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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

ghostguy123 said:
Good lord.  Battle of the bastards was awesome

On season 6 finale right now, queen mother just blew up the church, and King Tommen just did a swan dive out the window.

Oh yeah, the shame lady is now stuck in a room with mutant mountain for who knows how long.  
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The build up for this whole part of the episode was awesome. Tommen just dropping out the window was the cherry on top. 

 
Enderdog said:
Nephew I think.
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Correct. Her older brother Rhaegar (not the brother from the start of the show....the one that King Robert killed during his rebellion prior to the events of the show)  was Jon's father.

 
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ghostguy123 said:
Everyone has me afraid for the seasons to come.  

Gonna try and enjoy the rest of this season 6 finale 
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dont be afraid. while the innernet and message boards love to pile on.

It ended how it ends

BTW Maise (arya) is in the new mutants movie, and I have to say, shes a cutie

 
ghostguy123 said:
Good lord.  Battle of the bastards was awesome

On season 6 finale right now, queen mother just blew up the church, and King Tommen just did a swan dive out the window.

Oh yeah, the shame lady is now stuck in a room with mutant mountain for who knows how long.  
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That battle is one of the best scenes they made

 
ghostguy123 said:
Not AS good, but the battle mid season 7 where the dragon let loose on the Lannister army was pretty sweet.  

I am 4 episodes into season 7.  All fantastic episodes so far.  
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The same scene where Jaime falls into knee-deep to a horse river that's bottomless to Jaime? In his armor? Yeah. That scene rocked.

I kid. Seeing the dragons in action was great. But no, I wasnt kidding about the river.

 
El Floppo said:
The same scene where Jaime falls into knee-deep to a horse river that's bottomless to Jaime? In his armor? Yeah. That scene rocked.

I kid. Seeing the dragons in action was great. But no, I wasnt kidding about the river.
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Yeah, head of the Lanister army but let’s not wait 30 seconds to see if he drowns. Nah, let’s cut away to a half hour later where somehow Bronn dove 50 feet and pulled him out of the hidden connected lake via an underwater tunnel because that’s the only way they’d be unseen.

Once the source material stopped the show runners showed that they weren’t any better than any other Hollywood action flick. Still had some fun scenes but the same stupid cut and don’t explain, awful if you think about them too much. My still worst part was:

Forcing Dany to be bad so John would have to kill her. Cersei kills Missandi (sp?) and Dany wants to kill her and Dany even says that she used people as shields but instead of just torching the red keep where we know Cersei is, she destroys the city and barely touches the red keep.


 
stbugs said:
Yeah, head of the Lanister army but let’s not wait 30 seconds to see if he drowns. Nah, let’s cut away to a half hour later where somehow Bronn dove 50 feet and pulled him out of the hidden connected lake via an underwater tunnel because that’s the only way they’d be unseen.

Once the source material stopped the show runners showed that they weren’t any better than any other Hollywood action flick. Still had some fun scenes but the same stupid cut and don’t explain, awful if you think about them too much. My still worst part was:

Forcing Dany to be bad so John would have to kill her. Cersei kills Missandi (sp?) and Dany wants to kill her and Dany even says that she used people as shields but instead of just torching the red keep where we know Cersei is, she destroys the city and barely touches the red keep.
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Knee deep to the horse. Jaime falls in and it's that pretty shot of him sinking and sinking. And sinking. In the exact same water that was just knee deep to his horse.

I know this doesn't define that episode where we finally got to see the dragons in action. but for me, it was the first The Walking Dead writing moment that just showed the writers were losing the battle. My jump the shark moment, even though i enjoyed the show until it's end...just finally with caveats instead of sheer entertainment.

 
El Floppo said:
Knee deep to the horse. Jaime falls in and it's that pretty shot of him sinking and sinking. And sinking. In the exact same water that was just knee deep to his horse.

I know this doesn't define that episode where we finally got to see the dragons in action. but for me, it was the first The Walking Dead writing moment that just showed the writers were losing the battle. My jump the shark moment, even though i enjoyed the show until it's end...just finally with caveats instead of sheer entertainment.
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Yep, way too many of those wait didn’t X just happen and now it’s the opposite. When the source material stopped they didn’t have good ways to go from one scene to the next. It became the typical cut away, oh Jamie’s fine. Dothraki wipes out, look away, oh there they all are, they were hiding LOL.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Council of surviving characters. Watching that I had forgotten how lousy season 8 was. 
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I can see not disliking it as much if you binged but when you had a week to discuss it you realized how sloppy they were and how much it turned into TWD where the show runners actually thought we cared more about Daryl and Carol interacting than a good story/show. They still do if that’s one of their new shows. 

 
stbugs said:
I can see not disliking it as much if you binged but when you had a week to discuss it you realized how sloppy they were and how much it turned into TWD where the show runners actually thought we cared more about Daryl and Carol interacting than a good story/show. They still do if that’s one of their new shows. 
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I remember watching a "making of" episode of TWD when it started really falling off a cliff.  All they talked about the whole episode was how they choreographed the zombie fight scenes and how they felt like they needed to "up the ante" with crazy zombie things (this episode had them falling through a collapsing roof onto the characters) and how they pulled that off.

No mention of the story or character development or anything like that.

I would imagine if we saw a "making of" of the last two GoT seasons it would be much the same.  To be fair there was lots of really cool movie level cinematography.  But there was just absolutely zero thought put into the characters, story, or dialogue.

Even beyond all the obvious my biggest disappointment character-wise remains Varys.

He goes from the most brilliant subversive and mysterious guy pulling the chords from behind the curtain to a moron walking around yelling "HAY GUYZ DOES ANYONE WANT TO BETRAY THE QUEEN WITH ME?  ANYONE?? BOY I REALLY HOPE SHE DOESN'T HEAR THIS!
 
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FreeBaGeL said:
I remember watching a "making of" episode of TWD when it started really falling off a cliff.  All they talked about the whole episode was how they choreographed the zombie fight scenes and how they felt like they needed to "up the ante" with crazy zombie things (this episode had them falling through a collapsing roof onto the characters) and how they pulled that off.

No mention of the story or character development or anything like that.

I would imagine if we saw a "making of" of the last two GoT seasons it would be much the same.  To be fair there was lots of really cool movie level cinematography.  But there was just absolutely zero thought put into the characters, story, or dialogue.

Even beyond all the obvious my biggest disappointment character-wise remains Varys.

He goes from the most brilliant subversive and mysterious guy pulling the chords from behind the curtain to a moron walking around yelling "HAY GUYZ DOES ANYONE WANT TO BETRAY THE QUEEN WITH ME?  ANYONE?? BOY I REALLY HOPE SHE DOESN'T HEAR THIS!
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He and Tyrion really got shafted when the source material ran out. And Jamie. And....

 
So many wtf moments but my biggest one was Jon Snow surviving the murder of Daenerys. Grey Worm is willing to kill innocents for his queen yet he brings her murderer in for trial. 

 
the way it ended it they should have brought in the brown family from alaskan bush people and had that one wierdo they call bear who runs around like he is on meth and climbs up trees and stuff eat a dragon and howl like a wolf and then have the guys from orange county choppers show up and the whole series ends with a fight to the death motorcycle build off between paul sr and paul jr and whoever wins gets to become the king of the dragonlords take that to the bank bromigos 

 
SWC said:
the way it ended it they should have brought in the brown family from alaskan bush people and had that one wierdo they call bear who runs around like he is on meth and climbs up trees and stuff eat a dragon and howl like a wolf and then have the guys from orange county choppers show up and the whole series ends with a fight to the death motorcycle build off between paul sr and paul jr and whoever wins gets to become the king of the dragonlords take that to the bank bromigos 
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That would have made more sense.

 
can you even imagine john snow and cerci having to judge whether paul srs old school chopper is better then whatever spider web pile of crap paul jr trots out there it would have been totally awesome take that to the bank brohans 

 
SWC said:
can you even imagine john snow and cerci having to judge whether paul srs old school chopper is better then whatever spider web pile of crap paul jr trots out there it would have been totally awesome take that to the bank brohans 
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Does this mean Mikey has to turn into a tree 🌲?

 
fruity pebbles said:
So many wtf moments but my biggest one was Jon Snow surviving the murder of Daenerys. Grey Worm is willing to kill innocents for his queen yet he brings her murderer in for trial. 
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Remember the former slave who committed murder for dany?  And then she had him executed, and all of her loving fans hissed at her and the unsullied had to protect her on the way out?  Grey worm was supposed to suddenly be undisciplined and do something his former queen explicitly forbade?  Also Grey worm never killed innocent people in his mind. He killed people on his queen's orders because she said they were guilty and it was necessary.  He didn't kill snow who was arguably the rightful king, but he brought him to trial and intended to be the one to legally kill him. 

Oh and by the way,, she was breaking the wheel, which was totally consistent with her character since early in the show. She was taking westeros the way her father did, which was totally consistent with her character since early in the show. She extracted revenge on all of westeros because one of her dragons died when she tried to protect them and another died when she tried to come back. She was also the daughter of the mad king and lost her ####, which by the way, happened more and more throughout the show, from season two WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS to season seven burning samwise's dad and brother alive. 

 
stbugs said:
One of my favorite videos. Worst part is that everything was so true.

How do they survive?

By being off screen for a little bit.
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Yes that reminds me of tyrion fighting at the battle of blackwater taking a sword to the face in the middle of the vanguard and waking up in bed with a bandage, or Jon Snow getting smothered and then waking up to Ramsey with a shield and taking arrow after arrow then beating him within an inch of his life. The surviving characters thing happened all show.  

 
El Floppo said:
Knee deep to the horse. Jaime falls in and it's that pretty shot of him sinking and sinking. And sinking. In the exact same water that was just knee deep to his horse.

I know this doesn't define that episode where we finally got to see the dragons in action. but for me, it was the first The Walking Dead writing moment that just showed the writers were losing the battle. My jump the shark moment, even though i enjoyed the show until it's end...just finally with caveats instead of sheer entertainment.
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Tyrion falling overboard, hands tied, while khaleesi was fighting off the stone men, pops up unharmed, or Arya taking a knife to the chest from a trained assassin who can jump over buildings and she just kind of rolls over the bridge and the waif is like, nah, she's dead, I won't go get her and bring her body back like everyone that the faceless men killed before. 

 
All of the complaints about the season being rushed were totally valid. I am frustrated that the last season was the worst, but it seems like people are way over the top with this stuff

 
bostonfred said:
Yes that reminds me of tyrion fighting at the battle of blackwater taking a sword to the face in the middle of the vanguard and waking up in bed with a bandage, or Jon Snow getting smothered and then waking up to Ramsey with a shield and taking arrow after arrow then beating him within an inch of his life. The surviving characters thing happened all show.  
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I don’t agree that they are even close. There was no cut away and an implausible lack of explanation. Tyrion survived the sword because he went down and got picked up by the people who won the battle. John didn’t actually get smothered, he crawled out (we saw it) so he wasn’t coming back from the dead again. Not quite the same as wearing full armor, sinking 100 feet and magically appearing a half mile away without breathing or being overrun by zombies who won the battle and somehow didn’t kill only the key characters. Hopeless situations where the way they survived didn’t fit what we were seeing. I’ll throw out a similar situation in TWD. Maybe you saw it, maybe you didn’t but when Rick was about to die we see hordes of zombies about 10 yards away from all angles while he’s still impaled on a slab of concrete. Cut away and next episode he’s being carried away in a helicopter.

There’s a big difference between a plausible survival we see or a plausible scenario we don’t because the character is knocked out and an implausible scenario where survival is only because we didn’t technically see the death.

 
stbugs said:
I don’t agree that they are even close. There was no cut away and an implausible lack of explanation. Tyrion survived the sword because he went down and got picked up by the people who won the battle. John didn’t actually get smothered, he crawled out (we saw it) so he wasn’t coming back from the dead again. Not quite the same as wearing full armor, sinking 100 feet and magically appearing a half mile away without breathing or being overrun by zombies who won the battle and somehow didn’t kill only the key characters. Hopeless situations where the way they survived didn’t fit what we were seeing. I’ll throw out a similar situation in TWD. Maybe you saw it, maybe you didn’t but when Rick was about to die we see hordes of zombies about 10 yards away from all angles while he’s still impaled on a slab of concrete. Cut away and next episode he’s being carried away in a helicopter.

There’s a big difference between a plausible survival we see or a plausible scenario we don’t because the character is knocked out and an implausible scenario where survival is only because we didn’t technically see the death.
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🙂  you win you have my permission to not enjoy the thing you didnt enjoy and complain about it while the one guy here who is actually watching it for the first time seems to be enjoying it. Let's make sure he hates it as much as you did

 
What are the chances that Martin sees how poorly that last season was received and decides to go a completely different route?  I think I heard he provided a general direction of how it would go.  I wonder if they had contractual language in there that essentially obligates him to write it according to that path.

 
All I know is that I spent over a month at home with practically nothing to do but watch netflix/movies/tv at night and I had zero desire to re-watch the series.  Zero.  Never even considered it.  Play a ####ty board game?  Sure.  Re-watch GOT?  #### no.  The last season was so poorly done that it killed my desire to watch any of it again and some of those early seasons were spectacular.

 
encaitar said:
All I know is that I spent over a month at home with practically nothing to do but watch netflix/movies/tv at night and I had zero desire to re-watch the series.  Zero.  Never even considered it.  Play a ####ty board game?  Sure.  Re-watch GOT?  #### no.  The last season was so poorly done that it killed my desire to watch any of it again and some of those early seasons were spectacular.
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Same sentiment, but my line is farther out than that.  Awesome moments and episodes here and there, but the show lost me about 1/2 way through S5.  Every once in awhile I have the urge to watch 1-4, but I doubt I would go much farther than that.  

 
bostonfred said:
🙂  you win you have my permission to not enjoy the thing you didnt enjoy and complain about it while the one guy here who is actually watching it for the first time seems to be enjoying it. Let's make sure he hates it as much as you did
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Set the bar low and he’ll enjoy it more than he would have. Trying to make great non-final season scenes appear as bad as some of the awfulness we got at the end is an interesting way to make people appreciate the good parts.

 
bostonfred said:
Remember the former slave who committed murder for dany?  And then she had him executed, and all of her loving fans hissed at her and the unsullied had to protect her on the way out?  Grey worm was supposed to suddenly be undisciplined and do something his former queen explicitly forbade?  Also Grey worm never killed innocent people in his mind. He killed people on his queen's orders because she said they were guilty and it was necessary.  He didn't kill snow who was arguably the rightful king, but he brought him to trial and intended to be the one to legally kill him. 

Oh and by the way,, she was breaking the wheel, which was totally consistent with her character since early in the show. She was taking westeros the way her father did, which was totally consistent with her character since early in the show. She extracted revenge on all of westeros because one of her dragons died when she tried to protect them and another died when she tried to come back. She was also the daughter of the mad king and lost her ####, which by the way, happened more and more throughout the show, from season two WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS to season seven burning samwise's dad and brother alive. 
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thats all well and good but it lacks a motorcycle build off so whatever is all i am sayin take that to the bank brohan

 
look what it needed was the guys from bearing sea gold diggers to be a secret army armed with suction dredges and when a dragon started firing them they would turn on the dredge and suck the dragon in and run it through a shaker or trommel and no way a dragon is walking away from that type of vibration and best of all it might even end up that a dragon going through the shaker has a bunch of nice nugs which are gold nuggets if you are in the know in its scales so not only does the bearing sea gold diggers army wins but it comes out of the war totally filthy rich and mr gold is the new king of the world and that my friends is how the series should have ended take that to the bank bromigos 

 
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