. It was his favorite sport last year but then he told me people aren't interested in it and football was his favorite now. I don't care what my interests are, if my kids are interested then I will pick up interest. I had an honest question and certainly didn't think anything in my post required attitude back.

As for the club vs school team, in every sport (including Soccer) kids play both for clubs and the school teams. I had actually asked my son if there were any other kids playing club thay weren't playing soccer and he said no. 

Just asking. A simple "the sport is seeing tremendous growth... " or whatever other comments would have been more than sufficient and appreciated. 
Offended? Not at all. Apologies for ruffling your panties...I didn't think I was being a jerk at all- the question seemed silly to me... I mean, reread it and think it through for yourself. And after I somehow offended you, you seem to have missed the rest of my post taking the time to further answer your question. 

I'll put it to the group....did my post come across as being a jerk? If so, further apologies to Chad...wasn't my intention at all, and this isn't the thread for offensive posts.

 
@SwampDawgwe have an ECNL game NW of the city in Orangeburg? on Saturday, and another in Manhattan on Sunday.  I assume that was where you played last week?  I'm not even sure who the club is, lol.  I gotta pay more attention. 
Yep guessing it's World Class and Manhattan SC. The complex in Orangeburg is gorgeous. We played the Manhattan team at a college in Staten Island although someone said they also have fields right in Manhattan. Would have been cool but driving and parking in Staten Island was much easier.

Are you guys going to Richmond next weekend for the showcase?

 
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He is in 3rd grade and it is private Catholic school in Catholic school leagues. I don't think the public schools have teams at all. For me growing up (public school in So Cal) it was the same where school teams didn't start until 7th grade. It surprised me that they had teams. It seems that they are feeders for the Catholic H.S. teams in the area (which some are pretty good ranked programs in Illinois... at least for football). 
So Cal is still the same. NO school teams through elementary school, the middle schools have some but they are mostly a joke and not really competitive - for example, on basketball they sometimes will carry 20 kids and basically rotate groups of 5 each quarter, for flag football which they play 8v8, they carry 24 players but only have 16 play per game, so kids miss 1/3 of games. It's all part of trying to include as many kids as possible, but it definitely does not prepare them for the competition in high school.

And most of the private high schools (Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, etc.) and many of the public schools have feeder programs for most of their sports. It essentially helps them get players earlier and is a good way to bolster the coaches income, since, especially for the public schools, the coaching stipend is a joke, though until this year, by rule the head coaches could not really be overly involved in directly coaching the feeder teams as it was a CIF violation. That rule has been changed to allow coaches to work with 8th graders, and it is now no longer a violation for those kids to enroll at the school their coach is at vs. their home school. This was put n place to help public schools compete with the private schools. So, rather than separate public and private schools when it comes to state and section tournaments, kind of like Texas does, they just set it up such that public school now essentially are recruiting kids (not that they weren't before). It's nuts having 8th graders announcing on twitter where they have decided to take their talents like you see at the college signing days. (Sorry for the side bar, just so stupid)

 
Yep guessing it's World Class and Manhattan SC. The complex in Orangeburg is gorgeous. We played the Manhattan team at a college in Staten Island although someone said they also have fields right in Manhattan. Would have been cool but driving and parking in Staten Island was much easier.

Are you guys going to Richmond next weekend for the showcase?
The Manhattan game is on Randall's Island.  El Floppo had a story about the spot in the other thread.  Does the Orangeburg location have raised stands?  I am trying to decide if I feel like shooting vid when it's 95 out. 

  That 4k sony I bought is amazing by the way.  I'm getting better at it every week.  I need to figure out post edits when I finally have time in a couple of weeks.

I haven't heard about Richmond, so I doubt it.  We do find out last minute often, so I'll let you know if that changes.

 
The Manhattan game is on Randall's Island.  El Floppo had a story about the spot in the other thread.  Does the Orangeburg location have raised stands?  I am trying to decide if I feel like shooting vid when it's 95 out. 

  That 4k sony I bought is amazing by the way.  I'm getting better at it every week.  I need to figure out post edits when I finally have time in a couple of weeks.

I haven't heard about Richmond, so I doubt it.  We do find out last minute often, so I'll let you know if that changes.
Depending on which field they had a couple small like 3 row bleachers in Orangeburg but no stadium type stands.  Not sure about your age group but for the 06"s that World Class team was LEGIT. I think they have one loss all season.

 
Depending on which field they had a couple small like 3 row bleachers in Orangeburg but no stadium type stands.  Not sure about your age group but for the 06"s that World Class team was LEGIT. I think they have one loss all season.
We are going to be short handed, so that could be trouble.  Prom season.

If no stands, is there a hill next to the field?  It's much better to video even ten feet above the field.

 
So Cal is still the same. NO school teams through elementary school, the middle schools have some but they are mostly a joke and not really competitive - for example, on basketball they sometimes will carry 20 kids and basically rotate groups of 5 each quarter, for flag football which they play 8v8, they carry 24 players but only have 16 play per game, so kids miss 1/3 of games. It's all part of trying to include as many kids as possible, but it definitely does not prepare them for the competition in high school.

And most of the private high schools (Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, etc.) and many of the public schools have feeder programs for most of their sports. It essentially helps them get players earlier and is a good way to bolster the coaches income, since, especially for the public schools, the coaching stipend is a joke, though until this year, by rule the head coaches could not really be overly involved in directly coaching the feeder teams as it was a CIF violation. That rule has been changed to allow coaches to work with 8th graders, and it is now no longer a violation for those kids to enroll at the school their coach is at vs. their home school. This was put n place to help public schools compete with the private schools. So, rather than separate public and private schools when it comes to state and section tournaments, kind of like Texas does, they just set it up such that public school now essentially are recruiting kids (not that they weren't before). It's nuts having 8th graders announcing on twitter where they have decided to take their talents like you see at the college signing days. (Sorry for the side bar, just so stupid)
I never thought about how things have changed in terms of recruiting on the H.S. level since I was a kid but I am learning. 

I got 'recruited' a little bit for basketball as I was one of the better kids in my city at my age but it was pretty much the HC saying "you are coming to our school, right?" with some interactions at the basketball summer camp at the HS. I remember one conversation of him asking me where I lived and then he outlined all the restrictions about recruiting. It seemed like back then asking me where I lived and asking if I intended on coming to that school was pretty close to the most they could do. 

It seems things have changed A TON. 

Friends of ours asked us a couple of weeks ago where we expected our kids to go for HS. I was like, well, daughterchadstroma is going to the public HS because she isn't going to get an athletic scholarship. She isn't overflowing with natural athletic ability but more importantly just doesn't seem driven much to work at any particular sport. MAYBE she will get more serious about Volleyball (the sport she likes the most and wants to go to camps and stuff) but something will have to click with her later to have more drive, unless there is some sort of art scholarship or something, I think chances are most likely she will be at public school. sonchadstroma likely will be good enough for something sport wise. He has natural athletic talent, good size, strength and speed combo compared to his peers and is very competitive and wants to get better at whatever he does. youngestsonchadstroma seems to me to be similar but maybe even more natural hand/eye and mechanical coordination and is much more developed sports wise than his brother was at the same age.  I have a ways to go before it is even a real concern but I also am learning from my nephew who is going into his freshman year. Apparently he was recruited but my SIL/BIL totally blew it because they didn't answer the phone calls and there apparently is all these rules about how many times they can call, leaving messages, etc. It sounds like they blew his chance to get a scholarship. 

 
Well, looks like my son made the U10 "Select I" team, which is their 3rd level team?

Costs are like $3k per year.  Ugh.

Now to decide if we're going to do it or not. 

 
Chadstroma said:
Is a travel and a club team synonyms or actually different? 
Synonyms, Club/Travel vs School. Some clubs can have intermural type teams as well especially at younger ages.

 
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We are going to be short handed, so that could be trouble.  Prom season.

If no stands, is there a hill next to the field?  It's much better to video even ten feet above the field.
Not really that I recall. 
The HS soccer game I watched in the south part of the island had a burm to sit on.

Was it yesterday or today? Stinking hot...and iirc, no shade around those fields.

 
The HS soccer game I watched in the south part of the island had a burm to sit on.

Was it yesterday or today? Stinking hot...and iirc, no shade around those fields.
I'm in my truck right now.  Sitting under  the highway bridge.  I can see field ten where they are playing, it is next to a Stadium where there is a track meet.  It is also next to a golf facility. Cool city view in the backround.  

We pulled a 1-1 draw in Orangeburg yesterday.  My sons potential game winner was deflected and hit the post.  So close!

I'm already sick of driving. 

 
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I'm in my truck right now.  Sitting under  the highway bridge.  I can see field ten where they are playing, it is next to a Stadium where there is a track meet.  It is also next to a golf facility. Cool city view in the backround.  

We pulled a 1-1 draw in Orangeburg yesterday.  My sons potential game winner was deflected and hit the post.  So close!

I'm already sick of driving. 
nice... that's right across the road from the John Macenroe tennis center where Floppinha plays occasionally (hopefully full time, if she wins a scholarship there in a couple weeks- every digit I own crossed).

 
nice... that's right across the road from the John Macenroe tennis center where Floppinha plays occasionally (hopefully full time, if she wins a scholarship there in a couple weeks- every digit I own crossed).
HUGE track and field event going in here now.  I took a cool picture already.

 
HUGE track and field event going in here now.  I took a cool picture already.
that was my son's home HS track... but I know he's done. 

I think the city uses the HELL out of all the Randall's island sports facilities. baseball, football, golf, track, soccer, tennis, psycho child stalkers....

 

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