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8 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Yeah, I just tried.

What would a price check on Tony Pollard be, then?

A mid first-rounder for he and Hunt was a pretty significant offer.  Calcs have me losing by a lot in that deal, but I'd still take it.

Hunt is super undervalued. 

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That is interesting. As a Gordon owner here and there, I think I'd have jumped on that offer in any league I have him, without even looking at my own roster or that of the owner sending me the pick.

Wow I think people really need to go back and look at the last 10 years of 1st/2nd round NFL WR picks.  These guys hit at what, a 20% rate?  15%?  It's a miserable number.  I'd be pretty surprised if

Just now, Milkman said:

Hunt is super undervalued. 

What's your value, then?

That he is undervalued is sort of what I'm saying by both word and deed.

I don't think he's undervalued in redraft, but he's a free agent after the year. Somebody will sign him. If Ke'Shawn doesn't work out in Tampa, I could see him there easily. Hunt does it all in the backfield. 

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38 minutes ago, rockaction said:

What's your value, then?

That he is undervalued is sort of what I'm saying by both word and deed.

I don't think he's undervalued in redraft, but he's a free agent after the year. Somebody will sign him. If Ke'Shawn doesn't work out in Tampa, I could see him there easily. Hunt does it all in the backfield. 

I agree Hunt is a buy so you can hopefully sell the news of his pending free agency, but you are already offering a premium pick. Not sure you will be able to turn a profit.

You may be better off trying to get Pollard for something else.

I would try to ask him what players you have that he would be willing to trade Pollard for and go from there.

I dont think him not mentioning Pollard means anything.

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

Tried to get Kareem Hunt and Tony Pollard for a mid first-round pick in 2021. Guy needed to hold Hunt.

It doesn't fit the calculators, but I really don't blame him. If you've held Hunt for this long, he's just about at free agency this next year, so why not see where he goes. IMO, Hunt's value can only increase as time moves along. Get him now. 

eta* I should say I tried to get Higbee, too, but it was an initial offer and no counter-offer was sent in regard to anyone. He's jus' holding. 

Hunt will only decrease in value from here on out.  Even if he goes somewhere in FA, he's either going to a committee or being "the guy" for 2 months and the draft torpedo's all value.  There is no upside.  Nobody is going to pay him as a dominant workload type of player.  Those days have set sail.  I would have gladly taken your 1st for those 2.  

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14 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Hunt will only decrease in value from here on out.  Even if he goes somewhere in FA, he's either going to a committee or being "the guy" for 2 months and the draft torpedo's all value.  There is no upside.  Nobody is going to pay him as a dominant workload type of player.  Those days have set sail.  I would have gladly taken your 1st for those 2.  

Wow, we really disagree then. That would make us perfect trading partners! Would you throw in Higbee? ;)

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

What's your value, then?

That he is undervalued is sort of what I'm saying by both word and deed.

I don't think he's undervalued in redraft, but he's a free agent after the year. Somebody will sign him. If Ke'Shawn doesn't work out in Tampa, I could see him there easily. Hunt does it all in the backfield. 

He's an proven player that has played at an elite level. I think he's better than Chubb. He could push Chubb off the field. Unlikely but possible. He's more versatile and he's going to be "the" free agent RB to sign next year. I think you're right he's someone you want to try an acquire right now before his value spikes. 

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34 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

I agree Hunt is a buy so you can hopefully sell the news of his pending free agency, but you are already offering a premium pick. Not sure you will be able to turn a profit.

You may be better off trying to get Pollard for something else.

I would try to ask him what players you have that he would be willing to trade Pollard for and go from there.

I dont think him not mentioning Pollard means anything.

Thanks. I agree with this. I was already offering a premium for him. There's really no there there unless we hit mid-year and he's trying to win now and I have guys that are win-now mode. 

Yeah, I sort of figured that asking about Pollard alone was the next step. But I immediately know on my roster who fits perfectly and I really don't want to part with either of those two just yet.

I agree it means nothing. I asked with a tone in my head that was joking. I couldn't really believe that he'd picked up two Cowboys running backs at auction and didn't have the guy to cuff them to, that's all. 

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3 hours ago, Bucsfan5493 said:

Thoughts on Joe Mixon’s value? I feel that he’s pretty undervalued after a bit of an underwhelming season last year. That being said, I love his talent and workload, I think the Bengals offense will be much improved and score more with Burrow under center and their OL should be better than last year’s disaster after a couple of FA signings (would be even better if they sign Warford) + Jonah Williams being healthy this season.

I recently traded for 1.01 because I got an offer that was too good to pass up but is flipping that too much for Mixon? My team is ready to win now and while I have strong RB’s (Saquon, Chubb), my depth is very poor and Mixon could start for me in the FLEX over Robert Woods, as well as give me insurance in case Saquon or Chubb gets hurt.

I have Mixon in my highest stakes league and am relatively excited about his upside on the new Bengals offense but I'm not sure "undervalued" is the word I would use here.

His startup ADP is 1.09 as RB6 despite his career best finish being RB10 aka a low RB1.

He had a down year last year, is a year older, is on the last year of his contract, and his threatening holdout yet his startup ADP has actually risen from 1.12 last year to 1.09 this year.

Again, I am a fan of the upside, but I don't think I would say undervalued.  He's being valued on the cusp of the elite RB tier despite having yet to ever actually finish close to there.

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The thing about Hunt is he's a sneaky RB2. Cleveland used him as their 3rd down back a lot last year and he delivered. He's a high end RB3 with elite RB1 in his range when he signs with another team or Chubb gets hurt. I'd give a late 1st for him now, that's what I think he's worth now, but he's not valued like that......heck he's an afterthought right now, you might be able to get him as a throw in. 

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12 minutes ago, Milkman said:

The thing about Hunt is he's a sneaky RB2. Cleveland used him as their 3rd down back a lot last year and he delivered. He's a high end RB3 with elite RB1 in his range when he signs with another team or Chubb gets hurt. I'd give a late 1st for him now, that's what I think he's worth now, but he's not valued like that......heck he's an afterthought right now, you might be able to get him as a throw in. 

No, I wouldn't be able to. I don't even think a mid-to-late first would get him with the owner. That's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Maybe I need to inquire about where in the middle we can meet or something, but he's not on the block, already rejected a generous offer, and I don't want to badger some dude who doesn't necessarily live or die by his dynasty team in the off-summer. I'm really conscious of personal punctilio when it comes to these things, and you win more flies with smart approaches and honey than bold moves and vinegar. 

But back to valuation: I agree with your assessment. I'm looking at the guys that went at the end of the first this time and last time, and I can't see anybody I like more than Hunt. So there lies his value, at least to you and me. 

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

No, I wouldn't be able to. I don't even think a mid-to-late first would get him with the owner. That's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Maybe I need to inquire about where in the middle we can meet or something, but he's not on the block, already rejected a generous offer, and I don't want to badger some dude who doesn't necessarily live or die by his dynasty team in the off-summer. I'm really conscious of personal punctilio when it comes to these things, and you win more flies with smart approaches and honey than bold moves and vinegar. 

But back to valuation: I agree with your assessment. I'm looking at the guys that went at the end of the first this time and last time, and I can't see anybody I like more than Hunt. So there lies his value, at least to you and me. 

Yeah I can see that. I make the same mistake too sometimes. You should never ask for a player directly that you think is undervalued. 

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Just now, Milkman said:

Yeah I can see that. I make the same mistake too sometimes. You should never ask for a player directly that you think is undervalued

Interesting. I'll file that one away in the memory bank. To be fair to this guy, his best back is Aaron Jones and then a loud murmur from a generally disappointed crowd is his next. 

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3 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Something like LeVeon Bell + 2020 1st + 2021 1st for Sutton + Hunt. 

I'm never taking that deal, but I'm sold -- like you are -- on Sutton and Hunt. No way that even approaches my radar to hit accept for that. 

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

Interesting. I'll file that one away in the memory bank. To be fair to this guy, his best back is Aaron Jones and then a loud murmur from a generally disappointed crowd is his next. 

The only time I do is when I'm super confident the player I'm after is going to pop and then I blow them away. 

For instance. I offered my Corey Coleman + 2nd for Tyreek Hill + a 3rd a couple years ago. Before Hill popped. I knew he was going to pop. 

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5 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I'm never taking that deal, but I'm sold -- like you are -- on Sutton and Hunt. No way that even approaches my radar to hit accept for that. 

Yeah but remember Hunt's nothing to most and Jeudy scares Sutton owners. 

 

Jeudy is the shiny new toy.......

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1 minute ago, Milkman said:

The only time I do is when I'm super confident the player I'm after is going to pop and then I blow them away. 

For instance. I offered my Corey Coleman + 2nd for Tyreek Hill + a 3rd a couple years ago. Before Hill popped. I knew he was going to pop

I see. That certainly was a winner. That's a good strategy, but I don't want to give the other guy pause, as your incidental throw-in theory tacitly acknowledges. But Hill was a rare one. As soon as I saw him play a game, I knew too. I had him immediately on all my redrafts the year he began to pop. Almost won a title with him. 

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2 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Yeah but remember Hunt's nothing to most and Jeudy scares Sutton owners. 

Jeudy is the shiny new toy.......

Jeudy looks like a splay-legged foal out there. Sutton's a horse already.

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Just now, rockaction said:

I see. That certainly was a winner. That's a good strategy, but I don't want to give the other guy pause, as your incidental throw-in theory tacitly acknowledges. But Hill was a rare one. As soon as I saw him play a game, I knew too. I had him immediately on all my redrafts the year he began to pop. Almost won a title with him. 

Yeah it's an art I have not mastered lol. 

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10 hours ago, menobrown said:

 

I actually think Fournette has had a better fantasy career then Mixon so far so I can't call Fournette a bust and say Mixon is not. I would personally label both of them as disappointing so far, but for me Mixon has been more so.

That's not the same thing as saying Fournette does not stand a much higher chance of spiraling down and becoming a bust more then Mixon. That's something else entirely, of course I like Mixon's future more.  But that, like pick  how pick 1.1 will perform, is a projection.

I'm not sure what I'd do if offered 1.1 for Mixon because my point here is not to defend Fournette but to say Mixon was one of the biggest busts of the year last year, is giving his owners an underwhelming 13.95 fantasy points in his career with one low end RB1 performance on his resume.  Him being a stud or elite fantasy prospect, like whoever you draft at 1.1, remains a projection.  Again I would not call Mixon a bust, but he's not performed like a stud either for fantasy purposes.

 

I didn't say Fournette was a bust, I explicitly used TRich as the bust and said Fournette arch.  Now that I re-read it I didn't do a very good job of differentiating them.  Fournette had a decent rookie year and a nice fantasy return last year, but he's clearly not the special talent most hyped him to be and people are already talking about him in a declining fashion - certainly his FF trade value is tanked.  Something I did not know is that he finished his HS as a full-on 19 year old which goes a long way toward why he was so dominant in HS.

Mixon is, at minimum, a steady-eddie right now with ascending arch with the potential improvements in CIN.  And when I watch him vs. watching Fournette I see an entirely different player.  Far more electric, far better lateral skills, and better natural receiving skills.  I think he's a much better fit for what an RB needs to be in today's NFL.  A low-end RB1 performance isn't at all underwhelming to me, and my point was if that's the know, proven floor I get while still having a 24 year old RB in an ascending situation vs. the total toss-up any rookie RB is, I'm keeping that.

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12 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

I didn't say Fournette was a bust, I explicitly used TRich as the bust and said Fournette arch.

In truth, when I read that, I was gonna say something but your point about T. Rich and Fournette was clear enough to anyone who knows to grant benefit of the doubt instead of what would have been nitpicking on my end. But I had to read it a couple of times, because Fournette's been nothing like T Rich. It's just your point about a sure thing was also the central point and both Richardson and Fournette fall into unsure things at best or busts. 

So your point really stands.

Just if you were wondering.

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9 minutes ago, rockaction said:

In truth, when I read that, I was gonna say something but your point about T. Rich and Fournette was clear enough to anyone who knows to grant benefit of the doubt instead of what would have been nitpicking on my end. But I had to read it a couple of times, because Fournette's been nothing like T Rich. It's just your point about a sure thing was also the central point and both Richardson and Fournette fall into unsure things at best or busts. 

So your point really stands.

Just if you were wondering.

Yeah I bled them together way more in words than I did in my mind hehe.  All good, part of the challenge of written communication.  Should have said "the bust that TRich turned out to be or the arch Fournette's career is on".

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1 hour ago, Hankmoody said:

I didn't say Fournette was a bust, I explicitly used TRich as the bust and said Fournette arch.  Now that I re-read it I didn't do a very good job of differentiating them.  Fournette had a decent rookie year and a nice fantasy return last year, but he's clearly not the special talent most hyped him to be and people are already talking about him in a declining fashion - certainly his FF trade value is tanked.  Something I did not know is that he finished his HS as a full-on 19 year old which goes a long way toward why he was so dominant in HS.

Mixon is, at minimum, a steady-eddie right now with ascending arch with the potential improvements in CIN.  And when I watch him vs. watching Fournette I see an entirely different player.  Far more electric, far better lateral skills, and better natural receiving skills.  I think he's a much better fit for what an RB needs to be in today's NFL.  A low-end RB1 performance isn't at all underwhelming to me, and my point was if that's the know, proven floor I get while still having a 24 year old RB in an ascending situation vs. the total toss-up any rookie RB is, I'm keeping that.

Of course I think Mixon has a better floor than any of the rookie RBs right now, but I wouldn't call him known, proven, nor safe.

He has not been the receiver we were all anticipating in the NFL, he has ceded more work to Bernard than any of us thought he would, and he has been completely replaceable in the games he's missed.  It's not like the Giants without Barkley or the Panthers without CMC.  When Mixon has missed time the Bengals have plugged in Gio and not missed a beat.

Again I like him for this year, and it's definitely more likely that he is still a solid starter 2 years from now than the rookies, but it is far from the given you are making it out to be.  We've seen quite a few guys recently disappoint and lose massive value in their mid 20's who had done a lot more than Mixon has at this point. 

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10 hours ago, rockaction said:

Wow, we really disagree then. That would make us perfect trading partners! Would you throw in Higbee? ;)

I would.  I do think he is a very good talent, but RB's, especially one's that haven't "done it" in a year or 2, don't really get second chances for a feature workload.  I can't think of a single RB other than Ingram who got his second chance and got close to a feature workload.  I think that's very best case scenario for Hunt.  David Johnson has his chance now, but it appears to be a tough ask for him to return to form.  Same with Gurley.  And Hunt isn't on that talent level of those guys IMO.  

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4 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

I would.  I do think he is a very good talent, but RB's, especially one's that haven't "done it" in a year or 2, don't really get second chances for a feature workload.  I can't think of a single RB other than Ingram who got his second chance and got close to a feature workload.  I think that's very best case scenario for Hunt.  David Johnson has his chance now, but it appears to be a tough ask for him to return to form.  Same with Gurley.  And Hunt isn't on that talent level of those guys IMO.  

At the time of their move I would say the exact opposite.  I think Hunt is much more appealing than any of those guys on the field.  Ingram was old, DJ and Gurley were beaten down and coming off horrifically unproductive years (multiple years in the case of DJ).

I think Hunt right now is much better than any of those guys were in the years they moved teams.  Hunt has never been anything less than stellar on the field.  His only issue is entirely elsewhere.

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3 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

I would.  I do think he is a very good talent, but RB's, especially one's that haven't "done it" in a year or 2, don't really get second chances for a feature workload.  I can't think of a single RB other than Ingram who got his second chance and got close to a feature workload.  I think that's very best case scenario for Hunt.  David Johnson has his chance now, but it appears to be a tough ask for him to return to form.  Same with Gurley.  And Hunt isn't on that talent level of those guys IMO.  

But Hunt never lost his job because of talent or injury. He was cemented in KC. Hunt lost his job -- and likely cost his team the Super Bowl that year -- because he kicked a woman. He was cut and suspended. It took him a while to get back in the league. I think you're comparing apples and oranges here.

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I think the KC offense, not necessarily Hunt himself, gave the impression that Hunt was a little better than he actually is.  He’s a very solid RB, no doubt, and well rounded which is a plus in today’s passing NFL.  I’m just not entirely convinced that he’s even close to a sure fire bet to get another crack at unquestioned lead back.  Especially when you add in the reason for his downfall.  He’s a decent gamble, but a gamble nonetheless.

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2 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

At the time of their move I would say the exact opposite.  I think Hunt is much more appealing than any of those guys on the field.  Ingram was old, DJ and Gurley were beaten down and coming off horrifically unproductive years (multiple years in the case of DJ).

I think Hunt right now is much better than any of those guys were in the years they moved teams.  Hunt has never been anything less than stellar on the field.  His only issue is entirely elsewhere.

 

3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

But Hunt never lost his job because of talent or injury. He was cemented in KC. Hunt lost his job -- and likely cost his team the Super Bowl that year -- because he kicked a woman. He was cut and suspended. It took him a while to get back in the league. I think you're comparing apples and oranges here.

I'm just trying to think of examples of RB's changing teams after a few years and becoming feature guys.  It's yet to be seen with DJ or Gurley, we kind of saw it with Ingram (and Bell, now that I think some more) even at a later age.  It does give me some hope since like you both mentioned his issues aren't injury/age related.  I'll take the under though, sounds like both of you take the over.  RB shelf life closes sooooo fast, that I constantly undervalue it, trying not to though.  I do think Hunt holds more trade value than those guys, I just don't believe he'll maintain it even if he signs as a lead guy.  

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1 minute ago, Zyphros said:

RB shelf life closes sooooo fast, that I constantly undervalue it, trying not to though.

I think I agree with this, it's just that Hunt is 24 or barely 25. He's going to hit free agency in his prime. One more guy that switched in the modern era of things: Marshawn Lynch wasn't the Marshawn Lynch we know until he hit Seattle. Before that, he had sort of toiled away in Buffalo. Took a trade to free him up. He was also around 25 or so with disciplinary problems -- not like Hunt's, but not great either. 

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37 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

I'm just trying to think of examples of RB's changing teams after a few years and becoming feature guys.  It's yet to be seen with DJ or Gurley, we kind of saw it with Ingram (and Bell, now that I think some more) even at a later age.  It does give me some hope since like you both mentioned his issues aren't injury/age related.  I'll take the under though, sounds like both of you take the over.  RB shelf life closes sooooo fast, that I constantly undervalue it, trying not to though.  I do think Hunt holds more trade value than those guys, I just don't believe he'll maintain it even if he signs as a lead guy.  

Faulk, Lynch, McCoy, Drake, Bell, Miller off the top of my head.  I'm sure there are a lot more.  As pointed out though Hunt is a bit of an outlier anyway since his switching teams has nothing to do with his on the field play.

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18 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Faulk, Lynch, McCoy, Drake, Bell, Miller off the top of my head.  I'm sure there are a lot more.  As pointed out though Hunt is a bit of an outlier anyway since his switching teams has nothing to do with his on the field play.

Well done. I can think of more examples but the point was made. RB skills are pretty sticky regardless of the system. The more important question is does the player’s skills appear to be diminishing. 

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3 hours ago, Zyphros said:

 

I'm just trying to think of examples of RB's changing teams after a few years and becoming feature guys.  It's yet to be seen with DJ or Gurley, we kind of saw it with Ingram (and Bell, now that I think some more) even at a later age.  It does give me some hope since like you both mentioned his issues aren't injury/age related.  I'll take the under though, sounds like both of you take the over.  RB shelf life closes sooooo fast, that I constantly undervalue it, trying not to though.  I do think Hunt holds more trade value than those guys, I just don't believe he'll maintain it even if he signs as a lead guy.  

Demarco Murray is another one. Thomas Jones and Faulk little further back. Corey Dillon.

I’m sure there’s more.

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3 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Faulk, Lynch, McCoy, Drake, Bell, Miller off the top of my head.  I'm sure there are a lot more.  As pointed out though Hunt is a bit of an outlier anyway since his switching teams has nothing to do with his on the field play.

When did any of those names gain value though that's my point.  Hunt might be worth a late 1st now but will he actually gain value?  I doubt it.  Lynch didn't til a year later and he plays very differently, not just from Hunt but anyone.  Wasn't into fantasy at the time so can't really comment on Faulk, McCoy sustained going to Buffalo, Drake sustained but a year late (now) is probably the test year (late 1st about?  Don't see that going up at all), Bell declined (age/useage whatever you want to call it), Miller was on everyone's "hate" list and never more than that late 1st value as well.  And they all got replaced relatively quickly other than on rookie deals.  That's how these RB's decline so quick.  

So it really comes down to Lynch and McCoy who held more than late 1st value after moving on.  Wherever he goes in the future is likely to bring some high valued rookie along side him.  

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12 team PPR.  I am really not sure what to think of this offer.  I am one of the top 3 teams in the league and Prescott is my QB1.

Give: Prescott, Dissly

Receive: Slayton, Renfrow

 

I don't necessarily need WR help, but depth could be improved.  I feel the value is on the side I would receive, but Prescott would hurt my QB1.  I would start Big Ben if I make this trade.  Giving up Dissly doesn't hurt at all as I have Andrews, Gronk, Cook ahead of him.

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4 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

If you think the overall dynasty QB4 is worth a couple of magic beans, then I can’t help you. 

Thanks for the insight.

Prescott has finished QB4, QB15, QB9, QB6 the last 4 years.  You just ranked him the QB4 in dynasty with last year being his best year.  You also say you can't help me because two rookie WRs that showed out last year and I was thinking were worth more than Prescott in a start 1 QB league.  

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2 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said:

Renfrow value tanked after the draft. Does he have a low end QB1 to return to you?

I appreciate the response.  I value Qbs very low in start 1 QB which is why I may have wanted to take the deal.

Unfortunately, he has Wilson as his QB so think he is valued as more than backend QB1.  He has no other QB on his roster.

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4 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

I appreciate the response.  I value Qbs very low in start 1 QB which is why I may have wanted to take the deal.

Unfortunately, he has Wilson as his QB so think he is valued as more than backend QB1.  He has no other QB on his roster.

Ask for someone other than Renfrow and I think it’s a more fair deal.  Who are his other WRs?

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Just now, Boone22 said:

Ask for someone other than Renfrow and I think it’s a more fair deal.  Who are his other WRs?

Boone22 is right, as are the others. Renfrow would have to be a volume/slot guy, and there's too much competition for targets now to make him really viable. Slayton I really like, but that's also a tough situation. Dak is going to be at the helm of an offense that not only is going to score a ton, but given their defensive losses, might be on the field a ton. That might be something to think about. Dak's going to be in track meets. 

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44 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

When did any of those names gain value though that's my point.  Hunt might be worth a late 1st now but will he actually gain value?  I doubt it.  Lynch didn't til a year later and he plays very differently, not just from Hunt but anyone.  Wasn't into fantasy at the time so can't really comment on Faulk, McCoy sustained going to Buffalo, Drake sustained but a year late (now) is probably the test year (late 1st about?  Don't see that going up at all), Bell declined (age/useage whatever you want to call it), Miller was on everyone's "hate" list and never more than that late 1st value as well.  And they all got replaced relatively quickly other than on rookie deals.  That's how these RB's decline so quick.  

So it really comes down to Lynch and McCoy who held more than late 1st value after moving on.  Wherever he goes in the future is likely to bring some high valued rookie along side him.  

Good discussion, but I disagree with a lot here.

For starters I'm pretty sure you explicitly said multiple times this was a discussion about guys that got feature roles elsewhere, not guys whose value increased from changing teams.  I could be wrong on that.

Lynch "plays differently" so somehow that makes him immune to this list?  Weird stipulation.

Drake sustained value by changing teams?  In what world?  This guy was barely worth a 3rd round rookie pick prior to his move to Arizona.  I got him as a throw-in in FFPC and some people said that I shouldn't have even accepted him in the deal because the roster spot was more valuable.  His value has increased massively.

Again, big disagreement on the picture you're painting with Miller as well.  People only soured on him after he eventually started playing poorly in Houston.  Miller's startup ADP was 3.10 his last year in Miami, 2.9 after he signed with Houston.

Faulk went from really good in Indy to possibly the best fantasy RB in history in STL.

Bottom line there are plenty of guys that moved teams and got a featured role on their new team, and plenty that moved teams and whose production and/or value increased on their new team.  And that's before we consider that most of the other guys that moved teams were moved for talent or durability or on the field problems, none of which Hunt has shown.

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6 minutes ago, Boone22 said:

Ask for someone other than Renfrow and I think it’s a more fair deal.  Who are his other WRs?

His other WRs are: KA, Fountain, Desean Jackson, Renfrow, Jakobi Meyers, Slayton, Woods.

I traded him KA and Woods earlier this offseason for AJB so I think those were targets of his from me.  I lost value on this trade, but my starting WR is Tyreek Hill (only need to start 1 WR in this league since I can start 3 RB- Barkley, Elliott, Cook) and wanted a younger backup and feared KA would regress due to Rivers leaving.  This trade was done way before the starting QB was known on Chargers so I am happy where it is now with Taylor/Hubert as best option to start the year.

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4 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said:

you start 1 wr lol don't trade dak for a wr 3 and wr whatever

I can start up to 3, but in that league this year will be mostly 1.

Clayton seemed like a great buy low.  He may be WR3 now, but I see his arrow as pointing up.  

Renfrow I completely forgot they drafted 3 WRs so this doesn't signal much trust in their WR core.  This was a great point by whoever mentioned it.  

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I want to say I post things so I can get outside opinions that hopefully are of value.  I could very well be off and appreciate responses that are thoughtful regarding my own posts as well as players in general.  I will argue my point, but am listening to all sides if some thought was put in the post.  Thanks all for replies.

I thought Slayton was close to value to Prescott when I initially posted and looked at some ADP and I was wrong.  I think Clayton is undervalued, but that doesn't mean I need to pay the premium to get there unless I am the one seeking a player.  Renfrow I also saw had a nice season, but forgot about the many receivers drafted this year by LV.  That to me almost puts his value at nil until I see more.

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4 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Which side do you like?

team A: 

Daniel Jones, Hopkins, 2022 1.0x (mid-to-late)

-or-

team B: 

Kyler Murray, Diggs

And for the record I really love Murray, not real excited about Diggs. 

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4 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

And for the record I really love Murray, not real excited about Diggs. 

This was my take but it’s nice to get a 2nd opinion. I am team A. Team B keeps throwing offers my way. He seems to believe Murray worth a lot more than I think he’s worth. The drop-off from Hopkins to Diggs just ain’t worth it. 

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