dansav 33 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 On September 4, 2016 at 9:32 AM, SaintsInDome2006 said: I think I'd go Moncrief over Sanders considering the QB situation in Den. True I posted like 3 months ago,. Thought Sanchez could dink and dunk to sandy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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chad in Indy 220 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 On September 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Milkman said: #2 on Indy imo..........When Luck was playing last year T.Y. had 74 targets in 7 games. Moncrief had 55. It should be lots of the same this year. Don't see him passing T.Y. for targets. That's not to say he can't have a great year as Indy's #2 but he'll be more TD dependent. A lot depends on the O-line play. Hilton gets a lot of ydg in chunks and needs time for plays to develop. Moncrief can be a chain mover, is a better redzone target.....plus a big play threat. Sorry, but Hilton just isn't on the same level as other stud small WRs like AB or OBD. It's why Hilton never gets more than 7-8 TDs per year. For the price, I'd rather take Moncrief with what I believe to be a higher ceiling. As to your target analysis, this was also bc Grigson was in denial of a bad free agency move meaning an over-the-hill Andre Johnson and Hilton were the normal WRs in 2 WR sets. You should see a jump in targets now that Andre was sent packing and Moncrief will be in on those 2 WR sets. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ministry of Pain 5,395 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 3 hours ago, chad in Indy said: A lot depends on the O-line play. Hilton gets a lot of ydg in chunks and needs time for plays to develop. Moncrief can be a chain mover, is a better redzone target.....plus a big play threat. Sorry, but Hilton just isn't on the same level as other stud small WRs like AB or OBD. It's why Hilton never gets more than 7-8 TDs per year. For the price, I'd rather take Moncrief with what I believe to be a higher ceiling. As to your target analysis, this was also bc Grigson was in denial of a bad free agency move meaning an over-the-hill Andre Johnson and Hilton were the normal WRs in 2 WR sets. You should see a jump in targets now that Andre was sent packing and Moncrief will be in on those 2 WR sets. Hilton is like DeSean Jackson, both have big hearts in small bodies. Hilton is the playmaker, not sure what you don't see in his game. How many teams you own Moncrief on? He is still developing, glad to give him praise when he makes it there but Moncrief is still learning and a work in progress. I think Hilton is still the guy with the most points in 2016 ahsh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chad in Indy 220 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 17 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said: Hilton is like DeSean Jackson, both have big hearts in small bodies. Hilton is the playmaker, not sure what you don't see in his game. How many teams you own Moncrief on? He is still developing, glad to give him praise when he makes it there but Moncrief is still learning and a work in progress. I think Hilton is still the guy with the most points in 2016 ahsh I own him in one league. Thx. My point was pretty direct. Andre Johnson accounted for 75+ targets last year. Moncrief should be the primary beneficiary of him leaving. Moncrief is by far a better redzone threat and is more likely to hit double digit TDs over Hilton. Ultimately, my point was that Hilton has a safer floor, but I didn't think Hilton was worth the WR1 price....I live in Indy so he goes for a bit of a premium here. I'd rather take Moncrief as a fringe WR2/3 who I see outperforming that. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 32 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 35 minutes ago, chad in Indy said: I own him in one league. Thx. My point was pretty direct. Andre Johnson accounted for 75+ targets last year. Moncrief should be the primary beneficiary of him leaving. Moncrief is by far a better redzone threat and is more likely to hit double digit TDs over Hilton. Ultimately, my point was that Hilton has a safer floor, but I didn't think Hilton was worth the WR1 price....I live in Indy so he goes for a bit of a premium here. I'd rather take Moncrief as a fringe WR2/3 who I see outperforming that. T.Y. Has a 82-1504-10 receiving line with Luck's last 16 full games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 47,463 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 On September 8, 2016 at 5:10 PM, dansav said: True I posted like 3 months ago,. Thought Sanchez could dink and dunk to sandy Ha sorry I didn't notice that. Sanch will be dinking elsewhere now but Siemian seems to be in a Kubiak offense now anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryno1980 81 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 43 minutes ago, the spanker said: T.Y. Has a 82-1504-10 receiving line with Luck's last 16 full games. That doesn't really prove anything. Moncrief has a 57-765-8 receiving line with Luck's last 16 full games and that includes his rookie year when Reggie Wayne was around to take 116 targets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 32 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just now, ryno1980 said: That doesn't really prove anything. Moncrief has a 57-765-8 receiving line with Luck's last 16 full games and that includes his rookie year when Reggie Wayne was around to take 116 targets. Thanks you just helped prove my point. What it proves is that it is an "assumption" Moncrief will score more TDs than Hilton. Regardless I expect Hilton to get more targets overall than Moncrief over the season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryno1980 81 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, the spanker said: Thanks you just helped prove my point. What it proves is that it is an "assumption" Moncrief will score more TDs than Hilton. Regardless I expect Hilton to get more targets overall than Moncrief over the season. No, not at all. There's no doubt Hilton is more probable to see more overall targets, but it should be very close. Moncrief has proven to score more TDs/target than Hilton. T.Y. has 110 more targets than Moncrief the past 2 seasons and 3 more TDs (12 to 9). The assumption I'm making is, since Moncrief was on pace for 120 targets with Luck under center in 2015, he should finish within 10-20 targets of Hilton overall. (T.Y.'s career-high is 139). Edited September 9, 2016 by ryno1980 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bostonfred 30,103 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 On 11/29/2015 at 5:37 PM, rickyg said: I dropped shorts for him just before 1pm games. Giggle 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chad in Indy 220 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 2 hours ago, the spanker said: T.Y. Has a 82-1504-10 receiving line with Luck's last 16 full games. Hilton hasn't flirted w double digit TD in any of his seasons. He just doesn't get RZ looks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 32 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Hilton's last 16 games with a healthy Luck don't lie -- 1500/10. Ignore them at your own risk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spider321 1,124 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 12 minutes ago, the spanker said: Hilton's last 16 games with a healthy Luck don't lie -- 1500/10. Ignore them at your own risk. No one is ignoring them. Hilton will be a very good 2nd option for Luck this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryno1980 81 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, the spanker said: Hilton's last 16 games with a healthy Luck don't lie -- 1500/10. Ignore them at your own risk. There was a good argument about Hilton's consistency throughout his career: Among top-tier WRs, and excluding his rookie season, Hilton leads with highest percentage of games under 10 PPR points at 37.5 percent, just ahead of Sammy Watkins. For where you had to draft Hilton, there are more consistent options. But isn't this a Moncrief thread? Hilton's presence doesn't hurt Donte, it helps him. Dorsett is the guy that could put a dent into both of of those guys, potentially. Edited September 10, 2016 by ryno1980 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 32 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, spider321 said: No one is ignoring them. Hilton will be a very good 2nd option for Luck this season. Surely you jest? On average from what I've 6 minutes ago, ryno1980 said: There was a good argument about Hilton's consistency throughout his career: Among top-tier WRS, and excluding his rookie season, Hilton leads with highest percentage of games under 10 PPR points at 37.5 percent, just ahead of Sammy Watkins. For where you had to draft Hilton, there are more consistent options. But isn't this a Moncrief thread? Hilton's presence doesn't hurt Donte, it helps him. Dorsett is the guy that could put a dent into both of of those guys, potentially. Yes and those stats are without Luck so your cherry picking here. In PPR, if you want to compare floors, Hilton in Luck's last 16 full games has a total of 3 games scoring less than 10 points (wk 2 vs Jets, wk 8 at CAR in 2015; wk 11 2014 vs NE). That's as many as OBJ and Megatron and one fewer than AJ Green in their QB's last 16 completed games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryno1980 81 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) Again, this is a Moncrief thread. It doesn't mean anything for Moncrief except helping provide someone the defense has to account for. Edited September 10, 2016 by ryno1980 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 32 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Just now, ryno1980 said: Again, this is a Moncrief thread. It doesn't mean anything for Moncrief. Hahaha...Okay it meant something a minute ago because your brought those Hilton stats up not me, correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryno1980 81 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, the spanker said: 5 minutes ago, the spanker said: Hahaha...Okay it meant something a minute ago because your brought those Hilton stats up not me, correct? It just meant I don't think Hilton is a lock for 1,500 and 10 TDs as you seem to think. My previous post about Moncrief is what I find relevant for Moncrief: Quote Moncrief has proven to score more TDs/target than Hilton. T.Y. has 110 more targets than Moncrief the past 2 seasons and 3 more TDs (12 to 9). The assumption I'm making is, since Moncrief was on pace for 120 targets with Luck under center in 2015, he should finish within 10-20 targets of Hilton overall. (T.Y.'s career-high is 139)." And they've both been without Luck the same amount of time during that time. Edited September 10, 2016 by ryno1980 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 32 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 22 minutes ago, spider321 said: No one is ignoring them. Hilton will be a very good 2nd option for Luck this season. Surely you Jest? Unless Moncrief adopts Hilton's work ethic and football IQ, he will always be second fiddle. The truth of the matter from my observations is a lot of people don't trust Hilton because of his build. Seems like every time a new WR shows up on the Colts roster with a bigger physique, they are quick to latch on with something like "He'll overtake T.Y. as the number one before long". T.Y. just keeps ripping up DBs like he has since his rookie year. 4,400 yds and 24 TDs in 4 years. If he was 6'4" those same people would be drafting him at half the number he's going at now (around 14th WR off the board according to FBG averages) with Luck back at full strength this year. I like Moncrief, too. I just don't think T.Y. is going anywhere when it comes to the #1 in Indy, barring injury. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spider321 1,124 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Just now, the spanker said: I like Moncrief, too. I just don't think T.Y. is going anywhere when it comes to the #1 in Indy, barring injury. I'm glad you think that. Good for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 32 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 We will revisit this thread at the end of the season gentlemen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ponchsox 622 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Can we agree that both TY and Moncrief will have good years if Luck plays 16? No reason the two can't split 15-20 TDs 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryno1980 81 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 ^Exactly. If Luck is healthy AND playing well, there should be close to 40 TDs to be spread around. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spider321 1,124 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 On 9/9/2016 at 11:58 PM, the spanker said: Surely you Jest? Unless Moncrief adopts Hilton's work ethic and football IQ, he will always be second fiddle. The truth of the matter from my observations is a lot of people don't trust Hilton because of his build. Seems like every time a new WR shows up on the Colts roster with a bigger physique, they are quick to latch on with something like "He'll overtake T.Y. as the number one before long". T.Y. just keeps ripping up DBs like he has since his rookie year. 4,400 yds and 24 TDs in 4 years. If he was 6'4" those same people would be drafting him at half the number he's going at now (around 14th WR off the board according to FBG averages) with Luck back at full strength this year. I like Moncrief, too. I just don't think T.Y. is going anywhere when it comes to the #1 in Indy, barring injury. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ponchsox 622 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Colts D is epically bad, this dude is going to rack up the garbage points along with Hilton. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otis 13,395 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 :hawk screech: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buck Bradcanon 1,434 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Getting an MRI on his shoulder after week 2 at Denver. I still have high hopes for this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
massraider 10,856 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Thought it was concussion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spider321 1,124 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, massraider said: Thought it was concussion. Patriots' injury report playbook. It will be a hangnail by tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buck Bradcanon 1,434 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Roto Quote ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Donte Moncrief will have an MRI on his shoulder Monday. Moncrief took a big hit from T.J. Ward in the second quarter of the Week 2 loss and never returned. Moncrief was thought to be dealing with a concussion initially, but a shoulder injury makes more sense considering he was allowed back on the sidelines during the game. If he is forced to miss any time, Phillip Dorsett would become a must-start option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spider321 1,124 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Any updates on his MRI? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Just now, spider321 said: Any updates on his MRI? No, but shoulder is better than neck. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 14,320 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Just now, spider321 said: Any updates on his MRI? I saw a tweet that he is expected to get his mri tonight 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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need2know 6,198 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Hope he's out so I can play dorsett. Don't hit me.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BassNBrew 10,571 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 On September 11, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Otis said: :hawk screech: This folks is the sound of a player doomed to a bad season. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spider321 1,124 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I guess his status is a Snowden level super secret. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saintfool 2,759 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Colts are brutal to watch right now. Playing the Chargers at home is a better match up than the Broncos on the road. They need this win badly and Moncrief - if he plays - can do good work here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, saintfool said: Colts are brutal to watch right now. Playing the Chargers at home is a better match up than the Broncos on the road. They need this win badly and Moncrief - if he plays - can do good work here. Chargers actually have really good corners. Its rb n tes that been killing them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saintfool 2,759 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Just now, bicycle_seat_sniffer said: Chargers actually have really good corners. Its rb n tes that been killing them Chargers defense might be good but it's a big step down from the 10000 Immortals in Denver. I think the Chargers should win but that doesn't mean the Colts can't put up some points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bucsfan5493 645 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 hour ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said: Chargers actually have really good corners. Its rb n tes that been killing them Who is opposite of Verrett? I know to usually stay away from whoever he is guarding and I would think that would be TY. Was hoping this would open up some more room for Moncrief (if he plays) and Dwayne Allen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bucsfan5493 said: Who is opposite of Verrett? I know to usually stay away from whoever he is guarding and I would think that would be TY. Was hoping this would open up some more room for Moncrief (if he plays) and Dwayne Allen. Brandon flowers. The slot cb is casey haward. Manti teo cant cover anyone so he gets exploited. Edit to add. Their starting saftey addae just got hurt so the middle should be open more too Edited September 20, 2016 by bicycle_seat_sniffer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buck Bradcanon 1,434 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I don't like the clues we are getting. http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/colts-insider/2016/09/20/how-long-donte-moncrief-sidelined/90746796/ Quote INDIANAPOLIS -- The Colts are awaiting additional medical opinions on the shoulder injury sustained by wide receiver Donte Moncrief in Sunday's game at Denver. Those opinions will, the team hopes, help establish a timeline for long how the receiver will be out of the lineup. Moncrief's injury occurred in the first quarter of a 34-20 loss to the Broncos. He did not return to the game. If Moncrief is out of the lineup for any length of time, the Colts will have to lean heavily on Phillip Dorsett, who would become the No. 2 receiver behind No. 1 T.Y. Hilton. Moncrief's potential absence would mean an expanded role for backups Quan Bray and Chester Rogers. In two appearances this season, Moncrief has seven catches for 73 yards and one touchdown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 14,320 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Sounds like he's gonna be out awhile 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 14,320 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Donte Moncrief - WR - Colts The Colts are awaiting further test results on Donte Moncrief's shoulder. The Indianapolis Star senses it's a matter of how many, not "if," when it comes to the number of games Moncrief will miss. Reporter Stephen Holder does believe the issue is not "season ending." Moncrief has yet to be formally ruled out for Week 3, so there's really not much to go on for the time being. Source: Stephen Holder on Twitter Sep 20 - 5:23 PM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
need2know 6,198 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 How much does this really boost dorsett if moncrief sits? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 14,320 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Just now, need2know said: How much does this really boost dorsett if moncrief sits? Becomes an instant wr3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, need2know said: How much does this really boost dorsett if moncrief sits? Lots, IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steelwind 375 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 15 minutes ago, shadyridr said: Donte Moncrief - WR - Colts The Colts are awaiting further test results on Donte Moncrief's shoulder. The Indianapolis Star senses it's a matter of how many, not "if," when it comes to the number of games Moncrief will miss. Reporter Stephen Holder does believe the issue is not "season ending." Moncrief has yet to be formally ruled out for Week 3, so there's really not much to go on for the time being. Source: Stephen Holder on Twitter Sep 20 - 5:23 PM Just want to point out the article says they are getting a "sense" not sources told. Two huge distinct differences. I'm not saying Moncrief is okay. But their guess is as good as ours. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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