dkp993
Footballguy
Thanks. I believe you I just didn’t come up with anything in my google search. Your goolgle-fu beats my tiger-style I guess.
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RB Damien Williams, ATL (2 Viewers)
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rockaction
Footballguy
By the way, even the RZA gives props to my Google-Fu Tyga Style
ATB
Footballguy
That’s ridiculous. It’s a Wednesday. A typical rest day. And as far as I’ve seen, McCoy didn’t do much either.
If anything, DWill not practicing is simply further confirmation he’s the lead back and valued piece of the offense.
ATB
Footballguy
I didn’t move goalposts. Wtf are you even on about? I explained my point. No goalpost was moved.
You didn’t like my use of the word “nothing burger” so I further elaborated my perspective.
Get off your high horse and stop pretending you’re not in this thread with your fingers and toes crossed hoping your McCoy toy gets an upgrade.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This thread is the absolute antithesis of well thought out logic.
The whole Kareem Hunt thing forced KC to have to play Williams and for those of you not familiar with this hidden gem, take a look at this guys career stats. The one or two games he made a splash in last year equal his entire career rushing yards.
I don't make this crap up https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillDa05.htm and we got a 22 page thread on him, good stuff.
What are people arguing about? Williams is never going to be solid production for weeks on end, that was a pipe dream. I watched this guy for years in Miami and he always made a nice play here and there but he was nothing special and still isn't IMO. I don't know what the Chiefs were thinking. They waste time on guys that really cannot fill a starter's shoes and then when they do a la Kareem Hunt the bottom falls out on them. I don't think they've recovered on the ground and Mahomes makes it easy to forget or gloss over.
Go home everyone, there's nothing to see here. Cue it up
The whole Kareem Hunt thing forced KC to have to play Williams and for those of you not familiar with this hidden gem, take a look at this guys career stats. The one or two games he made a splash in last year equal his entire career rushing yards.
I don't make this crap up https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillDa05.htm and we got a 22 page thread on him, good stuff.
What are people arguing about? Williams is never going to be solid production for weeks on end, that was a pipe dream. I watched this guy for years in Miami and he always made a nice play here and there but he was nothing special and still isn't IMO. I don't know what the Chiefs were thinking. They waste time on guys that really cannot fill a starter's shoes and then when they do a la Kareem Hunt the bottom falls out on them. I don't think they've recovered on the ground and Mahomes makes it easy to forget or gloss over.
Go home everyone, there's nothing to see here. Cue it up
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rockaction
Footballguy
But how do you really feel about the KC running game?
OK; it’s clear you have Damien Williams blinders on; it’s obvious. So we can agree to disagree.
As far as your “McCoy toy” comment, that’s classic projection. Pretending your behavior is being displayed by someone else. If you read my last post, I clearly said neither back is a better bet to start. Not sure how that’s me hoping I can play with my McCoy toy.
And, for the record, I don’t own either. I have Thompson, but wouldn’t start him this week, even if both McCoy & Williams are out.
Running backs LeSean McCoy (ankle) and Damien Williams (knee) did not practice for the Chiefs to start the week on Wednesday.
Before practice Andy Reid was asked about the two backs’ participation: “McCoy might do a little bit, but Damien won’t.”
This says a lot to me. There appears to be no hesitation....no pause. "Damien won't". Sounds like it's not good.
Before practice Andy Reid was asked about the two backs’ participation: “McCoy might do a little bit, but Damien won’t.”
This says a lot to me. There appears to be no hesitation....no pause. "Damien won't". Sounds like it's not good.
matuski
Footballguy
It sounds like the decision had been made. No reason to pause when you have made the decision.
We don't know why the decision had been made.. maybe bad or maybe precautionary.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think you're very correct. I also think we're trying to parse the impossibly non-transparent and untranslatable right now.
The Claymaker
Footballguy
This thread took a weird turn at “McCoy toy”, I feel that’s not football related.
Personally I would like to see Thompson as lead back, at this point he’s probably the best back on the team. But do you want to depend on a rookie for blitz pickup and protecting your superstar QB? Probably not, or yet anyway.
Personally I would like to see Thompson as lead back, at this point he’s probably the best back on the team. But do you want to depend on a rookie for blitz pickup and protecting your superstar QB? Probably not, or yet anyway.
lol running for Miami vs running for KC are completely different. RBs have always had success under Reid. The majority of RBs on a high powered offense with a lot of scoring opportunities and positive game scripts have value.This thread is the absolute antithesis of well thought out logic.
The whole Kareem Hunt thing forced KC to have to play Williams and for those of you not familiar with this hidden gem, take a look at this guys career stats. The one or two games he made a splash in last year equal his entire career rushing yards.
I don't make this crap up https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillDa05.htm and we got a 22 page thread on him, good stuff.
What are people arguing about? Williams is never going to be solid production for weeks on end, that was a pipe dream. I watched this guy for years in Miami and he always made a nice play here and there but he was nothing special and still isn't IMO. I don't know what the Chiefs were thinking. They waste time on guys that really cannot fill a starter's shoes and then when they do a la Kareem Hunt the bottom falls out on them. I don't think they've recovered on the ground and Mahomes makes it easy to forget or gloss over.
Go home everyone, there's nothing to see here. Cue it up
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
There is no doubt about that - what you are saying is completely true. However, Williams is just a guy, and if there are better options on the team - which many believe there are - they will ultimately be the ones to benefit from being in Reid's offense. MOP and I are both Dolphins fans. We have seen this guy play in more than just a handful of games. What he says is true. A few splash plays here and there, but absolutely nothing special, and on top of that, frail. He was close to a league minimum player, and was third string on the team, only moving up due to domestic violence and injury. Before someone says "thats basically the same story as Darwin", it isnt. Darwin is a rookie with a clean slate. Williams has a history, and to call that history "average" is possibly generous.
Whoever sees the bulk of the snaps in that offense obviously has RB1 value. I personally never saw Williams as a player that could hold down that job given any level of decent competition. And then add in the fact that he is fragile...
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
Williams will not practice today, per BJ Kissel.
Shady again expected to practice.
Shady again expected to practice.
zamboni
Footballguy
ATB
Footballguy
Point still stands, you're in here crossing your fingers you can use your toy if the competition goes down.
And thanks for proving you don't have a foot to stand on by not being able to explain how goalposts were moved. Because you can't. Because they weren't.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
ATB
Footballguy
Friday is the day to know how severe an injury is. No practice on a Friday is a bad sign. Resting a guy with a minor injury throughout the week leading up to the final practice is fairly common and sort of a no-brainer.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
ATB
Footballguy
I just don't see any signs of the injury being severe. Just because a guy is held out of practice after a minor injury doesn't indicate the severity of the injury is greater than we first thought.
The dude banged his knee late in a blowout and was kept out the rest of the game, which is what should be done.
He never needed further evaluation, which is always a good sign.
He's not practicing until (my guess) the final day of practice, which is what should be done.
If anything, I see him being held out of practice and McCoy actually trying to practice as evidence that Williams is, indeed, the starting back on the team and most valued RB. McCoy is still fighting for snaps.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
ATB
Footballguy
That last part was my personal opinion. The rest I really don't see through the pessimistic lens everyone else seems to.
Skoo
Footballguy
Kind of feels like you're seeing what you want to see here.
None of us know how severe the injury is, so I don't think not practicing can be taken as any kind of positive sign.
We're not talking about Zeke here, Williams isn't some star vet that routinely gets days off just to keep him fresh.
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Guys like Jay Ajayi, Lamar Miller and Kenyon Drake did just fine in those same Miami offenses. And none of those guys is going to be confused with Adrian Peterson from a talent perspective. He didnt beat them out, and he didnt beat Spencer Ware out. He only got to play due to circumstance. He isnt special, he isnt even above average. He is just a guy. Always has been.Comparing a RB in a Miami offense vs a RB in a Reid offense is just really making me laugh.
Carry on boys - haven't heard much else here in KC other than what's been already posted.
ATB
Footballguy
I'm just giving my perspective with the part you quoted. The rest is just objective truth. Any guy with a minor injury is going to be held out of practice for precautionary reasons if they are a starter. That's just a fact. Unless the injury is so minor as to be a non-issue at all.
Obviously a bone bruise is going to be a pain-mitigation type of injury. I don't know why anyone would expect him to practice until Friday is all I'm saying.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Have to agree. He split carries with 47 yr old McCoy who didn't have a chance to get fully acclimated to the team.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Damien Williams (knee) was "limping considerably" on Thursday.
Williams has missed back-to-back practices while LeSean McCoy returned on Thursday. Fantasy players should count on Williams being sidelined. Darwin Thompson will pair with Shady against the Ravens. It's possible even Darrel Williams could get some run.
SOURCE: James Palmer on Twitter
Sep 19, 2019, 6:17 PM ET
Williams has missed back-to-back practices while LeSean McCoy returned on Thursday. Fantasy players should count on Williams being sidelined. Darwin Thompson will pair with Shady against the Ravens. It's possible even Darrel Williams could get some run.
SOURCE: James Palmer on Twitter
Sep 19, 2019, 6:17 PM ET
More evidence that this is a “nothing burger.”
Ravens run D is tough; with top 2 RBs hurting, kinda think Reid is gonna pass the ball 50+ times on Sunday.
Banger
Footballguy
good point...they're going up against a top rush defense so they'll save him for easier opponents...BRILLIANT!!
Exactly. THAT is what he meant when he posted a bone bruise was a nothing burger. How could we have missed that?
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm in leagues where everyone thinks I'm nuts because of all my moves. Big Ben, Gordon/AB, D. Williams, among others.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You draft like the PhinsI have never been taken out of a league in the first 3 weeks like this. Never seen anything like in it 24 years of it.
Nobody cares but - Luck and Ben, TY Hilton, Tyreek Hill, Mike Thomas, Jared Cook... now Damien.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think it's gonna be a mish mash for a lot of the year. I don't think we'll ever have a clear picture until somebody siezes the job, which seems out of Williams's character, beyond Shady's halcyon days, and in too far in front of the rook's.
Just a thought.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I think this is a (relatively) high probability outcome. That said, the relatively lower probabilities aren't that far off. Get your tickets, folks. There's likely still a free one sitting on your wire as I type this.
SkippaDaFlippa
Footballguy
TY Hilton & Mike Thomas have been solid so far. As for the rest that is a pretty tough downswing in your luck.I have never been taken out of a league in the first 3 weeks like this. Never seen anything like in it 24 years of it.
Nobody cares but - Luck and Ben, TY Hilton, Tyreek Hill, Mike Thomas, Jared Cook... now Damien.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000 said:
Any idea how long Williams could miss as well? Ruling him out so early in the week felt like this could be a multiple week injury.
Don't worry mate. It's a nothing burger. Which I guess means a serious bone bruise that is too painful to practice or play on for at least a week's duration.
Any idea how long Williams could miss as well? Ruling him out so early in the week felt like this could be a multiple week injury.
Don't worry mate. It's a nothing burger. Which I guess means a serious bone bruise that is too painful to practice or play on for at least a week's duration.
