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Black Lives Matter to disrupt Twin Cities Marathon (1 Viewer)

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This has been discussed in the 10K thread but I think it merits its own thread.

The St. Paul chapter of Black Lives Matter has announced plans to disrupt the Twin Cities Marathon [4], scheduled to take place Sunday, October 4. In doing so, the organization hopes to draw attention to recent cases of what it alleges is police brutality.

The protesters hope to stop runners from finishing the marathon, said organizer Rashad Turner of Black Lives Matter St. Paul.

"Our plan is just to disrupt business as usual and try to create as much awareness as possible," Turner told Runner's World. "Our hopes are that when the marathon runners reach us at the finish line, instead of being more concerned with finishing the marathon, that they’ve been able to do some critical thinking throughout this week and understand how powerful it would be if we all stood together in solidarity against the injustices that are plaguing our society and plaguing the community right here in St. Paul, Minnesota.”

Twin Cities Marathon officials released a statement on the event's website.

"We are working closely with city officials to ensure the safety of all participants, volunteers, and spectators,” the statement read. “City officials are advising on logistics and recommendations and we will share that with you as soon as it is available. We ask for your patience as we work on this, and want to reiterate that your safety is our highest priority."

A spokesman for the St. Paul Police Department did not specify whether there would be more officers on duty during the marathon or additional fencing or barricades.

“There's always a well coordinated police presence at the Twin Cities Marathon,” said Steve Linders, the public information coordinator for the St. Paul Police Department. “I think there’s great concern among the runners, as there should be. People spend a great amount of time, energy, effort, and money to run, and it would be shame for that to be spoiled. We want to make sure this is a safe environment for all, while at the same time, making sure people have the chance to have their voices heard in a way that’s safe and lawful.”

The event’s 10-mile race, which will serve as the 2015 USA 10-Mile Championship, will begin at 7 a.m., while the marathon, which serves as the 2015 USA Masters Championship, is scheduled for 8 a.m. The point-to-point course runs from Minneapolis to St. Paul. This year, 11,473 runners have registered for the marathon.

Turner confirmed that the protest will begin at 10 a.m. in a park a couple blocks away from several access points in the course’s final mile. He says that the specifics of the plan will depend on what measures police and race officials put in place on the day of the event.

“I think they’re going to expect us to be on the sidelines," Turner said. "How far we get onto the course and at what point will sort of be dictated by the police response and things they do to adjust the course, or the different fencing or barricades that they put up. We will accomplish our mission of disruption, our mission of creating awareness, regardless of whatever plans are put in place by the St. Paul Police Department or Twin Cities Marathon officials."

Turner stresses that the protest is meant to be a peaceful one.

"We have no plans to incite any type of violence or to be physical with any of the marathon runners. We just plan to be the finish line."

Protest organizers hope to draw attention to four instances of alleged police brutality against African Americans that have taken place in the area this year, including two alleged assaults and the deaths of two men shot by police [6].

Turner said that he understands the hard work that goes into preparing for a race, but he doesn't see runners finishing the race and then going back to join in the protest as a suitable alternative to his group's planned actions at the marathon.

"I don’t think that us allowing them to finish the race would make them wake up enough," Turner said. "I think that life has to be disrupted. We understand the hard work that goes into it, but at the same time, when you compare that with the hard work that let’s say a Tamir Rice, who was killed before he even finished sixth grade, the hard work he had put in that just got cut short. If I’m a marathon runner, I’d much rather have my marathon not be finished than not be able to finish life because the police escalated things and killed people.”

Tamir Rice was a 12-year-old shot by police in Cleveland, Ohio.

Turner says Black Lives Matter St. Paul chose the Twin Cities Marathon as its venue solely because it attracts a large number of people who are able to distance themselves from many of the problems black people face on a daily basis. He notes that he has nothing against the marathon specifically.

“It’s not a protest of the Twin Cities Marathon, it’s just a protest at the Twin Cities Marathon.”

Turner said that his organization is not willing to negotiate with the police on this matter, but that he would be willing to speak to race officials.

“We definitely would be willing to talk with the Twin Cities Marathon officials," Turner said. "If they were to assist us in this fight, that could change the dynamics of what our protest looks like on Sunday...I think there’s a way we can collaborate to where possibly runners will still be able to finish the marathon.”

By Tuesday morning, 112 people had responded to a #BlackMarathon meetup announcement on Facebook saying they were planning to attend the protest at the marathon. Another 56 were listed as "maybe."

On September 20, the same group disrupted light rail service to the Minnesota Vikings game [7] when protesters lay down along the tracks.

Linders said the police worked with Black Lives Matter St. Paul in advance of that protest, and to his knowledge, no one was hurt.

“We have a great tradition here at the St. Paul Police Department of working with people who want to rally, march, and make their voices heard,” Linders said. “We’ve worked with this group in past and they’ve been able to make their voices heard in a safe manner.”
http://www.runnersworld.com/races/black-lives-matter-says-it-plans-to-disrupt-twin-cities-marathon

 
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It's just a marathon...

Why do they have to bring race into it?

 
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Anyone else besides me surprised there are enough black people in Minnesota to disrupt a marathon?

 
See this is just stupid. Some guy or woman who has trained all year for this and never did anything wrong is going to get screwed over so they can make a statement. This is not how you win friends and influence people. You just piss people off. Even people like me who are on your side. It raises awareness that you are being a jackass

 
They disrupted the Minnesota State Fair last month too.

They have been emboldened to do these things ever since charges were dropped in the Mall of America trespassing case.

 
i hope they arrest each and every protestor that tries to block the finish line just like they would anyone else. What the hell is wrong with all these stupid protestors. Non-violent, ya right. I am sure 11,000 participants and the people there watching will love having these idiots interrupting their scheduled run. Enough is enough already.

 
They disrupted the Minnesota State Fair last month too.

They have been emboldened to do these things ever since charges were dropped in the Mall of America trespassing case.
it started before that.. they started marching down 35w and instead of arresting, or at least force them off, the state closed the freeway "for their safety"... since that day they protested illegally at MOA.. closed down the light rail before a Vikings game and now this plan... :thumbdown:
 
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This has been discussed in the 10K thread but I think it merits it's own thread.

"Our hopes are that when the marathon runners reach us at the finish line, instead of being more concerned with finishing the marathon, that they’ve been able to do some critical thinking throughout this week and understand how powerful it would be if we all stood together in solidarity against the injustices that are plaguing our society and plaguing the community right here in St. Paul, Minnesota.”
"If I’m a marathon runner, I’d much rather have my marathon not be finished than not be able to finish life because the police escalated things and killed people.”
This is almost an Onion article

 
This has been discussed in the 10K thread but I think it merits it's own thread.

"Our hopes are that when the marathon runners reach us at the finish line, instead of being more concerned with finishing the marathon, that they’ve been able to do some critical thinking throughout this week and understand how powerful it would be if we all stood together in solidarity against the injustices that are plaguing our society and plaguing the community right here in St. Paul, Minnesota.”
"If I’m a marathon runner, I’d much rather have my marathon not be finished than not be able to finish life because the police escalated things and killed people.”
This is almost an Onion article
"critical thinking"

 
Almost as stupid as this protest is the fact that they chose to announce it beforehand. Reminds me of those truckers who were going to barricade Washington DC and shut down the federal government.

 
Domestic terrorism imo.
Now lets not go overboard.
Then what would you call it? What does a completely unrelated event like a marathon have to do their cause and why would they want to ruin it?
When you start throwing around charges of terrorism at protests you cheapen the word. They aren't terrorists they are dooshes. There is a difference.
What would you call someone who harms innocent people and ruins events to draw awareness to their cause?

 
Domestic terrorism imo.
Now lets not go overboard.
Then what would you call it? What does a completely unrelated event like a marathon have to do their cause and why would they want to ruin it?
When you start throwing around charges of terrorism at protests you cheapen the word. They aren't terrorists they are dooshes. There is a difference.
What would you call someone who harms innocent people and ruins events to draw awareness to their cause?
People are getting harmed now?

 
Domestic terrorism imo.
Now lets not go overboard.
Then what would you call it? What does a completely unrelated event like a marathon have to do their cause and why would they want to ruin it?
When you start throwing around charges of terrorism at protests you cheapen the word. They aren't terrorists they are dooshes. There is a difference.
What would you call someone who harms innocent people and ruins events to draw awareness to their cause?
Harming?

 
Domestic terrorism imo.
Now lets not go overboard.
Then what would you call it? What does a completely unrelated event like a marathon have to do their cause and why would they want to ruin it?
When you start throwing around charges of terrorism at protests you cheapen the word. They aren't terrorists they are dooshes. There is a difference.
What would you call someone who harms innocent people and ruins events to draw awareness to their cause?
People are getting harmed now?
These people have trained months or years for this race. They spent hundreds or thousands of dollars in preparation, race fees and lodging. I'd say that if they are physically forced or intimidated into not finishing the race then yes, they have been harmed.

 
Domestic terrorism imo.
Now lets not go overboard.
Then what would you call it? What does a completely unrelated event like a marathon have to do their cause and why would they want to ruin it?
When you start throwing around charges of terrorism at protests you cheapen the word. They aren't terrorists they are dooshes. There is a difference.
What would you call someone who harms innocent people and ruins events to draw awareness to their cause?
Just do yourself a favor and shut up.
 
Domestic terrorism imo.
Now lets not go overboard.
Then what would you call it? What does a completely unrelated event like a marathon have to do their cause and why would they want to ruin it?
When you start throwing around charges of terrorism at protests you cheapen the word. They aren't terrorists they are dooshes. There is a difference.
What would you call someone who harms innocent people and ruins events to draw awareness to their cause?
People are getting harmed now?
These people have trained months or years for this race. They spent hundreds or thousands of dollars in preparation, race fees and lodging. I'd say that if they are physically forced or intimidated into not finishing the race then yes, they have been harmed.
No, that's "inconvenienced".

 
Domestic terrorism imo.
Now lets not go overboard.
Then what would you call it? What does a completely unrelated event like a marathon have to do their cause and why would they want to ruin it?
When you start throwing around charges of terrorism at protests you cheapen the word. They aren't terrorists they are dooshes. There is a difference.
What would you call someone who harms innocent people and ruins events to draw awareness to their cause?
People are getting harmed now?
These people have trained months or years for this race. They spent hundreds or thousands of dollars in preparation, race fees and lodging. I'd say that if they are physically forced or intimidated into not finishing the race then yes, they have been harmed.
:mellow:

 
Domestic terrorism imo.
Now lets not go overboard.
Then what would you call it? What does a completely unrelated event like a marathon have to do their cause and why would they want to ruin it?
When you start throwing around charges of terrorism at protests you cheapen the word. They aren't terrorists they are dooshes. There is a difference.
What would you call someone who harms innocent people and ruins events to draw awareness to their cause?
Just do yourself a favor and shut up.
Go drink bleach, Dr. Roboto.

 
Am I missing the link between police killing people and people trying to run a 26 mile race? 100 miles and runnin', maybe?

 
Domestic terrorism imo.
Now lets not go overboard.
Then what would you call it? What does a completely unrelated event like a marathon have to do their cause and why would they want to ruin it?
When you start throwing around charges of terrorism at protests you cheapen the word. They aren't terrorists they are dooshes. There is a difference.
What would you call someone who harms innocent people and ruins events to draw awareness to their cause?
People are getting harmed now?
These people have trained months or years for this race. They spent hundreds or thousands of dollars in preparation, race fees and lodging. I'd say that if they are physically forced or intimidated into not finishing the race then yes, they have been harmed.
Stop digging, There is no intent to harm anyone.

 
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!!!
How much do you think it costs to fly to Minnesota and stay in a hotel downtown the weekend of the race?
That's a ####### "you" problem. Is Minneapolis the only city with marathons? No. Stay close to home and run in one of the many many marathons offered locally. Good lord. Even if somebody does fly in and stay in a hotel, they aren't going to be physically harmed.

 
I've flown into Minneapolis many times. Never spent THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!

Well, maybe at Mellyhole I but that was due to gambling. :bag:

 
I would say that this is closer to, or is, terrorism. Notice the blue box on the left, this is the 4th robbery this month where the robber just decided to shoot the victim that never put up a fight. It's even more ####### crazy than normal around here. Murders are up 40% over last year. Interrupting a race is annoying but hardly terrorism.
Terrorism is the use of violence to acheive some kind of political goal. Armed robbery in general is not terrorism. Wonder how a guy with multiple felonies got a gun to start with? Going to guess somewhere there is a straw purchaser that started this chain of tragedy and many others. Or maybe he bought it on Criagslist with no background check. When will we be doing something about that?

 
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I would say that this is closer to, or is, terrorism. Notice the blue box on the left, this is the 4th robbery this month where the robber just decided to shoot the victim that never put up a fight. It's even more ####### crazy than normal around here. Murders are up 40% over last year. Interrupting a race is annoying but hardly terrorism.
Terrorism is the use of violence to acheive some kind of political goal. Armed robbery in general is not terrorism. Wonder how a guy with multiple felonies got a gun to start with? Going to guess somewhere there is a straw purchaser that started this chain of tragedy and many others. Or maybe he bought it on Criagslist with no background check. When will we be doing something about that?
I agree with your defintion GB but when people are scared to walk down the street, terror is terror.

I would bet good money he stole it. There are plenty of people, gangs if you will, that are breaking into homes and cars with the intention of stealing guns. Like these guys.

God forbid you have a band and want to play a gig in St. Louis.

ETA

I can't find an exact number on the robberies targeting bands but I'm guessing it's 6-12 just this year going by memory.

 
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THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!!!
How much do you think it costs to fly to Minnesota and stay in a hotel downtown the weekend of the race?
That's a ####### "you" problem. Is Minneapolis the only city with marathons? No. Stay close to home and run in one of the many many marathons offered locally. Good lord. Even if somebody does fly in and stay in a hotel, they aren't going to be physically harmed.
:lmao: I'm not running the thing but if I was there's a good chance I'd have committed long before these idiots threatened to ruin the event. I guess the people who are coming from out of town should have known, right?

I never said physical harm but I do wonder how they plan to stop people from finishing. Physically blocking them? Intimidation?

 
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!!!
How much do you think it costs to fly to Minnesota and stay in a hotel downtown the weekend of the race?
That's a ####### "you" problem. Is Minneapolis the only city with marathons? No. Stay close to home and run in one of the many many marathons offered locally. Good lord. Even if somebody does fly in and stay in a hotel, they aren't going to be physically harmed.
I'm going to Chicago in two weeks to run a marathon. Probably the only one I will run in my lifetime. So for me, this is a once in a lifetime event. I've trained three years for this. Spent lots of time training. Have spent a fair amount on running gear. I will spend a fair amount on this trip to Chicago.

Could I run a race here in KC? Sure. But going to another city to do this benefits my wife and I. We get to spend some well deserved time together away from our kids, which we haven't had for years.

And if something like this threatened the safety of myself and my wife, AND had the possibility of violence not 1 mile from what I trained three years for, then I would be seriously pissed.

Domestic terrorism - I don't know, probably a strong word for it. But to dismiss those who could be affected like this and treat this as a trivial event for thousands of people who are in this thing....

Man. :shrug:

 
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THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!!!
How much do you think it costs to fly to Minnesota and stay in a hotel downtown the weekend of the race?
That's a ####### "you" problem. Is Minneapolis the only city with marathons? No. Stay close to home and run in one of the many many marathons offered locally. Good lord. Even if somebody does fly in and stay in a hotel, they aren't going to be physically harmed.
while I agree that this is not terrorism, it is also not just an ordinary marathon:

The event’s 10-mile race, which will serve as the 2015 USA 10-Mile Championship, will begin at 7 a.m., while the marathon, which serves as the 2015 USA Masters Championship, is scheduled for 8 a.m.

 
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!!!
How much do you think it costs to fly to Minnesota and stay in a hotel downtown the weekend of the race?
That's a ####### "you" problem. Is Minneapolis the only city with marathons? No. Stay close to home and run in one of the many many marathons offered locally. Good lord. Even if somebody does fly in and stay in a hotel, they aren't going to be physically harmed.
I'm going to Chicago in two weeks to run a marathon. Probably the only one I will run in my lifetime. So for me, this is a once in a lifetime event. I've trained three years for this. Spent lots of time training. Have spent a fair amount on running gear. I will spend a fair amount on this trip to Chicago.

Could I run a race here in KC? Sure. But going to another city to do this benefits my wife and I. We get to spend some well deserved time together away from our kids, which we haven't had for years.

And if something like this threatened the safety of myself and my wife, AND had the possibility of violence not 1 mile from what I trained three years for, then I would be seriously pissed.

Domestic terrorism - I don't know, probably a strong word for it. But to dismiss those who could be affected like this and treat this as a trivial event for thousands of people who are in this thing....

Man. :shrug:
The protesters haven't been violent at any other time, just pushy. And I for one would have no problem with police arresting everyone that got on the course and in the way of the runners. It is important to the people that run it and they deserve some respect. Again I think BLM has a point. I think they are making it in the worst way possible.

 

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