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Once the council blew Sam's idea of a democracy out of the water......the idea that one of the legitimate heirs of the Seven Kingdoms was to become King made the most sense.  To that, you have Sweet Robin (Eyrie), Bran (North), and Tyrion( West).  Gendry was a bastard legitmized by Dany...that doesn't count. There were no male heirs to the Iron Islands.  There were no heirs to The Reach.  There was no direct heir to Dorne.  The Riverlands aren't one of the Seven Kingdom( eliminating Edmure).

Tyrion isn't going to be King after the #### he pulled.

Sweet Robin.....noone wanted him anyway.

Bran......... sure he's a cripple. But he's a Stark and most people don't know how badly he checked out.  The reasons were stupid (this king has stories)......but Bran as the King isn't bad.  

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I bet all those people who named their daughters  “Khaleesi” feel kinda dumb right now.

Why do people say the Arya thing is fan service? That’s so ### #### lazy. They spent 7 ####ing seasons working up to that. Pay attention. 

Let's talk about danny. First, she was nothing without her claim to the throne.  She was raised by her ######## brother to think that was the only thing that mattered. Episode 1 he starts out by

3 hours ago, bostonfred said:

There were five stark children plus Theon and Jon

Robb, the oldest, charged into battle but died because he chose himself over his honor. 

Rickon died because of theon

Theon was caught between two families and chose the wrong one, paid a steep price for betraying the stark family, almost died saving sansa then actually died saving bran

Sansa wanted to be queen then found out the hard way that it was horrible, but ultimately rules the north

Arya never wanted to be queen or part of any royal family, she wanted to learn how to fight. From the first episode, bran couldn't hit the target with an arrow and arya did. She avenged robb and saved the world and then when she was presented with an opportunity to be with gendry she said no and went out to explore the world on her own terms

Jon wanted to be a ranger, then he got to know the wildlings. He saved the night's watch from the wildlings, saved the wildlings from the night king, saved winterfell from ramsay and saved westeros from dany even though it cost him the throne. He went back to exactly where he wanted to be. 

Bran appeared to have had everything taken from him be the lannisters and ultimately became the wisest or at least most knowledgeable and he was the rightful heir. 

All of them had fully fleshed out arcs that made sense. They may have been rushed or you might not have wanted the ending you got but they all ended up exactly where they should have

Wow, that’s a long winded way of saying they all got somewhere. When did I ever say anything about the final position? I’m very well aware of what happened. I think you missed my point earlier. Bran ended up king, great. That still doesn’t answer why they just basically just wrapped up all that build up of John’s background into a who cares. The Night King destroys the wall at the end of the 7th season and is central to the entire story starting with the first scene. What do we get in last season? A dimly lit battle where somehow all the key folks live, the Dothraki and Unsullied armies appear to be wiped out only to find out they were just hiding for the next episode and about 1 minute of screen time where it all gets wrapped up in a bow so we can get in another quick battle and get to the really important last small council.

The rushing ruined the story telling. Feel free to keep trying to make it seem like they did a great job but the last season was universally panned. Look at ratings like rotten tomatoes. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to get. Some of the story arcs just ended or were forced to get to that ending. I don’t care as much about the end point but the last season was nowhere on the same level as the prior 7. I know there were issues with the 6th and 7th but they had some great parts and enough that I still really enjoyed them. 

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2 hours ago, Thunderlips said:

Once the council blew Sam's idea of a democracy out of the water......the idea that one of the legitimate heirs of the Seven Kingdoms was to become King made the most sense.  To that, you have Sweet Robin (Eyrie), Bran (North), and Tyrion( West).  Gendry was a bastard legitmized by Dany...that doesn't count. There were no male heirs to the Iron Islands.  There were no heirs to The Reach.  There was no direct heir to Dorne.  The Riverlands aren't one of the Seven Kingdom( eliminating Edmure).

Tyrion isn't going to be King after the #### he pulled.

Sweet Robin.....noone wanted him anyway.

Bran......... sure he's a cripple. But he's a Stark and most people don't know how badly he checked out.  The reasons were stupid (this king has stories)......but Bran as the King isn't bad.  

I’m not sure how my critique of them cutting off story lines became a John should be king over Bran. It was more of a hey there’s no way to give it the treatment it deserved so let’s just do a great Tyrion speech since everyone loved his trial (I did). Saves time and we can get to our Netflix money. It was like they just tried to ignore it. Same with the WWs. One battle scene and be done with it.

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7 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Wow, that’s a long winded way of saying they all got somewhere. When did I ever say anything about the final position? I’m very well aware of what happened. I think you missed my point earlier. Bran ended up king, great. That still doesn’t answer why they just basically just wrapped up all that build up of John’s background into a who cares. The Night King destroys the wall at the end of the 7th season and is central to the entire story starting with the first scene. What do we get in last season? A dimly lit battle where somehow all the key folks live, the Dothraki and Unsullied armies appear to be wiped out only to find out they were just hiding for the next episode and about 1 minute of screen time where it all gets wrapped up in a bow so we can get in another quick battle and get to the really important last small council.

The rushing ruined the story telling. Feel free to keep trying to make it seem like they did a great job but the last season was universally panned. Look at ratings like rotten tomatoes. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to get. Some of the story arcs just ended or were forced to get to that ending. I don’t care as much about the end point but the last season was nowhere on the same level as the prior 7. I know there were issues with the 6th and 7th but they had some great parts and enough that I still really enjoyed them. 

Fwiw...fred's been pretty clear he agrees the last season was rushed. His points above we're about disagreeing about the story arcs for the stark kids being unresolved.

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33 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

Fwiw...fred's been pretty clear he agrees the last season was rushed. His points above we're about disagreeing about the story arcs for the stark kids being unresolved.

Right and I think I’ve been pretty clear that I’m not complaining about the end point. I never said something was unresolved. One of my examples, Dany blowing up the city, was basically done to get Tyrion and John on board with killing her. Same with making sure Jamie got back to Cersei so that miraculously they died in rubble but were exposed enough to be found by Tyrion again. I’m ok that Dany went mad but it was the pace and doing things that didn’t make sense to get her there in 1 episode. Buried in there is Euron being the magic man to create the baddest ships ever built in a fortnight, killing a dragon and capturing Missandei. Another example of trying to wrap things up in again a fortnight.

I’ll stop complaining but I would have been fine with every result if we didn’t have the rush and TWD type sloppiness like Danny’s army just magically being alive after being wiped out or Dany forgetting about the Iron Fleet so that she loses a dragon.

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1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I’ll stop complaining but I would have been fine with every result if we didn’t have the rush and TWD type sloppiness like Danny’s army just magically being alive after being wiped out or Dany forgetting about the Iron Fleet so that she loses a dragon.

Right, I think that's what most people were saying. 

Take the ending of the movie Seven.  If instead of the cat and mouse and the build to the deserted location at the end where Brad Pitt's character flips out after finding out "what's in the box", they could have had Kevin Spacey just show up at Brad Pitt's apartment earlier in the movie, kill his wife and be like "kill me, wrath boy!"  I mean, at some level it's the same ending, but your complaint about it wouldn't be the result, it would be how stupidly the movie got there.

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Just watched the battle where the dead stormed the castle.  Thought it was an awesome episode. 

Not entirely sure where Arya came from to jump 5 feet and land on the Night King, but all in all a damn good episode.  

Are the 20 main characters the only people still left alive?

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25 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Just watched the battle where the dead stormed the castle.  Thought it was an awesome episode. 

Not entirely sure where Arya came from to jump 5 feet and land on the Night King, but all in all a damn good episode.  

Are the 20 main characters the only people still left alive?

A lot of people still alive but the armies were definitely crushed.  In the minutes right after the night king dies, you see the dead collapse but also some of the living armies that were losing make it out alive. 

Here's a couple older scenes that help with the arya thing

https://youtu.be/9bI6h_9K4s0 - I knew I'd seen that move before

https://youtu.be/DPJ399yxdJU - how did you sneak up on me

You can go back to season 1 and see her sneak up on someone in winterfell in the exact same spot, too. This is a very rewatchable show, especially the first 4 seasons. 

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On 9/18/2020 at 4:32 PM, Thunderlips said:

I can't defend the pact of the show at the end. I'm not going to even try. It shouldn't have been 6 episodes...or if it were...it should have been 2 hour long episodes.  I wonder though if that matters when one goes back and binge watches it.

Winter coming wasn't rushed aside though.  It was a build up from the prologue of the first episode of S1.  There had to be an ending to it.......besides that, it was never the central focus of the realm.  It was secondary story to the actual "Game of Thrones". 

I like where Jon ended up to. He grew somewhat as a character.....and I think the optimal path in life for him would have been if he "stayed in the cave" with Ygritte......but in the end, a man of the North (because he was a Stark to the core) ended up in the True North.  That's perfect.  

Well said.

I get some of the criticism of the last season and agree with much of it, but this idea that the White Walkers story ended too fast is bunk.  Everything built to a showdown between the Night King and the Army of the Dead against the living, which we got.  The living won.  I guess some wanted the Night King to kill everyone in the North (that battle only had two legit ways of ending: the Night King kills everyone in the North and moves South to go after them, or the living kill the Night King and win the war) and then go South and kill everyone there, too.  Yeah, that would have been a real fun finish, all of the living wiped out and the Night King sitting on the Iron Throne. :lol:

As for Jon, yep, that was the perfect ending for him.  Zero quibbles about that at all.

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1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said:

About to watch the series finale.

So far so great.  The final season has been awesome.  Is the finale so awful it ruins the entire 8 seasons or something?

IF you've been o.k. with the rest of the season, you'll probably be o.k. with the last episode.

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On 9/19/2020 at 12:25 PM, Sinn Fein said:

But the Targaryens lost the throne, and any hereditary rights.

Robert Baratheon took the throne.

Then Cersei Lannister took the throne.

Since Cersie's children all died before her, and her older sibling died with her, then Cersie's younger brother would have been next in line - All Hail King Tyrion!

And Tyrion wanted it to be Bran.  So it does kind of make sense.  They just botched the delivery in its entirety from Season 5 on (other than Season 6).

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2 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

About to watch the series finale.

So far so great.  The final season has been awesome.  Is the finale so awful it ruins the entire 8 seasons or something?

Only if you read this thread

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