Zack Miller is a Seahawk (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

Crap. I took him in SSL4. I should've known I'd get bitten. Drafting early avoided the hype on Chad Johnson but cost me a possible 75/950/8 season from Miller. Let's look at the new situation:-Bottom 5 QB-Two big, good WR-One big, pretty good TE to compete withFantasy prospects = Good pickup for the Seahawks, though. If only they had traded for Orton, Palmer, or McNabb. Sage Rosenfels might even be better. I can't see why they'd spend all this money and leave such a gaping hole. I don't want to hear anything from that one annoying "bro" about building for the future. They are in a bad division missing one key piece. They could have had both. They could have had BOTH.Maybe TJax will surprise...

I'm not sure I buy into your assertion. While I'm not a Tarvaris fan, I don't think he's a bottom 5 QB. He could easily outperform Jason Campbell. More importantly I DEFINITELY don't agree with the "two big, good WR" part. Sidney Rice, when healthy, is excellent no doubt but Mike Williams -- feel good story though he may be -- is a plodder. People act like last year was a breakout, it was the very definition of pedestrian, particularly for the team's top target. And Carlson, in spite of modest fantasy success in his first two years, has not won the new coaching staff over nor has his production hinted he should steal ANY snaps/touches from Miller.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Crap. I took him in SSL4. I should've known I'd get bitten. Drafting early avoided the hype on Chad Johnson but cost me a possible 75/950/8 season from Miller. Let's look at the new situation:-Bottom 5 QB-Two big, good WR-One big, pretty good TE to compete withFantasy prospects = Good pickup for the Seahawks, though. If only they had traded for Orton, Palmer, or McNabb. Sage Rosenfels might even be better. I can't see why they'd spend all this money and leave such a gaping hole. I don't want to hear anything from that one annoying "bro" about building for the future. They are in a bad division missing one key piece. They could have had both. They could have had BOTH.Maybe TJax will surprise...

I'm not sure I buy into your assertion. While I'm not a Tarvaris fan, I don't think he's a bottom 5 QB. He could easily outperform Jason Campbell. More importantly I DEFINITELY don't agree with the "two big, good WR" part. Sidney Rice, when healthy, is excellent no doubt but Mike Williams -- feel good story though he may be -- is a plodder. People act like last year was a breakout, it was the very definition of pedestrian, particularly for the team's top target. And Carlson, in spite of modest fantasy success in his first two years, has not won the new coaching staff over nor has his production hinted he should steal ANY snaps/touches from Miller.

I think you're wrong on Mike Williams. He could only catch what was thrown to him and he cashed in 60% of his 110 targets. When you consider the supporting cast he was working with, the second most targeted wideout on the team being Deon Butler turning only 50% of his 70 targets into receptions and a mediocre running game I think Williams did quite well for himself. With the addition of Rice on the other side I think Williams could have made a believer out of you. We'll never know now with Tarvaris at the helm though. His assertion of "Two big, good WR" is spot on and it will affect the number of looks Miller gets this year.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

While I'm not a Tarvaris fan, I don't think he's a bottom 5 QB.

I agree! He's more like bottom 2. Good catch.

He could easily outperform Jason Campbell.

In the world of polar reverse reality dimension where good = bad, yes he could outperform Campbell.

More importantly I DEFINITELY don't agree with the "two big, good WR" part. Sidney Rice, when healthy, is excellent no doubt but Mike Williams -- feel good story though he may be -- is a plodder. People act like last year was a breakout, it was the very definition of pedestrian, particularly for the team's top target. And Carlson, in spite of modest fantasy success in his first two years, has not won the new coaching staff over nor has his production hinted he should steal ANY snaps/touches from Miller.

Seriously Wood, I can't believe you are trashing BMW here. Maybe the reason he was targeted as much as he was was because he got separation, and that takes some talent. If a big lumbering oaf doesn't get open, Hass doesn'tt look in his direction, right? But as already mentioned, he caught a high percentage of throws to targets. He's certainly not pedestrian, by any measure. And I have serious doubts about T-Jack coming over to a new franchise and rebuilding his career that has been DOA for quite some time now. It's amazing he's still in the league holding a clipboard, much less a starting QB! The time it will take T-Jack to re-learn how to read defenses, (or maybe he's back in Carrol's QB for dummies class?) it isn't any given that Miller will develop a chemistry with T-Jack or steal a significant amount of targets from BMW. Rice is another matter, and I have no doubt that T-Jack will attempt to chuck the ball at Rice many, many times. But Miller's impact this year is not a given in this offense.

 

[W. Klown]

I really do not understand all of these upgrades by the Seahawks without landing a TOP NOTCH QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont trust Pete Carroll either......I'm sure he has Andrew Luck in his long term plan too, either by getting these pieces in place this year and then trading up to get him or by keeping TJ under center all year to guarantee he gets him (LOL).

Maybe the Hawks will add Kyle Orton.........man if they do that!!!!! With Miller, Rice, MW, and Tate...........phew.

Unless TJ can beat his lifetime 58% completion percentage, these 3 fantasy studs are no irrelevant for 2011.......just sad.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Lets just keep in mind guys this is a Fantasy Football League Forum. So we talk about the value of Fantasy Football players. Its pretty easy to see why Zach Millers value just went 1)Tavaris Jackson as your QB (I'm no genius but he's not exactly Aaron Rodgers .)2) Way more targets to compete with (Forsett, Sidney Rice, Big Mike Williams, Deon B,Carlson)3) He goes to a young team that has to mesh together in a short amount of time.

While I don't think Seattle is the best situation for his fantasy value, I'll try and talk you off the ledge a little. While Jason Campbell may be a slightly better NFL QB than Tavaris Jackson, he isn't exactly Peyton manning either and to be honest Jackson hasn't received as many chances as Campbell has to develop his game.I'd probably give a slight edge to those Seattle skill players as well, but none of those guys are proven producers either. Sidney Rice has had one great season in his four year career and it coincided with Brett Favre's magical rebirth season. Darren McFadden, Jacoby Ford and Louis Murphy aren't all that far behind the Seattle skill players.Point 3, is well taken, but may not be the end of the world. Miller's a good player, he'll get open and catch the ball provided Jackson shows anything.

 

[Mr. Bojangles]

Raider fans on suicide watch. This is funny.

 

[cacksman]

Raider fans on suicide watch. This is funny.

I've chose to stop arguing with them at all at this point. They just have no rationale, it's like this fleecing they just took from not signing Miller has finally made them as senile as their owner.Definitely fun to read Raiders' boards in total meltdown though.

 

[Mr. Bojangles]

Raider fans on suicide watch. This is funny.

I've chose to stop arguing with them at all at this point. They just have no rationale, it's like this fleecing they just took from not signing Miller has finally made them as senile as their owner.Definitely fun to read Raiders' boards in total meltdown though.

 

[Novice2]

I really do not understand all of these upgrades by the Seahawks without landing a TOP NOTCH QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2012 Draft.

 

[Jason Wood]

Seriously Wood, I can't believe you are trashing BMW here. Maybe the reason he was targeted as much as he was was because he got separation, and that takes some talent. If a big lumbering oaf doesn't get open, Hass doesn'tt look in his direction, right? But as already mentioned, he caught a high percentage of throws to targets. He's certainly not pedestrian, by any measure. And I have serious doubts about T-Jack coming over to a new franchise and rebuilding his career that has been DOA for quite some time now. It's amazing he's still in the league holding a clipboard, much less a starting QB! The time it will take T-Jack to re-learn how to read defenses, (or maybe he's back in Carrol's QB for dummies class?) it isn't any given that Miller will develop a chemistry with T-Jack or steal a significant amount of targets from BMW. Rice is another matter, and I have no doubt that T-Jack will attempt to chuck the ball at Rice many, many times. But Miller's impact this year is not a given in this offense.

I'm not trashing BMW, I'm saying he's an average NFL receiver. Great story, he salvaged himself from the abyss, but at best he's a low end WR2 in real NFL terms. I actually like him better as the #2 option in an offense, should be good for him, but I still didn't see much from him last year that screams "big, good receiver." He's big. That's true. And yes, he caught 60% of his targets. But he also had 7 drops, averaged a paltry 11.2 yards per catch, rarely generated yards after the catch, and had a whopping 5 missed tackles all season. That's the very definition of pedestrian, by any measure.

 

[cacksman]

Seriously Wood, I can't believe you are trashing BMW here. Maybe the reason he was targeted as much as he was was because he got separation, and that takes some talent. If a big lumbering oaf doesn't get open, Hass doesn'tt look in his direction, right? But as already mentioned, he caught a high percentage of throws to targets. He's certainly not pedestrian, by any measure. And I have serious doubts about T-Jack coming over to a new franchise and rebuilding his career that has been DOA for quite some time now. It's amazing he's still in the league holding a clipboard, much less a starting QB! The time it will take T-Jack to re-learn how to read defenses, (or maybe he's back in Carrol's QB for dummies class?) it isn't any given that Miller will develop a chemistry with T-Jack or steal a significant amount of targets from BMW. Rice is another matter, and I have no doubt that T-Jack will attempt to chuck the ball at Rice many, many times. But Miller's impact this year is not a given in this offense.

I'm not trashing BMW, I'm saying he's an average NFL receiver. Great story, he salvaged himself from the abyss, but at best he's a low end WR2 in real NFL terms. I actually like him better as the #2 option in an offense, should be good for him, but I still didn't see much from him last year that screams "big, good receiver." He's big. That's true. And yes, he caught 60% of his targets. But he also had 7 drops, averaged a paltry 11.2 yards per catch, rarely generated yards after the catch, and had a whopping 5 missed tackles all season. That's the very definition of pedestrian, by any measure.

I'm interested to hear if you watched him play or just looked at the stats. Williams played hurt towards the end of the season and when Hass actually made it a point to get him the ball, he produced.

 

[Jason Wood]

Seriously Wood, I can't believe you are trashing BMW here. Maybe the reason he was targeted as much as he was was because he got separation, and that takes some talent. If a big lumbering oaf doesn't get open, Hass doesn'tt look in his direction, right? But as already mentioned, he caught a high percentage of throws to targets. He's certainly not pedestrian, by any measure. And I have serious doubts about T-Jack coming over to a new franchise and rebuilding his career that has been DOA for quite some time now. It's amazing he's still in the league holding a clipboard, much less a starting QB! The time it will take T-Jack to re-learn how to read defenses, (or maybe he's back in Carrol's QB for dummies class?) it isn't any given that Miller will develop a chemistry with T-Jack or steal a significant amount of targets from BMW. Rice is another matter, and I have no doubt that T-Jack will attempt to chuck the ball at Rice many, many times. But Miller's impact this year is not a given in this offense.

I'm not trashing BMW, I'm saying he's an average NFL receiver. Great story, he salvaged himself from the abyss, but at best he's a low end WR2 in real NFL terms. I actually like him better as the #2 option in an offense, should be good for him, but I still didn't see much from him last year that screams "big, good receiver." He's big. That's true. And yes, he caught 60% of his targets. But he also had 7 drops, averaged a paltry 11.2 yards per catch, rarely generated yards after the catch, and had a whopping 5 missed tackles all season. That's the very definition of pedestrian, by any measure.

I'm interested to hear if you watched him play or just looked at the stats. Williams played hurt towards the end of the season and when Hass actually made it a point to get him the ball, he produced.

Watched him quite a bit. Look, not everyone in the NFL can be above average. It's not a crime to be an average NFL starting receiver. Heck, that still makes him the envy of 99.99% of people who ever played football. But take the human interest element out of the equation. Make BMW just a guy on a normal career trajectory, and evaluate a) what you saw and b) what the box scores show, and you're left with JUST A GUY. There's nothing wrong with that, unless you're a Seahawks fan deluding yourself into thinking he's more.

 

[Dexter Manley]

An absolute nightmare for the Raiders. As I'm re-doing my projections, I can't fathom who is going to catch the ball in Oakland. I'm big on Jacoby Ford like many of you, but he's already banged up and is hardly a proven commodity. The only thing I'm SURE of? DMC is going to rack up a TON of yards as both a receiver and runner. This basically makes Jason Campbell undraftable too, not that he would've been a high priority anyway.

Before throwing your cards in on Jason Campbell, you need to know what he’s left to work with. He has a healthy returning Chaz Schilens who will take the WR#1 slot and be the “move the chains” guy that Campbell can depend on. On the other side, you have what I believe will be a much improved more consistent Louis Murphy as a legit WR#2. Marcel Reece as a FB is a matchup nightmare, and McFadden is a sure handed checkdown receiver and safety valve as you could ask for. What’s unknown are newcomers at TE, both physically gifted, yet raw David Ausberry and Richard Gordon. They are both late round choices, so nothing is sure. Also, they could still pick up a Kevin Boss from the NY Giants who has expressed interest in becoming a Raider. That would change the dynamic some, right? Don’t forget the other side of the ball, where the defense will continue to be menacing and will consistently win the field position battle. This will set up for short field drives and quick strikes.

Finally, don’t discount Jason Campbell, coming into this season as the unquestioned starter. He’s had a year under his belt working under the direction of Hue Jackson, and he gets his role. He’s been a team leader in the player led offseason OTA’s, along with Richard Seymour. This team was among the scoring leaders last year, and they are looking to build on it. Campbell isn’t a slouch and he’s got some downfield weapons to do some damage, both in real and fantasy football. You should not ignore a high scoring team regardless, in fantasy. Campbell is going to surprise. Losing Miller hurts, but he's replaceable. If not in personnel, then in scheme. The Raiders will move on and be fine offensively.

It doesn't matter how open Ford/Schillens/Whoever can get downfield, Campbell lacks the ability to get the football to them on a consistant basis.

Exactly. As a Redskins fan, I watched JC for years and he is one of the least accurate deep ball throwers in the league.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Seriously Wood, I can't believe you are trashing BMW here. Maybe the reason he was targeted as much as he was was because he got separation, and that takes some talent. If a big lumbering oaf doesn't get open, Hass doesn'tt look in his direction, right? But as already mentioned, he caught a high percentage of throws to targets. He's certainly not pedestrian, by any measure. And I have serious doubts about T-Jack coming over to a new franchise and rebuilding his career that has been DOA for quite some time now. It's amazing he's still in the league holding a clipboard, much less a starting QB! The time it will take T-Jack to re-learn how to read defenses, (or maybe he's back in Carrol's QB for dummies class?) it isn't any given that Miller will develop a chemistry with T-Jack or steal a significant amount of targets from BMW. Rice is another matter, and I have no doubt that T-Jack will attempt to chuck the ball at Rice many, many times. But Miller's impact this year is not a given in this offense.

I'm not trashing BMW, I'm saying he's an average NFL receiver. Great story, he salvaged himself from the abyss, but at best he's a low end WR2 in real NFL terms. I actually like him better as the #2 option in an offense, should be good for him, but I still didn't see much from him last year that screams "big, good receiver." He's big. That's true. And yes, he caught 60% of his targets. But he also had 7 drops, averaged a paltry 11.2 yards per catch, rarely generated yards after the catch, and had a whopping 5 missed tackles all season. That's the very definition of pedestrian, by any measure.

He's not a low end WR2. I didn't watch every play and every snap, but I'd be willing to bet money that the y.p.c. and drops you cite have as much or more to do with Williams lack of a supporting cast and nagging injury last year as Williams himself. As it turns out, we may never know the real answer now. The football gods have smiled upon your assertions with the signing of Sid and Miller and the lack of a pro caliber QB under center. Now, your analysis is going to appear like it was correct because, even healthy, Williams will remain a low-end WR2 through no fault of his own.

 

[LHUCKS]

Put me on the side that says BMW isn't an average WR, regardless of what certain ancillary stats may be.

I'm relying on the LHUCKS eyeball test.

I think we need to remember BMW was re-inserting himself into the NFL last year.

 

[sho nuff]

Put me on the side that says BMW isn't an average WR, regardless of what certain ancillary stats may be.I'm relying on the LHUCKS eyeball test. I think we need to remember BMW was re-inserting himself into the NFL last year.

Yet you trash Greg Jennings?

 

[Vision6]

this thread is great

lol seahawk fans

 

[Incogneto]

this thread is great

lol seahawk Raider fans

fixed

 

[cacksman]

this thread is great

lol seahawk Raider fans

fixed

Yup. Raider fans are nuts. I've read on their boards that they should get back at Seattle by signing Tatupu and that Miller is overrated and the guy they wanted all along was Kevin Boss. Haha okayyy

 

[Teef]

this thread is great

lol seahawk Raider fans

fixed

Yup. Raider fans are nuts. I've read on their boards that they should get back at Seattle by signing Tatupu and that Miller is overrated and the guy they wanted all along was Kevin Boss. Haha okayyy

You just proved his point.The Raider fans know they're nuts. Seahawk fans are quite a whiney bunch. Science guy is in a league of his own, my guess is he's slow or still in middle school.

 

[Raider Nation]

this thread is great

lol seahawk Raider fans

fixed

Yup. Raider fans are nuts. I've read on their boards that they should get back at Seattle by signing Tatupu and that Miller is overrated and the guy they wanted all along was Kevin Boss. Haha okayyy

Wow, fantastic find. That guy DEFINITELY speaks for all Raider fans!!!!!1111!!!!!!

Moron.

 

[cacksman]

this thread is great

lol seahawk Raider fans

fixed

Yup. Raider fans are nuts. I've read on their boards that they should get back at Seattle by signing Tatupu and that Miller is overrated and the guy they wanted all along was Kevin Boss. Haha okayyy

Wow, fantastic find. That guy DEFINITELY speaks for all Raider fans!!!!!1111!!!!!!

Moron.

The best kind of Raider fan is an angry Raider fan.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

this thread is great

lol seahawk Raider fans

fixed

Yup. Raider fans are nuts. I've read on their boards that they should get back at Seattle by signing Tatupu and that Miller is overrated and the guy they wanted all along was Kevin Boss. Haha okayyy

Wow, fantastic find. That guy DEFINITELY speaks for all Raider fans!!!!!1111!!!!!!

Moron.

The best kind of Raider fan is an angry Raider fan.

RN isn't the angry one here. He's One thing Raider fans don't ever do, and it seems kind of gross: Troll other teams boards. I want to say NTTATWT, but deep down I do.

 

[Incogneto]

this thread is great

lol seahawk Raider fans

fixed

Yup. Raider fans are nuts. I've read on their boards that they should get back at Seattle by signing Tatupu and that Miller is overrated and the guy they wanted all along was Kevin Boss. Haha okayyy

Wow, fantastic find. That guy DEFINITELY speaks for all Raider fans!!!!!1111!!!!!!

Moron.

The best kind of Raider fan is an angry Raider fan.

RN isn't the angry one here. He's One thing Raider fans don't ever do, and it seems kind of gross: Troll other teams boards. I want to say NTTATWT, but deep down I do.

Hell, i am just surprised that raider fans can read.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Put me on the side that says BMW isn't an average WR, regardless of what certain ancillary stats may be.I'm relying on the LHUCKS eyeball test. I think we need to remember BMW was re-inserting himself into the NFL last year.

Yet you trash Greg Jennings?

Are you thinking BMW is a btter than average WR? The guy who was out of the league cuz he sucked for a bit, that guy?Jennings failed the LHucks Eyeball test? lol... any other players that failed his test, so I know to draft them.

 

[Incogneto]

Put me on the side that says BMW isn't an average WR, regardless of what certain ancillary stats may be.I'm relying on the LHUCKS eyeball test. I think we need to remember BMW was re-inserting himself into the NFL last year.

Yet you trash Greg Jennings?

Are you thinking BMW is a btter than average WR? The guy who was out of the league cuz he sucked for a bit, that guy?Jennings failed the LHucks Eyeball test? lol... any other players that failed his test, so I know to draft them.

Jennings before the Finley injury = Jennings after the Finley injury =

 

[Gr00vus]

Explain to me why Miller won't put up numbers something like what Shiancoe did in 2008/2009? Carlson splitting time?

 

[Dexter Manley]

Explain to me why Miller won't put up numbers something like what Shiancoe did in 2008/2009? Carlson splitting time?

IIRC, Shiancoe's 2009 season was sort of an anomaly with all the td's.What worries me is that Miller has a very short window of time to get on the same page as TJax and develop chemistry with him. Fwiw I'm a big fan of Miller.

 

[sho nuff]

Put me on the side that says BMW isn't an average WR, regardless of what certain ancillary stats may be.I'm relying on the LHUCKS eyeball test. I think we need to remember BMW was re-inserting himself into the NFL last year.

Yet you trash Greg Jennings?

Are you thinking BMW is a btter than average WR? The guy who was out of the league cuz he sucked for a bit, that guy?Jennings failed the LHucks Eyeball test? lol... any other players that failed his test, so I know to draft them.

Jennings before the Finley injury = Jennings after the Finley injury =

Jennings before Finley's injury was hitting the endzone more than Finley who supposedly was the bigger redzone threat.He did take off after that...but Jennings is not a new commodity in the offense with and without Finley.My point was more that he disagrees about BMW being average...yet trashed Jennings' skill set. Seems a bit odd to me.

 

[Gr00vus]

Explain to me why Miller won't put up numbers something like what Shiancoe did in 2008/2009? Carlson splitting time?

IIRC, Shiancoe's 2009 season was sort of an anomaly with all the td's.What worries me is that Miller has a very short window of time to get on the same page as TJax and develop chemistry with him.

Fwiw I'm a big fan of Miller.

Bolded is true. Still, in 2008 with 42/596/7 Shiancoe was the #5 TE with 102 fantasy points. Now 2009 and 2010 had more quality TE performances than 2008, but 102 fantasy points would still have been good for #11 TE in 2009 and tied for #8 TE in 2010. Miller will have the same OC Shiancoe had, probably not as good a collection of complementary skill players, and Jackson/Ferotte were the Min QBs in 2008 (then Favre in 2009). Shiancoe had some big games with Jackson throwing to him.I guess I'm saying I don't see how this is a worse situation for Miller than Oakland unless Carlson is going to significantly cut into Miller's targets.

 

[Jason Wood]

Put me on the side that says BMW isn't an average WR, regardless of what certain ancillary stats may be.I'm relying on the LHUCKS eyeball test. I think we need to remember BMW was re-inserting himself into the NFL last year.

Yet you trash Greg Jennings?

Are you thinking BMW is a btter than average WR? The guy who was out of the league cuz he sucked for a bit, that guy?Jennings failed the LHucks Eyeball test? lol... any other players that failed his test, so I know to draft them.

Jennings before the Finley injury = Jennings after the Finley injury =

I thought I sufficiently debunked this several times already.Jennings was targeted 26 times in the first 4 games, the same number as Finley. The only reason Jennings first month was bad is because he uncharacteristically only caught 12 of those 26 targets. Once his catch rate normalized, he was back to elite status. His rough start had nothing to do with Finley's presence.

 

[az_prof]

The signing is good for Seattle, but bad for fantasy. He went from a team where he was his teams primary receiving target to a team where he will have to share targets with Sidney Rice, TD targets with Big Mike, and he did not get an upgrade in QB play. He also has to split snaps with another pretty good TE. How can this be good? O yeah, he hast to learn a new playbook and get acclimated to a new QB with no OTAs. He has hovered around the 8-12 range the past two years in fantasy, but now I see him moving to the 10-15 range.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Put me on the side that says BMW isn't an average WR, regardless of what certain ancillary stats may be.I'm relying on the LHUCKS eyeball test. I think we need to remember BMW was re-inserting himself into the NFL last year.

Yet you trash Greg Jennings?

Are you thinking BMW is a btter than average WR? The guy who was out of the league cuz he sucked for a bit, that guy?Jennings failed the LHucks Eyeball test? lol... any other players that failed his test, so I know to draft them.

Jennings before the Finley injury = Jennings after the Finley injury =

I thought I sufficiently debunked this several times already.Jennings was targeted 26 times in the first 4 games, the same number as Finley. The only reason Jennings first month was bad is because he uncharacteristically only caught 12 of those 26 targets. Once his catch rate normalized, he was back to elite status. His rough start had nothing to do with Finley's presence.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Kevin Boss gets to go home to California:

Schefter via Twitter: Filed to ESPN: Raiders reached agreement with former Giants tight end Kevin Boss on a four-year, $16 million.

 

[Raider Nation]

Raider fans are nuts. I've read on their boards that they should get back at Seattle by signing Tatupu and that Miller is overrated and the guy they wanted all along was Kevin Boss. Haha okayyy

Congrats again on the Miller signing. He'll probably play a HUGE role in the one game you'll win this season.

 

[todisco1]

Raider fans are nuts. I've read on their boards that they should get back at Seattle by signing Tatupu and that Miller is overrated and the guy they wanted all along was Kevin Boss. Haha okayyy

Congrats again on the Miller signing. He'll probably play a HUGE role in the one game you'll win this season.

...and then blow up with Andrew Luck throwing him the ball?

 

[Raider Nation]

Raider fans are nuts. I've read on their boards that they should get back at Seattle by signing Tatupu and that Miller is overrated and the guy they wanted all along was Kevin Boss. Haha okayyy

Congrats again on the Miller signing. He'll probably play a HUGE role in the one game you'll win this season.

...and then blow up with Andrew Luck throwing him the ball?

One season at a time, guy. EDIT: Though it would be kind of funny seeing Carroll shove Luck down Harbaugh's throat twice a year.(If Carroll still has a job next year)

 

[finito]

I have no respect for Zach Miller. He left a good team to go play for a bad team for just a little more money. I guess that is what is really important to him. His lack of production this season is proof of the existence of karma.

lol

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I have no respect for Zach Miller. He left a good team to go play for a bad team for just a little more money. I guess that is what is really important to him. His lack of production this season is proof of the existence of karma.

lol

Reminds me of one of the last scenes in the movie "Fargo" where the female deputy is hauling in the used car dealer to the police station in the squad car. "You did all that, for a little bit of money" sigh, "and it's a beautiful day".

 

[Harjiran]

I have no respect for Zach Miller. He left a good team to go play for a bad team for just a little more money. I guess that is what is really important to him. His lack of production this season is proof of the existence of karma.

lol

Reminds me of one of the last scenes in the movie "Fargo" where the female deputy is hauling in the used car dealer to the police station in the squad car. "You did all that, for a little bit of money" sigh, "and it's a beautiful day".

She's hauling one of the kidnappers to the police station, not the used car dealer. But yeah, that's one of the best lines in a great film. And it certainly seems like Zach Miller has tossed his fantasy relevance into the crapper, and for what? Marge Gunderson: "So that was Mrs. Lundegaard on the floor in there. And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper. And those three people in Brainerd. And for what? For a little bit of money. There's more to life than a little money, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are, and it's a beautiful day. Well. I just don't understand it."

 

[DocHolliday]

Zack still has a few more years in him. Maybe next year or the year after will work out better for him. Playing for Al Davis and the circus he creates cannot be all that fun.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Zack still has a few more years in him. Maybe next year or the year after will work out better for him. Playing for Al Davis and the circus he creates cannot be all that fun.

Wow. How convenient. If anything, Zach should thank Al Davis for making him a star TE in the first place. Other similar talents like Greg Olsen have been living in the shadows hoping to be targeted like a WR1. I bet he'd be glad to go back to that "circus" now. It's a lot more fun to have a competent offense with explosive weapons. That "circus" made him what he is today. The most overpaid TE in the NFL. It's Al Davis that made Zach Miller and not the other way around. You are seeing the validation of that point with Zach's fading to anonymity.

 

[DocHolliday]

Zack still has a few more years in him. Maybe next year or the year after will work out better for him. Playing for Al Davis and the circus he creates cannot be all that fun.

Wow. How convenient. If anything, Zach should thank Al Davis for making him a star TE in the first place. Other similar talents like Greg Olsen have been living in the shadows hoping to be targeted like a WR1. I bet he'd be glad to go back to that "circus" now. It's a lot more fun to have a competent offense with explosive weapons. That "circus" made him what he is today. The most overpaid TE in the NFL. It's Al Davis that made Zach Miller and not the other way around. You are seeing the validation of that point with Zach's fading to anonymity.

I have been a Raider fan since 1977. I remember the good days with Madden, Flores, and Gruden. Davis has created a circus in the last 10 years or so. Coaches last 2 years tops since Gruden. And, Gruden left because of Davis. The Raiders have put together a good O this season for the first time since the SB disaster. However,the D is awful as usual. The run D is silly bad. The secondary is weak. The LB corp is good on paper but bad on the field. The Raiders are an 8-8 team at best. Miller left a team that is in constant dissaray. MIller is a very good TE and Davis deserves credit for drafting him. But the reason that he was targeted so much was because the Raider WR corp has been pathetic for years. As pointed out many times at this site, the Raiders have not had a FF relevant WR since Tim Brown. Ford could have been that guy last season but he was not a Davis guy. Instead of the playmaker Ford on the field, Davis has to prove he is a drafting genius by having DHB start. DHB is a WR3 or WR4 on most teams except for the Browns. Zack likely figured his chances of winning increase outside of Oakland. Seattle was a step back this year but they will likely improve in a weak division in a year or two while Davis still has Oakland a mess. I still like Miller. I hope he has success in the NFL. He gave 100% every week and was the lone bright spot many weeks.

 

[massraider]

Ford could have been that guy last season but he was not a Davis guy.

Yes, that is my first thought whenever Oakland drafts the guy with the fastest combine 40--This isn't a Davis guy.

 

[Raider Nation]

Boss had 16 more receiving yards today than Miller has in all four games this season combined.

And Gallery is out six weeks.

 

[Raider Nation]

Ford could have been that guy last season but he was not a Davis guy.

Yes, that is my first thought whenever Oakland drafts the guy with the fastest combine 40--This isn't a Davis guy.

 

[mad sweeney]

Boss had 16 more receiving yards today than Miller has in all four games this season combined.

And Gallery is out six weeks.

I think by mid-season he'll be getting much more action. He's been kept in a lot to block. As the OL gets more experienced, he'll be free to roam a lot more and the QB will have more time. Also, he has Tarvaris throwing to him, which won't be the case a year and a half into Miller's contract. But this year, Miller isn't going to have enough output to make Oakland miss him.

 

[Raider Nation]

Put me on the side that says BMW isn't an average WR, regardless of what certain ancillary stats may be.I'm relying on the LHUCKS eyeball test.

I almost missed this gem.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Wonder if he regrets it now?