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Beat writers at camp said on the radio that Breida has been the most impressive back.
I was a huge McKinnon fan last year to the point I send a late 1st for him then signed him for a 3 year contract at around 15% of my max cap. A SPARQ freak who was finally getting his chance to shine in ppr seemed like a gimme rb1. Then he tore his acl and the rest of my roster followed suit to a 2nd to last place finish with the dubious award of most players on ir.
Solid #2, not a true #1 is the basics of it. All ceiling no floor. I haven't seen him prove me wrong on my rookie evaluation yet. Chark has had the benefit of having more than a year in the league, but he's proved me wrong. McLaurin, and Chark to a lesser extent, they're more versatile than Brown has shown. I'd have him higher if this were for bestball, but not for dynasty set a lineup type of ranking.Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
You gain 3 1/2 years going from Kupp to JuJu, 2 1/2 from Hill. I think it comes down to your view on the QB's though. Worst case it's Rudolph and JuJu paired long term, I don't see that as a bad thing. Of course you have Goff with Kupp and Mahomes with Hill. Goff is just a puppet ran by McVay and although the offense is good, we've already seen glimpses of people figuring them out. Kupp is a legit talent and one I'd happily have, but him being older (came into the league at 24 I think?) and paired with Goff send him a little down the ranking.Tool said:
I would say that JJSS does not meet your definition. His productivity is down without Ben and Brown complimenting him.Zyphros said:
They're on QB3, so I'm willing to give him a pass. He's there for age purposes and previous elite production. Younger players maintain value relatively well. Especially if they are considered elite players. If you don't think he's elite then fine, I do, so he stays and gets the bump over the group of 26 year old WR's who have the same issues as he does.
This also doesn't take play style into effect. Juju is a highly athletic outside wr and that kind of play can fall off a cliff with age, while Kupp is more of a technical slot guy whose like we've seen continue to put up solid numbers as they get older esp in ppr.
JuJu and Kupp are very similarly athletic, the only difference is one had AB beside him the other didn't, he had 2 other solid WR's. They're both making their money from the slot more than outside as well. None of what you said is actually true. Stylistically, they're very similar as well. They'll both age well because of their slot presence.
Yes I've seen Corey Davis play, he looks good, his QB has been a bust. He's a guy I'll never give up on though so I'll admit he's probably a bit high. The reason he's ranked there is because he has the potential to be a #1 WR for a team. Everyone ranked ahead of him I see that potential or they have been, I don't necessarily believe Kirk, Ridley, Deebo, or Harry have that ability so he gets the nod. The Titans are arguably a worse offense than Miami, think about that for a second.
Intentionally outside the top 58 I have posted here yes
I thought the same about Shepard, but look at his numbers last year. If not for injuries this season he could possibly be on his way to 100 catches.
How is N'Keal Harry anywhere near this list he hasn't played a single meaningful down yet this season. Scary Terry in tier 4 is just too low IMO. I just don't see how JuJu is in the top tier , why , because Big Ben comes back in 2020? I don't see it, he was a good player opposite AB, without him , JuJu is a JAG.Zyphros said:
I was never a fan of speed guys to begin with. I think they're always grossly overrated. If you're not versatile you don't belong very high with me. Tyreek and Hilton are 2 in the last 5 years that have proved versatile. That's why their values are higher by the masses. Until Brown proves that (if ever, I have my doubts) he won't sniff top40 with me. As of now I see Brown as a worse version of Curtis Samuel, so that contributed a lot to how I ranked both of them.
As for Jeffery and Shepard. Jeffery is ranked basically as a WR4 which I don't see a problem with. He's not great or flashy, but can put up numbers and is the #1 on the offense. Those guys are valuable sometimes. I also put a DND on him in a startup so it's not like I would want to have him on teams.
Why is Harry, a 1st round NFL pick, arguably the best WR prospect in 2019 and injured so not being able to play or showcase his ability even ranked? I feel like I shouldn't even have to answer that.
Well your definition was players who will be in the top tier regardless of QB situation if I understood your statement correctly?
I have been this board's resident ARob hater for years but now I think I've come over to the other side and he's reached a point where he's underrated.FF Ninja said:
Fournettes at 8, what are you looking at?
I agree to an extent, I'm a little disappointed but I'm not ready to give up. I generally give a rookie running back til his rookie contract expires to show something and especially if there was an injury during that time frame so basically three to five years but after that I cut bait and draft accordingly the following year.
I've been guilty of drinking the kool-aid as well as being overly skeptical on players, but I feel like I've always been fairly centrist with a positive lean when it came to AR. For that reason I rarely ever found him on a redraft team, much less dynasty because someone was always willing to pay more, but this offseason was the first time the value proposition flipped and I acquired a ton of shares. I think he's on over 75% of my redraft teams (they're mostly auction and he almost never got bid up so I couldn't let him go cheaply). In truth, I would not have drafted him if a crystal ball told me that Chicago's passing offense would be bottom 3 right now. I had just enough faith in Nagy and Trubisky that I thought they'd continue to be mediocre, allowing AR's trend of production from his last eight healthy games to also continue. It's really a testament to his play that he's putting up top 10 numbers with a bottom 3 passing attack. This seems almost as bad as Osweiller was in Houston for Hopkins, but AR is persevering.
Golladay and AR are both free agents after next season (although pretty crazy this will be AR's third contract and Golladay's second). At age 28, they're both likely in for big pay days. I'm not sure the Bears will be able to afford to keep AR. I know a lot can change, but the Bears are projected to be the team with the 5th least amount of cap next season, so an early extension looks unlikely.
Yeah, I don't think you give up.
My definition was for the top2, the second 2 (3 and 4, JuJu and Godwin) are there for age purposes and elite production as long term stable guys. This is also based on PPR, as I think you're using non-ppr totals. He had a top10 finish last year. Top30 as a rookie in 2017.Biabreakable said:
Why is Boyd low? He's been average as the #1 without AJ Green. Granted it's just an awful team overall. He's still young and a decent talent though so he stays in the 20's for me. He's ranked with others in that fringe WR2 range. Currently the PPR WR20. Do I expect more from him on that offense? Nope. He's an uncomfortable WR2, more suited as a #3 on a fantasy team. The biggest problem for him though is he's signed through 2023. If they don't do something drastic at the QB spot he'll likely just continue plummeting down rankings boards, getting pushed down by rookies every year.kittenmittens said:
I was mistaken as I was looking at JJSS over the first 7 weeks not the full season. He finished as WR 8 last season qualifying as one top 12 season.
I'd be thrilled to trade Alshon for a second. I've been trying to trade him for three years and never even gotten a lowball offer for him.
Ben has already said he's coming back for 2020, Rudolph is a nice contingency plan just in case. I think 2020 is a last hurrah. 1 last chance to compete and go for a title.
I take a longer term approach than most to dynasty. I don't buy into the notion that a 3 year window is the max we can look out as Dynasty analysts tend to preach. I think it's highly likely that in 4 years, Tyler Boyd is still a very good 28 year old player and the 30 year olds will be out of the league or in a reduced role and have massively reduced value. One thing we know and can bank on is that dynasty value begins tanking at age 29 or 30 and declines quickly from there. Liquidity in terms of being able to trade a player for full value is more important to me than points currently being scored. If I have "cash,“ I can buy what I need.when I need it.
I'm banking on talent with Guice. I bought the last 2 years low on him, and I'll likely buy even lower this offseason. He's only 22 right now, came into the league at 20, so I feel like he was young enough that his window hasn't closed yet. As opposed to someone coming in at 24 and missing 2 years.
I do the same a lot of the time as well. The volume is there for Boyd to be good, but I don't think he ever achieves WR1 status. Even with the top10 volume he's getting right now, he's just doing ok. Part of that reason is because it's the Bengals. He's done even better historically when Green is in the lineup. I don't hate Boyd, but I don't think he's special either.
Does Gurley scare you enough to really drop to 23? and Tyreek at 10? When Mahomes has the hot hand and Tyreek being his #1 WR, its hard to see him not finish in the top 5.
Absolutely Gurley scares me. My thoughts for the rankings revolve around safety and how comfortable I view that player for the long term. That goes for both Gurley and Hill.
I completely understand this stance if you were writing it in July. To me, two major things have happened that catapult Tyreek into the top tier with those other 4 guys.
I always appreciate your insight, but can you expand on why you are so high on Mayfield? He has the weapons at his disposal but the whole scheme is not meshing well, or consistent. Maybe OL is the cause for such mediocre year, but I was a firm believe in more from his this year.
Weapons being there long term is part of it. They basically have 2 more years of everyone being locked up on offense to figure it out. O-line is a mess as well and I see that being partially fixed coming up because they're pretty set across the board. No real needs other than depth and O-line so you have to think that's a priority. I do worry that if a new coach comes in, we're seeing 3 different head coaches for Baker to start his career and it could regress him even more. Or we see a parallel like going from Mr. 8-8 Jeff Fisher to McVay for Goff and turn him into something. It could honestly go either way, but the talent is not the problem. That's why I'm still high on him. Solvable problems that you have to believe the organization will address. Has nothing to do with talent.
You're joking right? He'll be a backup before 2020 even comes to kick his ### to the curb.Wow, no Mitch Trubisky? Definitely has the potential to be a top QB
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Interesting stuff. I'm surprised to see Jackson that low, given the numbers he's putting up this year. Durability concerns, or something else?
Durability not so much a concern, he seems to be pretty smart on when to go down and not take big hits for the most part. He's proved once so far that he can pass the ball consistently and I just don't have faith in that continuing. That plus QB's are generally way more productive when they have weapons up the wazzoo. He has none, but he gets production from running. If they get him weapons, and if he continues to improve as a passer, he's arguably #3. I see Mahomes and Watson in a different class all together, cause they can run, choose to pass and are prolific doing that. Along with all the weapons they both have it's easy to separate those 2 from Lamar.
