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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
He pulls the race card almost al much as Jamele Hill and Stephen A.....Cant say im surprised
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
Let's start with doing what he could to stop children from being forcibly anally raped in the locker room showers. We can play the rest by ear.
After '02 when an assault was alleged by an existing and continuing football coach in a football building; he permitted the same accusing coach to work a practice while Sandusky attended those same football practices (including closed practices) with young boys without any consequence or follow-up. And that fact alone, which is one of the few nuggets we know for sure, is grounds for dismissal. Not sure why you are bringing up legal culpability; it's irrelevant and has nothing to do with tonight (but look out in the future)...it's about his dismissal tonight.
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Phenix
Footballguy
only to the media. and asking what if about my child is a touchy situation. why would i be angry at the guy who reported a report from a second party? i would be angry at the people who had the real power to investigate yet covered it up, not the assumed power everyone thinks joepa had.it dont say in the report that joe was not involved in any wrong doing but because most think he should of done more based of a second party report he is a guilty man not by law but by public opinion. eventho many would not of done what they are asking of joe, not saying its right but its true.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Why does it matter how much he knew? He admits that McQueary told him about sexual activity with a boy. Isn't that enough for you?I'm not going to hang a guy out to dry without hearing from him first. What did he know? How much did he know? When did he know? To my knowledge, neither of those have been clearly answered. Yeah, I'll wait until I hear facts compared to speculation as to "what he knew".
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Read the report, those questions have been answered.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Hera ya goWhen your best friend, has YOUR name, listed as a Board Member in a foundation for kids...and that friend has an allegation of child rape brought up against him from a 28 year old GA you also know and have coached.
You don't just report this and wash your hands.
Islanders rule
Footballguy
So, he reported it, nothing happened and he just figured everything was taken care of with his friend who brought little boys to Penn state for a decade. Anyone who is defending JOPA now in this situation is wrong in my opinion.I hope for the best for all involved, especially the young boys who are now men and have to deal with what Sandusky did to them.
Let's be real, Paterno could have done a lot more, he was told what was witnessed and did nothing but report to his superior?
Criminal in my opinion. These are children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CrossEyed
Footballguy
He testified to what he knew. Fondling or something of a sexual nature in the shower. He knew it the day that it happened. Yet the only action he took was to tell Curley and Schultz.Fail.
You say "most think he should have done more" and that's why he is punished; do you not realize that JOE PATERNO himself admitted today in his retirement statement that he "should have done more"? Paterno used the exact phrase that you attribute to his detractors.
You have lost that argument along with all the others who made a similar argument over the last few days because Joe Paterno himself disagrees with you.
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Phenix
Footballguy
After reading the report i do. the bad people the ones who covered it up not reported it. joe pa did what was required of him on a very very touchy situation why would he want to be the one to make a big deal out of a story that he did not know what was true or not. thats up to the people above him he reported to again you may not like it but it is tru i believe.i normally dont post much but as a lawyer who has prosecuted many rapists i still believe when you go up the chain of command in the world of law and order the person who was trying to do right and obeyed the law at the same time should not lose his job based of many knee jerk reactions without all the facts. i put away rapists i dont defend them but i defend people who did what was right by law public opinion cannot sway my judgement when it comes to law and order my apologies. i would love to be the guy trying to put away sandusky though.
morals are in the eye of the beholder its not a set thing therefor laws can not be based of morals, sadly
I like this edit feature as its so hard to type from a iphone
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
where is the outrage for the guy who actually saw what went on? Paterno was told, he didn't see it, he didn't witness it, he wasn't there. Where is the outrage directed at the actual witness of the event?
A lynch mob with no real purpose
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
There's plenty of outrage for him in this thread. And deservedly so. He should be the next to be fired.
jojoh07
Footballguy
Paterno makes for a much better scapegoat for the university
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Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Because the dismissal might as well be an admission of guilt for Paterno and the President. There is a reason they refused to resign. In my opinion the University is looking for a scapegoat before the chicken comes home to roost at no administrative oversight. Roosting on people like Curly and Schultz, strictly administrative agents of the University, covering up horrible crimes to protect the University's image. Which is how I view what is happening now. It is a shell game. The University is trying to shift the blame on the highest profile they can so it doesn't bring down the institution. Its in "the best interests" of Penn State.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Yes it was. Maybe if you're a regular guy, it's OK to keep quiet when your assistant tells you that he saw someone raping a little boy.But when you are arguably the most respected head coach in the history of college football -- a person who has made his living from being more ethical than ANYONE else -- then you owe it to society (and to that little boy) to do a TEENSY bit more than the bare minimum required by law.Furthermore, if it was truly a "he said she said" situation, what kind of human being would continue to allow BOTH of them to hang around his facilities afterward? If Sandusky is right, then Paterno promoted a liar to assistant coach. If McQueary is right, then Paterno allowed a child molester to roam free in his own building.
wazoo11
Footballguy
Pay attention man. Forty eight pages have been devoted with the sole purpose to crucify Paterno. Five or six pages at a time go by without any mention of Sandusky.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Don't you think it's a bit odd that Sandusky was allowed, by JoPa I presume since he runs the team, to stick around? This goes beyond the law. JoPa was aware of what had happened but let Sandusky stick around. Do you believe JoPa is just really dumb?
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Rightfully so.He has known about this for a long time in my opinion...probably even before 98He hired, and allowed a lady volleyball coach was was openly homophobic to be on the staff for 27 years, until she "resigned" amid allegations of misconduct and discrimination towards her players. Sorry, your god has faults and has to be treated like a regular person
Nope, it's not an admission of guilt. There will be plenty of time for that process to run its course later.It's about a failure to do anything when, for example, after '02 when an assault was alleged by an existing and continuing football coach in a football building; he permitted the same accusing coach to work a practice while Sandusky attended those same football practices (including closed practices) with young boys without any consequence or follow-up.
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Islanders rule
Footballguy
The foundation was a resource for Sandusky to have access to and abuse kids trying to make it look normal that he was taking them to sporting events at Penn State. We all now know some of what occured. Imagine all the instances thst sick F--- Sandusky was involved in that we don't and will never know occured!
Joe Summer
Footballguy
No. When someone tells you that they witnessed a murder, it is your moral obligation to call the police. Period. I don't give a damn if you have "no way of knowing" whether the report is truthful or not. You call the police and let THEM figure it out.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
No, i think that was his grand daughter
The Future Champs
Footballguy
FAIL - Joe doesn't hire volleyball coaches.
Das Boot
Footballguy
jackdubl
Footballguy
Hairy Snowman, I think you'd better reread the indictment. You're getting victims mixed up. Victim 2, the boy witnessed by the assistant coach, was never identified. You're talking about one of the other victims.
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Wooderson
Fight The Power
She's a looker.
Phenix
Footballguy
Scapegoat is correct. i wish more would see this for what it is and not how the media wants.isnt it funny in this whole mess the rapist is getting the least attention? yet joepa is not a scapegoat?
i still want o be clear since im on the unpopular side here
I IN NO WAY DEFEND THE ACTIONS OF JERRY SANDUSKY HE IS BELOW SCUM.
but a man who tried to do the right thing at the time should not be the big issue here he just causes for the big story in the world of the media.
would it matter to most of you that the media reports 25 percent of the actual information ouy there? i paid big money for that study for one of my cases that involved a media whistle blower she was creating a huge story and reported non of the information that benfited the person who was charged. and eventually exonerated.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Plenty of outrage. But Joe Paterno was God on that campus. He could have done the right thing and he didn't
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
First of all, it was the women's basketball coach.Second of all, since when is Paterno in charge or hiring/firing other PSU sports coaches?! Thats laughable.
Phenix
Footballguy
Have you seen the dude, ha, i believe he was probably worried about the football team more, sadly. but yes i believe he knew less then what the media believes.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
You and I differ on our expectations of one of the greatest football coaches of all time.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Plenty of outrage over McQueary in this thread. You just choose not to read it. It's also ironic and hypocritical of you to defend Paterno but not McQueary.
No Phenix, this is about a failure to do anything when, for example, after '02 when an assault was alleged by an existing and continuing football coach in a football building; he permitted the same accusing coach to work a practice while Sandusky attended those same football practices (including closed practices) with young boys without any consequence or follow-up.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Well, the selfish PSU fan in me wanted to see Paterno be able to finish the year, but the right decision was made in the grand scheme of things. Terrible to see his run end this way, but hell, he could have prevented it multiple times. I didnt want him coaching past this year anyway, but crazy to see him go out like this.
Now all they need to do is fire his son and this football program will hit the ground running!
Now all they need to do is fire his son and this football program will hit the ground running!
flapgreen
Footballguy
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Rumors on twitter that the PSU seniors will boycott Saturday's game in support of JoePa.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
You realize the reason he is a "scapegoat" and getting all this attention is because of his inability to take more action and prevent more rapes?"tried to do the right thing"
seriously?
