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I never said he sucked.And how did the team get behind? Was it all just the defense's fault?Face it...Cutler was not getting it done early in the game either.I never said he sucked...but when he is playing bad...its bad.Its ok to admit it.
The Bengals scored on their first 7 possessions.Drive by drive.1) Bengals already up by 7.Cutler drives the Bears into Cinci territory....only to have forte get stopped for no gain, have a RB screen sniffed out for a 4 yard loss, and then a 3rd and 14 not converted(go figure).2)Bengals up by 14.Cutler sacked for a ten yard loss on 1st down, 3rd down a low snap got bobbled and Cutler ran for a couple yards.3)Bengals up by 21.Cutler drove the Bears into Cinci territory only to have Hester fumble the ball over to the Bengals.4)Bengals up by 28.Cutler throws a slant to Bennett that got tipped in the air by deflection then helmet(all his fault right?).5)Bengals up by 31.Cutler drives the Bears down to the 4, right before the half and they have to kick a FG.Halftime 31-3.Finished the game 26/37 for 251 1 TD and 3 INT's(which is all your looking at).sho nuff said:
So the most important position on the field had no impact for the first half? Yikes!
From watching every play of the first half, it was a combination of lots of pressure, no running game and no open WRs. Now, I couldn't always see the WRs farther downfield (victim of the camera on the field) but when he threw to guys there were mere inches of space. Having picked up Cincy's DST last week, I didn't expect it to be pretty with their LBs and corners. I just didn't think the Bears oline WOULD SUCK SO BAD with Odom out. No f'ing time...
Did he need the oline and WRs excused in Denver?!
I think Kool-Aid Larry was referring to 2008.
orton was actually in chicago last year.
Is that what I said? But if you watched the game or looked at the play by play....you would've seen the above. Don't think I added in any biased comment.
Eh, read it backwards. Orton had a few things different last year - - a better D- surprise factor as new starting QB - surprise factor RB in Forte- better performing olineAnd all that said, I'll have to look up Orton's passer rating and see if he ever had passer ratings higher than Cutler's were in games 2-6 this year. Orton had a few solid early games but once teams figured him out, it was Forte and defense or bust for our wins.I don't understand why the oline is so much worse this year but it's farse worse and that's not arguable. Teams are stacking the line and shadowing Forte so dump-offs to him don't work like they used to. On occassion, this means that Cutler can burn the 1 on 1 coverage on guys like Knox, Olsen, etc. However, against a team with really strong CBs like Cincy and in a "must pass" scenario, Knox and co. just aren't good enough WRs to beat the coverage.
I think we're just talking regular old football in here. Cutler stinks. I watched the game.
not even close?!? All the turnovers he had early in the game led to points for Cinci, till the game was out of reach. He was as much at fault today as the D. And actually, his mistakes led to the D having their back against the wall, so IMO he was far more the reason for the loss then the D...gigantor said:
I agree with you. Well not quite, he dosn't stink, but he's not the franchise QB some are trying to label him as. His stats and strong arm have blinded some into believing he's more than he is. He reminds me of Aaron Brooks. Rifle arm, can make every throw, but makes terrible decisions and struggles with adversity.
I am not a Cutler fan, he used to frustrate the bujeebus out of me when he was here in Denver. It's true, he doesn't make good decisions, he tries to force to many balls into coverage instead of progressing through his reads and dumping the ball off etc. etc.All that being said, he is way better than someone like Aaron Brooks. He just needs to learn how to do some of the little things and mature as a QB, and we'll be talking about him being similar to a Big Ben type, not Aaron Brooks.
Cutler had NOTHING to do with Palmer dissecting the Bears to perfection in the first half.
Do you have any faith in him learning how to do the little things and mature as a QB? Also, Brooks was absolutely incredible at times. He had a cannon and would make throws that would boggle the mind. His strong arm gave him a long leash, and his potential made alot of Saints fans look past the little things he just never picked up. I'm standing by my comparison as the similarities are there. The shine will wear off eventually and Cutler will be run out of town.
So the defense stunk as well. The point is Cutler is not who the Chicagoans thought he was.It sure does make sense to blame a QB for a loss in which your team was outrushed 215-35.
I'm calling BS right now. Way to build a fictitious straw man. Rex was constantly torn apart in Chicago and you've been trying to stir it up with an obvious bias all throughout this thread.
The fact that you somehow pulled something about "Chicagoans" thoughts on Cutler out of Ghost Rider's very honest post shows nothing but your obnoxious bias.So the defense stunk as well. The point is Cutler is not who the Chicagoans thought he was.It sure does make sense to blame a QB for a loss in which your team was outrushed 215-35.Let's face it, Cutler did not play well today, but the whole Bears team did not play well. The team as a whole did not look prepared or ready to play today, and that is on the coaching staff. When a whole team plays that poorly, that tells you that the coaching staff did a terrible job in the week leading up to the game. How you play on Sunday is a result of how you practice and how prepared you are.
That didn't really have a lot to do with his post. I see nothing wrong with his post and don't really disagree with it. My point is Cutler is not the Pro Bowl leader Chicago thought they were getting. I have no biasThe fact that you somehow pulled something about "Chicagoans" thoughts on Cutler out of Ghost Rider's very honest post shows nothing but your obnoxious bias.So the defense stunk as well. The point is Cutler is not who the Chicagoans thought he was.It sure does make sense to blame a QB for a loss in which your team was outrushed 215-35.
So the offense put up 3 points in the first half...and none of that is Cutler's fault right...just the defense.
Great insight, here I posted a mostly unbiased summary of the first half drives and that is all you gained from it.yes some of it is cutlers fault.Having Cinci score 4 td's on their first 4 possessions makes it tough to keep up with.Cutler drove them into cinci territory on 3 of 5 drives.....but its all his fault.Sho nuff your a homer that makes tool comments, post something constructive(like a drive by drive chart).
A drive by drive chart...showing that the offense was not running well...you proved my point...he was not playing all that well, neither was the defense...and then he fell completely apart as well.Call it toolish...but the only one being a tool in this thread has been you.I never claimed it was all his fault either. Just that he did not play all that well.And none of your summary has been unbiased at all. You are just as much the homer as I am...and nothing about my homerism made me conclude that he is an improved version of Rex. (and just for your information, another poster has made the comparison as well in a way...perhaps you should start calling him a tool as well, or all that disagree with you).
how about you explain to me why orton was the fall guy on that team last year, while this year it'd everybody's fault BUT the qb.people were jumping up and down peeing themselves because of this qb switch, now everybody's saying it's all the surroundng team that matters when cutler throws 11 picks and takes 15 sacks, while orton leads the nfl in 4th quarter qb rating.if you think peyton manning and brady don't take many sacks, or throw many picks simply due to their offense lines, you're out of your mind.mbuehner said:
Before the season, weren't most people claiming that the Bears were a Super Bowl contender? People were saying that they had a stout defense which would be made even better, because Cutler would open up the offense allowing Forte to have an even better year, as teams could no longer stack the box. This was supposed to allow them to control the clock, and keep the defense fresh. Instead, Cutler is on pace for 25 Ints (one more and he matches Orton's total for the entire previous year) putting the defense in many precarious situations, and people claim that it is everyone else fault besides Cutler. He can do no wrong! On the other hand, last year it was all Orton's fault, despite the struggles of the Bear's D, O-Line, etc. I still think he is one of the better QBs in the league, but this start is certainly auspicious for his future.
Yup...and the Oline was not great last year either. It was pretty bad.
Except for overeager Bears fans, most of whom were busting a nut over finally have a possible franchise QB, I don't think so. I hardly saw anyone putting them in their top tier of NFC Super Bowl contenders. Cutler has struggled at times this season, but I think most who have seen their games know that they need a lot of help, but as always, when a team loses, the QB takes most of the blame, just like how a QB gets much of the praise when they win.
I guess my memory was clouded by Gridiron Assassin's thread stating that the Bears were going to the NFC Championship Game at least, and maybe the Super Bowl. Although there are a few who agree with this, as you say, they are mainly Bears fans, and most claimed they were going to only be a playoff team. However, the argument that Cutler would open up the run game for Forte is all over the place. Also, looking at the criticisms of the Alphoso Smith trade, many people say the Bear's are going to pick in the late 20s, which qualifies as a Super Bowl contender.
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Because the o-line is significantly worse this year? Exhibit A- Forte's production compared to last year.
Orton isn't playing behind this O-line. For that matter, Cutler STILL has a better QB rating so far than Orton had last season, not to mention adding almost a hundred yards and a touch with his feet. Orton's been hit 15 times this season, Cutler's been hit 30... and that's not taking into account the fact that Cutler can escape far better than Orton.
Are you seriously considering any Indy or NE offensive line in the last 10 years to this Bears line? Have you been watching? There are D-lineman running through like a turnstyle every single play. I'm not talking about the occasional break-down, I'm talking about wholesale collapse play after play. Bears weren't spectacular last years, but they weren't nearly this bad.
