Starting again? He never stopped. O/U on the next time he pisses hot? I'll take December of this year...If not, he is already starting to make bad choices again.
How much action you want?Starting again? He never stopped. O/U on the next time he pisses hot? I'll take December of this year...If not, he is already starting to make bad choices again.
In dynasty, you're a stone cold fool if you're not trying like crazy to sell high the instant an official announcement is made about him playing this year.
I want in on this too.How much action you want?Starting again? He never stopped. O/U on the next time he pisses hot? I'll take December of this year...If not, he is already starting to make bad choices again.
In dynasty, you're a stone cold fool if you're not trying like crazy to sell high the instant an official announcement is made about him playing this year.
Uhm, what?Josh Gordon. Orlando Scandrick. Adrian Peterson.
The way this season has gone for my fantasy team, I'm expecting pictures of Andrew Luck's neo-Nazi tattoo are going to be showing up any day now.
Gordon has failed a minimum of five drug screens in the past four years. We know he is still hanging around people holding drugs. But let me guess: this time, he finally just gets it, right?I want in on this too.How much action you want?Starting again? He never stopped. O/U on the next time he pisses hot? I'll take December of this year...In dynasty, you're a stone cold fool if you're not trying like crazy to sell high the instant an official announcement is made about him playing this year.If not, he is already starting to make bad choices again.
He more than likely got limited driving privileges for work.I thought his license was just suspendedFlash Gordon (@JOSH_GORDONXII)
9/16/14, 6:19 PM
This new @SarchioneChevy 2015 Camaro SS got the ladies winking at me on my drive home lol
Being a car salesman for a month is going to teach him something that getting kicked out of two colleges and multiple NFL suspensions and corresponding loss of pay didn't? If anything, being allowed back into the league this year would seem to reinforce his "I can do whatever the eff I want" mindset.Maybe being a car salesman for a month scared him enough for him to realize that he needs to make some lifestyle changes in order to keep making mad cash by simply running fast and catching a ball. I guess I'm a stone cold fool, because I have him in a dynasty and it would take a LOT in trade to pry him out of my hands. WR#1 potential, so I'll gladly hold until proven wrong.
Then explain it to me like I'm someone who just posted that it was confusing.Not really.Strange to me that they seem to be retroactively changing his session-long suspension to be 10 games according to the new rules, but he pleads guilty on his DWI now to avoid other new rules. Shouldn't the new rules also be retroactively applied to all his offenses in the 2014 season, for better or worse? Confusing...
Everything is a bargaining chip in a negotiation. The PA obviously got no retro application of rules that worsen existing penalties.Then explain it to me like I'm someone who just posted that it was confusing.Not really.Strange to me that they seem to be retroactively changing his session-long suspension to be 10 games according to the new rules, but he pleads guilty on his DWI now to avoid other new rules. Shouldn't the new rules also be retroactively applied to all his offenses in the 2014 season, for better or worse? Confusing...
He failed for Cough syrup, second hand pot smoke and having a couple of beers and driving (inexcusable, but something I'd bet 80+% of folks posting on theses boards have done before).Being a car salesman for a month is going to teach him something that getting kicked out of two colleges and multiple NFL suspensions and corresponding loss of pay didn't? If anything, being allowed back into the league this year would seem to reinforce his "I can do whatever the eff I want" mindset.Maybe being a car salesman for a month scared him enough for him to realize that he needs to make some lifestyle changes in order to keep making mad cash by simply running fast and catching a ball. I guess I'm a stone cold fool, because I have him in a dynasty and it would take a LOT in trade to pry him out of my hands. WR#1 potential, so I'll gladly hold until proven wrong.
I'm not saying that he should be cut or anything. But there are a ton of wildly (overly) optimistic Gordon fans out there (this thread is exhibit A) who are seeing this as "he's finally out of the woods completely" or some such nonsense. Find one in your league and extract that WR1 value while dishing off the HUGE risk. You'll be happy in December. Or March. Or next September. Or whenever the urge to burn hits Gordon again.
Gordon's first game will be 11-23 vs AtlantaDoes the 2 games he missed count towards the 10?
second sentence does not reconcile with the firstHe failed for Cough syrup, second hand pot smoke and having a couple of beers and driving (inexcusable, but something I'd bet 80+% of folks posting on theses boards have done before).
I think he'll be fine
I'm not banking on a change from Gordon (thought it is possible), but the NFL is clearly chilling out on it's anti-marijuana campaign. The penalties are lessened, the drug test limits are relaxed. I wouldn't be surprised if they test less frequently. This is a good development for his long-term stock.Gordon has failed a minimum of five drug screens in the past four years. We know he is still hanging around people holding drugs. But let me guess: this time, he finally just gets it, right?I want in on this too.How much action you want?Starting again? He never stopped. O/U on the next time he pisses hot? I'll take December of this year...In dynasty, you're a stone cold fool if you're not trying like crazy to sell high the instant an official announcement is made about him playing this year.If not, he is already starting to make bad choices again.
If it were up to me, the NFL wouldn't test for recreational drugs at all. But they do, and Gordon's extensive history suggests that it's probably only a matter of time. The speeding / weed and DUI incidents happening while his suspension was pending, as well as his statement after losing the appeal don't exactly scream "changed man" to me. YMMV.
Re: his FF value, redraft-wise, if you got him as a cheap / free flyer and he ends up giving you a handful of quality starts, then well done. But in dynasty, he's never been close to that cheap. We had this exact same discussion this offseason; Gordon was valued at an equivalent level to guys like AJ Green and Dez Bryant, players with equal ability and a fraction of the risk. If you held or invested in Gordon in January at those prices, the instant news of the failed test hit, you took a massive loss. News of some type of amnesty is pretty likely to cause another burst of optimism, which should drive Gordon's value back up (although likely never back into top-5 startup range). If you bet on Gordon staying clean, again, then it's pretty likely that you're missing the final realistic sell high window. If / when he smokes another doober, his value going to crater for good, like Justin Blackmon's did after his pot arrest. Could he play the rest of his career without further incident? Sure he could. But the chances of, say, an Antonio Brown doing so are much, much higher. Let someone else roll the dice by making a huge investment in Josh Gordon.
Why didn't you answer Alonzo's question?Gordon has failed a minimum of five drug screens in the past four years. We know he is still hanging around people holding drugs. But let me guess: this time, he finally just gets it, right?I want in on this too.How much action you want?Starting again? He never stopped. O/U on the next time he pisses hot? I'll take December of this year...In dynasty, you're a stone cold fool if you're not trying like crazy to sell high the instant an official announcement is made about him playing this year.If not, he is already starting to make bad choices again.
If it were up to me, the NFL wouldn't test for recreational drugs at all. But they do, and Gordon's extensive history suggests that it's probably only a matter of time. The speeding / weed and DUI incidents happening while his suspension was pending, as well as his statement after losing the appeal don't exactly scream "changed man" to me. YMMV.
Re: his FF value, redraft-wise, if you got him as a cheap / free flyer and he ends up giving you a handful of quality starts, then well done. But in dynasty, he's never been close to that cheap. We had this exact same discussion this offseason; Gordon was valued at an equivalent level to guys like AJ Green and Dez Bryant, players with equal ability and a fraction of the risk. If you held or invested in Gordon in January at those prices, the instant news of the failed test hit, you took a massive loss. News of some type of amnesty is pretty likely to cause another burst of optimism, which should drive Gordon's value back up (although likely never back into top-5 startup range). If you bet on Gordon staying clean, again, then it's pretty likely that you're missing the final realistic sell high window. If / when he smokes another doober, his value going to crater for good, like Justin Blackmon's did after his pot arrest. Could he play the rest of his career without further incident? Sure he could. But the chances of, say, an Antonio Brown doing so are much, much higher. Let someone else roll the dice by making a huge investment in Josh Gordon.
Mainly because I'm not a d-bag who needs to challenge random internet strangers to bets to make up for having a small crank. If you want to discuss FF, have at it. If not, please just get banned again ASAP. TIA.Why didn't you answer Alonzo's question?Gordon has failed a minimum of five drug screens in the past four years. We know he is still hanging around people holding drugs. But let me guess: this time, he finally just gets it, right?If it were up to me, the NFL wouldn't test for recreational drugs at all. But they do, and Gordon's extensive history suggests that it's probably only a matter of time. The speeding / weed and DUI incidents happening while his suspension was pending, as well as his statement after losing the appeal don't exactly scream "changed man" to me. YMMV.I want in on this too.How much action you want?Starting again? He never stopped. O/U on the next time he pisses hot? I'll take December of this year...In dynasty, you're a stone cold fool if you're not trying like crazy to sell high the instant an official announcement is made about him playing this year.If not, he is already starting to make bad choices again.
Re: his FF value, redraft-wise, if you got him as a cheap / free flyer and he ends up giving you a handful of quality starts, then well done. But in dynasty, he's never been close to that cheap. We had this exact same discussion this offseason; Gordon was valued at an equivalent level to guys like AJ Green and Dez Bryant, players with equal ability and a fraction of the risk. If you held or invested in Gordon in January at those prices, the instant news of the failed test hit, you took a massive loss. News of some type of amnesty is pretty likely to cause another burst of optimism, which should drive Gordon's value back up (although likely never back into top-5 startup range). If you bet on Gordon staying clean, again, then it's pretty likely that you're missing the final realistic sell high window. If / when he smokes another doober, his value going to crater for good, like Justin Blackmon's did after his pot arrest. Could he play the rest of his career without further incident? Sure he could. But the chances of, say, an Antonio Brown doing so are much, much higher. Let someone else roll the dice by making a huge investment in Josh Gordon.
It's somewhat rare for anything to be retroactive.Strange to me that they seem to be retroactively changing his session-long suspension to be 10 games according to the new rules, but he pleads guilty on his DWI now to avoid other new rules. Shouldn't the new rules also be retroactively applied to all his offenses in the 2014 season, for better or worse? Confusing...
Discipline of players for certain violations in the 2014 league year will be adjusted to reflect the new policy. Wes Welker of the Denver Broncos, Orlando Scandrick of the Dallas Cowboys and Stedman Bailey of the St. Louis Rams will be eligible to return to their teams this week.
I think the main point of the question was to see how strongly you felt about him getting popped again "by December". That seems like a pretty strong prediction that borders on hyperbole, and I along with the OP who asked the question were curious if you actually believed that. FWIW, I think there's a pretty low probability that he fails a test again by December, and I think it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that. Sorry if I offended you.Mainly because I'm not a d-bag who needs to challenge random internet strangers to bets to make up for having a small crank. If you want to discuss FF, have at it. If not, please just get banned again ASAP. TIA.Why didn't you answer Alonzo's question?Gordon has failed a minimum of five drug screens in the past four years. We know he is still hanging around people holding drugs. But let me guess: this time, he finally just gets it, right?If it were up to me, the NFL wouldn't test for recreational drugs at all. But they do, and Gordon's extensive history suggests that it's probably only a matter of time. The speeding / weed and DUI incidents happening while his suspension was pending, as well as his statement after losing the appeal don't exactly scream "changed man" to me. YMMV.I want in on this too.How much action you want?Starting again? He never stopped. O/U on the next time he pisses hot? I'll take December of this year...In dynasty, you're a stone cold fool if you're not trying like crazy to sell high the instant an official announcement is made about him playing this year.If not, he is already starting to make bad choices again.
Re: his FF value, redraft-wise, if you got him as a cheap / free flyer and he ends up giving you a handful of quality starts, then well done. But in dynasty, he's never been close to that cheap. We had this exact same discussion this offseason; Gordon was valued at an equivalent level to guys like AJ Green and Dez Bryant, players with equal ability and a fraction of the risk. If you held or invested in Gordon in January at those prices, the instant news of the failed test hit, you took a massive loss. News of some type of amnesty is pretty likely to cause another burst of optimism, which should drive Gordon's value back up (although likely never back into top-5 startup range). If you bet on Gordon staying clean, again, then it's pretty likely that you're missing the final realistic sell high window. If / when he smokes another doober, his value going to crater for good, like Justin Blackmon's did after his pot arrest. Could he play the rest of his career without further incident? Sure he could. But the chances of, say, an Antonio Brown doing so are much, much higher. Let someone else roll the dice by making a huge investment in Josh Gordon.
No prob just the release was addressing who can return this week.Does it concern anyone that the NFL/NFLPA didn't mention Gordon in their press release?
Press Release
Discipline of players for certain violations in the 2014 league year will be adjusted to reflect the new policy. Wes Welker of the Denver Broncos, Orlando Scandrick of the Dallas Cowboys and Stedman Bailey of the St. Louis Rams will be eligible to return to their teams this week.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 1m
Source: The @NFL and @NFLPA have reached an agreement on a new drug policy. Finally. Announcement coming.
It appears that the agreement that's been reached is on the PED policy, not the drug policy.According to NFLN, a new drug policy has been reached, it is breaking news on their screen.
Good point. I didn't read that right.No prob just the release was addressing who can return this week.Does it concern anyone that the NFL/NFLPA didn't mention Gordon in their press release?
Press Release
Discipline of players for certain violations in the 2014 league year will be adjusted to reflect the new policy. Wes Welker of the Denver Broncos, Orlando Scandrick of the Dallas Cowboys and Stedman Bailey of the St. Louis Rams will be eligible to return to their teams this week.
That release is about PED's only. Substance abuse part is still being finalized.Does it concern anyone that the NFL/NFLPA didn't mention Gordon in their press release?
Press Release
Discipline of players for certain violations in the 2014 league year will be adjusted to reflect the new policy. Wes Welker of the Denver Broncos, Orlando Scandrick of the Dallas Cowboys and Stedman Bailey of the St. Louis Rams will be eligible to return to their teams this week.
IMO it's hugely likely that he does indeed continue to struggle with drug issues. As far as exactly when the next incident happens, I don't really see a ton of value or relevance in speculating on that. He's averaging one failed test (just counting the ones we know about 100%) every 7 - 8 months currently, dating back to when he started getting tested upon entering college, so considering he failed on this past March, December seems like a reasonable place to put the O/U.Peyton Marino said:I think the main point of the question was to see how strongly you felt about him getting popped again "by December". That seems like a pretty strong prediction that borders on hyperbole, and I along with the OP who asked the question were curious if you actually believed that. FWIW, I think there's a pretty low probability that he fails a test again by December, and I think it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that. Sorry if I offended you.Coeur de Lion said:Mainly because I'm not a d-bag who needs to challenge random internet strangers to bets to make up for having a small crank. If you want to discuss FF, have at it. If not, please just get banned again ASAP. TIA.Peyton Marino said:Why didn't you answer Alonzo's question?Coeur de Lion said:Gordon has failed a minimum of five drug screens in the past four years. We know he is still hanging around people holding drugs. But let me guess: this time, he finally just gets it, right?If it were up to me, the NFL wouldn't test for recreational drugs at all. But they do, and Gordon's extensive history suggests that it's probably only a matter of time. The speeding / weed and DUI incidents happening while his suspension was pending, as well as his statement after losing the appeal don't exactly scream "changed man" to me. YMMV.Peyton Marino said:I want in on this too.Alonzo Mosely said:How much action you want?Coeur de Lion said:Starting again? He never stopped. O/U on the next time he pisses hot? I'll take December of this year...In dynasty, you're a stone cold fool if you're not trying like crazy to sell high the instant an official announcement is made about him playing this year.False Start said:If not, he is already starting to make bad choices again.
Re: his FF value, redraft-wise, if you got him as a cheap / free flyer and he ends up giving you a handful of quality starts, then well done. But in dynasty, he's never been close to that cheap. We had this exact same discussion this offseason; Gordon was valued at an equivalent level to guys like AJ Green and Dez Bryant, players with equal ability and a fraction of the risk. If you held or invested in Gordon in January at those prices, the instant news of the failed test hit, you took a massive loss. News of some type of amnesty is pretty likely to cause another burst of optimism, which should drive Gordon's value back up (although likely never back into top-5 startup range). If you bet on Gordon staying clean, again, then it's pretty likely that you're missing the final realistic sell high window. If / when he smokes another doober, his value going to crater for good, like Justin Blackmon's did after his pot arrest. Could he play the rest of his career without further incident? Sure he could. But the chances of, say, an Antonio Brown doing so are much, much higher. Let someone else roll the dice by making a huge investment in Josh Gordon.
FlapJacks said:He failed for Cough syrup, second hand pot smoke and having a couple of beers and driving (inexcusable, but something I'd bet 80+% of folks posting on theses boards have done before).Coeur de Lion said:Being a car salesman for a month is going to teach him something that getting kicked out of two colleges and multiple NFL suspensions and corresponding loss of pay didn't? If anything, being allowed back into the league this year would seem to reinforce his "I can do whatever the eff I want" mindset.I'm not saying that he should be cut or anything. But there are a ton of wildly (overly) optimistic Gordon fans out there (this thread is exhibit A) who are seeing this as "he's finally out of the woods completely" or some such nonsense. Find one in your league and extract that WR1 value while dishing off the HUGE risk. You'll be happy in December. Or March. Or next September. Or whenever the urge to burn hits Gordon again.LittlePhatty said:Maybe being a car salesman for a month scared him enough for him to realize that he needs to make some lifestyle changes in order to keep making mad cash by simply running fast and catching a ball. I guess I'm a stone cold fool, because I have him in a dynasty and it would take a LOT in trade to pry him out of my hands. WR#1 potential, so I'll gladly hold until proven wrong.
I think he'll be fine
12 team league with small bench and I'll hold him.Are you going to keep him stashed until week 12?
If it was second hand smoke, it was from a clown car with everybody doubled-up in laps, each smoking their own joints with the windows rolled up, driving Josh to his test. That's almost as ridiculous as both Gordon and his doctor not knowing that codeine is on the banned substances list when he's in Stage II of the league's drug program and among a culture where sizzurp is the refreshment du jour.
Call me crazy but it's possible imo. NFL limit was so absurdly low that a closed car with a couple people smoking could trigger a positive. NFL had their positive set at 1/10 of what the Olympics tests for.If it was second hand smoke, it was from a clown car with everybody doubled-up in laps, each smoking their own joints with the windows rolled up, driving Josh to his test. That's almost as ridiculous as both Gordon and his doctor not knowing that codeine is on the banned substances list when he's in Stage II of the league's drug program and among a culture where sizzurp is the refreshment du jour.
Gordon's mom ain't even buying those excuses. Evidently some of his FF owners are a different story.
With all the injuries and BYE weeks coming up, it's going to get difficult holding him (12 team with 6 bench spots)12 team league with small bench and I'll hold him.Are you going to keep him stashed until week 12?
At the very least I should be able to trade him for someone better than waiver wire players as it gets closer to week 12.
That's the PED policy, not the drug policy; the drug policy has not been officially agreed to as far as we know.Looks like new policy has been officially agreed to. Curiously no mention of Gordon in this ESPN blurb:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11542076/nfl-union-ok-new-performance-enhancing-drug-policy-human-growth-hormone-testing
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2999292If it was second hand smoke, it was from a clown car with everybody doubled-up in laps, each smoking their own joints with the windows rolled up, driving Josh to his test. That's almost as ridiculous as both Gordon and his doctor not knowing that codeine is on the banned substances list when he's in Stage II of the league's drug program and among a culture where sizzurp is the refreshment du jour.
Gordon's mom ain't even buying those excuses. Evidently some of his FF owners are a different story.
Passive inhalation also resulted in the detection of cannabinoids in the urine by RIA and enzyme multiple immunoassay technique (EMIT) assays (above 13 and 20 ng/mL, respectively). It is concluded that the demonstration of cannabinoids in blood or urine is no unequivocal proof of active Cannabis smoking.
Thanks for the clarification. Multi-tasking and didn't look beyond searching for Gordon's name.That's the PED policy, not the drug policy, which has not been officially agreed to as far as we know.Looks like new policy has been officially agreed to. Curiously no mention of Gordon in this ESPN blurb:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11542076/nfl-union-ok-new-performance-enhancing-drug-policy-human-growth-hormone-testing
I thought he already appealed and lost? Or can he now appeal the new reduced suspension? I think he should appeal, he has a good case.I already know everyone is gonna jump on me and say "prove it" but Gordon is appealing this suspension. He is trying to get this thing reduced even more. I know someone in his agency and thats what they are working on now. Go ahead and start questioning me fellas.
Not to start this debate all over again, but:Call me crazy but it's possible imo. NFL limit was so absurdly low that a closed car with a couple people smoking could trigger a positive. NFL had their positive set at 1/10 of what the Olympics tests for.If it was second hand smoke, it was from a clown car with everybody doubled-up in laps, each smoking their own joints with the windows rolled up, driving Josh to his test. That's almost as ridiculous as both Gordon and his doctor not knowing that codeine is on the banned substances list when he's in Stage II of the league's drug program and among a culture where sizzurp is the refreshment du jour.
Gordon's mom ain't even buying those excuses. Evidently some of his FF owners are a different story.
no surprise thereI already know everyone is gonna jump on me and say "prove it" but Gordon is appealing this suspension. He is trying to get this thing reduced even more. I know someone in his agency and thats what they are working on now. Go ahead and start questioning me fellas.
I seriously doubt this is true, but if it is, he's going to fail.I already know everyone is gonna jump on me and say "prove it" but Gordon is appealing this suspension. He is trying to get this thing reduced even more. I know someone in his agency and thats what they are working on now. Go ahead and start questioning me fellas.
So you are saying I'm lying. Ok.I seriously doubt this is true, but if it is, he's going to fail.I already know everyone is gonna jump on me and say "prove it" but Gordon is appealing this suspension. He is trying to get this thing reduced even more. I know someone in his agency and thats what they are working on now. Go ahead and start questioning me fellas.
As has already been noted in this thread; he went through the appeals process. I highly doubt the new policy will include a loophole that will allow for a 2nd appeal.
As has also been previously noted in this thread, he has NO legal basis for a lawsuit, either.
People who missed out on Gordon sure are saltyI seriously doubt this is true, but if it is, he's going to fail.As has already been noted in this thread; he went through the appeals process. I highly doubt the new policy will include a loophole that will allow for a 2nd appeal.I already know everyone is gonna jump on me and say "prove it" but Gordon is appealing this suspension. He is trying to get this thing reduced even more. I know someone in his agency and thats what they are working on now. Go ahead and start questioning me fellas.
As has also been previously noted in this thread, he has NO legal basis for a lawsuit, either.
I guess we'll defer to your expertise on labor law and collective bargaining agreements.As has also been previously noted in this thread, he has NO legal basis for a lawsuit, either.