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RB Leonard Fournette, FA (9 Viewers)
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Milkman
Footballguy
Also I haven't personally looked into the incentives in his contract but according to Twitter he will be the highest paid RB on the team if he meets those incentives and odds are he will.
Yes the more i look into this situation the better I feel. If I was drafting I would not pass him up in the 4th round. Got to have him.
Yes the more i look into this situation the better I feel. If I was drafting I would not pass him up in the 4th round. Got to have him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It was about WR efficiency, not QB efficiency, and no - it was highly relevant. I am still looking for the article.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not for nothing, the expectation laid out in this article would be the best case scenario for both backs IMO, and was hinted at earlier.
RoJo 1-2 downs, Fournette receiving & GL back. Likely some sets with both backs in the backfield.
Definitely caps their ceilings respectively, but non-PPR RoJo is still a fairly solid flex play, PPR Fournette obviously gets the bigger bump in value. I am skeptical Fournette runs away with anything as has been asserted here.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Quality over quantity. IF he can command the lion over Ron Jones and Key Vaughn... In weeks 15-16. Really over weeks 9-16.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Didn't find it (it might have been an article here at FBG, I just can't remember where I saw it) but I found one that makes many of the same points. I'll post it there now + @barackdhouse
Kevrunner
Footballguy
This is from last year, Bruce Arians was having a press conference, answering questions, at the 5:00 mark, he talks about an upcoming game against Jacksonville and speaks about playing against Fournette. Just skip to the 5:00 mark.
2019 Bruce Arians
2019 Bruce Arians
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
He may not have even taken a pay cut. If he wins the grievance against JAX, at minimum, he would be getting paid $6m for the year instead of $4. If he wins the grievance and his volume/production is high with TBB, he stands to earn ~$10m for the year.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Godwin plays the slot.lol - and I’m higher on Evans than Godwin. I think he’s a better fit for Brady’s arm.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Huh? I didn’t call Fournette the new James White. I expect him to be the lead back on 1st and 2nd downs in a RBBC.
I also didn't call Rojo the James White either if that's what you're trying to say.
Neither are great receivers out of the backfield - although Fournette did rack up receptions last season.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
just wow, this was one of the best spots for our LF shares!!
Milkman
Footballguy
We're all guessing but I'd say 80/20 Fournette once he's up to speed. The first 3 weeks RoJo might get more carries though.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
some dope on ESPN fantasy was saying that he wouldn't take LF until the 12th if at all on my 6 pm ride home... would love to hear him spin his decision making now
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I think the idea RoJo is going to be used more on passing downs due to his smaller build and Pass Pro, LF will grind the games out once they get the leads in the later Qs
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Does anyone know if the Bucs have an escape clause if it doesn't work out? What are the details of his contract? Not a great day for Jones owners I suppose, but this could turn out to be bad for both in fantasy. I'm not so sure the Bucs would kick Jones to the bench, but I guess anything is possible.
Milkman
Footballguy
Skoo
Footballguy
People have definitely been low on Fournette but I'm not sure either of those are true.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I hear ya, I'm no scout and barely watched Jax when they were on... but when I did watch I felt he was a solid player... don't know why there is this much hate.
Brady can change that tune if he gets out of line
Milkman
Footballguy
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Capella
Footballguy
I’m sure pro football focus has the stats. For me, going with the nfl defensive coach is enough for me.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here's part of the problem that no one is really talking about. Tampa's offense in 2018 accounted for 6881 YFS and 47 TD. In 2019, they accounted for 6648 YFS and 48 TD.Milkman said:
This year, they added Leonard Fournette, LeSean McCoy, and Ke'shawn Vaughan to the RBs and only lost Peyton Barber and his 585 YFS and & 7 TD. For receiving options, they added Rob Gronkowski and Tyler Johnson.
The Bucs were Top 3 in offense both years. Top offenses generally don't just stack more offense on to what they had already by adding more players . . . they typically redistribute the production they had among the new players.
The point being, for Fournette to have a huge season this year, his production will come at the expense of other offensive weapons. There is only one football. As a for instance, Dodds projects the Tampa offense to generate 6085 YFS and 42 TD this season . . . that would be 563 fewer yards and 6 fewer TD this year. (I am not saying Dodds is right or wrong, only that some of the totals people are projecting for the Tampa offense this year seem really inflated and hard to justify.)
So if someone like Fournette is going to come in and get a huge workload running the football, that will keep the clock moving and would lead to reduced passing and receiving totals for everyone else.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Leonard Fournette is a poor man's Latavius Murray.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Amazing Fournette has a base salary of 2 mil and Todd Gurley is 5 mil.
Milkman
Footballguy
Well the new QB might not fit as well with the WR as the old one did. Obviously he's better especially in the ball security sense. That could be where the offense takes a step back. Lenny is in line for 15+ touches a game. If he starts killing it I don't see why Arians and Brady would fight that.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Why? - they gave more snaps to Peyton Barber than Jones last season. Peyton Barber.JohnnyU said:
With that said I do think this late in the game, Jones will see the bigger workload early in the season so if he does well, he should be able to keep a role. Personally I think he's pretty terrible so I don't anticipate him holding off Fournette for too long but it's surely possible.
Milkman
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Perhaps he can do better with those GL touches with the Bucs than he did in Jax. One would have thought he would be better at that than he showed last year. Of course the line will get the blame, and probably rightfully so, but some of that is on LF.
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Milkman
Footballguy
FBG is telling everyone this is a 4 headed monster and a situation to avoid but they are forgetting one thing. Lenny wouldn't have signed with Tampa this quick if they hadn't told him he's the man as soon as he's up to speed. He's playing for a huge contract this season. Tampa promised him touches and lots of them.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I bet Arians was as truthful with Fournette as he was with Jones...and the rest of us.
LF: Will I be the lead guy?
BA: Uh....sure.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He had 7 GL carries last season and scored 3 TDs. I'm not sure we can take too much away from that small sample size.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He wanted a job. There are few out there. It’s a week before the season starts. Every team had the chance to clam him and didn’t. You are absolutely dreaming if you think Tampa promised him anything. If a team aspired to make them their main back, someone would have claimed him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
He wouldn't have signed that quickly. He's made a ton of money already. He signed with them because they told him what he wants to hear. Of course if Jones outplays him he might not get it but that's simply not happening.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
While we can't truly know how much is agent smoke or what was exactly said, it was reported that he basically had his choice between the Bucs, Pats, and Bills yesterday. Surely they weren't all offering the same situation or contract. Given that the Buc's contract he took is heavy on usage based bonuses, I think it isn't unreasonable to assume that he was told that he had a good chance of meeting those bonuses.
But, we'll see how things shake out in the next few weeks. Arians has a history of favoring a workhorse back if he has one, and the team's moves over the last year lead us to believe they don't think they have one yet (signing McCoy, drafting Vaughn, etc). I have Fournette in only one league, but I'm seeing if I can buy low in places where I'm RB needy. If he hits here it'd be a good situation.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Kind of hard to be good in the redzone when teams stack 8-9 in the box every play, and have no respect for your passing game. He is not the best goal line back by any means, but you absolutely have to take into account how defenses schemed against the Jags, and it was "Stop Fournette".
