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Couple things here 1) Cris Carter as good as anyone to ever live at catching TDs and 2) Henry Ellard was 5'11" (at some point height matters but I dont' think Watkins is below the cut off)
I do favor big WR and Watkins is not a big WR. Add in his non-elite athletic traits and I don't understand the love. I mean a bigger Percy Harvin? Nope.
Well I tried to take the guy that was right next to Ellard. lol Sorry he was a 6'3 monster.
I'm not a mathematician, but pretty sure 8/15 is not 1/3. How are you coming up with 7/15 being 2/3?
Right. It is hard to make statistical All Time leader lists in any metric playing just a few years. It isn't obvious why so many 6'1" and under WRs played at a high level longer than bigger WRs, if the premise that bigger WRs are far more likely to be elite is true.
LOL says the arm chair GM who is focused soley on measureables.
I'm taking Harrison and Wayne out because they played with the GOAT. I doubt either one is on that list without manning. There is also a few guys from a different era that doesn't translate well.
good that means I'll get the best big wr prospect in this draft with the #2 pick in the draft and you can have the best small wr in the draft.
I have been banging this drum all season. He is one of the best college wideouts that I have ever seen. His speed and instincts for the ball are mind blowing.
2011 with Green and Jones was the last draft I remember with this level of consensus on a WR being elite. Calvin Johnson before that.
But that is wrong. Wayne put up among the best stats of his career without Manning. At 34.
BTW, I've never said not to take Evans over Watkins. It's very close IMO.
Is he putting Watkins in that class, or just saying "since"... vague.
No but when a WR like Marvin Harrison is such a statistical anomaly we should take into account some outside factors. Playing with the best QB to ever play the game does affect how I interpret a WR's stats. It's silly to ignore that don't you think?
Me three on Evans.
, that Watkins is the best WR in the class. His physical stature (or lack thereof for some) is BAKED into the OVERALL GRADE. They have evaluated and vetted his skill set, along with his size, in making that judgement and coming to that conclusion. , that by necessity leads to breaking down their skill sets and games more in-depth. To cite merely one example, Evans, while not lumbering, does not appear to have the same level of suddenness, burst and short area explosion as Watkins, which makes the latter a far more dangerous open field runner, and more likely to take it to the house on a slant if a DB takes a bad angle or misses a tackle. On the surface, Evans height advantage and power forward rebounder-like skill set given his hoops background should make him a better jump ball receiver. Anyways, these are the kinds of strengths and weaknesses that need to be explored first, if the analysis is to be more than an automated, mechanistic slotting by size.
Its silly to ignore that he isn't an anomaly (check the top historical WRs embedded in the quote above), to say more than 1/2 is 1/3, to make a point about Wayne that is mistaken or to arbitrarily not also throw out Rice's stats when he clearly was the beneficiary of maybe the best 1-2 punch at QB in NFL history (since Waterfield and Van Brocklin?). Don't you think?
That's not what the consensus is.
5'11 175 pound Marvin Harrison is a Red Zone monster in your eyes? If that's the case then this conversation is over. Maybe think about that for a while.
Good point, for a few years there were some prominent busts, like Terrell, Koren Robinson, every DET WR but Megatron, etc.
Someone should explain to 5-10, 186 lb. Antonio Brown why he shouldn't have caught passes last year.
Yep and how tall are the other 4 in the top 5? I never said it was impossible. It's just significantly less likely.
You are tacitly conceding and back pedaling on Wayne. Maybe you are wrong about Harrison, too.
You're missing the point. Obviously all things being equal bigger is better, but that doesn't mean a smaller receiver can be a stud in the NFL.
lol did you not see what he wrote? 10 of his top 12 WR in FF are 6'2+. Go ahead draft another midget. I mean Watkins "could" be a top 12 WR in FF but it looks like Evans has a lot better chance. I looks like 83% of the top 12 WR's are 6'2 or better. This is probably to simple but hey that leaves 17% under 6'2. Of the two under 6'2 any of them over 6'1?
Here is the list of all top-ten WRs going back to the draft where Andre Johnson was taken, the 2003 draft.
You seem to be too fixated on height. I get that there are a lot of big WR's in the NFL and they are doing well. There are also a lot of guys under 6'2 doing a good jot too and they were no where near the prospect Watkins was coming out.
Nice lets change the subject because we were talking about how 10 of the top 12 WR in FF are 6'2+
We're kind of jumping around here.
Yeah I agree to a certain extent but #1 pick in FF drafts this year is Torrey Smith good? He's most likely going to end up being a top 20ish WR. He's good but this hype is insanely out of line and top 5 pick is LOL.
It takes more than being tall to be a great WR.
