Id need that race database first. Im not google imaging every RB individually to figure out which ones qualify.
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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (4 Viewers)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
There was a bias for a long time against African American QBs in college and the NFL. The game evolves. Sometimes slowly.
Is McCaffrey the one to break the (white) glass ceiling? Who knows. But if his 40, shuttle times and splits are better than an African American RB (or two) at the combine next year, I can't see a team ignoring that because the color of his skin. Numbers don't lie. Tape doesn't lie. Every team in the NFL only cares about winning. Period.
Is McCaffrey the one to break the (white) glass ceiling? Who knows. But if his 40, shuttle times and splits are better than an African American RB (or two) at the combine next year, I can't see a team ignoring that because the color of his skin. Numbers don't lie. Tape doesn't lie. Every team in the NFL only cares about winning. Period.
massraider
Footballguy
I keep a race database of white cornerbacks that I have compiled over the last 25 years. It's pretty comprehensive. I'll share it here, as long as no one re-posts it:
Jason Sehorn
Jason Sehorn
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
What NFL draft round are we expecting him to go in?
Moonshine
Footballguy
What round do all the whiteys go in? Probably that one.
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Depends on Chubb's recovey. That guy was a serious talent, but that was a Marcus Lattimore kind of injury, and he may never come back from it.
McCaffrey broke Barry friggin Sanders' record, and is coming off season where I believe he was robbed of the Heisman. If he has another strong, healthy season (another big if, if you ask me) and tests well at the combine, I won't be surprised to see him go middle second to early third.
Realistically, I think he's the fourth running back off the board, which may mean he goes later than I expect. Hard to say for sure, since I think next year's class will be the best we've seen in awhile, so it'll be interesting to see how the teams value the backs.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Thanks. I just think he would make a load of sense in NO if available in the 3rd or 4th.
buck naked
Footballguy
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Can't wait to see how he does next season. If he blows up again, I don't see how he doesn't go in the 1st round.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Ryan Mathews is half White - it's probably the white half of him that's always getting injured and keeping his other half down.
Run It Up
Footballguy
That Danny Woodhead kid was pretty great in College and in the NFL, only a half a foot shorter.
Moonshine
Footballguy
In general, possibly, but McCaffrey seems to buck this trend, and that statement seems like a massive reduction of the issue at hand. I'd be curious to look at the success rate of white dudes that are already successful, Heisman caliber running backs in college as they transition to the NFL. I imagine the sample size is minimal, but I think that's a more appropriate pool of players to compare him to than just white running backs in general.
Sure, I concede there are very few successful (defined as a starter, or at least a significant portion of a RBBC) white running backs in the NFL, but how many white guys like McCaffrey, with his skill set and accolades, do we really have to compare him to?
He's got another year to play where a lot can happen, but at this point I think his tape speaks for itself. I can only hope there are more a few people like some of y'all in my leagues that write him off just because of his pigmentation.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Woodhead held a couple records in college but he came from a division 2 or 3 school. Mccaffrey, while being 5-6 inches taller than Woodhead, they are still imo very similar backs.
He ofc went undrafted, but that was a different NFL than todays NFL. I don't think he will be one of the first backs off the board but it won't be because he isn't one of the best backs in that class.
He ofc went undrafted, but that was a different NFL than todays NFL. I don't think he will be one of the first backs off the board but it won't be because he isn't one of the best backs in that class.
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Zyphros
Footballguy
I keep coming into this thread hoping for some useful notes about him and all I keep seeing is "he's white, he's going to suck". Shutup people... He's plenty athletic, big, strong, quick, enough to be a damn good RB in the NFL. The question is not about his skin color, it's can he show improvement on what he did this past year and keep his stock trending upwards. If he can then hell we might have 4 RB's go in the 1st round of the NFL draft, if he can't then I still think an NFL team is getting a great RB.
He's a RB, not a "white RB". Let him play football.
He's a RB, not a "white RB". Let him play football.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I posted this in the 2017 Draft Prospects thread but figure this is a better thread for it:
I'm not sure what to make of McCaffrey from watching game clips. He obviously racks up yards and has very good speed. What I don't see a lot of is lateral moves and quick juke type ability. I see a lot of well designed plays that are blocked well and McCaffrey seems to excel at setting up and reading his blocks and hitting the right holes. He has speed too, but I didn't see much of him stopping on a dime and laterally changing directions like what I see from elite RBs. I want this kid to be a stud and he's still very young. If he puts up huge stats again, I guess you kind of have to trust that production. I'm not a big follower of college ball. Does Stanford have a great O-line? Is their offense unique or gimicky?
I'm not sure what to make of McCaffrey from watching game clips. He obviously racks up yards and has very good speed. What I don't see a lot of is lateral moves and quick juke type ability. I see a lot of well designed plays that are blocked well and McCaffrey seems to excel at setting up and reading his blocks and hitting the right holes. He has speed too, but I didn't see much of him stopping on a dime and laterally changing directions like what I see from elite RBs. I want this kid to be a stud and he's still very young. If he puts up huge stats again, I guess you kind of have to trust that production. I'm not a big follower of college ball. Does Stanford have a great O-line? Is their offense unique or gimicky?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I would call stanfords offense plain and vanilla to be honest. But it is a pro style. Kid is just a dominate college player.
Moonshine
Footballguy
Power run, pro style offense, led by a mediocre game managing QB, where opponents can key on McCaffrey because he is almost their entire offense.
The offensive line is generally stout, and they drew up a number of different ways to get him the ball into space (screens, sweeps, dump offs, etc.), but it's the fact that he was able to get so much after getting the ball, even with team's normally stacking the box against him, that was most impressive. I think the way Shaw and Stanford like to run the ball (let the OL and blocking TE open up lanes and then hit that hole hard with a single cut) doesn't allow him to fully demonstrate his lateral quickness, but what you don't see in their normal offense you definitely get glimpses of in the return game.
He's got fantastic hands out of the backfield, and is just very good, at least from what I remember (i.e., I have no stats to back me up), at creating opportunity for himself once the ball was in his hands. It's been awhile since I checked, so things may have changed, but McCaffrey was graded by PFF as a better all around RB than Zeke, Fournette, Cook, etc..
A long season left to play, but there's nothing so far that would indicate he won't be successful at the next level.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Thanks, Moonshine.
I'm definitely excited to see what he does this upcoming season. The few times I did see some lateral quicks was in the return game. It's possible he's so good at seeing the field that he doesn't need the lateral cuts as much. Could his anticipation be that great?
I'm definitely excited to see what he does this upcoming season. The few times I did see some lateral quicks was in the return game. It's possible he's so good at seeing the field that he doesn't need the lateral cuts as much. Could his anticipation be that great?
Moonshine
Footballguy
Possibly. The best players are the ones that make it all look easy and seamless, and that's what he did on a regular basis. It takes a special player to break Barry Sander's record, IMO, but I think it was more the culmination of a number of special circumstances that helped make it happen, including the skill of a very special player in McCaffrey. At the end of the day though, I expect this upcoming season to be tough for a number of different reasons, which could result in a slide in his draft stock:
- Tough road games at Notre Dame, at Oregon, and at UCLA.
- Keller Chryst is my guess on who is going to be the starter at QB. He was a pretty solid recruit coming out of high school, but he's got 9 attempts in his career so far. Hogan was mediocre, but a mediocre game manager is really all McCaffrey needed to be successful, and there's no guarantee that Chryst can even be that.
- They'll also lose Joshua Garnett and Kyle Murphy on the OL this year and Cajuste on the outside. While Stanford does pretty well reloading on the OL, these losses aren't pedestrian.
TL/DR - He's a special player with great vision and a unique skill set, but it could be a very long year for him before next year's NFL draft.
steelers1080
Footballguy
What if he can put on 15 lbs and get to 215 and is still dominant?
steelers1080
Footballguy
Also, he has pretty much the same body frame as Dalvin Cook (6ft 200 lbs), who no one is currently calling a Danny Woodhead comp.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
You have accurately captured the issues Stanford faces next season, with QB being the biggest question mark. Common sense says a down year is coming, but maybe the loss of all that talent makes the offense revolve around McCaffery even more.
I am going to the spring game this weekend and will report back with any worthy impressions.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
After re-watching game clips of the other RBs for 2017, I decided to revisit McCaffrey. This guy IS special. I've come to the conclusion that he is just so good and he anticipates, creates and hits angles so well, that he makes it look easy. After watching Fournette, Cook, Chubb, Freeman, it's McCaffrey who stands out the most to me. In fact if I were to rank those 4 right now, it would be:
Tier 1:
McCaffrey
Chubb
Tier 2:
Fournette
Cook
Tier 1:
McCaffrey
Chubb
Tier 2:
Fournette
Cook
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
You left off Freeman. He will be a better pro back than McCaffrey IMO. Haven't watched enough of Chubb, Fournette, and Cook.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
Shaking my head - it's the mark of incredulity for the discerning millennial cynic.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Boone22
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
superbigpimping420
Footballguy
reminds me of a slower Travis Jervey
Could be a steal in Dynasty drafts next season, for my team's sake I hope his "whiteness" hurts his draft stock.
Could be a steal in Dynasty drafts next season, for my team's sake I hope his "whiteness" hurts his draft stock.
Xue
Footballguy
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
