Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

[Moonlight]

It really wasn’t a hard story to wrap up either. The pieces were all there but instead of making something interesting and incorporating the character development of the previous seasons, they just went straight from point A to point B. Made something that really didn’t make sense, ignored most questions that were brought up in previous seasons and mailed it in. There are dozens of fan endings online that would have been ten times better. Thing that sucks the most is it killed the rewatchability of the show, atleast for me. I haven’t really thought of it much at all since it ended and I couldn’t wait for each new episode as they aired. Never hear anyone talking about it even a couple weeks after the finale. It kinda ended and disappeared. So strange for a show that was a cultural phenomenon.

Reminded me of a Hallmark Channel movie as it ended. I am going to have little faith in any other GOT related shows these two guys develop.

 

[ghostguy123]

I wish The Walking Dead would have been picked up and produced by HBO.  As much as I liked that show for a while, it would have been so much better HBO style.

 

[ghostguy123]

Ok so the redhead lady gave birth to a ghost baby who found it's way to king whatever his name is and murdered him right in front of the she-man who was supposed to protect him.

Two questions.

1- what???

2- why not just give birth to a ghost baby to kill everyone you want dead?

 

[TLEF316]

It really wasn’t a hard story to wrap up either. The pieces were all there but instead of making something interesting and incorporating the character development of the previous seasons, they just went straight from point A to point B. Made something that really didn’t make sense, ignored most questions that were brought up in previous seasons and mailed it in. There are dozens of fan endings online that would have been ten times better. Thing that sucks the most is it killed the rewatchability of the show, atleast for me. I haven’t really thought of it much at all since it ended and I couldn’t wait for each new episode as they aired. Never hear anyone talking about it even a couple weeks after the finale. It kinda ended and disappeared. So strange for a show that was a cultural phenomenon.

They went from epic, incredibly written and acted scenes like this  to "She's MAH QUEEN!!!!!!"

God those last 2 season were amateur hour (other than some technically great battle scenes). NONE of the writing or "character development"  made any sense. Everything just clumisly stumbled along to get the plot to the finish line so they could completely ruin the arcs of most of the main characters.

 

[Ghost Rider]

While I stand firm that the GoT ending was not awful like many think (it was mostly good, not great), this is a lesson to all future TV show writers to never start a series based on a book, or series of books, until the writer of the book(s) is actually finished with the damn thing.  Had Martin finished the books in a timely manner, we likely get the awesome ending to the TV show that everyone wanted, but in Martin's defense, you can't force a writer to write not on his time table and expect good results.

 

[ghostguy123]

While I stand firm that the GoT ending was not awful like many think (it was mostly good, not great), this is a lesson to all future TV show writers to never start a series based on a book, or series of books, until the writer of the book(s) is actually finished with the damn thing.  Had Martin finished the books in a timely manner, we likely get the awesome ending to the TV show that everyone wanted, but in Martin's defense, you can't force a writer to write not on his time table and expect good results.

There is no lesson.  They made bank, and tons of people loved the show.

If anything the lesson is for other writers who didn't do this show years earlier and missed out on a ton of money.  

 

[FreeBaGeL]

While I stand firm that the GoT ending was not awful like many think (it was mostly good, not great), this is a lesson to all future TV show writers to never start a series based on a book, or series of books, until the writer of the book(s) is actually finished with the damn thing.  Had Martin finished the books in a timely manner, we likely get the awesome ending to the TV show that everyone wanted, but in Martin's defense, you can't force a writer to write not on his time table and expect good results.

I still think it would have been a huge step down given the show runner's unwillingness to give a #### anymore.  The dialogue and whatnot the last two seasons was awful, after being great in the preceeding six seasons.  It's not like they had previously pulled all of the dialogue straight out of the book.  They were clearly capable of coming up with stuff that made sense beyond "I don't want it".

The real lesson here is don't try and milk a serialized drama beyond 4-6 seasons.  Really 4-5 is the sweet spot.  A ton of these shows have fallen off after that point.  GoT successfully made it through 6 seasons without a dropoff (if anything the end of season 6 was one of the high points of the series, and Winds of Winter was one of the best episodes), but there are very few shows beyond sitcoms that maintain anywhere near their level of quality beyond 6 seasons.

 

[Moonlight]

They went from epic, incredibly written and acted scenes like this  to "She's MAH QUEEN!!!!!!"

God those last 2 season were amateur hour (other than some technically great battle scenes). NONE of the writing or "character development"  made any sense. Everything just clumisly stumbled along to get the plot to the finish line so they could completely ruin the arch of most of the main characters.

Few have Martin's talent and the time he took to develop intricate plotting ,fascinating characters, inspired dialogue plus the necessary  imagination to create a new fantasy world.

Once the well ran dry of source material they were exposed as being somewhat ordinary writers competent for some things but unable to match the preceding seasons.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I still think it would have been a huge step down given the show runner's unwillingness to give a #### anymore.  The dialogue and whatnot the last two seasons was awful, after being great in the preceeding six seasons.  It's not like they had previously pulled all of the dialogue straight out of the book.  They were clearly capable of coming up with stuff that made sense beyond "I don't want it".

The real lesson here is don't try and milk a serialized drama beyond 4-6 seasons.  Really 4-5 is the sweet spot.  A ton of these shows have fallen off after that point.  GoT successfully made it through 6 seasons without a dropoff (if anything the end of season 6 was one of the high points of the series, and Winds of Winter was one of the best episodes), but there are very few shows beyond sitcoms that maintain anywhere near their level of quality beyond 6 seasons.

I agree with this.  Too many shows stretch it out too long and the overall quality sags.

 

[Capella]

I guess they got a nextflix deal and money obviously will never be a problem, but it will be nearly impossible for them to be taken seriously again by the audience. And their failure killed any and all enthusiasm for the GoT's spinoffs as well.  Just an insane failure

You are severely overestimating angry internet dork mob influence. Message boards and twitter aren’t real life. I know multiple GoT diehards who read the books and thought the final two seasons were fine. My wife read all the books and I just asked her what she thought about the ending - “it was fine. Why?”

She’s never heard of B&B and I’d guess 95% of the people who watched the show haven’t either. For most people it isn’t that serious. 

 

[Ghost Rider]

You are severely overestimating angry internet dork mob influence. Message boards and twitter aren’t real life. I know multiple GoT diehards who read the books and thought the final two seasons were fine. My wife read all the books and I just asked her what she thought about the ending - “it was fine. Why?”

She’s never heard of B&B and I’d guess 95% of the people who watched the show haven’t either. For most people it isn’t that serious. 

Exactly.  I work with a guy who didn't love the last season, but thought it was decent enough (we would talk about it every Monday morning), and then all of a sudden, months later, he was referring to it as the worst thing ever, meaning he got swept up reading the negative opinions of internet nerds (like us, just not us exactly ) who trashed it and his opinion magically changed over night.

 

[ghostguy123]

Exactly.  I work with a guy who didn't love the last season, but thought it was decent enough (we would talk about it every Monday morning), and then all of a sudden, months later, he was referring to it as the worst thing ever, meaning he got swept up reading the negative opinions of internet nerds (like us, just not us exactly ) who trashed it and his opinion magically changed over night.

Discussing these shows on message boards like this probably drags down the enjoyment factor.  Rather than sitting back and enjoying you start looking for certain things or forming an opinion based on what other people say.  

I am kinda glad I missed that when this show was popular

 

[Ghost Rider]

Discussing these shows on message boards like this probably drags down the enjoyment factor.  Rather than sitting back and enjoying you start looking for certain things or forming an opinion based on what other people say.  

I am kinda glad I missed that when this show was popular

Great point.  I guess I am lucky that for Game of Thrones, The Sopranos and Breaking Bad, I didn't get into any of those shows until right before their final seasons.  It wasn't by design, it's just the way it worked out timing-wise for me.  In all three cases, I binged watched the crap out of all of them and got caught up in time to watch the final season in real time. 

 

[TLEF316]

You are severely overestimating angry internet dork mob influence. Message boards and twitter aren’t real life. I know multiple GoT diehards who read the books and thought the final two seasons were fine. My wife read all the books and I just asked her what she thought about the ending - “it was fine. Why?”

She’s never heard of B&B and I’d guess 95% of the people who watched the show haven’t either. For most people it isn’t that serious. 

I think there are a lot more people than just the "internet dorks" that hated the ending. But there's really no point going back and forth with anecdotal evidence.

I'm sure there were plenty of people that called themselves "fans of the show" even though they couldn't name all the characters and  "watched the show" while surfing Twitter on their phone.  And they're the ones (just because of volume) that take a show like this from big to cultural phenomenon.

But at the end of the day, I don't think the spinoffs ever get off the ground without the "internet dorks" driving the initial hype. And those folks are gonna be hard to win over.  If they try to build a new show with season 8 style big set pieces rather than great characters and dialogue I think they'll fail.

 

[The General]

I wish The Walking Dead would have been picked up and produced by HBO.  As much as I liked that show for a while, it would have been so much better HBO style.

HBO needs to pick up World War Z - the book.

Produce like 9-10 of the best stories from there in 1 hour episodes. Could be so great.

 

[El Floppo]

These discussions change what you guys think of the show? Really?

For me...its a chance to bring up things I like or didn't like and see if there's agreement, disagreement or stuff I may have missed. I don't recall my opinion or enjoyment of this or any other show changing because other people disagree with it, or point out other things in here.

 

[El Floppo]

I do wonder about the affect random internet dorks have on productions. There have been some well loved shows that still get axed

 

[ghostguy123]

HBO needs to pick up World War Z - the book.

Produce like 9-10 of the best stories from there in 1 hour episodes. Could be so great.

Would be wonderful.  

 

[KarmaPolice]

I wish The Walking Dead would have been picked up and produced by HBO.  As much as I liked that show for a while, it would have been so much better HBO style.

Oh, just wait until the final few seasons when GOT turns into TWD.   

 

[Moonlight]

The last two seasons killed my appetite for the show, particularly the last season.

I do not see myself re-watching the series after such a disappointing conclusion.

I also do not trust the writers to develop anything more than average for any spinoffs.

However, I am willing to reread the books especially if the next one is published.

 

[flapgreen]

Maybe the greatest show ever made that was ruined over it's last 2 seasons by the morons running it.  It should've went down as the best TV series in history. Instead, they both deserve to be shot and never work again. I'm disgusted by them. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

What are D&D going to be working on for NF? 

 

[stbugs]

Didn't I read this exact paragraph in the Lost thread?

I’ve rewatched a bunch of Lost, it’s a large time commitment so haven’t finished it. It didn’t end as badly. While people may not have liked how it is ended as much (I liked it), it wasn’t like the show runners wanted to get it done as fast as possible. It’s a shame, even if @Capella’s wife was ok with it , that a show easily among the best ever just fell apart so badly. Again, big difference between not liking an ending and feeling like it was a different show all together. I have no interest in rewatching because the last seasons were just so silly at points that you felt like you were watching two different shows. It’s still Batman but it’s like Heath Ledger’s Joker compared to the villains in Batman and Robin. Two different worlds of the same show.

 

[facook]

Discussing these shows on message boards like this probably drags down the enjoyment factor.  Rather than sitting back and enjoying you start looking for certain things or forming an opinion based on what other people say.  

I am kinda glad I missed that when this show was popular

There has never been a tv series thread on this message board that wasn't at least half-full of idiocy, trolling, and miserable people.

 

[The Gator]

There has never been a tv series thread on this message board that wasn't at least half-full of idiocy, trolling, and miserable people.

FYP

 

[Super King]

Ok so the redhead lady gave birth to a ghost baby who found it's way to king whatever his name is and murdered him right in front of the she-man who was supposed to protect him.

Two questions.

1- what???

2- why not just give birth to a ghost baby to kill everyone you want dead?

If you look closer to the face of the spectre, it actually has Stannis' face. 

And, the red woman only had so much magic to go around :friedeggonanail:

 

[ghostguy123]

If you look closer to the face of the spectre, it actually has Stannis' face. 

And, the red woman only had so much magic to go around :friedeggonanail:

Right but like, ghost murder baby.  I was just like, whoa!!!

 

[ghostguy123]

Not to mention ugly dude somehow projecting himself all over the room and slitting everyone's throats with his projection clones.

 

[Super King]

Right but like, ghost murder baby.  I was just like, whoa!!!

Ummm...

 

[Chadstroma]

What are D&D going to be working on for NF? 

I don't know but hopefully they have source material to work from.... because without it.... 

 

[ghostguy123]

2nd to last episode, Stannis and his ships approaching the castle.  The green wild fire, or "pig s##t as Mr. Dinklage likes to call it.  That was awesome.  

Gotta love how he talked to the King.  Speaking of the king, wow what a snivvely little D bag.  Very well cast for that role, and he plays it rather well.  Same with the Queen.  Love Lena Headey.

It's so nice to be able to binge watch this and not wait a week between episodes.

 

[Mjolnirs]

Every day I see this thread on the first page, I wonder "what the hell is still going on in there."
Today I decided to open it, nothing.  The answer is nothing.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

Every day I see this thread on the first page, I wonder "what the hell is still going on in there."
Today I decided to open it, nothing.  The answer is nothing.

You know nothing, Mjolnirs.

 

[E Street Brat]

If you look closer to the face of the spectre, it actually has Stannis' face. 

And, the red woman only had so much magic to go around :friedeggonanail:

Didnt she need kings blood to make her magic work?

 

[Super King]

Didnt she need kings blood to make her magic work?

King's blood, or other kingly bodily fluids...

 

[ghostguy123]

Quite a few cliff hangers at the end of season 5, jesus

 

[Ilov80s]

Quite a few cliff hangers at the end of season 5, jesus

I assume that is the big Jon cliffhanger, right? 

 

[ghostguy123]

I assume that is the big Jon cliffhanger, right? 

Jon Snow stabbed by everyone, red head witch lady had just rode into town, Stannis was about to get chopped down by Breann of Tarth, Reek and Sansa Stark just jumped off the side of the castle, Emilka Clarke is surround by hundreds of people riding their horses in circles around her, Queen mother just did the naked walk of shame across town, Peter Dinklage and the bald dude were left to run a city they have never been to, and The iron hand Lannisters daughter was just poisoned and dead on the ship as they were leaving Dawn.  

There is probably more that I missed

Oh yeah, and the Mountain appears to be some sort of mutant monster

 

[Ilov80s]

Jon Snow stabbed by everyone, red head witch lady had just rode into town, Stannis was about to get chopped down by Breann of Tarth, Reek and Sansa Stark just jumped off the side of the castle, Emilka Clarke is surround by hundreds of people riding their horses in circles around her, Queen mother just did the naked walk of shame across town, Peter Dinklage and the bald dude were left to run a city they have never been to, and The iron hand Lannisters daughter was just poisoned and dead on the ship as they were leaving Dawn.  

There is probably more that I missed

Oh yeah, and the Mountain appears to be some sort of mutant monster

 

[stbugs]

Jon Snow stabbed by everyone, red head witch lady had just rode into town, Stannis was about to get chopped down by Breann of Tarth, Reek and Sansa Stark just jumped off the side of the castle, Emilka Clarke is surround by hundreds of people riding their horses in circles around her, Queen mother just did the naked walk of shame across town, Peter Dinklage and the bald dude were left to run a city they have never been to, and The iron hand Lannisters daughter was just poisoned and dead on the ship as they were leaving Dawn.  

There is probably more that I missed

Oh yeah, and the Mountain appears to be some sort of mutant monster

You just made me feel like I need to rewatch the seasons before it falls apart. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Some great stuff coming up in Season 6.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[ghostguy123]

Seriously that walk of shame that Lena Headey had to do was just brutal.  Rewatch that at least, towards end of the season 5 finale.  I have a feeling that "shame" lady is gonna get a serious throttling.  

 

[beer 30]

Seriously that walk of shame that Lena Headey had to do was just brutal.  Rewatch that at least, towards end of the season 5 finale.  I have a feeling that "shame" lady is gonna get a serious throttling.  

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

 

[ghostguy123]

Good lord.  Battle of the bastards was awesome

On season 6 finale right now, queen mother just blew up the church, and King Tommen just did a swan dive out the window.

Oh yeah, the shame lady is now stuck in a room with mutant mountain for who knows how long.  

 

[ghostguy123]

Everyone has me afraid for the seasons to come.  

Gonna try and enjoy the rest of this season 6 finale 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Seriously that walk of shame that Lena Headey had to do was just brutal.  Rewatch that at least, towards end of the season 5 finale.  I have a feeling that "shame" lady is gonna get a serious throttling.  

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1122285862270709761?lang=en

 

[ghostguy123]

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1122285862270709761?lang=en

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Wait, he was the loser and the rest of them had to wear dresses and walk through the rain? 

Some people can find a way to #### up free money.

 

[stbugs]

Everyone has me afraid for the seasons to come.  

Gonna try and enjoy the rest of this season 6 finale 

Actually, you may enjoy them more having the worry that it’ll suck. Season 7 wasn’t as bad as 8. There were good parts in there but you can tell that the show folks wanted to end it and didn’t have the source material. It just got away from them and parts of it seemed more like TWD type wrap up of story lines or ignoring of what just happened.

The simple statement is that the last two seasons feel different from the rest by a lot and aren’t as well put together. There’s still some really good stuff buried in there.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Season 5 was a harbinger of things to come. Season 6 gave me hope that it was a blip. Season 7 had some moments but was rushed and made little sense in a lot of instances. Season 8 was good for the first 2.75 episodes and then fell off a ####### cliff. 
 

I was a huge fan of the show and the books. Now I have no desire to rewatch it still and really don’t have much interest in the Targ spinoff either at this point. Though I am sure I will give it a shot. They really ruined all enthusiasm for the franchise — Breaking Bad and the Wire I have rewatched 3-4 times!