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buddy listening to ESPN radio just called me and said its breaking news
bye bye scumbag!!!Michael Vick has been indicted by a federal grand jury in connection with the dogfighting probe of his house in Virginia.
The Falcons quarterback was indicted for conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in animal fighting venture in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District in Richmond, Va. Three others -- Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips and Tony Taylor -- also were indicted by the grand jury on the same charges.
My guese is thatFederal Gand Jury indictement =Year long suspensionhttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
I had a feeling that this thing wasn't over. Now we can start talking suspension. I think he could easily get 8 games just for being indicted, especially given the thorough and careful nature of the investigation.
I think the bad part is lying to the NFL commish re: how often he was at the place ...He is going to get suspended ...http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
I had a feeling that this thing wasn't over. Now we can start talking suspension. I think he could easily get 8 games just for being indicted, especially given the thorough and careful nature of the investigation.
Seriously doubt it. Indicted is not convicted. I know, Pacman wasn't convicted either, but his involvement was pretty clear cut and came with a laundry list of other issues. Vick has never had any prior problems, (other than giving the fans the finger). The NFL will take the wait-and-see approach on this I think. But if he's convicted, they'll bring the hammer down.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
I had a feeling that this thing wasn't over. Now we can start talking suspension. I think he could easily get 8 games just for being indicted, especially given the thorough and careful nature of the investigation.
I hope so. I have always liked Shockley.Does anyone out there think that DJ Shockley could get a shot to start in training camp? Anyone else feeling sorry for Bobby Petrino right now?
Nope. At least not IMO. Just because you are indicted does not automatically mean you are convicted.IIRC, the league waits for a player to be tried and convicted or plea bargains before they take disciplinary action. How quickly does the system of jurice prudence work in this country? Didn't Barry Bonds get indicted? Was he suspended? All that would have to happen within 6 months for a suspension to occur for this season (and that would be around the last week or two of the season). Even so, Vick could always appeal through the NFLPA and drag things out.At this point I still don't see Vick in danger of missing time from suspension (unless the Falcons want to try to do something on their own).I guess that settles Yudkin's question of VY vs. Vick.
Don't forget that Goodell had his own investigation crew on this one. If their evidence corresponds with what the Feds have found, he might be more swift to act. The zero tolerance stuff is no joke.Seriously doubt it. Indicted is not convicted. I know, Pacman wasn't convicted either, but his involvement was pretty clear cut and came with a laundry list of other issues. Vick has never had any prior problems, (other than giving the fans the finger). The NFL will take the wait-and-see approach on this I think. But if he's convicted, they'll bring the hammer down.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
I had a feeling that this thing wasn't over. Now we can start talking suspension. I think he could easily get 8 games just for being indicted, especially given the thorough and careful nature of the investigation.
I just served on a Grand Jury if he is indicted, he is in deep troubleSeriously doubt it. Indicted is not convicted. I know, Pacman wasn't convicted either, but his involvement was pretty clear cut and came with a laundry list of other issues. Vick has never had any prior problems, (other than giving the fans the finger). The NFL will take the wait-and-see approach on this I think. But if he's convicted, they'll bring the hammer down.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
I had a feeling that this thing wasn't over. Now we can start talking suspension. I think he could easily get 8 games just for being indicted, especially given the thorough and careful nature of the investigation.
That's my take on it. If nothing else, I'm sure Vick's attorneys will look to drag this out and ask for it to be continued until after the season.Would the early speculation be this will roll through the courts some time after this season?
Anyone else think "indicted on conspiracy to transport dogs used in dog-fighting" sounds like the weakest of charges possible? I am also in the camp that I think the Commish waits for a conviction here first before leveling any suspension due to what looks like a pretty weak indictment. My take is this doesn't impact Vick's games played this season.Seriously doubt it. Indicted is not convicted. I know, Pacman wasn't convicted either, but his involvement was pretty clear cut and came with a laundry list of other issues. Vick has never had any prior problems, (other than giving the fans the finger). The NFL will take the wait-and-see approach on this I think. But if he's convicted, they'll bring the hammer down.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
I had a feeling that this thing wasn't over. Now we can start talking suspension. I think he could easily get 8 games just for being indicted, especially given the thorough and careful nature of the investigation.
I feel better for Patrino, VICK HAS BEEN THE MOST OVERATED PIECE OF CRAP IN FOOTBALL PERIOD. Now the Falcons get to move on and get a QB, Harrington will be much, much better then Vick. They Can trade or draft an upgrade later. Who knows maybe Daunte goes to the Falcons, that would funny Daunte and Harrington reunited once again.Does anyone out there think that DJ Shockley could get a shot to start in training camp? Anyone else feeling sorry for Bobby Petrino right now?
overated is an understatement. Can he catch, they should put him at WR.I feel better for Patrino, VICK HAS BEEN THE MOST OVERATED PIECE OF CRAP IN FOOTBALL PERIOD. Now the Falcons get to move on and get a QB, Harrington will be much, much better then Vick. They Can trade or draft an upgrade later. Who knows maybe Daunte goes to the Falcons, that would funny Daunte and Harrington reunited once again.Does anyone out there think that DJ Shockley could get a shot to start in training camp? Anyone else feeling sorry for Bobby Petrino right now?
Yep, good timing for Culpepper to be dropped, eh? He'd fit nicely in ATL...And the one who mentioned them trading off Schaub.. I was thinking the same thing. They got rid of the wrong guy earlier this offseason...culpepper and joey ballgame reunited?
Federal indictment is no joking matter ... this is a up to three years in prison/$250k fine per violation kind of thing ...This is not a local DA charge.Anyone else think "indicted on conspiracy to transport dogs used in dog-fighting" sounds like the weakest of charges possible? I am also in the camp that I think the Commish waits for a conviction here first before leveling any suspension due to what looks like a pretty weak indictment. My take is this doen't impact Vick's games played this season.Seriously doubt it. Indicted is not convicted. I know, Pacman wasn't convicted either, but his involvement was pretty clear cut and came with a laundry list of other issues. Vick has never had any prior problems, (other than giving the fans the finger). The NFL will take the wait-and-see approach on this I think. But if he's convicted, they'll bring the hammer down.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
I had a feeling that this thing wasn't over. Now we can start talking suspension. I think he could easily get 8 games just for being indicted, especially given the thorough and careful nature of the investigation.
Dear Mdog,We thought Harrington wasn't awful as well. We were wrong.We wish you luck with that whole Daunte/Joey thing. Get ready to catch 9-6 fever!Signed, Dolphins FansI feel better for Patrino, VICK HAS BEEN THE MOST OVERATED PIECE OF CRAP IN FOOTBALL PERIOD. Now the Falcons get to move on and get a QB, Harrington will be much, much better then Vick. They Can trade or draft an upgrade later. Who knows maybe Daunte goes to the Falcons, that would funny Daunte and Harrington reunited once again.Does anyone out there think that DJ Shockley could get a shot to start in training camp? Anyone else feeling sorry for Bobby Petrino right now?
not automatically, but we're talking about the feds. it's close enough.Just because you are indicted does not automatically mean you are convicted.
As a Federal Officer I can assure you that conspiracy is not a weak charge, it can lead to many years in prison. The conspiracy charge indidcates that more than one and usually many are involved with commiting the offense. Today's environment of Animal Rights and the fact that darn near everyone has a dog could wind up getting Vick the Maximum under federal law, I believe off hand 5 years.Anyone else think "indicted on conspiracy to transport dogs used in dog-fighting" sounds like the weakest of charges possible? I am also in the camp that I think the Commish waits for a conviction here first before leveling any suspension due to what looks like a pretty weak indictment. My take is this doen't impact Vick's games played this season.Seriously doubt it. Indicted is not convicted. I know, Pacman wasn't convicted either, but his involvement was pretty clear cut and came with a laundry list of other issues. Vick has never had any prior problems, (other than giving the fans the finger). The NFL will take the wait-and-see approach on this I think. But if he's convicted, they'll bring the hammer down.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
I had a feeling that this thing wasn't over. Now we can start talking suspension. I think he could easily get 8 games just for being indicted, especially given the thorough and careful nature of the investigation.
impact to Dunn / Norwoord and ATL WR's ???????
It's all about interstate commerce when the Feds get involved. The significance of that charge is that any subsequent charges to be filed that are involved with this are automatically federal crimes. Remember integration? Key component in all of that.I think this could be disastrous for Vick legally, and if he is guilty of what people say he is then he deserves it. But seriously, if he is found guilty of gambling on dog-fighting, chances are any winnings/losses were not reported on his taxes, and if the amounts he is accused of betting are even close to true, we could easily be talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. Throw that on top of the money-laundering (obviously would have to funnel his winnings into something), cruelty to animals, participation in a known illegal gambling ring across state lines, and of course the federal AND state laws specifically against dogfighting, and dude could conceivably be looking at 15-20 years in jail.Anyone else think "indicted on conspiracy to transport dogs used in dog-fighting" sounds like the weakest of charges possible? I am also in the camp that I think the Commish waits for a conviction here first before leveling any suspension due to what looks like a pretty weak indictment. My take is this doen't impact Vick's games played this season.Seriously doubt it. Indicted is not convicted. I know, Pacman wasn't convicted either, but his involvement was pretty clear cut and came with a laundry list of other issues. Vick has never had any prior problems, (other than giving the fans the finger). The NFL will take the wait-and-see approach on this I think. But if he's convicted, they'll bring the hammer down.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
I had a feeling that this thing wasn't over. Now we can start talking suspension. I think he could easily get 8 games just for being indicted, especially given the thorough and careful nature of the investigation.
Dear Mdog,We thought Harrington wasn't awful as well. We were wrong.We wish you luck with that whole Daunte/Joey thing. Get ready to catch 9-6 fever!Signed, Dolphins FansI feel better for Patrino, VICK HAS BEEN THE MOST OVERATED PIECE OF CRAP IN FOOTBALL PERIOD. Now the Falcons get to move on and get a QB, Harrington will be much, much better then Vick. They Can trade or draft an upgrade later. Who knows maybe Daunte goes to the Falcons, that would funny Daunte and Harrington reunited once again.Does anyone out there think that DJ Shockley could get a shot to start in training camp? Anyone else feeling sorry for Bobby Petrino right now?
The feds were involved with Jamal Lewis and he was not suspended until AFTER the case, not before or during it IIRC.not automatically, but we're talking about the feds. it's close enough.Just because you are indicted does not automatically mean you are convicted.