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When it comes to the sexual assault of a young boy? Yes, you report what you've been told. Let the police do the investigating. If there is nothing to the story, that conclusion will be reached. But if there is something to the story and you did nothing you are enabling a monster to destroy the lives of young boys. On which side do YOU want to err?
Who does he think he is, Tiger Woods?
Good luck with that.
Exactly. What a joke. How about you don't show up at all and then retire effective immediately.
He didn't "do nothing." He took what he believed was appropriate action. It's easy to play Monday-morning QB now, and say that he should have called the police. Unless you think that he orchestrated a cover-up, he apparently believed that university officials would investigate and take action as necessary. He is guilty of misplacing his trust in Tim Curley.
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Never thought I'd say this with regards to this sort of topic, but I agree 100% with Crosseyed. If JoePa knew about this, reported it to the school officials, then did nothing when they swept it under the rug then he should be brought up on accessory charges as well.Universities don't get to play "we'll police this internally" with pedophiles. Period.
Wonder if I'm the only one who thinks he'll still be on the sideline next season...
No, there's you and there's Joe Paterno. So exactly two.
"Afternoon, Joe. Brian Smith, Associated Press. I realize that a couple of people here today want to discuss your longtime friend and defensive coordinator repeatedly anally violating young, defenseless boys. But could you comment on your poor 3rd-down conversion rate against Illinois?"
I think there's a better chance he's facing criminal proceedings than of holding a clipboard next year.
You say "swept it under the rug" like something was occurring that he'd physically be able to see. If he reported the allegation to Curley, and no action was taken against Sandusky, what scenario would he be more likely to believe? That the investigation simply turned up nothing of substance, or that PSU officials were engaging in a massive cover-up to protect a dangerous pedophile? Can you honestly say that you would make that leap of faith if you were in his shoes?
I know if there was discussion that a close personal friend of mine was molesting kids, I'd check back on that investigation to see how it turned out. But hey that's just me.I also severely doubt JoePa never having seen/heard anything on this. Apparently this guy was not very shy about this crap. Sorry but JoePa does not get a pass here. The fact that he was even aware of it (was told firsthand by a graduate assistant coach who witnessed an act in 2002) and didn't insist that police be brought in to investigate is BS. Again, Universities don't get to self-investigate or self-police pedophilia claims. Period.
And this is what I just don't understand: how is it that none of these people contacted the police? Since when is the football coach, the athletic director, or the university president a substitute for the law?'David Dodds said:
He did as close to nothing as he could.
Stealing car stereos is so many worlds away from raping young boys it's hard to even start with this post. And going to the superiors first is okay...it's the never going to the police at all that's the problem.'David Dodds said:
And to clarify- I include JoePa in "none of these people".
Wear black. And sing the ### ####ed words:"For the glory of old State, For her founders strong and great,For the future that we wait, Raise the song, raise the song.Sing our love and loyalty, Sing our hopes that bright and freeRest, O mother dear, with thee, All with thee, all with thee.When we stood at childhood's gate, Shapeless in the hands of fate,Thou didst mold us, dear old State, Dear old State, dear old State.May no act of ours bring shame, To one heart that loves thy name.May our lives but swell thy fame, Dear old State, dear old State."'Parrothead said:
He's where your theory falls apart. If Paterno believed that he told Curley and then Curley investigated and must have turned up nothing - then Paterno knows he has on his staff a coach that is creating the worst kind of lies about a longtime friend and colleague. So what does he do about that? He promotes him.That makes absolutely no sense.
As if the reverse scenario makes any sense either. Paterno had full knowledge that a colleague was terrorizing children yet he looked the other way and helped PSU administration cover it up. Yep, that sounds just like something he'd do.Again, what is really in dispute here is what McQueary actually said to Paterno. I'm withholding judgment until Paterno is under oath.
Rape seems more appropriate
Happy Valley
Pretty sure you will still be scratching your head and still not understand why PSU will considered a scummy child rapist protecting school and Paterno a vile reprobate boyrape enabler years from now. But keep scratching your head about it and maybe years from now you will understand.
It is infinitely more believable than Paterno willfully promoting a guy who he thought wrongly accused his friend of the worst possible act. You're talking about a guy whose life was Penn State. Once Sandusky did what he did, and the public found out about it, there is no coming back from that...the Penn State Paterno knew and loved no longer existed. We're not talking about buying players...you can survive that after enough time passes. Hell, Sandusky could have been a SERIAL KILLER and the legacy of the program would have still existed.BTW, Paterno only "covering this up" could be the best case scenario as far as we know. Who knows what else is out there.
Would be awesome.
This is correct. My FIL is a professor at a university and if you have to report something, you go through the chain of command, and you trust that the matter is handled thoroughly.'David Dodds said:
You witness someone shooting someone else and you have to call your department head before 911? Complete
I don't see it that way - Im not sure if this is what AM was getting at, but it is impossible to not associate PSU with pedophilia now. Probably for the rest of our lives, when we hear Joe Paterno's name or Penn State, or see the uniform, we will think of Sandusky and the vile acts committed on University grounds that the University collectively failed to act to stop from happening in the future.I think his post is accurate in the sense that the initial cover-up and now the complete paralysis and inability to react appropriately has tied the identity of the university to this incident deeply and permanently. What do you think of when you hear "Catholic Priest"? PSU has years of work to do to avoid that kind of association now.smear every student & grad
If my FIL was told by someone that they witnessed a staff member touching a child, my FIL has to report it through his chain of command.You witness someone shooting someone else and you have to call your department head before 911? Complete
I don't see it that way - Im not sure if this is what AM was getting at, but it is impossible to not associate PSU with pedophilia now. Probably for the rest of our lives, when we hear Joe Paterno's name or Penn State, or see the uniform, we will think of Sandusky and the vile acts committed on University grounds that the University collectively failed to act to stop from happening in the future.I think his post is accurate in the sense that the initial cover-up and now the complete paralysis and inability to react appropriately has tied the identity of the university to this incident deeply and permanently. What do you think of when you hear "Catholic Priest"? PSU has years of work to do to avoid that kind of association now.
I don't get the sense that Paterno realizes this. i understand Paterno's reluctance to talk about this at todays press conference, and this year's team deserves better than to see its accomplishments overshadowed by this tragedy. But, if I was advising Paterno I would tell him to make a statement about the situation, express his sorrow/regret for how he handled this, no matter the "legal" requirements, and announce that he is stepping down at the end of the season.Penn State will clean house before next season. It is the only option they have.Regardless of exactly what he was told after the 2002 incident, that wasn't the first time something like this had happened with Sandusky. There was a 1998 university (and child welfare) investigation of him. If you want to think that Paterno was completely oblivious to his defensive coordinator being under investigation by the school and authorities, you're just burying your head in the sand. Especially when the next season Sandusky "retired" after previously being considered the heir apparent to Paterno.He knew, or at least suspected that Sandusky was bad news in 1998. He thought taking his job would end things. 4 years later he found out that he was horribly wrong and went into coverup mode. Sure, there's lots of people involved, and lots of people who should be out of a job (and maybe in jail) because of this, but Paterno is the biggest name so that's who's being talked about.Personally, I think McQueary is the biggest scum in all this. He sees an anal rape of a 10 year old, reports it to his boss, then quietly takes a promotion as he sees the rapist continue to hold an office in the same building, hold overnight camps for kids around the same age as the boy he raped and bring other young boys onto the field to watch practice. I hope he's happy with the path he took to advance his career.Its despicable. Just thinking about that poor kid getting raped, seeing a stranger who was in a position to help him just walk away... If he thought nobody would help him before, after that incident his soul must have been crushed.
I think a lot of people love a scandal, and they get delight out of smearing others.I don't see it that way - Im not sure if this is what AM was getting at, but it is impossible to not associate PSU with pedophilia now. Probably for the rest of our lives, when we hear Joe Paterno's name or Penn State, or see the uniform, we will think of Sandusky and the vile acts committed on University grounds that the University collectively failed to act to stop from happening in the future.I think his post is accurate in the sense that the initial cover-up and now the complete paralysis and inability to react appropriately has tied the identity of the university to this incident deeply and permanently. What do you think of when you hear "Catholic Priest"? PSU has years of work to do to avoid that kind of association now.
This might sound drastic, but I think that they need to change the name of the university and the design of the football uniforms for starters. Classic re-branding is called for here. It's a shame that the very symbol of the program - the spartan uniform design - would have to be sacrificed, but it is a symbol of exactly what this scandal has and will continue to destroy - at least until the university brass gets a soul transplant.I don't see it that way - Im not sure if this is what AM was getting at, but it is impossible to not associate PSU with pedophilia now. Probably for the rest of our lives, when we hear Joe Paterno's name or Penn State, or see the uniform, we will think of Sandusky and the vile acts committed on University grounds that the University collectively failed to act to stop from happening in the future.I think his post is accurate in the sense that the initial cover-up and now the complete paralysis and inability to react appropriately has tied the identity of the university to this incident deeply and permanently. What do you think of when you hear "Catholic Priest"? PSU has years of work to do to avoid that kind of association now.
No offense but your FIL is not Joe Paterno. Joe Paterno is the most powerful man in Happy Valley and he could have easily followed up on the matter and contacted police when he saw that it was being swept under the rug. At the very least he should have demanded this monster be banned from using the athletic facilities on campus, facilities he was using to molest children.Joe Paterno may survive this scandal but I don't know how he can sleep at night knowing that he could have contacted police and put a stop to the molestation of young boys.
CompleteIf my FIL was told by someone that they witnessed a staff member touching a child, my FIL has to report it through his chain of command.You witness someone shooting someone else and you have to call your department head before 911? Complete
Changing the name of the university is going too far but I do agree that they need to clean house on the coaching staff and a change in the football uniform to show they have a new identity would be a good idea too.
Yeah... JoePa to address media at 2pm and not talk about the elephant sitting in the living room.
