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This is bonkers. Crazy Larry gone even crazier.Saucony Endorphin Pro $113, Endorphin Speed $90.
Not sure on available sizing, but pretty good pricing!
This is bonkers. Crazy Larry gone even crazier.Saucony Endorphin Pro $113, Endorphin Speed $90.
Not sure on available sizing, but pretty good pricing!
Yeah, I'm tempted to buy another pair just for the future. Sizing options are actually pretty good for some colours.This is bonkers. Crazy Larry gone even crazier.
I've heard good things about this shoes. How do you guys handle deals like this on shoes you have never tried before?Saucony Endorphin Pro $113, Endorphin Speed $90.
Not sure on available sizing, but pretty good pricing!
Actually just called Saucony, and they gave me a price adjustment on my original order. Good customer service!I just ordered a pair of the bright green Speeds. Also gonna probably return my order from 5/30 and replace it with a second pair at $90 to save myself $60. Thanks.
My injury notwithstanding, I haven't found myself to be hugely fussy about shoes. I tend to buy in the same category (cushioned, with support) and have been generally happy.I've heard good things about this shoes. How do you guys handle deals like this on shoes you have never tried before?
Do you just buy and hope? Do you go to some website that says "If you like XXX, you'll like Saucony Speeds too"? Do you only buy after you have tried at a store?
I'd like to get one more shoe in my training rotation (Hoka Clifton 6, Brooks Ghost, Brooks Launch), however, short of me going to the running store and trying on a bunch of shoes, I'm not sure what other options I have.
Thoughts?
Buy and hope, and if I don't like the fit once I get them, I return them.I've heard good things about this shoes. How do you guys handle deals like this on shoes you have never tried before?
Do you just buy and hope? Do you go to some website that says "If you like XXX, you'll like Saucony Speeds too"? Do you only buy after you have tried at a store?
I'd like to get one more shoe in my training rotation (Hoka Clifton 6, Brooks Ghost, Brooks Launch), however, short of me going to the running store and trying on a bunch of shoes, I'm not sure what other options I have.
Thoughts?
Just to add, I have bought many different brands/models, and run on all of them through to their mileage limits. Except for one pair of Altras, which feel a bit like clown shoes to me, and I'm not sure how much I'm going to use them.My injury notwithstanding, I haven't found myself to be hugely fussy about shoes. I tend to buy in the same category (cushioned, with support) and have been generally happy.
The reviews on the Speed are almost universally good (many calling it the best shoe they have run in) so I just bought on faith. For races, mostly. The two times I have run on them, I've really liked them. Was saving them for races in the future, but at this price, I could buy a pair as just training shoes.
Buy and hope informed by brand awareness, reviews and specs on the shoes. If it’s got the right specs, aligns with other shoes I like in the reviews online and I already know a brand sizing, it’s a pretty safe bet. I haven’t sent a pair back in a long time. But I do have some that I won’t buy again.I've heard good things about this shoes. How do you guys handle deals like this on shoes you have never tried before?
Do you just buy and hope? Do you go to some website that says "If you like XXX, you'll like Saucony Speeds too"? Do you only buy after you have tried at a store?
I'd like to get one more shoe in my training rotation (Hoka Clifton 6, Brooks Ghost, Brooks Launch), however, short of me going to the running store and trying on a bunch of shoes, I'm not sure what other options I have.
Thoughts?
Uh huh. Go on...Had a top 3 PT session this morning, she released my psoas and pulled my hip flexors apart to help re-align my pelvis. I know, very clinical. Silly pelvis.
Ok. You convinced me to take a $90 flier on the Speeds. My wife will love this.My injury notwithstanding, I haven't found myself to be hugely fussy about shoes. I tend to buy in the same category (cushioned, with support) and have been generally happy.
The reviews on the Speed are almost universally good (many calling it the best shoe they have run in) so I just bought on faith. For races, mostly. The two times I have run on them, I've really liked them. Was saving them for races in the future, but at this price, I could buy a pair as just training shoes.
Sorry folks, park's closed.This is bonkers. Crazy Larry gone even crazier.
Wolves “fan” here. So yeah, sorry. Can’t help you out.Currently accepting applications from teams that would like to be my new NBA favorite. Only requirement is that you have a head coach who isn't entirely effing clueless...and a superstar who can make a free throw.
My groin strain electro stim needle recaps may have occurred in a pre-floppo or floppo hiatus period.Uh huh. Go on...
I missed this— Zach LaVine will be considered a superstar next year.No superstar. Application denied.
That is insane. My pushup production has gone down dramatically.@SteelCurtain, I have a new goal for you:
Wisconsin man surpasses world pushup record but is adding to the total
No.That is insane. My pushup production has gone down dramatically.
Marathon training takes up too much time. I need to recommit to pushups. Going to organize a July challenge?
@bushdocdahas done it.Quick question for the MAF guys. I know @gianmarco did it but I can't recall if others did as well.
I'm 50 years old so my MAF heartrate is determined by 180-50...therefore 130.
I ran my 10 mile run at 8:32 pace and average heartrate of 128. Does that mean I'm following the MAF technique? I'm guessing it went a little above 130 on the hills but overall, it was pretty steady.
Just wondering as I plan another 10 mile easy run tomorrow. (It will be the 6th in last 7 days.)
Good to know. I’m not going to do all my runs that way so I guess that plan is out.gianmarco said:@bushdocdahas done it.
As for you, part of the formula is adding 5 if you are in shape and running consistently over the last 2 years. I know you were injured, but you are probably good at 135, I think.
But, whatever you choose, you can't go over it. It's not an average. If you get 1-2 beats over, you need to slow down if following it by the letter. Also, all your runs have to be MAF. It can't just be some. The point is to do nothing but MAF for 2-3 months and see how you improve.
So 2-3month of MAF is supposed to improve your.... what?gianmarco said:@bushdocdahas done it.
As for you, part of the formula is adding 5 if you are in shape and running consistently over the last 2 years. I know you were injured, but you are probably good at 135, I think.
But, whatever you choose, you can't go over it. It's not an average. If you get 1-2 beats over, you need to slow down if following it by the letter. Also, all your runs have to be MAF. It can't just be some. The point is to do nothing but MAF for 2-3 months and see how you improve.
I’d guess you’d perhaps be curious what your MAF test is at (I think it’s awarm up of like 2 miles then 5 miles at/below MAF) but you are going to want more specific training ‘in season’ I presume. I agree with the doc that you’re experience would earn you the +5 HR. True MAF is all or nothing but I still use the MAF hr as a guide that easy runs should be under for me.Good to know. I’m not going to do all my runs that way so I guess that plan is out.
I’ll have to see what my HR does on uphills during my easy runs.
Thanks!
In a nutshell,So 2-3month of MAF is supposed to improve your.... what?
Legit question- I know nothing about this and when I googled, the info was anything but succinct. Is it just to build beginning fitness, minimizing risk of injury? I guess I dont understand how running with low hr might improve my pace or fitness.
At what point is the aerobic system considered developed?developing the aerobic system first, before attempting hard work, is ideal:
For, probably not useful at all. With your background, you have an aerobic base that you built years ago with your soccer training and then Tris.At what point is the aerobic system considered developed?
Im trying to figure out if this is useful at all for a guy like me at this stage of my training. Or something to use on recovery runs.
Training which is on a break the last couple weeks. Have to fight this urge to ramp down so it doesnt persist longer term and makes me completely lose the fitness I've regained the last year.
Please, you’re going to give me night sweats. If only the Wolves had kept LaVine over Wiggins, then we wouldn’t have ended up trading what will likely be the 5th-7th pick in this years draft just to get rid of Wiggins in order to add the not-much-better D’Angelo Russell. So gross.Juxtatarot said:I missed this— Zach LaVine will be considered a superstar next year.
You’d need to read up and decide if it would help you or perhaps be useful as a bridge approach for a block between focused training. Not sure it fits your style and May drive you crazy.At what point is the aerobic system considered developed?
Im trying to figure out if this is useful at all for a guy like me at this stage of my training. Or something to use on recovery runs.
Training which is on a break the last couple weeks. Have to fight this urge to ramp down so it doesnt persist longer term and makes me completely lose the fitness I've regained the last year.
This makes me feel a tad better to read in my sixers hell.Please, you’re going to give me night sweats. If only the Wolves had kept LaVine over Wiggins, then we wouldn’t have ended up trading what will likely be the 5th-7th pick in this years draft just to get rid of Wiggins in order to add the not-much-better D’Angelo Russell. So gross.
MAF is supposed to improve your aerobic fitness.So 2-3month of MAF is supposed to improve your.... what?
Legit question- I know nothing about this and when I googled, the info was anything but succinct. Is it just to build beginning fitness, minimizing risk of injury? I guess I dont understand how running with low hr might improve my pace or fitness.
Start reading in the thread here. It's my experience that I logged here and lots of responses from others with links.At what point is the aerobic system considered developed?
Im trying to figure out if this is useful at all for a guy like me at this stage of my training. Or something to use on recovery runs.
Training which is on a break the last couple weeks. Have to fight this urge to ramp down so it doesnt persist longer term and makes me completely lose the fitness I've regained the last year.
Agree. I was just wondering if I was "MAF-ing" my recovery runs.My understanding is that MAF training - Maximum Aerobic Function training - is used to build your internal engine by adding more mitochondria and expanding your capillary density. That allows for more efficient processing of oxygen into energy. Superficially, MAF doesn't seem nearly as effective as working up a good ol' sweat, But building an internal powerhouse sets the tone for future success.
@SteelCurtain, I wouldn't think it would benefit you at this time as you're starting up your marathon training.
I don't think this is true. I think it's MORE effective for your aerobic fitness to do an extended period of aerobic-only training, but I don't think the only way to improve your aerobic fitness is to do nothing but MAF shuffles until you git gud. As you mentioned- flop has never done MAF and already has awesome aerobic fitness from exercises that were clearly not done at 180 minus age plus 5 bpm. The common refrain these days seems to be 80/20 runs should be slow/fast, and for newer runners closer to 100/0 slow. The MAF approach in its purest original form is 100 slow until you don't need it anymore, but he seems to have backed off that somewhat.The other idea behind it is that it teaches your body to burn mostly fat instead of glycogen. That's a big reason why you can't do any kind of workouts in the middle of MAF training.
Yeah, I don't know if the slow runs (grue's "glue runs") between the SOS workouts are improving mitochondria. In my mind, those runs are aiding recovery by increasing blood flow through the slightly damaged muscles while also simply adding miles to the base. If they're adding mitochondria ...all the better!The Hanson's book talks about the slow recovery runs being crucial to prep for next hard workout but also adding mitochondria. Faster is NOT always better.
I think another benefit is working other muscles that aren't usually used but get recruited when the main muscles are fatigued.Yeah, I don't know if the slow runs (grue's "glue runs") between the SOS workouts are improving mitochondria. In my mind, those runs are aiding recovery by increasing blood flow through the slightly damaged muscles while also simply adding miles to the base. If they're adding mitochondria ...all the better!
In my HR/pace calculus, recovery runs are well below MAF rate.Agree. I was just wondering if I was "MAF-ing" my recovery runs.
The Hanson's book talks about the slow recovery runs being crucial to prep for next hard workout but also adding mitochondria. Faster is NOT always better.
Anthony Edwards should be fun to watch.Please, you’re going to give me night sweats. If only the Wolves had kept LaVine over Wiggins, then we wouldn’t have ended up trading what will likely be the 5th-7th pick in this years draft just to get rid of Wiggins in order to add the not-much-better D’Angelo Russell. So gross.
I dont know when we sequed into star wars, but #### that jar jar binks trilogy.they're adding mitochondria ...all the better!
The book specifically reinforces the importance of slow running because you want to build mitochondria.Yeah, I don't know if the slow runs (grue's "glue runs") between the SOS workouts are improving mitochondria. In my mind, those runs are aiding recovery by increasing blood flow through the slightly damaged muscles while also simply adding miles to the base. If they're adding mitochondria ...all the better!
Tell me more.In my HR/pace calculus, recovery runs are well below MAF rate.
That seems very awesome & reasonable for recovery for that length of run so I doubt you’d benefit from lower/slower too much. It aligns with what I shoot for of keeping easy runs easy with HR ~ 10 below MAF.Tell me more.
I’m 50, so my HR should be 130 (plus @gianmarcogave an a +5 due to my fitness so it’s really 135.)
my average HR on my 10 mile recovery was 128. Admittedly, I wouldn’t want to go much faster in my recovery. And if we think me slowing another 30 seconds per mile would help, I’m definitely open to it!
Prob can send it to Gian and he can add it to your watch face.I need to do better with my recovery runs. The legs usually just want to go once they're warmed up.
Also need to look at getting HR active on my watch face so i can use it durimg training. Currently only look at it after the fact.