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I am not unemployed however I have never had the opportunity to teach full time either. So, in a way, I am unemployed for the profession I went to school for to enhance my career opportunities.
My guess is of the 9% plus of unemployed people just a few of them are ex-Teachers who would LOVE to take their jobs..So who are you gonna replace them with if you fire them?Pathetic.They should be fired.Agree with everything you've said. With Madison schools closing today (40% of teachers called in sick), expect to see many teachers and students at the capital today, haven't seen any news footage yet. It's interesting to see the public employee vs. private employee sentiment that is going on in the state. A couple months back there were a couple of articles in local papers pointing out the public employee benefit/pay packages and how they compare to private employees and it was slanted towards: the private employees are taking pay cuts and have to pay for benefits so the public should too. Will be interesting to see if this bill gets passed and if so, what ramifications there will be for those approving it. Many angry people in Wisconsin today.
Yea, "We're here for the kids" is a load of
Wisconsin is not a "right to work" state. If you have a public sector job you are in a union and paying union dues from day one. The unions are crapping themselves because this bill would stop that. If you want to be in a union and pay union dues, fine. If you don't, also fine. Messing with the union money is what they're most fearful of.
Is somebody arguing with that?Collective bargaining is not a "right" under most definitions of the word that I know. It is, however, something that developed organically as a part of a free market economy. I take it that you support this government intrusion into this naturally occurring economic phenomenon?
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-...it?render=printBy Paul Neuberger, Madison Political Buzz Examiner
some of them that is a big
Why work hard if you know that short of killing someone you'll continue to have a job thanks to the tenure.
I'd take a teaching job (at what I make today) if it were available to me. There won't be a shortage of teachers.My guess is of the 9% plus of unemployed people just a few of them are ex-Teachers who would LOVE to take their jobs..So who are you gonna replace them with if you fire them?
Why??
And it is the Union resources so who cares??Make them renew it each year. Let the workers decide if it is worth the dues.
And my post had to do with the second half of the phrase you quoted.
It's not just the union's resources. Every vote will be accompanied by a campaign, which burns resources of all the stakeholders. Moreover, this will necessarily result in the negotiation of one-year contracts, which significantly increases the costs of bargaining (assuming there would be any bargaining at all).Why??And it is the Union resources so who cares??Make them renew it each year. Let the workers decide if it is worth the dues.
The leader of the Wisconsin teacher's union referred to a "God-given right to join a real union", and virtually everyone involved has said that Walker is attempting to remove "workers' rights".
The reason my response was in the form of a question was because I did not know the answer. I was guessing. If this is the wrong answer, hopefully you can explain what the right one is. TIA
That's the guy I mentioned earlier.
That didn't take long.
I'm glad they're willing to compromise and I hope the governor takes them up on it. But this language is, IMO, pretty unfortunate. So now God granted people the right to collective bargaining agreements?
Beck is truly an idiot.Fox reports from the capital and gets chant "Fox lies"
I thought they were decent during this segment
But then there is this too-
Beck: "It Is From The Fabian Socialists And The Progressives That We Get The Death Camps In Germany In The 1930s".
I believe it was in the Book of Job
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Where were you when I created the first real union?
I don't think it is depressing at all. As someone who wants to earn a position as a teacher in this state, the union has done nothing for me or young teachers at all. The schools are making a fundamental change, updates, to schools in technology and many teachers do not know how to use it. I shock students when I talk about technology with them because it is rare that teachers do. The union have not helped me at all therefore, if given the chance, I will pay 12% for my benefits for the ability to walk into a school and teach.Walker is saying what should be said.
Walker did an outstanding job with the press conference.
What's depressing to me is that he's not willing to accept a compromise. If he asked for the cuts but was willing to keep collective bargaining, he'd get a deal and everyone would be happy. This argument about giving the local governments more power makes no sense, because the unions will negotiate with the local governments too rather than deal with layoffs. Walker can get every budget number he wants, but he's trying to permanently end the power of the unions, and that's not right, IMO. Take the compromise.
He spoke well and made some points. But the result is terrible.Walker did an outstanding job with the press conference.
Do you guys want your budget cuts, or do you just want to crush the unions?Walker did an outstanding job with the press conference.
The bolded is what is needed to happen. From my point of view, the unions have done very little for the people they "protect", the people of the state (who they work for) and especially the students.
2nd year teacher here who had difficulty finding a full-time teaching job as well. Ended up having to cross the border and am teaching at a charter school in St Paul. With that said, I am very frustrated with Walker as the current governor. Seems like he is trying to play more of a political game than look out for the best interest of all Wisconsinites. It is reasonable that when the economy is down for public employees to take a reduction in benefits and frozen or reduced salaries. But i find it very annoying that Walker is picking and choosing the professions based on which political ideology they tend to lean. For this reason, I think the guy is a ##### and won't trust him for a word he says...
How so? By finally addressing a problem that unions have created and it is affecting states and businesses across the country? We all know we can't contiunue down this road and at some point it had to be addressed.He spoke well and made some points. But the result is terrible.Walker did an outstanding job with the press conference.
But that's not an emergency issue. The emergency issue is the budget. Walker is trying to use the budget crisis to crush the unions. This doesn't seem right to me. He can get what Wisconsin needs without having to do this.
What do you expect the union to do to get you a job?
Do you want to pay a reasonable amount for your benefits or you want the state to collapse on itself???There will be no union to crush, if the state goes into bankruptcy...He is actually saving the unions, from themselves...Do you guys want your budget cuts, or do you just want to crush the unions?Walker did an outstanding job with the press conference.
Walker did an outstanding job with the press conference.
I also find it very ironic that the Democratic senators who are AWOL are saying that they want to slow the process down so they can discuss it. Right after Walker won the November elections, and the Republicans gained control over both the state senate and assembly, the Democrats who were in control at the time tried ramming through a new agreement with the state workers before they lost control. They even went so far as to get an assemblyman out of jail who was serving time for a DWI because they needed his vote.
Yeah, I can see that and understand your points. Personally, I really wish the police and fire professions were in this as well. I understand why and one point is because if all three were included, then Madison would be going through hell right now, big time. I think, hope, the police and fire find ways to compromise along with what this bill is about. If those two make some concessions... great. If those two do not, I wish they would step up.
No it doesn't. What has to be addressed is the budget problem. If you can't afford to pay union scales or pensions, what you do is go back and renegotiate with the unions- they have shown a willingness to do this. What you don't do is go to war with them and try and end collective bargaining. It is undemocratic, IMO.How so? By finally addressing a problem that unions have created and it is affecting states and businesses across the country? We all know we can't contiunue down this road and at some point it had to be addressed.He spoke well and made some points. But the result is terrible.Walker did an outstanding job with the press conference.
I don't expect the union to do anything to get me a job. At the same time though, the union needs and should look out for all of its members and future members as well. Keeping class ratios high with fewer teachers in favor of higher pay for its current members does not help the people the union is working for which is the people of the state. Yes, the union works for the teachers however they are using tax payer money and thus also work for the people of the state. They need to look out for the best of the state and the students and its members.
What unions are you talking about? If he wanted to crush the unions why isn't he including the policmen, firefighters, or other unions. He can't get Wisconsin what they need without this? What part of massive layoffs don't you understand?
I would find this comment very funny, if it were a complete sentence...The state won't go into bankruptcy, because the unions are willing to agree to the governor's budget demands...Do you want to pay a reasonable amount for your benefits or you want the state to collapse on itself???There will be no union to crush, if the state goes into bankruptcy...He is actually saving the unions, from themselves...Do you guys want your budget cuts, or do you just want to crush the unions?Walker did an outstanding job with the press conference.
You tell me why he isn't including the police or firefighters. And again, why are massive layoffs needed if the unions are willing to agree to his budget cuts?
Answer the damn question! You say he wants to crush the unions! Which unions is he including in this bill? How many unions? Since you seem to act like you know so tell us. Also, if you just watched his press conference he stated why layoffs will happen if it doesn't pass. It's clear you don't have any idea on this since you didn't even know some kids were dependent on schools for hot lunches.
