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14 hours ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

Watching this Ravens defense versus the Bills tonight, I can’t help but feel disappointed in how the Skins D just got rolled by Brady and the Bucs last week. For as great as the D was last season, last Saturday night was definitely a letdown performance. I never in a million years thought I would say that the Skins D let down Taylor Heinicke in a playoff game, but that appeared to be the case.

After seeing Tyler Huntley play QB yesterday, fresh off the practice squad, and Heinicke for the Redskins earlier, it makes me rethink just how bad Haskins was.  I think a lot of the hope in Haskins was just hope that a 1st round pick will turn into a decent QB.  

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I think I went through the same emotional steps with this trade as I do with a regular season game. Trade for Alex Smith = We're playing pretty well, got an early lead, maybe we can win this gam

Ummm...that's terrible behavior but... That's it?

I like to see guys stay, too, and I think Cousins is a decent QB. But he's gone already. Sure, he'll play this year, but only for the franchise $$$ and not because he wants to be here. I really don't

5 minutes ago, Marvelous said:

I always thought Tyrod Taylor was a decent QB.  Like Fitz, he has made a career to being the bridge starting QB until the young QB is ready.

Tyrod has mobility, but he's even more conservative than Alex when it comes to passing.  I would pass on him.  I would rather just roll with a Heinicke/Allen combo next year if Tyrod is the only other option. 

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26 minutes ago, Marvelous said:

I was thinking about this.  Do Eli's Giant Super Bowl wins seem really fluky?  In 2008, they needed the David Tyree catch to beat the Patriots.  I don't remember the other one that much.

Yes.  2008 were carried by his defense.  2008 he was middle of the pack.  He played better in the post season but his d shut down the best offense in history to win the superbowl.  2011 Eli put them on his back and ill give him that.  Defense also stepped up after a poor reg season that year. 

Goes to show how far a great defense can bring you. 

There was another year they made the superbowl beating the vikings i dont recall which that was but the D again shut down one of the best offenses ever.  Was that the SB against the ravens?


ETA:  mixed up the years.

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13 minutes ago, Marvelous said:

After seeing Tyler Huntley play QB yesterday, fresh off the practice squad, and Heinicke for the Redskins earlier, it makes me rethink just how bad Haskins was.  I think a lot of the hope in Haskins was just hope that a 1st round pick will turn into a decent QB.  

I agree, and what makes it even worse is that his "1st round pedigree" was certified by our dumb owner and not the scouting department, who didn't seem to even have a first round grade on him.

It's hard to find positives in a situation where you basically lit a top 20 pick on fire, but one silver lining is that Haskins flamed out so spectacularly that he was the quickest cut of any 1st round QB in history ( eg. even Johnny Football completed his second season on the Browns). The worst thing that happens with these 1st round bust QBs is the amount of time and resources wasted in trying to develop them before ultimately pulling the plug. 

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6 hours ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

The worst thing that happens with these 1st round bust QBs is the amount of time and resources wasted in trying to develop them before ultimately pulling the plug. 

And I don't know if you can ever truly coach the "stupid" out of someone. (And by stupid, I mean game smarts, not book smarts). Sometimes you have the talent for them to tolerate it, other times you are Haskins.

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On 1/17/2021 at 12:49 PM, Marvelous said:

I always thought Tyrod Taylor was a decent QB.  Like Fitz, he has made a career to being the bridge starting QB until the young QB is ready.

I love me some Tyrod.  He is such a good guy.  Beloved at VT and in the NFL by fans, players, and coaches.  Everywhere he goes, they love him but someone takes his job whether he gets stuck backing up a vet, gets injury or the team drafts someone new.  His NFL career is nowhere near what it should have been.   He handles it with class.  

But sadly I think his time has passed for being anything more than a backup.

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5 hours ago, nittanylion said:

Marty Hurney. Discuss.

Meh.  Seems fine. Experienced.  Probably knows other GMs well.  As long as it isn't that dope Bruce Allen, all good. 

I don't think it should have been Kyle Smith though.  It would have been fine.  But he doesn't really have the resume to have become the GM.  Mainly a scout.  Still young.  never really run much.  And in the 10 years he's been here the team hasn't exactly been top of the hill.  I think if he wants to move up beyond his current role he needs the team to succeed.

 

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9 hours ago, nittanylion said:

Marty Hurney. Discuss.

Terrible hire. Uninspired and depressing choice. For all the progress made this year, this is a clear setback.

Let's start with the fact that this guy has been fired twice by the Panthers and had no other interest in this year's hiring cycle. He was rumored to get the job here the minute he was fired since Ron and him go way back. Hurney actually hired Ron and had his back when Richardson wanted to fire him early on in his coaching tenure.  Everything about this move screams croneyism and him being brought in simply for Ron to further consolidate power in the front office. Hurney's draft evaluation chops are extremely suspect. His first round picks have been good, but everything else has been pretty terrible. 

The ONLY way I see this hire being passable is if Hurney was brought in simply to lighten Ron's load on some GM matters but Hurney stays far away from the draft room and lets Kyle Smith and his team handle 100% of the draft. Sadly, what's most likely to happen is Smith ends up leaving Washington after being passed over and will further his success at some other team like so many that have left here before him. 

This is just so typical of this franchise to mess with the one aspect of this dysfunctional organization that was actually successful. The last 3 drafts Smith and his team have conducted (since he has taken over for McCloughan) have been outstanding. Was he too inexperienced for the GM role? Considering he had great success and real talent in by far the most important aspect of the role (college scouting and the draft), I find this claim dubious. Cap management isn't rocket science, and besides, teams (including the Skins) have had specific people hired in this role anyway. Further, some of the other candidates the Skins interviewed had positions similar to Kyle in their respective organizations. The fact that Smith didn't even get an interview for the job, and someone who worked under him (that Ron of course brought over from Carolina) did is a joke. 

Just because Hurney isn't Bruce Allen doesn't make this a good hire. That is way too low a bar and this team needs to aim higher.

 

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7 hours ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

Terrible hire. Uninspired and depressing choice. For all the progress made this year, this is a clear setback.

Let's start with the fact that this guy has been fired twice by the Panthers and had no other interest in this year's hiring cycle. He was rumored to get the job here the minute he was fired since Ron and him go way back. Hurney actually hired Ron and had his back when Richardson wanted to fire him early on in his coaching tenure.  Everything about this move screams croneyism and him being brought in simply for Ron to further consolidate power in the front office. Hurney's draft evaluation chops are extremely suspect. His first round picks have been good, but everything else has been pretty terrible. 

The ONLY way I see this hire being passable is if Hurney was brought in simply to lighten Ron's load on some GM matters but Hurney stays far away from the draft room and lets Kyle Smith and his team handle 100% of the draft. Sadly, what's most likely to happen is Smith ends up leaving Washington after being passed over and will further his success at some other team like so many that have left here before him. 

This is just so typical of this franchise to mess with the one aspect of this dysfunctional organization that was actually successful. The last 3 drafts Smith and his team have conducted (since he has taken over for McCloughan) have been outstanding. Was he too inexperienced for the GM role? Considering he had great success and real talent in by far the most important aspect of the role (college scouting and the draft), I find this claim dubious. Cap management isn't rocket science, and besides, teams (including the Skins) have had specific people hired in this role anyway. Further, some of the other candidates the Skins interviewed had positions similar to Kyle in their respective organizations. The fact that Smith didn't even get an interview for the job, and someone who worked under him (that Ron of course brought over from Carolina) did is a joke. 

Just because Hurney isn't Bruce Allen doesn't make this a good hire. That is way too low a bar and this team needs to aim higher.

 

Yikes i don’t know anything about him.  Sounds like we hired a yes man so Snyder can say we have a gm but really it’s him?  

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2 hours ago, PinkydaPimp said:

Yikes i don’t know anything about him.  Sounds like we hired a yes man so Snyder can say we have a gm but really it’s him?  

Not a yes man for Snyder, but one for Ron. This is appears to be a move so Ron can consolidate power in the front office. Gives him an ability to have a unified front when going to Danny Boy when needed. Which, of course I would rather have Ron in charge than Danny, but you need voices who are willing to give dissenting opinions in any front office structure. 
For as refreshing as last season was, we shouldn’t lose perspective of the fact that at the end of the day we only won 7 games (and the 7th was against a team that was actively trying to lose). Seems a bit rushed to now give Ron the keys to the castle based on that performance. The guys who are capable of running the entire show successfully are few and far between. Basically it’s Coach Hoody in New England and that’s it.

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So now the Skins are bringing in Martin Mayhew in addition to Hurney?!? Mayhew is known as the architect of the Detroit Lions dynasty and the guy who drafted Eric Ebron over Aaron Donald. So now we have two former failed GM retreads instead of one. This offseason is going from bad to worse rather quickly. Regarding my earlier comments on Hurney and how it relates to Kyle Smith, I’m guessing that bringing in Mayhew in addition to Hurney is probably unfortunately the nail in the coffin for Smith’s time here. I’m sure he’ll finish out the draft this year considering all of the work that has been done on it so far, but I fully expect him to end up leaving shortly after. He will probably resurface in SF, LA, or GB (where we let three good coaches walk out the door here) and flourish. This is definitely quite the reality check from the elation over a playoff appearance just a few weeks ago. 

I hope for the best, but I can see this situation going off the rails rather quickly.

The only thing I wonder about Mayhew is if this makes us more likely to make a deal for Stafford. He drafted him while he was GM in Detroit. If he is able to bring us Stafford for a reasonable price I’ll be pleasantly surprised, but I doubt this will be the case.

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14 hours ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

Not a yes man for Snyder, but one for Ron. This is appears to be a move so Ron can consolidate power in the front office. Gives him an ability to have a unified front when going to Danny Boy when needed. Which, of course I would rather have Ron in charge than Danny, but you need voices who are willing to give dissenting opinions in any front office structure. 
For as refreshing as last season was, we shouldn’t lose perspective of the fact that at the end of the day we only won 7 games (and the 7th was against a team that was actively trying to lose). Seems a bit rushed to now give Ron the keys to the castle based on that performance. The guys who are capable of running the entire show successfully are few and far between. Basically it’s Coach Hoody in New England and that’s it.

I doubt Hurney was brought in to be Ron's yes man. That is not how their relationship worked at Carolina. They respect one another and work well together. Marty's draft this past year for the Panthers gave them two really good rookies right away in Brown and Chinn, and Gross-Matos and Roy have shown good things. Give things a chance. 

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8 hours ago, simey said:

I doubt Hurney was brought in to be Ron's yes man. That is not how their relationship worked at Carolina. They respect one another and work well together. Marty's draft this past year for the Panthers gave them two really good rookies right away in Brown and Chinn, and Gross-Matos and Roy have shown good things. Give things a chance. 

You’re the first Panthers fan I’ve heard from that’s had any praise for the guy outside of his record with 1st round picks. Most are offering their condolences. His draft record is not good and he handed out some horrific contracts down there. It also appears that the power dynamic has shifted from their time in Carolina. Like Ron said in his initial presser, this team will have a “coach-centric” power structure. And here Ron is the one bringing Hurney in, not the other way around.

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15 minutes ago, DallasDMac said:

I think it gets worse. I'd hate to lose (most of) these players but understand that is what it would likely take.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/5-players-washington-might-involve-044231441.html

This is exactly why i don’t want to do this.  I like Watson but we have good young talent and trading it all away is not a good thing.

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17 minutes ago, DallasDMac said:

I think it gets worse. I'd hate to lose (most of) these players but understand that is what it would likely take.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/5-players-washington-might-involve-044231441.html

I honestly think that’s a pretty terrible list. It’s all just speculation of course, but who in their right mind would trade for Landon Collins at this point? Curl is the better player than him and Landon has a huge cap number. Unless he is willing to transition to linebacker (which he has refused to do in the past) he’s not even needed next season.

I could definitely see one of the defensive tackles included, and I was speculating earlier it would be Allen since he’s first to come up for an extension. Wouldn’t be a bad move for us as I doubt we can resign all members of this front 4, and Ion Man and Settle should be able to fill in for Allen. We have depth there and I would make that deal for Watson.

I honestly don’t think the Skins have that realistic of a chance of getting Watson, but with the way the front office is now shaping up, I’m feeling less confident in their drafting abilities, so at this point I might be more willing to give up the picks.

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1 hour ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

You’re the first Panthers fan I’ve heard from that’s had any praise for the guy outside of his record with 1st round picks. Most are offering their condolences. His draft record is not good and he handed out some horrific contracts down there. It also appears that the power dynamic has shifted from their time in Carolina. Like Ron said in his initial presser, this team will have a “coach-centric” power structure. And here Ron is the one bringing Hurney in, not the other way around.

Have there been a lot of Panthers fans in here saying bad things about Marty? His firing was pretty quiet in the Panthers thread. Bass did say he had a good draft. pantherclub would have celebrated had he been around, but he has a bizarre unhealthy hate for Marty.  Anyway, Marty did much better his second time around with the Panthers. He learned from his mistakes the first time, although not all of that was his fault as Jerry Richardson was in agreement with him on some of the those big contracts. As I said, Hurney's 2020 draft gave the Panthers two really good rookies and some promising others. 

Ron's first year in Washington hasn't been smooth sailing. He has had to deal with cancer, the name change of the team, Covid, QB problems, and sexual harassment and misconduct allegations against staff before him and the owner, which I bet he never thought he'd be having to deal with again after the Richardson scandal. Having a familiar person with experience that you trust and can get positive and constructive feedback from is much needed I would think, and Marty fits that bill. It doesn't mean Marty will be the main head guy in the War Room on draft day. Let things play out before believing the sky is falling.

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13 minutes ago, simey said:

Have there been a lot of Panthers fans in here saying bad things about Marty? His firing was pretty quiet in the Panthers thread. Bass did say he had a good draft. pantherclub would have celebrated had he been around, but he has a bizarre unhealthy hate for Marty.  Anyway, Marty did much better his second time around with the Panthers. He learned from his mistakes the first time, although not all of that was his fault as Jerry Richardson was in agreement with him on some of the those big contracts. As I said, Hurney's 2020 draft gave the Panthers two really good rookies and some promising others. 

Ron's first year in Washington hasn't been smooth sailing. He has had to deal with cancer, the name change of the team, Covid, QB problems, and sexual harassment and misconduct allegations against staff before him and the owner, which I bet he never thought he'd be having to deal with again after the Richardson scandal. Having a familiar person with experience that you trust and can get positive and constructive feedback from is much needed I would think, and Marty fits that bill. It doesn't mean Marty will be the main head guy in the War Room on draft day. Let things play out before believing the sky is falling.

Don’t know what the Panthers thread on here is saying, just relaying what I’ve heard from other Panther fans online and some that I know in the real world. This is somewhat reassuring though to hear that you think he’s gotten better and learned from some of his past mistakes. As I said earlier, my major beef with this was interfering with the status of the Skins scouting and draft department, as it’s the one part of the franchise that has had success the last few years. If Ron needs to bring in someone as a trusted advisor, I totally get it, but I was hoping that we didn’t rehaul the the front office. With the hiring of Mayhew now in addition to Hurney, this unfortunately appears to be the case. I’ll hope for the best, but as Skins fans we’ve seen things go sideways all too often.

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5 hours ago, PinkydaPimp said:

This is exactly why i don’t want to do this.  I like Watson but we have good young talent and trading it all away is not a good thing.

That article is absurd.  Here is the reasoning:

1.  Since WFT is close, then should try to sign Watson.

2.  To sign Watson, they should trade the very players that make them "close."

I hope to God football people in Washington are not thinking this way.  

It terrifies me to think Dan Snyder MAY think this way.

The only player on that list I would be cool with trading at this point is Collins, due to the emergence of Kameron Kurl.  Ionnitis *maybe" and move Settle up.  But dealing Chase Young, Montez Sweat or Brandon Shref?  That's just stupid thinking right there. I was honestly angry reading that piece.

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On 1/20/2021 at 10:38 PM, Johnny Utah #9 said:

So now the Skins are bringing in Martin Mayhew in addition to Hurney?!? Mayhew is known as the architect of the Detroit Lions dynasty and the guy who drafted Eric Ebron over Aaron Donald. So now we have two former failed GM retreads instead of one. This offseason is going from bad to worse rather quickly. Regarding my earlier comments on Hurney and how it relates to Kyle Smith, I’m guessing that bringing in Mayhew in addition to Hurney is probably unfortunately the nail in the coffin for Smith’s time here. I’m sure he’ll finish out the draft this year considering all of the work that has been done on it so far, but I fully expect him to end up leaving shortly after. He will probably resurface in SF, LA, or GB (where we let three good coaches walk out the door here) and flourish. This is definitely quite the reality check from the elation over a playoff appearance just a few weeks ago. 

I hope for the best, but I can see this situation going off the rails rather quickly.

The only thing I wonder about Mayhew is if this makes us more likely to make a deal for Stafford. He drafted him while he was GM in Detroit. If he is able to bring us Stafford for a reasonable price I’ll be pleasantly surprised, but I doubt this will be the case.

I think Rivera promoted Kyle Smith last year.  I hope hiring Hurney and Mayhew is more to lighted the workload for Rivera.  Rivera is still on top of the org chart.

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Re: Hurney -- my hope is that he was brought in to do things like contracts and whatnot.  Just because GMs are traditionally guys who run the draft, doesn't mean he'll be the main personell guy.  My understanding is that's still Rivera basically Hurney is HIS sounding board and then the guy who will do all the contract crap and stuff like that.  Rivera is coach so he can't do full time GM duties but he can still be the main one pulling the plug on personnel.

Maybe this is just what I hope but obviously I don't know. I'm also bummed over Kyle Smith. 

In general, it kind of bums me out when new guys in charge just bring in all their old people.  Rivera has brought in his old OC, his old GM, his old backup QBs, etc.  I get that it's important to have people you know but it's also good to diversify as well, get some fresh blood and perspectives.  But I do totally get why Rivera would like his known guys. It's his team now.  He had a good first year so I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt until I get burned by that...

 

 

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19 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

I hope Washington stays out of the Watson sweepstakes.  He’s a great QB but realistically how can you build a team that has a legit chance at winning a Super Bowl if you are paying a QB $40 million a year (Watson’s cap hit in 2022 and 2023) and are just an average team as of today?  If Watson was a free agent, I can understand wanting to make a play for him, you can always restructure contracts, but to give up 1st round picks in addition to valuable players and then pay a ton in salary, it would be a big mistake.

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From the “other show dropping” department, it looks like Kyle Smith will be leaving in light of the front office shakeup:

https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/.amp/news/whats-washington-football-team-exit-plan-for-key-exec?__twitter_impression=true

This was inevitable once Ron brought in both Hurney and Mayhew into the front office. Mayhew gets the GM title, Hurney basically in Smith’s old role. It’s being reported that Smith already has interest from the Rams, Niners, Packers, and Raiders. Three winning franchises led by talented young former Skins coaches that know Smith well and his talent for drafting. Meanwhile Hurney and Mayhew had no other reported interest from other teams in this hiring cycle.

I’m hoping for the best, but I still contend the team is going to end up greatly regretting this move. The retreads the Skins brought in have a combined 5 winning seasons out of 23 as front office executives. We’ll see what happens, but I think we’ve taken a step backwards with the moves so far this offseason.

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https://twitter.com/hogshaven/status/1352806747388391427?s=12
 

“Ron Rivera is assembling a brain trust in Mayhew and Hurney for one primary goal this offseason: find a long-term answer at quarterback. Based on multiple things I’ve heard, they are preparing to take a huge swing at the big names that could be available.”

 

“While they may not have the firepower to pull it off, Mayhew and Hurney share one thing in common: both made the right call selecting a franchise quarterback (Stafford and Newton). This is the type of unique experience Ron wanted to add to the FO (which Kyle Smith lacked)”

 

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16 hours ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

From the “other show dropping” department, it looks like Kyle Smith will be leaving in light of the front office shakeup:

https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/.amp/news/whats-washington-football-team-exit-plan-for-key-exec?__twitter_impression=true

This was inevitable once Ron brought in both Hurney and Mayhew into the front office. Mayhew gets the GM title, Hurney basically in Smith’s old role. It’s being reported that Smith already has interest from the Rams, Niners, Packers, and Raiders. Three winning franchises led by talented young former Skins coaches that know Smith well and his talent for drafting. Meanwhile Hurney and Mayhew had no other reported interest from other teams in this hiring cycle.

I’m hoping for the best, but I still contend the team is going to end up greatly regretting this move. The retreads the Skins brought in have a combined 5 winning seasons out of 23 as front office executives. We’ll see what happens, but I think we’ve taken a step backwards with the moves so far this offseason.

That is a bummer.  It looks like the drafts have been very solid that past few years and Smith gets a lot of credit for that.

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I'm usually a "fix the OL and build your team through the draft" type of guy, but that said it would be silly not to at least take a run at Watson.

Keep in mind this is still the same ownership that signed off on the DeAndre Hopkins trade so if they think a relationship with a player in untenable they have proven they are willing to move on without getting full "market value" in return. And with the 2021 NFL salary cap not getting the usual bump of past seasons there will likely be a smaller market for Watson than in a normal year. On top of everything else Watson(due to his no-trade clause) also has some input into where he would eventually end up. That makes the pool even smaller. For instance if I were Watson and comparing the possibility of going to NYJ and WAS I'd much rather go to WAS no matter how many 1st rounders the Jets have available to give up. WAS with Watson and that DL has a chance to run the division for awhile instead of clawing with a young, surging BUF/MIA to make the playoffs every year. It doesn't make any sense to me to force yourself out of HOU because it's being run like a dumpster fire and allow yourself to be traded..... to the JETS!? Yeah, I can see HOU wanting to deal with the Jets because they have a bunch of picks but then Watson is going to a team with no good players and no picks to get any good players in the near future. 

Yeah, SOMEONE will probably be willing to offer way too much for WAS to match to acquire Watson but at this time last season I would have said the exact same thing about Hopkins. Guys like Watson and Hopkins only come available so often. If Snyder ever wanted to change the subject from his off the field problems a splashy trade for Watson would certainly do it. With Watson in a declining division I'm not even sure those future 1st rounders would be all that high anyway.

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30 minutes ago, BoltBacker said:

With Watson in a declining division I'm not even sure those future 1st rounders would be all that high anyway.

That is a great point. With the QB play we had this year (and I'm not putting down Alex, it was a miracle he could walk) we STILL won the division. Adding Watson would make us a playoff team year in and year out with the defense and young talent we've got on this roster. I am fine with giving up multiple firsts to acquire a QB with his character and all pro talents. 

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10 hours ago, PinkydaPimp said:

https://twitter.com/hogshaven/status/1352806747388391427?s=12
 

“Ron Rivera is assembling a brain trust in Mayhew and Hurney for one primary goal this offseason: find a long-term answer at quarterback. Based on multiple things I’ve heard, they are preparing to take a huge swing at the big names that could be available.”

 

“While they may not have the firepower to pull it off, Mayhew and Hurney share one thing in common: both made the right call selecting a franchise quarterback (Stafford and Newton). This is the type of unique experience Ron wanted to add to the FO (which Kyle Smith lacked)”

 

This is not a surprise and I was thinking that these front office hires could be foreshadowing a big move for a QB. There is chatter that Ron and Smith didn't see eye to eye on some matters. Ron is even quoted in one of these pressers as needing to be "on the same page" when asked about his working relationship with Kyle. Reading between the lines here, it seems that Kyle and Ron might have had different thoughts on team building going forward. Kyle, given his job, would obviously favor building through the draft and keeping draft picks. Ron might have been more in willing to give up draft capital to improve the QB position. This is a tweet from Rivera's post season presser: "Ron Rivera says QB is "one of the most important things that we need to get done and get established" going forward." https://twitter.com/kylefstackpole/status/1348317571712430088

Once the team hired Mayhew my first thought was that they are going to attempt to trade for Stafford. Mayhew drafted him after all, and might still have the Detroit connections to possibly get an inside track on a deal. Watson is a much bigger and expensive fish obviously, but I wouldn't rule that out either. I just think ultimately they won't have the trade package to get it done, as a team like Miami could easily beat WFT's best offer. 

As for that second quote about Hurney making "the right call selecting a franchise QB", that's a bit laughable as any team in the league needing a QB would have taken Cam in that draft. It's like giving Kyle Smith, Ron, etc. a ton of credit for drafting Chase Young. It's a great pick but a total no brainer move.

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Lions actively looking to trade Stafford per Shefty:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30766102/detroit-lions-actively-seek-trade-qb-matthew-stafford-sources-say
 

Like I said a few hours ago, I fully expect the Skins to aggressively pursue him given that they just hired the man that drafted him as their GM. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was brought in specifically with this purpose in mind and this was part of the pitch in the interviews. I’m betting he ends up under center for the WFT next season (and the Skins will probably overpay in compensation to acquire him). 

Stafford will clearly want to go to a team where he has a chance to win. Just looking at the lay of the land at QB, it would appear that the Colts would be our main competition for his services. Gentlemen, start your engines. The offseason is about to be kicked into high gear.

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The more I think about this, the more I think the Skins are the heavy favorites to land Stafford. I think ultimately this sweepstakes will come down to WFT and the Colts. I'd bet that WFT will ultimately get it done because they will be willing to overpay like they always do. Add in the fact that they just hired Mayhew as they their GM, and it was almost a given they were going to make a run at Stafford. With Mayhew and Rivera on the same page, you know they won't need to convince Danny Boy, who is always chasing shiny objects and wanting to make splashy moves. The only question is how much can Detroit shake down from the Skins. I'm assuming the #19 this year is probably already on the table.  Probably an additional 2nd and/or 3rd will be in the package as well. The fact that QBs have been having such success in their late 30s recently enhances his market value and I think will result in him getting Detroit a nice haul.

All this being said, I would definitely be in favor of trading for Stafford, as some of us were floating this idea for months now. He’s been my preferred choice at QB this whole time. I’m just sure I’ll be disappointed when I see how much we overpay to acquire him.

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5 hours ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

The more I think about this, the more I think the Skins are the heavy favorites to land Stafford. I think ultimately this sweepstakes will come down to WFT and the Colts. I'd bet that WFT will ultimately get it done because they will be willing to overpay like they always do. Add in the fact that they just hired Mayhew as they their GM, and it was almost a given they were going to make a run at Stafford. With Mayhew and Rivera on the same page, you know they won't need to convince Danny Boy, who is always chasing shiny objects and wanting to make splashy moves. The only question is how much can Detroit shake down from the Skins. I'm assuming the #19 this year is probably already on the table.  Probably an additional 2nd and/or 3rd will be in the package as well. The fact that QBs have been having such success in their late 30s recently enhances his market value and I think will result in him getting Detroit a nice haul.

All this being said, I would definitely be in favor of trading for Stafford, as some of us were floating this idea for months now. He’s been my preferred choice at QB this whole time. I’m just sure I’ll be disappointed when I see how much we overpay to acquire him.

Yup.  If we can get him without trading away our foundation and a significant portion of our future then cool.  Otherwise continue to build.  We ain’t 1 qb away yet.  

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9 hours ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

The more I think about this, the more I think the Skins are the heavy favorites to land Stafford. I think ultimately this sweepstakes will come down to WFT and the Colts. I'd bet that WFT will ultimately get it done because they will be willing to overpay like they always do. Add in the fact that they just hired Mayhew as they their GM, and it was almost a given they were going to make a run at Stafford. With Mayhew and Rivera on the same page, you know they won't need to convince Danny Boy, who is always chasing shiny objects and wanting to make splashy moves. The only question is how much can Detroit shake down from the Skins. I'm assuming the #19 this year is probably already on the table.  Probably an additional 2nd and/or 3rd will be in the package as well. The fact that QBs have been having such success in their late 30s recently enhances his market value and I think will result in him getting Detroit a nice haul.

All this being said, I would definitely be in favor of trading for Stafford, as some of us were floating this idea for months now. He’s been my preferred choice at QB this whole time. I’m just sure I’ll be disappointed when I see how much we overpay to acquire him.

I agree 100%.  He's very good IMO.  You get a reasonable 2 year contract.  You can give DET the 1st rounder and DeRon Payne since Ioniddis and Settle can easily fill that spot.  Gets you out of a future issue with re-signing DTs.  And you have a lot of $s to sign free agents, do a new contract for Jonathan Allen,  re-sign Scherff (don't love him, but think he's better than finding a FA RG). and build with your other picks in the draft.  Easy to eat the dead cap for Alex Smith.  And if Stafford plays well this year, they can lock him up for an extension next offseason.  You simply can't go into a season with K. Allen and Heinicke and expect to be much more than an 8-8 team.

Only issue to me is with Stafford's $41M for 2 year contract, lots of teams are gonna be trying to get him.

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2 hours ago, Brunell4MVP said:

I agree 100%.  He's very good IMO.  You get a reasonable 2 year contract.  You can give DET the 1st rounder and DeRon Payne since Ioniddis and Settle can easily fill that spot.  Gets you out of a future issue with re-signing DTs.  And you have a lot of $s to sign free agents, do a new contract for Jonathan Allen,  re-sign Scherff (don't love him, but think he's better than finding a FA RG). and build with your other picks in the draft.  Easy to eat the dead cap for Alex Smith.  And if Stafford plays well this year, they can lock him up for an extension next offseason.  You simply can't go into a season with K. Allen and Heinicke and expect to be much more than an 8-8 team.

Only issue to me is with Stafford's $41M for 2 year contract, lots of teams are gonna be trying to get him.

I agree that given his reasonable contract, and so many teams always think they are close to making a deep playoff run (which in fairness is often the case in this league), there will be a lot of demand for him. I would gladly give up the #19 and a 3rd for him (we have an extra one due to the Trent trade), but I don't know if that would be enough to get it done. Might require additional picks, either of the later variety (4th and/or 5th) or earlier rounds. It really wouldn't take much to get a bidding war started, and you know this team historically tends to do stupid things in those situations under Snyder.

Your idea of moving Payne is interesting. I agree that it will be tough to retain all four of these linemen and we have depth there to fill a spot. Earlier I was proposing dealing Allen in a package in the unlikely option of a Watson trade. I personally like Payne's upside more than Allen, and given that he's under team control for longer, I would rather deal Allen than Payne. That being said though, in a trade for Stafford I don't know if I would be willing to give up either. We will have a smaller window with him to win now and I would take my chances with keeping the defense intact for at least this limited run. I would rather give up the additional picks in this case. 

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6 hours ago, Marvelous said:

I saw an article on Bleacher report.  It speculated the Redskins could get Stafford for this year's 1st round pick and next year's 2nd round pick.

I don’t love it, as I would rather give up a 3rd this year (since we have multiple) instead of a 2nd next year, but I could live with this deal. With Stafford on the team and some expected upgrades at WR next year, a 10 win season should be within reach (assuming health of course). That would place that 2nd rounder in the 20s and a lot closer to the bottom of the 2nd round.

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20 minutes ago, Ostro said:

Ok, I don't know if the Guise thread was deleted or what happened. But, it looks like the charges were dropped against Guice.

https://wtop.com/washington-football/2021/01/felony-charge-dropped-against-ex-nfl-player-derrius-guice/

Well, or they just chose not to prosecute for whatever reason. He still has the 4 misdemeanor charges. Good for him, I guess?  I still think Ron made the right call here. Set the tone early that the era of knuckleheads is over. We’ll see if any other teams kick the tires on him. He’s always injured and RBs are a dime a dozen in this league. I always thought the hype on him was a bit out of control. 

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I haven’t seen it talked about here, but did anyone else see the Alex Smith 60 minutes interview a few weeks back? It’s available online. Nothing groundbreaking if you saw the E60 piece and we all know the story. But it was interesting in the fact that he doesn’t exactly sound like he’s thinking of retirement. This is a quote from the piece:

“This year has only emboldened for me that I can play at this level”

I think most of us here were hoping he would do the sensible thing and retire, as he’s got nothing left to prove at this point. He clearly can’t be depended on to play a 16 game season, and the Skins clearly need an upgrade at QB regardless (not to mention his cap hit is too high for such diminished play). What he has accomplished is amazing but this team needs to go in a different direction at this point. He might not be making it easy for Ron here, but Ron has to do the sensible thing and cut him if he refuses to retire.

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7 minutes ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

I haven’t seen it talked about here, but did anyone else see the Alex Smith 60 minutes interview a few weeks back? It’s available online. Nothing groundbreaking if you saw the E60 piece and we all know the story. But it was interesting in the fact that he doesn’t exactly sound like he’s thinking of retirement. This is a quote from the piece:

“This year has only emboldened for me that I can play at this level”

I think most of us here were hoping he would do the sensible thing and retire, as he’s got nothing left to prove at this point. He clearly can’t be depended on to play a 16 game season, and the Skins clearly need an upgrade at QB regardless (not to mention his cap hit is too high for such diminished play). What he has accomplished is amazing but this team needs to go in a different direction at this point. He might not be making it easy for Ron here, but Ron has to do the sensible thing and cut him if he refuses to retire.

Yeah, assuming they can bring in a legit starting QB, he'll be cut. Can't pay him $20m+ to be a backup. And I just don't see him getting a starting gig elsewhere. I wonder if he's willing to sign for much less and be a backup somewhere.

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6 hours ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

I haven’t seen it talked about here, but did anyone else see the Alex Smith 60 minutes interview a few weeks back? It’s available online. Nothing groundbreaking if you saw the E60 piece and we all know the story. But it was interesting in the fact that he doesn’t exactly sound like he’s thinking of retirement. This is a quote from the piece:

“This year has only emboldened for me that I can play at this level”

I think most of us here were hoping he would do the sensible thing and retire, as he’s got nothing left to prove at this point. He clearly can’t be depended on to play a 16 game season, and the Skins clearly need an upgrade at QB regardless (not to mention his cap hit is too high for such diminished play). What he has accomplished is amazing but this team needs to go in a different direction at this point. He might not be making it easy for Ron here, but Ron has to do the sensible thing and cut him if he refuses to retire.

He wasn't that good when he played his best.  6 TDs and 8 INTs.  QBR of 34.8.   The teams he beat were CIN, DAL, SF,  plus a PHI that was trying to lose and a PIT team off like 4 days rest on it's way to sucking.

He may play.  But WAS is not the right spot for that to happen.  He's as good as cut.

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2 hours ago, Brunell4MVP said:

He wasn't that good when he played his best.  6 TDs and 8 INTs.  QBR of 34.8.   The teams he beat were CIN, DAL, SF,  plus a PHI that was trying to lose and a PIT team off like 4 days rest on it's way to sucking.

He may play.  But WAS is not the right spot for that to happen.  He's as good as cut.

I hear you and totally agree. I just hope Ron follows through and pulls the trigger if needed. One knock on Rivera I’ve heard from Panthers fans is he can sometimes be loyal to a fault. Kind of makes sense when you look at how many Panthers he brought over with him. The Davis signing was a mistake for example. But I think Ron will end up doing the right thing here and cut Smith if he doesn’t retire.

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