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RB Ezekiel Elliott, NE (5 Viewers)
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Interseptopus
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Nah I dropped him yesterday for Funchess to start for Diggs. If Diggs was healthy I'd still have Morris. Considering dropping Crowell or Collins for him... but I don'tthink Morris is that good TBH
So he can play week 7 with this appeal in place? This is crazy.
The General
Footballguy
How does the NFL do this stuff to themselves? So messed up.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Rotoworld updated their take on the situation:
Pretty much.
Keep in mind, the NFLPA agreed to this for more money. No one to blame but themselves.
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shadrap
Footballguy
with lawyers who knows. I just know with buy weeks & a 50/50 proposition on who is even the starter count me out. Love the info though so keep it coming.
The General
Footballguy
Not sure if they envisioned Goodell being such a complete idiot with this power but yeah they made the deal.
No, as of now, the suspension has been reinstated. The legal ruling that had prevented the NFL from enforcing it is void.
Zeke can appeal in the SDNY for another stay/TRO to allow him to play while the court case is pending. Some people believe he is likely to get that, some do not. This is the same circuit that ruled against Brady (eventually). That decision effectively said that Goodell can do pretty much what he wants with regards to player discipline, BECAUSE the NFLPA gave him that power in the CBA. This makes it very questionable as to whether Zeke is likely to win his suit, which is one of the requirements for a stay/TRO. If the court doesn't think he has a chance to win (and their own circuit court's ruling makes it unlikely that he'll win), they might not grant the stay/TRO. This is why the NFLPA tried to cheat and file their suit early in the TX court where they thought (rightly so) they'd get a biased judge who'd rule in their favor.
Is this good or bad news for Zeke getting an injunction or possibly playing this season out? I just got offered Zeke, Hopkins, and Jax D for Hunt in a full pt ppr league. Not sure what to do.
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AnonymousBob
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Depending how lucky you've been with the ww this year you might be better off leaving this situation alone. Right now in ppr I wouldn't drop a McKinnon, McGuire, Kamara, Ellington, etcetera for the gamble of Dallas backup.
The line isn't as good as last year and if they split work it could be an unpleasant situation for owners.
The line isn't as good as last year and if they split work it could be an unpleasant situation for owners.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Not sure about her rulings on labor law; that's what is really relevant. IMO it doesn't really matter if she was appointed by a Dem or Rep.
theplayer11
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Here's some of his touches from the preseason. The vid is kind of choppy at points but there's nothing I can do about it. He doesn't look washed to me. For example, CJ looked objectively washed, I really can't say the same about DMC although it's only preseason.
Most likely situation. Alf has never caught well & DMC is probably too old/fragile to handle a full workload.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I really can't say. I posted this article a while back, it's dated but it was from back when the Mazzant decision was in waiting.
- That's by Michael McCann. But like Irish says "who knows" because sometimes what happens is judges just fit the reasoning to fit their desired conclusion. I know some won't like that comment but that's the way it works sometimes.
I don't think this will last all year. If EE/NFLPA lose in SDNY I think EE at least chucks in the towel and takes his suspension. But if he wins all bets are off.
If there is no further appeal, the case has to be remanded to Mazzant, then he has to dismiss it, then the case gets picked up in SDNY. I think once it's there if EE is denied he's done.
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I think definitely a committee. Alf can't catch. DMC can't sustain a heavy workload. I'm just going to avoid and hope some of my other waiver RBs hit a home run.
SaintsInDome2006
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rugcleaner
Footballguy
Dropped Mckinnon for DMC, Don't feel good about it, but need something, been devastated by injuries
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
andyk803
Footballguy
Wallach has had his opinion about this case set for a LONG time. He's suggesting that a voided ruling by a judge from another federal district will be more instructive than the SDNY's own circuit court ruling from just last year? That's a convenient take on the situation.
Weebs210
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Seems like Mr. Wallach has been swing and miss every step of the way with his guesses.
ourmanflint
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bagger
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AnonymousBob
Footballguy
You HAD something in McKinnon. Why would you do this? Awful. Hope whoever grabs him off the ww sends a thank you card.
That is correct. But he seems to ignore whatever doesn't fit his preconceived notion of what will happen. IMO, the SDNY is going to find the 2nd circuit's ruling in the brady case last year as more instructive than a voided decision of a judge in a different federal district. The 2nd circuit found that the lower court's vacation of the suspension based on "fundamental unfairness" was wrong. Specifically, they said "even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained-for authority." They went on to say Goodell has extremely broad powers under the CBA.
Yet Wallach thinks that this circuit court's decision that Goodell can make factual mistakes (like ignoring evidence) or legal mistakes (not allowing Zeke to face his accuser) but if he acts within the bounds of his authority, they can't over-rule him is less important than a TX district judge saying otherwise? If the district court rules in favor of Zeke, that case will go before this same circuit court. Why would they decide differently this time? They've already ruled & that precedent will likely be more instructive than Mazzant's nullified ruling.
rugcleaner
Footballguy
Not completely sold on him, he hasn't put it together in 3-4 years there, Asiata beat him out, perennial number 2
The NFL will likely oppose that move. From what I understand, there's no legal basis to change courts. The NFL filed properly in SDNY, there's not a legitimate reason for the case to be moved. If it was, that would definitely bode well for Zeke. He'd likely get another TRO & since this time it would have been obtained properly, he should be available to play the rest of the season.
ETA-Wallach went on to tweet that it wasn't likely to succeed.
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theplayer11
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According to @WALLACHLEGAL it's likely we'll have an oral hearing in Southern District of New York before next week's game at San Francisco.
AnonymousBob
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ourmanflint
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need2know
Footballguy
3optic
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Keep in mind the appeal order has to get to Mazzant by remand, then he has to sign the dismissal. I think that's how it works. Then SDNY would get jurisdiction as soon as EE files something there. Then there has to be a hearing scheduled. Then the court has to rule with enough time for EE to play Week 7, presuming they rule for him. That could be a TRO. With a later hearing that follows that. So McFadden/Morris owners who have been holding may have to wait another 2 weeks to use them. Also keep in mind no one really knows how the backfield will shake out so you might want to wait at least one more game to see if your player is worth starting. Lots of waiting and patience needed.
Is the final option for Zeke? If SDNY rejects or turns down or won't give an injunction will there be any other options left for Zeke's team to try? I know nothing about legal affairs and court room happenings. I'm only trying to figure out if it's worth the risk to trade Hunt, Thielen, and Atl D for Zeke, Hopkins, and Jax D when my other rb's are Martin, Kamara, and Lynch so I could get by until Zeke gets back if I had to.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
I don't see any good reason why the Cowboys would go from making McFadden a healthy scratch for over a quarter of the season, and then throw him into the lead back role. Morris doesn't play special teams, and clearly looked better in the preseason than DMac. It isn't as if they thought a handful of carries over the course of the first 5 games was going to seriously jeopardize McFadden's health so they didn't dress him. You always want to bring your top backup to the game on Sundays. Especially given the fact that Morris ripped off a 70 yard run recently as well. DMac missed almost all of last year, has been a scratch this year, looked stiff as a board in the preseason... I just don't see it.
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Biabreakable
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I would say regular season trumps whatever happened in preseason, thus Morris over DMC.
(which is what I think you guys are getting at?)
The SDNY already has jurisdiction; the NFL already filed to have the courts uphold their ruling as soon as they made it. That case is now the issue. The NFLPA can file an appeal of the decision in SDNY (and they will), but as of right now, Zeke is suspended. His TRO delaying the suspension has been voided & the NFL-imposed suspension should take effect immediately. Until the case is resolved or he gets a stay/TRO, he is suspended. If he gets a stay/TRO from SDNY, I don't see any way this case is resolved before the end of the season. (But this case has twisted and turn in so many ways I didn't expect, that wouldn't surprise me, I guess)
Obviously, that doesn't impact week 6, b/c Dallas is on bye, but as of week 7, Zeke's 6 game suspension will begin for real, or he will be allowed to play under a TRO, likely for the remainder of the season. Either DMC/Alf will have real value in week 7, or they will be all but worthless, save as handcuffs.
