I don't see this at all. Thomas is a tough runner but Ingram runs with more burst, better vision, and elusiveness IMO. Its still early and I think Ingram is going to separate himself. Thomas is more comfortable obviously in passing downs and is a decent receiver, but Ingram I bet will grow into that role too.Ingram owner and I agree with this....for now. I didn't draft him as a starter and I can afford to be patient. Things change quickly in the NFL.Pierre Thomas runs better than ingram
This bugs me more than anything. Ingram's value clearly lies in TD's, and everyone was touting him as THE redzone back (at least on 1st & 2nd down). If Thomas gets carries inside the 5 this year Ingram is no more than a flex play at best.He was in there to milk the game. He got some passes (although a LB was there to blow it up both times). So it's looking better for Ingram owners. But it's a definite ugly RBBC situation. Thomas got a goal line carry and Sproles keeps showing he deserves more touches.
This... Amazing how every week is against a top defense as well. Funny how this was supposed to be a break out week (and I guess it was a break out week as Ingram hit his ceiling this week), however, now, people are even saying they faced a top defense this week (lol). I still have hope for him but don't get yourself fooled, this will not be be a Clinton Portis break out year. Denver did not have 2 (better) RB's on their roster at the time. Not saying Thomas and Sproles will be better long-term, but both will be better this year, and they both have looked much better YTD.Just way too many carries to go around on a pass-first offense (where Ingram is yet to get positive yardage -- congrats (i guess) if you have him in PPR.3rd week in a row ive heard thisI thought he looked very good with the carries he got. Saints got down early which took him out of the game. When Saints play with a lead they will feed him the ball much more I think. Plus, he may get more involved in the passing game which will allow him to stay in the game more. I wouldn't write him off as a bust yet.
The Saints just didn't run that much. Ingram had 9 carries to Pierre's 7. It turned into the Brees show b/c it was a shootout.This... Amazing how every week is against a top defense as well. Funny how this was a break out week, now it is a top defense week. I still have hope for him but don't get yourself fooled, this will note be a Clinton Portis break out year. Denver did not have 2 (better) RB's on their roster at the time. Not saying Thomas and Sproles will be better long-term, but both will be better this year.3rd week in a row ive heard thisI thought he looked very good with the carries he got. Saints got down early which took him out of the game. When Saints play with a lead they will feed him the ball much more I think. Plus, he may get more involved in the passing game which will allow him to stay in the game more. I wouldn't write him off as a bust yet.
This is normal, and to be expected, and it is not going to change.The Saints just didn't run that much. Ingram had 9 carries to Pierre's 7. It turned into the Brees show b/c it was a shootout.This... Amazing how every week is against a top defense as well. Funny how this was a break out week, now it is a top defense week. I still have hope for him but don't get yourself fooled, this will note be a Clinton Portis break out year. Denver did not have 2 (better) RB's on their roster at the time. Not saying Thomas and Sproles will be better long-term, but both will be better this year.3rd week in a row ive heard thisI thought he looked very good with the carries he got. Saints got down early which took him out of the game. When Saints play with a lead they will feed him the ball much more I think. Plus, he may get more involved in the passing game which will allow him to stay in the game more. I wouldn't write him off as a bust yet.
Yep, they are like the Patriots in this regard. Ingram really just seems like a bad fit for the Saints.I do think he is a good back who could be producing for a team that likes to ground and pound.New Orleans is not committed to running the ball, it's really that simple. Until they sep rotating their backs every other play and give them 2-3 drives in a row to do something I don't thing will improve beyond a little here and a little there...no fluidity in the running game.
it doesnt matter how pierre looks or even how ingram looks. the coaching staff is heavily committed and will do everything in their power to prop up ingram. buy buy buy.Ingram owner and I agree with this....for now. I didn't draft him as a starter and I can afford to be patient. Things change quickly in the NFL.Pierre Thomas runs better than ingram
Wow.it doesnt matter how pierre looks or even how ingram looks. the coaching staff is heavily committed and will do everything in their power to prop up ingram. buy buy buy.Ingram owner and I agree with this....for now. I didn't draft him as a starter and I can afford to be patient. Things change quickly in the NFL.Pierre Thomas runs better than ingram
it doesnt matter how pierre looks or even how ingram looks. the coaching staff is heavily committed and will do everything in their power to prop up ingram. buy buy buy.Ingram owner and I agree with this....for now. I didn't draft him as a starter and I can afford to be patient. Things change quickly in the NFL.Pierre Thomas runs better than ingram
Which makes their decision to trade up for this guy all the more curiousYep, they are like the Patriots in this regard. Ingram really just seems like a bad fit for the Saints.I do think he is a good back who could be producing for a team that likes to ground and pound.New Orleans is not committed to running the ball, it's really that simple. Until they sep rotating their backs every other play and give them 2-3 drives in a row to do something I don't thing will improve beyond a little here and a little there...no fluidity in the running game.
I think the Saints could probably trade A RB for defensive help.I read were Ivory is running well and they fully expect him to be full go when he comes off the PUP list, wonder how that will break up the running game. Ivory was a rookie last year but didn't really run like one when given the chance. Video reminders:Short one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VegZv616YxwLong one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmYPj9a_bF8If he comes back to this form, he will still be the best runner on the Saints, regardless of draft position.
oh please give me a breakI read were Ivory is running well and they fully expect him to be full go when he comes off the PUP list, wonder how that will break up the running game. Ivory was a rookie last year but didn't really run like one when given the chance. Video reminders:Short one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VegZv616YxwLong one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmYPj9a_bF8If he comes back to this form, he will still be the best runner on the Saints, regardless of draft position.
incorrecthttp://whodatdish.com/2011/09/20/chris-ivory-is-ready-for-his-return-to-new-orleans-saints/Just for the record, Chris Ivory was not put on the PUP list, he was put on IR. He iis not playing at all this season.So Chris Ivory will have no effect on Ingram or any other Saint RB this year.
Ivory is one dimensional as a RB. what pierre, ingram and sproles can add to the passing game makes ivory less than useful. i think there is a chance pierre gets traded but it's pretty slim. did bell make it back onto the practice squad?As an aside, if Chris Ivory is close to returning, I wonder if trading Pierre becomes a viable option? He really is unnecessary and I'm sure a team like Detroit or Arizona would love to have him. Of course, the Saints probably don't want to trade him to a conference team. They could trade him to the Chiefs, but are the Chiefs really going to do anything other than play for the number 1 pick? Much like last year in Buffalo, Lynch leaving in a trade opened the door for bigtime playing time for Fred Jackson. I wonder if a trade of Pierre is in the works or a possibility.
getting lit up by two of the best offenses in the league isn't anything to be ashamed of. that said, i think the playcalling would be different if the saints were playing with a lead early in the game. they haven't had the wind at their back in the first quarter in a game this season.ETA - the saints defense seemed to make adjustments in the second half in both the GB and Houston games. it will get better for them. they had one of the better defenses, statistically, last year and i have no reason to expect anything different by season's end.Two things working against Ingram for 2011:
1. Sproles emergence. I don't think anyone expected him to be so good. But he's explosive and is playing like the Saints always hoped Reggie Bush would.
2. Porous defense. The Saints couldn't stop Green Bay and they couldn't stop Houston. They have to get this defense fixed. If they are involved in shoot-outs all year, don't expect Ingram to have a great year.
This.getting lit up by two of the best offenses in the league isn't anything to be ashamed of. that said, i think the playcalling would be different if the saints were playing with a lead early in the game. they haven't had the wind at their back in the first quarter in a game this season.Two things working against Ingram for 2011:
1. Sproles emergence. I don't think anyone expected him to be so good. But he's explosive and is playing like the Saints always hoped Reggie Bush would.
2. Porous defense. The Saints couldn't stop Green Bay and they couldn't stop Houston. They have to get this defense fixed. If they are involved in shoot-outs all year, don't expect Ingram to have a great year.
Yep, look at the next 6 weeks for NOJAX (16)This.getting lit up by two of the best offenses in the league isn't anything to be ashamed of. that said, i think the playcalling would be different if the saints were playing with a lead early in the game. they haven't had the wind at their back in the first quarter in a game this season.Two things working against Ingram for 2011:
1. Sproles emergence. I don't think anyone expected him to be so good. But he's explosive and is playing like the Saints always hoped Reggie Bush would.
2. Porous defense. The Saints couldn't stop Green Bay and they couldn't stop Houston. They have to get this defense fixed. If they are involved in shoot-outs all year, don't expect Ingram to have a great year.
I agree. made no sense. would of made more sense to grab someone for the defense.Which makes their decision to trade up for this guy all the more curiousYep, they are like the Patriots in this regard. Ingram really just seems like a bad fit for the Saints.I do think he is a good back who could be producing for a team that likes to ground and pound.New Orleans is not committed to running the ball, it's really that simple. Until they sep rotating their backs every other play and give them 2-3 drives in a row to do something I don't thing will improve beyond a little here and a little there...no fluidity in the running game.
Guys a bust. The Ingram last name and playing on a dominant college team got him over-drafted. 3rd-4th round talent who went way too early relative to his talent level.'flapgreen said:Bum.
Three games in and he's a bust?Guys a bust. The Ingram last name and playing on a dominant college team got him over-drafted. 3rd-4th round talent who went way too early relative to his talent level.'flapgreen said:Bum.
I disagree. I dont see why you were high on him after 2 weeks and now his best game, in a shootout, makes you think otherwise. They have a cakewalk the next 6 weeks where the Saints should be up comfortably in most of the games. I dont think the Saints will run 3 times and punt when theyre up 10-14 points, but I do think Ingram will get considerably more work when games are going like that. If we are at week 8-9 and Ingram is still just 50-60yds and a TD 1 out of every 3 games, I'll agree with you, but I think his touches and TD opps will increase noticeably over the next month and a half.I was high on Ingram before the season, I was still high on him after week 1, and even week 2. I'm no longer high on him. It's obvious the Saints have no interest in establishing the run. For the people that think once the Saints get in games where they can control the clock with the lead they'll start feeding Ingram, I disagree.
I disagree. I dont see why you were high on him after 2 weeks and now his best game, in a shootout, makes you think otherwise. They have a cakewalk the next 6 weeks where the Saints should be up comfortably in most of the games. I dont think the Saints will run 3 times and punt when theyre up 10-14 points, but I do think Ingram will get considerably more work when games are going like that. If we are at week 8-9 and Ingram is still just 50-60yds and a TD 1 out of every 3 games, I'll agree with you, but I think his touches and TD opps will increase noticeably over the next month and a half.I was high on Ingram before the season, I was still high on him after week 1, and even week 2. I'm no longer high on him. It's obvious the Saints have no interest in establishing the run. For the people that think once the Saints get in games where they can control the clock with the lead they'll start feeding Ingram, I disagree.
The problem is, there is way too much projected upside to Ingram's value to have rated him as a 2-4 round pick on draft day. It's not just FBGs, there were a ton of all-in's on Ingram in early September. And, barring injury, his upside isn't RB1 upside, it tops out at more like mid-high RB2 upside. This could easily go down as a Slaton-like bust, and all you can do is hold on and pray because his value is hovering around Brandon Jacobs-level. One of my more frustrating holds in years! Curse these enigmatic rookie RBs on draft day!I disagree. I dont see why you were high on him after 2 weeks and now his best game, in a shootout, makes you think otherwise. They have a cakewalk the next 6 weeks where the Saints should be up comfortably in most of the games. I dont think the Saints will run 3 times and punt when theyre up 10-14 points, but I do think Ingram will get considerably more work when games are going like that. If we are at week 8-9 and Ingram is still just 50-60yds and a TD 1 out of every 3 games, I'll agree with you, but I think his touches and TD opps will increase noticeably over the next month and a half.I was high on Ingram before the season, I was still high on him after week 1, and even week 2. I'm no longer high on him. It's obvious the Saints have no interest in establishing the run. For the people that think once the Saints get in games where they can control the clock with the lead they'll start feeding Ingram, I disagree.
I still do think this could happen as well. I am not down on Ingrams talent and I think he has a future in New Orleans, but they are gonna have to change their style of play or use Ingram more in the passing game.I disagree. I dont see why you were high on him after 2 weeks and now his best game, in a shootout, makes you think otherwise. They have a cakewalk the next 6 weeks where the Saints should be up comfortably in most of the games. I dont think the Saints will run 3 times and punt when theyre up 10-14 points, but I do think Ingram will get considerably more work when games are going like that. If we are at week 8-9 and Ingram is still just 50-60yds and a TD 1 out of every 3 games, I'll agree with you, but I think his touches and TD opps will increase noticeably over the next month and a half.I was high on Ingram before the season, I was still high on him after week 1, and even week 2. I'm no longer high on him. It's obvious the Saints have no interest in establishing the run. For the people that think once the Saints get in games where they can control the clock with the lead they'll start feeding Ingram, I disagree.
Agreed. Point to the hand.Let it play out before casting judgment. And even if FBG is proven wrong, oh well. Talk to the shirt.
Lol, thank you. "Point to the shirt" is what I wanted to write. But "talk to the shirt" came out instead at rant end. Doh.Agreed. Point to the hand.Let it play out before casting judgment. And even if FBG is proven wrong, oh well. Talk to the shirt.
I agree, this is the week! Playing crappy Jax. Should get a lead and pound the rock.Ok this week. This is the week. I feel it. Of course I felt it last week too.