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GoBirds
Footballguy
He's overpriced which is what my initial statement was based on. Of course he has you and your handful of buddies that will stroke him regardless but the facts are the facts. Unless you keep changing the definition of overrated.
Koya
Footballguy
Don't know how you can say this was anything but a very disappointing campaign. Unlike previous years he didn't even have that sick first half that propelled teams to early leads in their leagues.
To me it's about health. Other than Gronk there is no other site bet elite guy ... J Thomas has shown more than flashes but not consistently great.
Graham still has the legit promise of being a top 5 game changer for FF... If he can just put together a healthy year that's stud RB1/WR1 numbers at TE. He'll even rivals some lower end QBs.
He's become on of the bigger high risk high reward players out there for next year.
To me it's about health. Other than Gronk there is no other site bet elite guy ... J Thomas has shown more than flashes but not consistently great.
Graham still has the legit promise of being a top 5 game changer for FF... If he can just put together a healthy year that's stud RB1/WR1 numbers at TE. He'll even rivals some lower end QBs.
He's become on of the bigger high risk high reward players out there for next year.
and he was absolutely worth a first round pick 2 of the last 4 years.
i do hope his value drops next year and he is available in the 3rd or 4th.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You may need to change the defnition of "extremely overrated".
And you still need glasses. He is a great football player.
GoBirds
Footballguy
This is a fantasy football forum, this year he was overrated in fantasy football. If now you are talking about real life, when healthy yes he is a great football player.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, you talked about "what you saw" and then being "overrated".
In dynasty I think his value is higher than in redraft. A consistent top 2 TE for the next handful of years with potential for huge years (and a very high floor considering he just put up good numbers with a fairly significant injury for most the year), while also playing with a top end QB for the foreseeable future.
In the 1.5 PPR for TE leagues (like the FFPC), he is still a top 5-10 overall dynasty player for me, easily.
Now in redraft, well, even with injuries and a so-so season by his standards he was still more valuable than half the 1st round picks taken this year, mainly because RB scoring isn't nearly as consistent as he is.
Where exactly do you think taking him is "too high"? At what pick would you say "ok, I can see taking him there"? I guess this has two answers, one for 1 PPR and one for 1.5 PPR.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Very true, but his style should hold up well for a while. Plus the new rules will keep him healthy.
zamboni
Footballguy
Which new rules do you mean? Jimmy seems to be having problems staying healthy regardless of the rules in place.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Brees (somewhat) decline was in part because he was down a lot of options. Graham was not his peak self and it clearly showed in his drops and mobility. Cooks was hurt and Ir'd and that had an impact. Colston is done and Pierre was hurt. The passing game had very few consistent and good options.
Doug B
Footballguy
Pay attention, too, what the Saints do with their offensive line thisoff-season. The interior of the line dropped a lot in quality over the past few years, and opposing teams have gotten consistent ip-the-middle pressure on Brees -- which is Drew's kryptonite.
C Jonathan Goodwin has been a mensch for years in the league, but his body is letting him down now. C-G Tim Lelito is much more solid of an option at center, so here's hoping he sticks in 2015. Lelito could also be moved to guard to replace a likely-gone disappointmet Ben Grubbs. Starting to see G Jahri Evans breaking down a bit, but I think he can bring it another season or two.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
If they can land a Zach Martin type in the first round that could be a great start. Someone who can come in and be effective immediately. Land a pretty good FA lineman as well and this team is still an elite contender.
Bad year all around the foundation is still there.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Gronk and maybe Olsen surpass him in my book..maybe NY Giants sign Julius Thomas and his stock goes through the roof..they sorely need a TE
ghostguy123
Footballguy
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Faust
MVP
Saints trade Jimmy Graham to Seahawks: 5 things to know
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25101407/saint-trade-jimmy-graham-to-seahawks-5-things-to-know
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25101407/saint-trade-jimmy-graham-to-seahawks-5-things-to-know
Faust
MVP
Jimmy Graham should be difference-maker for Seahawks:
http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/12315/jimmy-graham-should-be-difference-maker-for-the-seahawks
http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/12315/jimmy-graham-should-be-difference-maker-for-the-seahawks
Faust
MVP
Graham's acquisition will have major impact on Seahawks:
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/103618/grahams-acquisition-will-have-major-impact-for-seahawks
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/103618/grahams-acquisition-will-have-major-impact-for-seahawks
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Prediction on Jimmy Graham - 60-800-7
ghostguy123
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He would have loved Miami.
I hope it works out for him in Seattle, but he was loved in NO, by teammates and fans alike. - In Seattle they understandably have a tough, prove-it mentality and yeah they will want him to take on their mentality. Jimmy had some real oh-lay moves on the line sometimes during run plays and broken plays, I don't think they will appreciate that in Seattle. Here we'd ask, 'why the hell are we running? Throw it to Jimmy!'
The Claymaker
Footballguy
Seems like his own teammates even think he's soft and probably game played him that way, luckily for Jimmy he now plays for the team that did that the best. I still think he will be a top 5 TE, I think his TD's will stay up but receptions and yards will dip.
Do you know he took himself out of games or was just playing injured and got his snap count cut? Can you name a teammate he played with that said he was soft?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Jimmy is tough as all hell once he catches the ball. No one ever accused him of malingering and quite the opposite the accusation was he played through pain too much. And there's definitely no shame in saying he was one of many who got bracketed into silence by the Seahawks backfield.
The Claymaker
Footballguy
Michael Bennett is his teammate and he said it. So if he's saying it as a teammate you know the entire team thought as an opponent. Obviously Jimmy is a very talented player and Seattle needed a good receiver and he is that and more.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
So you mean an athletic freak is still an athletic freak even with Wilson as his QB? I'm floored.
They threw him a ton of passes in the RZ, I guess you can say I'm equally as floored that the teams play callers are utilizing the athletic freak the way he should.
From the article:
Graham averaged 138 targets per year during his past four seasons in New Orleans, where the three-time Pro Bowler was the favorite target of quarterback Drew Brees. Seeing routine double coverage, Graham relied on his dominant 6-foot-7 frame to win matchups.
"I know I'm probably not going to get targeted 130 times," Graham said of his new team. "But that's not my concern; I just want to win games. And I know there will be times -- big moments in a game -- where I'm going to have to go out there and make a play. That's what I'm focusing on."
