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TE Eric Ebron, PIT (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
As a Lions fan, I will say he better be good. I am bias because we need him to blow up this year. Everyone I knew wanted Aaron Donald at this pick. We also took Ebron over OBJ. In other words, the Lions took Ebron just ahead of the 2 best non QBs in the NFL.
It also cost the world the chance to see a team line up OBJ and Calvin at WR, or put Suh and Donald in the middle. Sad we never got to see either.
It also cost the world the chance to see a team line up OBJ and Calvin at WR, or put Suh and Donald in the middle. Sad we never got to see either.
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
If he had 6tds instead of 1td we wouldn't be having this conversation. Boldin led the team with 22 red zone targets, ebron will likely get more looks down there. Some things I was encouraged by last year-
1. While he still drops passes, he seemed to be focused on 3rd downs and moved the chains on many occasions, those "pressure catches" were drops the first couple years. I saw progress.
2. Even as "ineffective" as a lot of people feel he's played, he has been schemed in, and I would imagine his target share will increase.
3. A lot of people have been burned after having unrealistic expectations and will put him on their "never again" list.
1. While he still drops passes, he seemed to be focused on 3rd downs and moved the chains on many occasions, those "pressure catches" were drops the first couple years. I saw progress.
2. Even as "ineffective" as a lot of people feel he's played, he has been schemed in, and I would imagine his target share will increase.
3. A lot of people have been burned after having unrealistic expectations and will put him on their "never again" list.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Kelcz's salary was high (around $27), and my team last year was in the cellar. I traded him for a 1st RD rookie pick and I think Gio Bernard if I recall. That rookie pick will land me njoku, Howard, or engram.
Ebron's salary is $6. And I got him from another owner m exchange for Emmanuel sanders in his last year of his contract.
jabarony
Footballguy
I haven't decided what I like better.
Ebron spiking down a pass into the ground on 3rd & 5.
Ebron having a 9 yard reception on 3rd & 15, and then boasting about it.
Probably the latter because the former negatively affects the Leos and happens far too often . Though both are entertaining.
Ebron spiking down a pass into the ground on 3rd & 5.
Ebron having a 9 yard reception on 3rd & 15, and then boasting about it.
Probably the latter because the former negatively affects the Leos and happens far too often . Though both are entertaining.
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
And of course he's hurt again. A hamstring injury, which is often attributed to conditioning. Not good.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
DirtyCashDylan
Footballguy
What are his dynasty prospects? Looks like the Lions picked up his contract for one more year.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The option the team picked up for 2018 is guaranteed for injury only. So if Ebron struggles this year, the Lions could — just as the Jacksonville Jaguars might with Blake Bortles — walk away after this season and not pay a penny of the roughly $8.25 million salary at which he would be slated next season.
He will be someone else’s problem before the new league starts next year [in March].
ETA: they picked up his option on the day of the deadline. He’s losing the snap count battle to Fells and I wouldn’t be surprised if Michael Roberts (R - Toledo, 64 snaps & 1-15-0) starts getting more involved.
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Nothing yet but tomorrow is when they have to guarantee him his 2018 salary of $8M+ so likely something will go down soon if at all.
I know they had interest in Burton but that ship sailed and the Brate and Burton deals make paying him his 2018 salary not such a bad option in terms of TE pay. I had thought he was for sure to get traded, I don't feel as certain now but still more inclined to think he is and still would predict if he is it's to the Texans.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
He’s not OBJ, and that is what most lions fans want to compare him to. He came in too arrogant, then battled injuries, and has had a normal slow but steady progression. He’s had some lapses at crucial times in games, but was better last year. I’m ok letting him play out in a contract year, he seems like the type who will turn it up with $$ to make. I hope he’s maturing some, but regardless he has to see the earning opportunity.
Good. Detriot in a dome with Stafford was a good spot on paper. Would have loved for it to work out but water just seems muddied up for fans, coaches and Ebron.
I still think he ends up with Texans, I know they tried to trade for him at deadline last year. That's solid, but I'll go back to dreaming/hoping the Saints come calling.
I still think he ends up with Texans, I know they tried to trade for him at deadline last year. That's solid, but I'll go back to dreaming/hoping the Saints come calling.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Good! You have to watch Ebron every week to know why he was released. #1 his immaturity. Right now he should delete his Twitter account.
Ebron just can`t block on the edge at all and gets blown up all the time. Ebron quits way too much on plays and after missing a block last year was pouting while the ball was fumbled and landed right by him. Ebron has good straight ahead speed but can`t break a tackle. The team that picks him up needs to use him as a split out third down TE and he may have some success. As a 3 down TE just don`t see it.
Milkman
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
He does have a neat name......Have you not looked at the names of starting TE's in the NFL last year?
Lol he sucks.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
mquinnjr
Footballguy
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
There are winning type of football players and losing type of football players. Philly is building a winning type of culture and Ebron just does not play that type of football. Again you have to watch every play the last 4 years to appreciate how bad Ebron can be..and I am not just talking about his drops. In all my years as a Lion fan I think Ebron was a player who alienated more fans than I can ever remember.
Can he go somewhere else and be productive? It is possible but I have a tough time thinking a winning type of team would want him.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
I get that and appreciate you saying it. I looked at it as an outsider thinking if Howie can get Ebron somewhat cheap or below market if it's sour, he's young enough where maybe a change of scenery would be good for him. We just acquired Michael Bennett, so I don't think they're 100% risk averse to potential team culture fit issues. But, from what I've heard about Bennett he is a fierce competitor, which would make him thrive in the day-to-day. Yeah, if Ebron routinely doesn't give 100%, you're going to be very correct and I'll be very wrong here. Thanks
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Yards per game through their age 24 season:
Gronk - 50 games played (3255 yards) - 65.1
Winslow - 34 (2031) - 59.74
Gonzo - 63 (3041) - 48.27
Witten 63 (2838) - 45.05
Ebron - 56 (2070) - 36.96
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Ebron can show flashes as you see on the highlights..it is his every down mentality that hurts him. The good thing is now he is going to have to earn his next deal so that might motivate him..but his football IQ seems very low. As a second TE for cheap though he is worth the risk. In fact being the second TE in Philly might be the best thing to happen to him.I get that and appreciate you saying it. I looked at it as an outsider thinking if Howie can get Ebron somewhat cheap or below market if it's sour, he's young enough where maybe a change of scenery would be good for him. We just acquired Michael Bennett, so I don't think they're 100% risk averse to potential team culture fit issues. But, from what I've heard about Bennett he is a fierce competitor, which would make him thrive in the day-to-day. Yeah, if Ebron routinely doesn't give 100%, you're going to be very correct and I'll be very wrong here. Thanks
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
During Wittens, Gonzo and Winslow s first 4 season a TE was really a TE that had duel duties. Gronk can do both very well..Ebron can only be used in passing downs.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I dont think the point is that he's as good as those guys - just that what he's accomplished is rare.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Ebron should do well because the Colts have a true #1 TE in Jack Doyle. With Ebron it has never been about ability although he does drop passes..it has been his maturity level. When interviewed if you did not know any better you would think he is in 10th grade...and his Twitter account did not help him.
Getting cut was probably a wakeup call so hopefully he grows up as a player..then deletes his Twitter.
Getting cut was probably a wakeup call so hopefully he grows up as a player..then deletes his Twitter.
It's all about Luck but with those picks they got to move back I expect more help is coming. I'd be shocked if they don't pick 1-2 WR's on day 2.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Is Doyle a legit #1? Asking because I don’t know. Knew he had some bad games early in the year with fumbles and drops but end of year stats look ok from volume.Da Guru said:
And what’s the problem with his twitter? Just scanned and saw he posts pictures of his kid and him getting baptized. Seemed harmless but maybe I’m missing something.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
No...why would they bring in ebron if they thought so....ebron cant block though ..
I'd list Doyle as a legit #1 but as a receiving TE I think he is comparable to Witten, and I mean Witten now at this stage of his career. Solid hands, dependable, not scaring anyone.
Ebron has had some ugly drops during his career but had a good second half of the season and eliminated drop issue during that time, was actually wildly efficient the second half of the season. Two opinions floated around for him playing better in second half. One was that once the trade deadline passed he was more relaxed and the other theory was that the birth of his son matured him. Really not sure but I felt the focus should not be on fact he had a good 8 game stretch to end the season so much as why was he so bad the first 8 games to begin the season, that's the outlier in his career and not the finish to the season. If you look at his career, especially considering how young he was entering the league and transition he had to make his career progressed nicely and on the pace you'd like to see. Terrible confused looking rookie TE who was asked to do to much, growth in year two, more growth in year 3 and fantasy speaking a legit starting fantasy TE. Then he enters year 4 and the bottom falls out in first half of 2017 then despite being a part time player he would go on to close strong. So he went backwards first half of 2017, otherwise spent his Lions career steady progressing.
He had a bad camp last year. Can't recall injury, I think hamstring, but barely participated in camp. Add in he was in contract year, name brought up in trade rumors, whatever the reason he just flat tanked first half of last season but again other than that had been steady progressing. But the horrible optics on some of his bad drops and relative to where he was drafted and who he was drafted over a steady progression was not what people wanted to see and I think that along with his own immaturity made the situation in Detroit toxic for him and he badly wanted out. If there was ever a player who needed a change of scenery it's him.
Now that I've had a day to mull over his landing spot I'd label it as low floor/high ceiling for fantasy purposes but I'd for sure take him over Doyle all day every day. Colts are only team in history of league to have two TE's catch 8 TD's in same season but to me NE is only team to ever have two viable starting fantasy TE's on same team at the same time. That could happen here but nothing I'd be counting on. Ebron is the one I'd invest.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Ebron deleted a bunch of stuff..just immature things like arguing with fans when he had a bad game.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
I think this is spot on, the steady progression, surprising early season struggles then the more surprising late season surge - but especially the low floor/high ceiling part. His success is dependent on Luck’s health, his maturity, and his role in the new offense, all big question marks. If everything comes together he could have a nice season. I’m holding for now.
