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HC Bill Belichick, (4 Viewers)
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Where are the cameras?
<<<<< Said by everyone on these boards to that statement.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Haha yeah....
"Hey other teams who copy success. We are totally definitely using a negative amount of analytics."
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rockaction
Footballguy
So crusty.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I honestly don't know how to do this comparison. My view of historical place of coaches is based on how they changed the game so I view Paul Brown as the inventor of modern football and therefore the greatest coach of all time, followed by Belichick and Bill Walsh for similar reasons for their contributions to changing the game. I don't think particularly much about the Lombardi's and Landry's of the world beyond "really good football coach".
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Seems like a total waste then to have that analytics guy sitting in the booth in constant radio chatter with BB during games for the last 20 years. Ernie Adams is the most important cog to the Patriots' success that everyone always forgets about.
nightmare
Footballguy
The article was about using analytics on one play call. I think coaches use it more for game scripting or player on player matchups.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Exactly. Basically was asked if he used analytics for fourth down and two-point decisions. That is what elicited the "less than zero" click bait. Said it's too dependent on the unique game situation to rely on irrelevant historical data.
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
I love how reporters still believe that BB answers questions honestly.
BB will never tip his hand to any possible competitive advantage.
nightmare
Footballguy
I think all the teams use analytics. Do you think Belichick uses it for a single play call?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
parrot
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Its amazing how dumb pretty much all the other coaches are. None of them have learned anything from him.
Including subbing in 2nd string RBs. Its the coycat league for a reason. The only problem is that they haven't figured out that Brady skills allow the Pats to have a bevy of 2nd rate RBs. All can do everything when they are in there. Run, pass block and catch out of the backfield. So here we have teams subbing out their #1 RB for their inferior #2 RB because they've seen Belicheck successfully do it and win year after year. If the Pats never had the success they have had, the RB position would still be stud 3 down RB across the NFL.
This tells the story.
When Ngakoue saw running back Giovani Bernard in the game, he figured Cincinnati was going to throw a screen pass and got in position to pick it off.
''I noticed when (Bernard) was in the game, they were looking to pass,'' Ngakoue said. ''And when it was (Joe Mixon), they were looking to run. So I thought it was going to be a screen.''
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not sure I totally buy into this one. NE has generally figured out how to get a lot of production for very little money. Their total yardage / total touchdowns from the RB is at or near the top of the league.
If people want to say they have figured out how best to spend their cap dollars and that having a high priced RB isn’t necessary to win, then sure. I don’t think Brady has that big an impact on the RB numbers. Other teams should be able to run screens, outlets, dump offs, wheel routes, and have backs play in the slot or line up on the outside.
whole-show
Footballguy
Bossman
Footballguy
This article makes it seem like BB took the penalty to burn clock. He actually was looking to give his punter more room.Faust said:
(ball was at NYJ 32 yd line as I recall). Punt to the end zone would net 12 yards.
imo, BB was dissappointed Gase declined the penalty ... so that's when the false start was in order.
BB could have kept calling for a false start until the refs called them for unsportsmanlike, 15 yards and reset the clock. Then his punter would have had room.
... had it been a closer game, guarantee that's what he's smiling about.
Could you imagine if another coach did this to HIM?
Scenario; AFC Championship game, Pats down by 14 to KC, 4th qtr, with 7 mins on the clock KC gets it to the Pats 38. Delay of game. False start. False start, False start.
1 play, 2 mins come off the clock, and they punt it inside the 20. I'm thinking BB's head would explode right there on the sidelines.
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rockaction
Footballguy
These teams have specialty backs that can't do it all and basically announce the type of play they're going to run by being out there for the snap at all.Anarchy99 said:
It's like James White and Sony Michel are getting to be. (I kid, but Sony, despite the slightest of upticks in the passing game is still out there to run the football or run play action.)
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
What would have been even better IMO is if AFTER burning 1:27 of clock and jets declining multi penalties is if Belichick had run Nugent out there to kick a 50 yard FG. THAT would have been SO awesome
tombonneau
Footballguy
Bossman
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing when NYJ declined the second penalty. Just kick the dang FG then.
long FG after 2 declined penalties would have made Gase look like a complete imbecile there ... burned 1:27 on one play and at 36-0 Bill would be smilin away
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Perhaps Gase wanted to burn the clock so he could just get his team out of there?
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Insoxicated
I have ZERO doubt this uptick in Sony’s passing action early season vs weak opponents is purely to buy equity in pass/rush split analytics later this season when it counts.
ABSOLUTELY something Bill would do. Which is awesome.
Same reason why he’s giving so little intel on the defensive side... he doesn't HAVE to. Zero / Zero Bluff is all this unit NEEDS to do vs these teams. Late season data on NE tendencies will be ####.
He knows how teams make their decisions these days. He’s deliberately using the first half of this season to poison that dataset for later in the year.
It’s brilliant, and it’s why he’s the GOAT.
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Morton Muffley
Footballguy
I honestly think there is a decent chance THAT Belichick was smiling because one of his coaches suggested over the headset that maybe they:I was thinking the same thing when NYJ declined the second penalty. Just kick the dang FG then.
long FG after 2 declined penalties would have made Gase look like a complete imbecile there ... burned 1:27 on one play and at 36-0 Bill would be smilin away
1. Kick the FG now
Or
2. Take ANOTHER false start and burn MORE clock
Think about, Belichick likely wasn't smiling about what head ALREADY done. He was likely smiling about what more he COULD do!
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'm not sure Belichik really did anything here. This is Gase's fault. Does he not know the clock will reset? The decision to back the team up to get more room to punt is as old a decision as it gets, we've all seen it a thousand times. Who declines that penalty? BB just wanted the 5 damn yards and all Gase did was manage to get his team stuck on the 14 yard line and kill a minute off the clock. BB is just laughing at Gase here not his own genius. Hopefully they don't change this rule, screw HC's who can't figure this out.Faust said:
What's also interesting to me is that the exact same thing happened in week 3. Jets stopped the Pats on 3rd, the Pats went to punt from the 40 - took a DOG penalty to back up to the 45, and then took another false start penalty - again by Bolden - to back it up to the 50. But Gase took those penalties.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I hear ya,
I see your 17 pages on BB, and I raise you the 266 pages on Josh Gordon LOL
why for each?
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Another ironclad reason we should institute mandatory drug testing to sports media personalities.
TZM
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I think it's clear he meant the best "young" coach, as he did point out how many thought it was McVay, but now it appears to be Shanahan.
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Belichick is the single greatest competitive advantage in the NFL. He’s playing a different game than everyone else.
rockaction
Footballguy
Did anybody see the Herald and Rotoworld's blurb about his son, Steve, calling the defense this year?
That's staggering.
That's staggering.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I still think the man behind the curtain is BB. His son may be calling the plays, but BB is the one that breaks down the film and sets up the situational game plan. IMO, that’s like having the answers to the test before the exam. All you need to do is put the answer to the question.
It’s also clear (to me anyway) that the rapid turnover in head coaches and the new crop of QBs in the league is only adding fuel to the BB fire. New coaches and QBs are ill equipped to beat NE. Even the established coaches struggle. Add in that Brady can read defenses at the line better than anyone else in the league and that has driven the NE revival the past 5 years.
rockaction
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
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Don Hutson
Footballguy
I would love to watch Belichick start over from scratch with a new team. Watching him develop young talent and maybe struggle for a couple of years would be fascinating.
