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RB Derrick Henry, BAL (5 Viewers)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He should be a linebacker
mikel2014
Footballguy
Not sure how true this is. But rumor in Gainesville is that Henry wanted to go to UF, but Muschamp recruited him as a LB. Henry refused to switch positions, and thus another Bama Heisman RB is born.
It also adds more fire to how terrible Muschamp was.
Milkman
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
1.2
matttyl
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
coolnerd
Footballguy
Not sure why anyone' opinion of Henry changes much...the numbers seem to confirm what we largely knew...really big guy with straightline speed who might not change directions and/or start and stop that well. your hope for excellence is that henry so much dude that he is tough for defenses to handle
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gump
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
That's how you miss on the next David Johnson and over draft the next bust like Melvin Gordon. I know it's not popular on here but there is some merit to seeing what's under the hood.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I spoke specifically on Henry's numbers (checking the hood)...you are adding the part about ignoring the combine on your own.
Milkman
Footballguy
Fair enough it seemed like you were alluding to that when I first read it but after rereading it I see what you meant. If he had put up jumps like Elliot he would have dropped significantly. He needs to cut some weight before his pro-day.
Milkman
Footballguy
Agree. I woke up today thinking his closest comp was Brandon Jacobs and I'll got bed tonight thinking his closest comp is Brandon Jacobs.
Borden
Footballguy
Both.
There are slight differences in the two. Jacobs was actually bigger and faster, Henry is a little more laterally elusive to me, but all in all very similar to me.
Jacobs was a good RB, like Henry a nightmare to bring down, had a healthy YPC and was a big time goal line runner. That's the good part and I think Henry can do all of those things.
I think Henry is a two down back like Jacobs which is a major negative to me and I also think due to his size and immense workload I don't like his chances of staying healthy or being productive over the long haul, not consistently anyway.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Adrian Peterson has been a two down back most of his career. Just saying.
Well good luck to you if you think Henry is the next Peterson and if you don't not sure why you bring him up.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Of course that's not the comp. The idea is that being a two down back isn't a death knell.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I agree I just think it's a lot lot harder to hit on them but that's my opinion, and like I said earlier when I comped Henry to Jacobs that was not meant as some kind of insult, Jacobs for sure had use. More than anything I was just trying to say that Henry is who I thought he was, today was not some kind of game changer.
elguapo07
Footballguy
I think Henry ends up a cross between a faster Chuck Muncie and a stronger and faster Franco Harris. I don't buy the Jacobs comb and I really think you need to go back further to get a more accurate comp as I think Henry could end up as a 8,000 to 10,000 yd back for his career.
gianmarco
Footballguy
This is my take as well. I think another potential comp is Steven Jackson. Jackson was 6'2, 240, ran a 4.45, 37 in vertical and was built similarly. In fact, he's closer to Jackson than he is to Jacobs in terms of size. However, I don't think Henry has the receiving chops that Jackson had nor do I think he's as powerful/violent runner that Jackson was. I also don't think he possesses quite the same lateral agility and acceleration that Jackson had.menobrown said:
Jackson was an animal and truly a physical specimen and elite talent. I think Henry could be close to him as a runner but will be limited in reaching that status due to his receiving ability.
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Faust
MVP
FWIW Jacobs' Giants led the NFL in rushing when they used him in the first, big Ward in the 2nd, both in the 3rd, and fresh Bradshaw in the 4th.menobrown said:
Jacobs, by himself, couldn't really hold up a full game. He did at times and looked dead tired. Ward was about the same. The rest was quite significant with them.
Bam Morris had a short career which did include a peak where people thought he was unstoppable but a few games later he wore down too.
The Chiefs have had some well-known big RBs. They seem faster and with better vision than Henry, but just the same they wore down quick.
One of my faves to watch, Alstott, also wore down quick.
There's a real lot of precedent and I'm struggling to think of a big back that lasted. Jim Brown was nine years, Earl Campbell nine too but five top ones.
I would be anxious to ride the Henry train in dynasty but also leery he won't hold up as long as other backs.
I think Jackson is top of the line athleticism, maybe Jim Brown is the only more athletic big back. (If Ricky is a big back, then I'd put Jax third)
I don't see this in Henry highlights, definitely see more Bam Morris and Jacobs.
I think if he was Jackson-ish he'd be a top pick. I don't think his NFL team is going to have him catching screens to use any moves to beat someone one on one. He's more steam-roller less wiggle.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
More atheletic eddie george.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Brandon Jacobs might be a size comparison, but his college stats were non existent and he was a 4th round pick. It's a lazy comparison. We don't say that anyone 5'9" 210 who runs a 4.45 is going to have the exact same career.
The optimistic comp for Henry isn't Jacobs - who had good stretches but wasn't as talented as Henry - it's Eddie George, who also won the Heisman.
And while I agree that wearing down can be an issue for big backs, you can't ding Henry because Jacobs got tired with too many carries. Look at the season Henry just put up, and against quality competition. He can carry the load for as long as his body will allow.
The optimistic comp for Henry isn't Jacobs - who had good stretches but wasn't as talented as Henry - it's Eddie George, who also won the Heisman.
And while I agree that wearing down can be an issue for big backs, you can't ding Henry because Jacobs got tired with too many carries. Look at the season Henry just put up, and against quality competition. He can carry the load for as long as his body will allow.
That was selective. I mentioned Chiefs backs, Brown, Earl, Alstott, Bam, and Ward. I didn't make it cause and effect with Jacobs getting tired so Henry will.
Currently, I guess Arian Foster has a similar BMI and big frame. Shorter but 6-0 232. People consider him very questionable or "with issues" heading into 2016. He only has 4-5 peak years the other two years are not noteworthy at all.
Do you disagree with this sentiment " I would be anxious to ride the Henry train in dynasty but also leery he won't hold up as long as other backs. "?
Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah I agree with this and was skeptical before the combine "but" Henry should have put those fears to rest with his combine performance. He just showed he's above average athletically almost across the board. Sure his 3 cone was bad but he was never going to make people miss much in the NFL. He's going to wear teams down. One cut and go.
Your point, if I understand it correctly, is if he loses 15 lbs he'll be quicker, or his lateral agility will get better.
My point is that if he's at his 100% most powerful at 250 - and you want him to come down to 95%, the incremental increase to his lateral quickness or agility will not be worth the 5% he lost from power.
He's not going to ever going to be a Barry Sanders type. Let him be the Okoye type and do what he does well. If you know anything about him as a prospect you know that the knock on him was never "he's not fast," it was lacking the lateral movement and "moves" other backs have had. He's not going to learn those or get good enough for them to matter at this stage in his career.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Doesn't his skill set resemble those of Herschel Walker?
Xue
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
Alabama O-line in 2015 was not as good as year's past. They didn't use a FB and ran out of shotgun or pistol a lot more.
Milkman
Footballguy
It's not a zero sum game. Losing this % of weight doesn't necessarily mean he's going to lose this % of power.
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