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I agree Hunt is a buy so you can hopefully sell the news of his pending free agency, but you are already offering a premium pick. Not sure you will be able to turn a profit.
Hunt will only decrease in value from here on out. Even if he goes somewhere in FA, he's either going to a committee or being "the guy" for 2 months and the draft torpedo's all value. There is no upside. Nobody is going to pay him as a dominant workload type of player. Those days have set sail. I would have gladly taken your 1st for those 2.
Wow, we really disagree then. That would make us perfect trading partners! Would you throw in Higbee?Zyphros said:
He's an proven player that has played at an elite level. I think he's better than Chubb. He could push Chubb off the field. Unlikely but possible. He's more versatile and he's going to be "the" free agent RB to sign next year. I think you're right he's someone you want to try an acquire right now before his value spikes.rockaction said:
Thanks. I agree with this. I was already offering a premium for him. There's really no there there unless we hit mid-year and he's trying to win now and I have guys that are win-now mode.Biabreakable said:
I have Mixon in my highest stakes league and am relatively excited about his upside on the new Bengals offense but I'm not sure "undervalued" is the word I would use here.Bucsfan5493 said:
No, I wouldn't be able to. I don't even think a mid-to-late first would get him with the owner. That's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Maybe I need to inquire about where in the middle we can meet or something, but he's not on the block, already rejected a generous offer, and I don't want to badger some dude who doesn't necessarily live or die by his dynasty team in the off-summer. I'm really conscious of personal punctilio when it comes to these things, and you win more flies with smart approaches and honey than bold moves and vinegar.
Yeah I can see that. I make the same mistake too sometimes. You should never ask for a player directly that you think is undervalued.
Interesting. I'll file that one away in the memory bank. To be fair to this guy, his best back is Aaron Jones and then a loud murmur from a generally disappointed crowd is his next.
I'm never taking that deal, but I'm sold -- like you are -- on Sutton and Hunt. No way that even approaches my radar to hit accept for that.
The only time I do is when I'm super confident the player I'm after is going to pop and then I blow them away.
Yeah but remember Hunt's nothing to most and Jeudy scares Sutton owners.
I see. That certainly was a winner. That's a good strategy, but I don't want to give the other guy pause, as your incidental throw-in theory tacitly acknowledges. But Hill was a rare one. As soon as I saw him play a game, I knew too. I had him immediately on all my redrafts the year he began to pop. Almost won a title with him.
I didn't say Fournette was a bust, I explicitly used TRich as the bust and said Fournette arch. Now that I re-read it I didn't do a very good job of differentiating them. Fournette had a decent rookie year and a nice fantasy return last year, but he's clearly not the special talent most hyped him to be and people are already talking about him in a declining fashion - certainly his FF trade value is tanked. Something I did not know is that he finished his HS as a full-on 19 year old which goes a long way toward why he was so dominant in HS.menobrown said:
In truth, when I read that, I was gonna say something but your point about T. Rich and Fournette was clear enough to anyone who knows to grant benefit of the doubt instead of what would have been nitpicking on my end. But I had to read it a couple of times, because Fournette's been nothing like T Rich. It's just your point about a sure thing was also the central point and both Richardson and Fournette fall into unsure things at best or busts.
Yeah I bled them together way more in words than I did in my mind hehe. All good, part of the challenge of written communication. Should have said "the bust that TRich turned out to be or the arch Fournette's career is on".
Of course I think Mixon has a better floor than any of the rookie RBs right now, but I wouldn't call him known, proven, nor safe.
I would. I do think he is a very good talent, but RB's, especially one's that haven't "done it" in a year or 2, don't really get second chances for a feature workload. I can't think of a single RB other than Ingram who got his second chance and got close to a feature workload. I think that's very best case scenario for Hunt. David Johnson has his chance now, but it appears to be a tough ask for him to return to form. Same with Gurley. And Hunt isn't on that talent level of those guys IMO.Wow, we really disagree then. That would make us perfect trading partners! Would you throw in Higbee?
At the time of their move I would say the exact opposite. I think Hunt is much more appealing than any of those guys on the field. Ingram was old, DJ and Gurley were beaten down and coming off horrifically unproductive years (multiple years in the case of DJ).
But Hunt never lost his job because of talent or injury. He was cemented in KC. Hunt lost his job -- and likely cost his team the Super Bowl that year -- because he kicked a woman. He was cut and suspended. It took him a while to get back in the league. I think you're comparing apples and oranges here.
I'm just trying to think of examples of RB's changing teams after a few years and becoming feature guys. It's yet to be seen with DJ or Gurley, we kind of saw it with Ingram (and Bell, now that I think some more) even at a later age. It does give me some hope since like you both mentioned his issues aren't injury/age related. I'll take the under though, sounds like both of you take the over. RB shelf life closes sooooo fast, that I constantly undervalue it, trying not to though. I do think Hunt holds more trade value than those guys, I just don't believe he'll maintain it even if he signs as a lead guy.
I think I agree with this, it's just that Hunt is 24 or barely 25. He's going to hit free agency in his prime. One more guy that switched in the modern era of things: Marshawn Lynch wasn't the Marshawn Lynch we know until he hit Seattle. Before that, he had sort of toiled away in Buffalo. Took a trade to free him up. He was also around 25 or so with disciplinary problems -- not like Hunt's, but not great either.
Faulk, Lynch, McCoy, Drake, Bell, Miller off the top of my head. I'm sure there are a lot more. As pointed out though Hunt is a bit of an outlier anyway since his switching teams has nothing to do with his on the field play.
Well done. I can think of more examples but the point was made. RB skills are pretty sticky regardless of the system. The more important question is does the player’s skills appear to be diminishing.
Demarco Murray is another one. Thomas Jones and Faulk little further back. Corey Dillon.
When did any of those names gain value though that's my point. Hunt might be worth a late 1st now but will he actually gain value? I doubt it. Lynch didn't til a year later and he plays very differently, not just from Hunt but anyone. Wasn't into fantasy at the time so can't really comment on Faulk, McCoy sustained going to Buffalo, Drake sustained but a year late (now) is probably the test year (late 1st about? Don't see that going up at all), Bell declined (age/useage whatever you want to call it), Miller was on everyone's "hate" list and never more than that late 1st value as well. And they all got replaced relatively quickly other than on rookie deals. That's how these RB's decline so quick.
Thanks for the insight.
I appreciate the response. I value Qbs very low in start 1 QB which is why I may have wanted to take the deal.
Ask for someone other than Renfrow and I think it’s a more fair deal. Who are his other WRs?
Boone22 is right, as are the others. Renfrow would have to be a volume/slot guy, and there's too much competition for targets now to make him really viable. Slayton I really like, but that's also a tough situation. Dak is going to be at the helm of an offense that not only is going to score a ton, but given their defensive losses, might be on the field a ton. That might be something to think about. Dak's going to be in track meets.
Good discussion, but I disagree with a lot here.
His other WRs are: KA, Fountain, Desean Jackson, Renfrow, Jakobi Meyers, Slayton, Woods.
I can start up to 3, but in that league this year will be mostly 1.
This was my take but it’s nice to get a 2nd opinion. I am team A. Team B keeps throwing offers my way. He seems to believe Murray worth a lot more than I think he’s worth. The drop-off from Hopkins to Diggs just ain’t worth it.
He's the only one of those guys who looks like he might have long-term starter talent.
It’s pretty close for me if this is super flex. But you didn’t say that it is, so have to assume 1QB
